So what exactly do *women* want out of relationships?

I haf just thought of some things I want out of a relationship - a man with a good sense of humour and a sharp mind.

(Oh hang on - he's already got those)

* = annoying

So, you're saying you'd like a man who will cheat on you with an actress from the 80s as long as said actress had a pubic infestation?

(also, does anyone else feel a peculiarly misplaced sense of guilt/do-they-think-I-hate-fun when they post an on-topic reply after several dozen banter-filled one-liners?)

(also, is that the most hyphens in one sentence ever?)

oh, wrong thread.

Weird thing is that I've just been offered sex by someone I thought I desperately wanted to have sex with ("you won't enjoy it, though" - thanks, most appetising offer, ever, Paranoid Android) and now I realise that what I really want with him is to lie in bed eating ice cream talking about conspiracy theories and listening to music. So even when you think you know what you want, you often really want something else.

And no, I never feel guilty. I like it when my threads get back on topic, it fills me with an enormous sense of relief.

You'e on to something here. During my last relationship I made a point of sharing and warning about my worst as well as my best qualities. Even after this he seemed willing to accept me, warts [1] and all. Any wonder that I fell for him, or that I was devastated when he got cold feet?

[1] Wanna start a pool as to how long it takes Dan to do something smutty with this?
;^}

(Okay, so who won the pool?)

Because that's all you actually care about enough to go after, second verse, same as the first!

OK, STOP, DO NOT ENCOURAGE ME, N!!! I AM TRYING NOT TO TALK ABOUT HILTON ANY MORE.

(oh also must have extensive 40s-50s country collection.)

Asking for floppy hair, a good nose and a large record collection is easily satisfied. Asking for a creative genius willing to recognise *my* genius and share his world with me... much harder!

Besides, I'm trying to keep myself from replying to Hilton's last whinge... oops, I mean, email because otherwise I'm going to shout at him and that way madness lies.

I think I should take him up on the shag, write the article but have it be rubbish and then of course it will be rejected and I don't have to worry about sullying my journalistic reputation while sullying my bedsheets. Ha ha! Everybody wins!

I don't have a problem with writing about music (or any art) you have a personal stake or emotional interest in... I mean, WHY write about art if it's not affecting you on a personal level? But I think you should be honest about it if you are. The only way I could write this article would be to say "Hilton's band represent everything that I love about music, and because of this, I love Hilton, and I cannot separate the two because the feelings are so tied together, but here are the feelings, here is why I love Hilton, and here is why you should love his music." And I don't want to write that article, and I feel almost like he's taking advantage of my feelings about him for asking.

:-(

Where the hell are my recconciliations?

(awwww)

(*vomits*)

17.35 - someone who can do good back-rub.

Same question, real answers now, maybe? Please?

(from womens, not from men trying to answer for their present/past/imaginary womens)

someone 2 shoot burglars

also kill cockroaches

^^ very important skillz for suitors and partners imo.

I asked this question of a (very happily) married friend while we were both drunk at a party - well, not exactly phrased like this. But more "except for sex, why exactly does one need a man?"

She thought quite intensely for several minutes, and eventually drunkenly shrugged and suggested "they're... um... warm?"

Bug removal would be a kind of good bonus, tho.

I think I'd want the same things from a relationship whether my partner was a male or a female: to trust and be trusted, to respect and be respected, to communicate freely on intimate or public matters, to feel wanted, to feel valued, to have someone to give to and take from and have that person also give to and take from me, to have someone to share things with, to have someone to team up with for the long haul. Having someone taller who can reach the upper shelves without a ladder is nice, but that's a side benefit.

kate, it seems like you have answered this questions at length in past months on a variety of threads via your declaration that you don't want someone around for the sex bc it is icky, you want the support. that's a big part of why i enjoy a relationship. yes, you can get support from your friends, but from a partner, it is a much deeper thing. like, yeah, i can do it all on my own and i don't necessarily need another person there to lift me up/egg me on, but it sure is nice and helps you feel a little more balanced. and yeah, trust, dependability, openness, etc. as well. and fun! (v v important!)

lol "this questions" -- oops.

aw jaq, awesome and otm as always

what tza said - as well as: plumbing expertise and help opening jars.

i am really good at opening jars

why bc i have giant hands lol

i'm generally really good at opening jars because i have strong wrists, but sometimes it just takes two people to do it.

secret jar opening weapon in our household, used by men and women

http://www.majesticwaterfowl.org/images/rubber%20gloves%20tri%20color.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Seinfeld_s8e3.jpg

ewww what

Plumbing\jar opening\bug disposal\cat vom cleanup are all split pretty equally at our place. Neither of us likes to deal with car issues (washing, checking tire pressure, oil changes) and we both slept soundly through a burglary. We should hire an automotively capable bodyguard.

i like plumbing and amateur electrical work bzzzzzt

The problem is that if I could honestly answer the original question, I'd probably have a boyfriend.

i am super great at checking tire pressure!

the real secret weapon for jar opening is to bang it with a metal spoon to create a dent, breaking the seal. or pry it a little with a bottle opener. u will never need rubber gloves or a man again

I usually just whack the bottom of the jar really hard which usually breaks the seal too.

I give recalcitrant lids a sharp tap on the countertop. Works every time.

what do women want out of jars

*women*

pickles :))))

My mom is phobic, so I was raised as a bug killer.

Although I have a strong grip and use most of those methods, some jars resist all, at which point I just hold the thing up and go 'Man!' until one opens the damned thing.

pickles.

lolxpst

Things that are the things that are awesome in relationship(s):

Funny shared collection of in-jokes
Sometimes they do chores
Walking around town w/a guy feels safer even though it may not be, objectively
Someone to give things to (like drawings, things I knit, extra cookies, things you find at stores, etc.) (sometimes they give or share things too)
They do boring errands with you
They abate loneliness a good portion of the time
If you lose your job, you are not SOL bcz they can help support you (& vice versa)
When you are sick you don't have to go around making your own soup & theraflu & cleaning out yr own barf bucket bcz they will do these things for you
You can make fun of your parents & family w/them

I am the bug smasher at my house btw

Funny shared collection of in-jokes

the best! they become almost like a secret twin language.

i am also really good at jars. strong independent woman yup

My mom especially hates daddy longlegs: 'LOOK AT IT IN THE CORNER DOING PUSH-UPS! GETITGETITGETIT!'

i'm also the bug smasher in our household ... except for bees, which scare the shit out of me ... my better half is generally a "catch and release" kinda guy except for small flies, to which he shows no mercy.

I am chief bug smasher/rescuer, jar-opener, and I can look after my own car. Having someone around just generally who I don't mind just being generally around all the time is pretty good in itself though. We laugh at the same things (each other, mostly), we're heading through life in roughly the same direction, we like each other a lot. Oh, and cuddles. Cuddles are good.

I have a good practical knowledge of how to do lots of things but it's nice to be able to be like, 'hey will you hook up this console' or something & they do it happily.

I know I say this a lot, but I think the thing I miss the most about dating is having someone to fall asleep with/on/against/pick your preposition. Honestly.

nothing makes me feel as useful or confident in my value in the world as when a girl asks me to open a jar.

True, it is not the same when you fall asleep against random strangers on the bus. (xpost)

i just like to have something to lol at because i can do everything else myself tbh

help hauling heavy bulky stuff is definitely a plus ...

Laurel otm. There's just something so comforting against having that bulk/weight next to/against you. Like a reinforcement of your partners in crime status.

definitely - well, except when the weather is really hot and gross

if that were all, though, a dog would do.

It's true. When I'm considering whether I find someone attractive, the question is nothing rude or TMI, it is merely "Do I want to put my face in the crook of that neck and fall asleep there?"

xp Don't like dogs. Too furry.

the conclusion i'm drawing is that harbl wants nothing out of a relationship

this thread is quite enlightening!

harbl=wants pickles

harbl doesn't want to shoot burglars alone!

lol jergins

i now know that my "bulk" and ability to perform manual tasks are real selling points

Never underestimate the power of bulkiness.

"girl, i'll fix your dvd player, kill a spider, and then let u put ur head on my shoulder."

seriously, i can do that!

i think it's a good idea for all you single men out there to always carry a hard to open jar with you, in case you happen to run into a lady who catches your eye

they want the damn toilet seat down

also i want someone to cook for/with. i love doing things like cooking but the payoff is kind of lame when you slave for hours and then sit down to dine alone.

my bf foiled a burglar once, while we were sleeping at about 1am:

he had cut a stuffed bear in half and inserted the sound box/motion sensor assembly from one of those cheap halloween ghosts that go "weee-oooo" when they detect motion nearby - into the top half of the stuffed bear and left it in the middle of the living room floor. The would-be burglar kicked it, it went "weee-oooo weeee-oooo" and the guy ran out and didn't take anything.

Does the youtubes still automatically embed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPVIIICvN48&feature=PlayList&p=770E33F62F864787&index=46

tza, so otm. My first husband felt it was an imposition to have to stop whatever he was doing to eat and didn't really enjoy food. I'm still amazed we lasted 18 years together.

sarahel your bf sounds rad!

i feel that way sometimes ;_; xp

i guess a sub note to that is 'someone not afraid to try new things, including new flavors!' now it's starting to sound so cliché, though. i also like long walks on the beach and moonlit rowboat trips.

also - someone to have half-serious ridiculous arguments about things -- I think we spent a good 25 minutes debating the potential source of the crusty punk attire worn by the cannibals in "Doomsday."

So many great answers already here. Someone to give things to, someone to abate loneliness esp at weekends are most otm.

also i want someone to cook for/with. i love doing things like cooking but the payoff is kind of lame when you slave for hours and then sit down to dine alone.

― tehresa, Friday, September 11, 2009 2:05 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

This is so true. Cooking for one is really sort of boring and awful.

on the plus side, when you screw up, you don't have to feel as bad for making someone else eat it.

That is definitely true.

I like cooking for myself -- though cooking for parties and groups of people can be fun, too. My situation is that my better half is a vegetarian, so when I cook for myself I can do more with meat and fish, as opposed to making things where it's convenient to cook the meat/fish separately. There are times when I wish he wasn't vegetarian, but he's been one for over half his life at this point, and that's not going to change. Plus, I admire his self-discipline in adhering to it, and other things. He's way more self-disciplined than I am.

my bf foiled a burglar once, while we were sleeping at about 1am:

he had cut a stuffed bear in half and inserted the sound box/motion sensor assembly from one of those cheap halloween ghosts that go "weee-oooo" when they detect motion nearby - into the top half of the stuffed bear and left it in the middle of the living room floor. The would-be burglar kicked it, it went "weee-oooo weeee-oooo" and the guy ran out and didn't take anything.

― 51 active users (sarahel), Friday, September 11, 2009 8:06 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

Whoah, your boyfriend is MacGyver! Seriously awesome.

'friends laughed at me when I put a half-bear in the middle of the room and called it a burglar alarm, but my woman, she understands me'

he didn't intend it as an alarm in any way ... it was a party decoration that was left lying in the middle of the floor - partly because we aren't the tidiest people and partly because it was entertaining when we'd inadvertently set the thing off.

shh, let us build a myth

he also has this funny way of saying "ghosts" where his voice will dramatically go up in pitch ...it was one of those cute and goofy couple in-jokes.

this in-joke later evolved (after the death of the teddy bear ghost alarm) to replacing the word "ghosts" with "goats" ... as in "it's haunted by (dramatic pitch shift) goats?"

This opening jars thing explains why several girls have commented on how freakishly strong my hands are.

This has turned into such a thread of niceness, it really pleases me.

(I can open mine own jars, tho. I whack them against the floor.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b-dQWpOqb0

It's true about the jar opening. I'm sure most of us can handle pretty much all the necessary daily activities on our own, or through some ingenious solution we've already devised. The point isn't that I ask men to open jars because I need them to, or even because it makes THEM feel good and needed or confirms that I'm helpless and needy...but I can ask them to do it because I like to watch them open the jar because it fulfills MY image of a harmless, helpful, appealing facet of masculinity, and it's cute.

i never need to whack my jars and only occasionally cheat with the can opener pop trick. i am strong. ph34r me.

Though I have come to realise that what I really want in this world is a boyfriend who makes me mixtapes. (and to whom to give mixtapes to.)

mixtapes are so fucking awesome and classic for all time

If the problem w a stuck lid is the original seal, I whack. If the problem is that something has glued the lid on, I run it under hot water. My dad, the original jar opener in my childhood life, pointed out that metal has a greater expansion coefficient and can therefore be trusted to expand more than glass when subjected to the same heat source.

The Girvan Gang's House of Geek.

I am a bad person. I like besting boys in the jar-opening stakes. I like being able to open jars they can't and making them feel dumb.

But I realised this evening as I was talking to a boy (a friend boy, not a potential date boy or anything like that, he works in a record shop which is the most awesome kind of boy to know) that I have a bad habit of constantly trying to tell boys things. And boys seem to far more enjoy telling other people things than being told. I just like proving I'm clever. Like, I expect to get a cookie for it or something. But an ex boyfriend got annoyed with me for shouting out the conspiracies while watching a silly conspiracy movie - he said "I know you're clever, now just be quiet and let me watch it and figure it out myself, OK?"

I felt very whacked on the nose with a rolled up piece of newspaper. :-(

i like it when boys teach me things. not in a condescending way, but in a way that allows me to learn something outside my normal scope that i probably wouldn't have learned had i not known said person.

I have a bad habit of constantly trying to tell boys things. And boys seem to far more enjoy telling other people things than being told. I just like proving I'm clever. Like, I expect to get a cookie for it or something.

I have the same problem. I like the fact that my better half knows about a lot of things I don't, which prevents me from doing this too much.

I like when anyone teaches me things that allow me to learn stuff.

i like it when boys teach me things. not in a condescending way, but in a way that allows me to learn something outside my normal scope that i probably wouldn't have learned had i not known said person.

yes yes yes! See, I really like this lots. So I assume that boys would want to be told/taught interesting things, too. but their fragile little jar-opening egos get threatened.

am just going to become a mad old cat lady without the cats, and get a blow-up doll and put the Erol Alkan mask on it and play his mixtapes and pretend he is making them for me, yes yes, ha ha ha. :-P

So I assume that boys would want to be told/taught interesting things, too. but their fragile little jar-opening egos get threatened.

not all of them ...

Or maybe the key is to find an boy who knows different things from you?

Ailsa beat me to it. Actually I contemplated making that post and then got distracted by a shiny object/blinking tab elsewhere.

Or maybe the key is to find an boy who knows different things from you?

it worked for me. He knows a lot about visual art and weird facts about animals.

yeah, i like that balance. if someone knows all the same things as i do, i end up feeling threatened or like i don't know enough or that it's always some sort of feeling of inferiority. which is not to say, you can not have similar interests and enjoy similar things, but i find it a lot more interesting when your respective specialized interests differ.

i don't feel inferior or threatened, but it often becomes this game of oneupsmanship, though not all the time. sometimes it's just fun.

and girls just wanna have fun

most frustrating thing about my gf (aside from some responsibility issue which don't directly effect me) is that we don't share much in the way of common cultural interests. I could never make a mixtape for her, and she doesn't like the art or movies I'm interested in. I hate going to the clubs she wants to go to, can't make it through ultra-violent horror movies she loves, etc..

ok, that's a better way of putting it, oneupmanship. that can be super fun, but i don't know that i'd want it all the time. i'd feel like i was dating my sister.
xpost

I should have gone out with the horticulturalist after all. Oh, if only I hadn't been so insane earlier this year. Oh well.

Asking for floppy hair, a good nose and a large record collection is easily satisfied.

― kate, Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:37 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

See, I knew much better what I wanted in 2003. Now I'll just have to make the erolalkansexdollMP3player.

xp que: and have guys to run down to the store to buy the party favors ...or gallons of orange juice when you're sick

I could never make a mixtape for her, and she doesn't like the art or movies I'm interested in. I hate going to the clubs she wants to go to, can't make it through ultra-violent horror movies she loves, etc..

I honestly can't imagine being interested in someone with whom I didn't at least share SOME (if not a lot) of these things. I just don't see what we'd end up doing or talking about 1/2 the time.

Aside from the bug squashing, jar opening stuff mentioned earlier men smell good (well, some of them) which is nice too.

girls just wanna have fun, party favors and orange juice

and mixtapes. Don't forget the mixtapes.

some party favors ... I really don't want the kind that takes 9 months to gestate.

I found out that it is important for my partner to be interested in much of the same stuff I am, but not for the same reasons. Like cooking: I like the fiddly technical science parts of it and the magical whoa-look-what-I-made results part; he likes the being taken care of aspects and the learning the simple no-fail crowd-pleaser recipe aspect of it. Like music: he likes knowing all the background and trivial and details of production; I like more of the music theory/performance/emotional manipulation/math aspects, and singing in the car. Etc.

hmm ... I think in some ways it's the opposite for me: it's important for my partner to be interested in the same stuff for the same reasons, or different things for the same reasons.

i see what jaq means. like, hi, i spent a good portion of my life as a musician, and continue to work in the music/arts, but i am not good at ilm/rock cricket kind of music stuff. one of my favorite things about being involved with music-loving dudez is gaining access to their music libraries/knowledge, etc. i always end up finding new things i love but was too lazy to 'look for' before.

It's an interesting one. I am sure that I could be with someone who had wildly different taste (and thinking about it I def have been) but I'd just have to at least respect that person's taste or appreciate it on some level for things to work. Also, I think nearly all my relationships have started with mixtapes/CDs or at least involved them very early on. lol.

I think I would find that frustrating. I think I'd rather be with someone who was interested in different stuff, but for the *same* reasons.

It is weird and frustrating, and I've made sure to be up front with "this is who I am" (someone who listens to weird music, spends too much money on cameras, etc..) and we try to accommodate (she's become a huge fan of the Old 97's, I'll dress up for Halloween, which I never did before). But I can't see this as a forever-relationship because of our differences.
We get along really well otherwise, though.

Which is obviously the most important thing. I guess I'm just thinking that shared interests is usually what brings people together in the first place at least on some level or at least that has been my experience.

I once broke up with someone mainly because he was a little too into jazz and Phish for my taste. OK, not really but when he said, "Wow, I never thought I would end up making out with someone wearing a Pixies shirt!" I sorta knew it wasn't going to work. He was cute and very nice but we just didn't like enough of the same stuff/activities etc. for it to continue I guess.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that one of the things I like in a relationship is to learn about and be exposed to new things, and that process is more enjoyable when my partner presents it to me in a way that interests me. Before we got together, I knew very little about art and was kinda intimidated by it. He probably wouldn't have done much to interest me in it if he presented it to me as, "this is very pretty." or "this is a very important work." or some very technical explanation. We're both interested in cultural products that not only are engaging on a surface level, but also in analyzing how they work on an aesthetic level, historical significance, relationships to other works, etc.

xp - at the beginning of our relationship I made him copies of a live Throbbing Gristle bootleg and the x-ray spex CD, both of which he really liked.

I agree with what sarahel said regarding presentation. I'm not against liking different things but I think if you actively dislike what the other person is into then it is probably bound to fail.

For instance, Phish.

Exactly.

Steely Dan on repeat.

lol, ENBB made out with gabbneb

LOL. After Laurel's Phish thing I almost posted something along the lines of, "See, that's probably why things never would have worked between Neb and I" but then realized that I included the fact that make out boy was both CUTE and NICE so figured that would eliminate any such confusion.

I didn't actively dislike Steely Dan ... I just thought they were kinda dull ... the "on repeat" part drove me crazy. I would then go on to date a guy who was even more into listening to the same songs and albums over and over again, but they were all things I liked.

i know this is gonna get me suggest banned like all hell, but i do not understand the love for steely dan, at all

People love Steely Dan because they are awesome.

If this were myspace Mr. Que, I'd give you two kudos for that.

HI DERE speaks the truth.

what album does one listen to if one was to listen to an awesome bunch of steely dan

Actively disliking something that is really important to your partner is one of those things that... well, I suppose it depends how you handle it, but if it causes you to lose respect for your partner, then that's never going to work.

I think Sarahel is very OTM about the way you present unfamiliar stuff that you love to each other being very important. Doing it in a way that piques the interest of yr partner - that example of discovering artwork, that's totally what I mean about being into different stuff for the same reasons.

i can get down w/ some steely dan, but i'm not a die hard fan or anything. i think most ppl lately like them because it's trendy/ironic?

cocaine, huh

*kidding*

i just remember a few years ago ppl being all 'lol yacht rock!' and growing funny mustaches.

I mean, if someone just said to me "I hate Hawkwind" well, I'd be a bit sad coz I love them, but I wouldn't necessarily write them off, just either 1) see if I could educate them a bit more or 2) just not play them in his presence if I couldn't.

However, if someone said "Hawkwind suck big hairy moosecock and all their fans are stinking hippie shite!" then there's no way I could date them because I wouldn't want to date someone who thought that negatively about a group that included me - therefore must think negatively about me.

btw - I totally do the listening to stuff repeatedly thing but usually on headphones if there is someone else around since I realize that it would annoy a lot of ppl.

I'm alone a lot of the time, so when I play "De Futura" or songs I'm trying to figure out the drum parts to over and over it bothers no one.

I kind of said some not-so-nice things about Amy Grant but my wife still married me! I think we both decided our feelings towards each other were stronger than our feelings towards Amy Grant.

Steely Dan albums should move to another thread but I'll quickly say that if you can't find awesomeness in Aja, Gaucho or The Royal Scam then you're not going to like Steely Dan. (I am restricting myself to the three albums of theirs I actually own; Can't Buy A Thrill and Katy Lied are also awesome but I haven't heard either in about 25 years.)

If you just want a single album to try, you could do a lot worse than Katy Lied, which comes square in the middle of their career (or at least the original 1972-80 phase) -- it's a little smoother than some of the early rock stuff but not as offputting, perhaps, as the slick jazz sound on the later albums. (NB: I like pretty much everything the band's done, but I can see how someone might run away from them upon hearing a song like "Aja").

― jaymc, Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:06 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thanks dudes

I gave my bf shit about owning a King Diamond album, and he recoiled at the presence of Patsy Cline's Greatest Hits but these are the atypical items in our respective collections ... though for the most part, he doesn't have really strong preferences and enthusiasms about music, so when he hates something, it's really entertaining to watch. I will occasionally play him things that I think are awful to see him react ...I think the last one was Brokencyde.

great relationship point^^^

bringing up something horrible or something that you like that you KNOW will disrupt your partner's life

(a jar opener that my weak wrists lurve--http://www.amazon.com/Amco-Swing-711BK-Comfort-Opener/dp/B000HMC5JA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1252702992&sr=8-3)

lol I wrote a big post about steely dan in this thread a while ago and deleted it

we bond over the awfulness ... it's kinda the same impulse that leads you to call the other person into the room when there's a really bad smell or some gross bug.

mr. que maybe start w/ countdown to ecstasy because it is probably the easiest one to get into if you do not have smooth attuned ears yet

Whoah, your boyfriend is MacGyver! Seriously awesome.

the thing is, we actually know a guy who is sort of a real life MacGyver. This guy repaired a damaged speaker with a fuse from a 70s Volkswagen and stopped his car from overheating on his honeymoon with crushed up pinecones.

My girlfriend owns Phish and Ani DiFranco CDs, but since she doesn't really care about music as much as I do, she never even plays them; they're mostly just relics from college. When we first met, I worried that she wasn't artsy/creative enough -- she's way more of a career-oriented/business-minded person than I've ever been -- but I think we've found enough other shared interests: politics, restaurants, general outlooks on life. And more than that, I think we respect our differences, too: I think it's awesome that she's passionate about international non-profit work, for instance, even if it's not something that sparks my fire.

I should note, too, that it's not like we never have anything in common music-wise: in fact, a lot of times I'll play music around the apartment that she never would've heard about on her own but she ends up liking anyway (like the Knux or Santogold or Herbert), and then we can enjoy those artists together.

OK maybe that wasn't a great example but it was college and the guy in question didn't just own a Phish CD or two, he was a Phish person. You know what I mean.

I own several Ani DiFranco CDs that are relics from college but still get played on occasion. ha.

xp - oh yes I do! I am so sorry, ENBB.

ha thanks. lol college. iirc he had good pot and was a pretty good kisser so it wasn't ALL bad.

mr. steely dan on repeat was good in bed and witty and clever and drew good cartoons.

sarahel yr bf is more like accidental mcguyver? this would make a good lebowskiesque movie btw

2x xpost: lol college priorities

i'm trying to think of other examples of his accidental mcguyver-ness ... there have been a few.

girls just wanna have fun, party favors, orange juice and accidental McGuyverness

xp Ha, Erica, there was a Ani concert on PBS the other day, and my girlfriend did in fact watch most of it. It's cool. I'm probably also way less judgmental about people's music tastes as I would've been 10 years ago, when I screamed at my mom for feeding into capitalist, mass-market hegemony because she bought a Garth Brooks CD.

Your obnoxious self-righteous teenage self was otm.

LOL @ Garth Brooks rant.

To be fair I probably would have watched too if mainly out of nostalgia. One of my finer moments in life includes crying at an Ani concert because I was so damn *moved*. lol. I did make out with a pretty hot girl at another Ani show though so there is that. Yes, I've been to more than one Ani DiFranco concert - now you know the truth.

xp Dan: also a guy that can hold up his end of the photocopier he brought home that never worked and sat in the hallway for eight years before making its way downstairs to the dumpster.

Now my mom and I bond over Miranda Lambert, lol.

actually am seriously still RL lolling @ ripped-in-half teddy bear w/ disembodied ghost sensor inside randomly lying in middle of living room floor catching burglar btw

it was covered in tool dip, so it looked like it was coated with black tar ...

mad genius

Jaq got this nailed down within a couple of replies of the revive. Now its just pleasant nattering, afaics.

Never underestimate the power of bulkiness.

Now if I could only meet someone for whom my bulkiness is not a force of repulsion.