I HATE MY JOB

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It's official.

I got told off this afternoon for spending too much time on the internet. Why? because at 1:59, when I was still officially on lunch, my boss came over and handed me some piece of paper which had to be done "immediately". When he came back, at about 2:05, and I was still finishing up my email, he took me in the corridor and threatened me with discplinary action. I burst into tears, ran outside and spent the next 20 minutes crying in the park at the thought that the only worse than my crappy job was being fired and being unemployed again.

I've spent too long freelancing. I've got too used to the idea that I should have "me-time" and that work will occur when that me-time is done. I've got too used to the idea that it doesn't matter WHEN work gets done so long as it GETS done. I CAN NOT COPE with people hanging over my desk, watching over my shoulder and monitoring my every move to make sure I'm not Having Fun.

YOU DO NOT PAY ME ENOUGH FOR MY COMPLETE ATTENTION ALL DAY LONG YOU FUCKING BASTARDS!!!

I hate that place. I just want you to know that if I'm in a snippy mood between certain hours of the day, that is why.

kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

ahh the corporate world. welcome....

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

at least you gots a job.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

oh by the way kate, i randomly met your friend Charlie in Sydney the other night.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)

at least you gots a job.

fuck that, i DONT have a job right now and i appear to be happier than two thirds of the people who do in this world. i dont want A job, i want THE job, the one thats gonna take me into my 30s relatively happy and with a good degree of comfort, opportunities and prospective development, a foxy receptionist wouldnt go amiss either. i am doing this and that to try and get this job but i am lazy and slack and just not quite doing enough but i like to think i'll get there sooner rather than later. can someone kick my arse now please?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

The only thing about not having a job that truly sucks right now -- because the only thing resembling an ambition I have is someday finishing the Great Novel and seeing if anyone likes it -- is being terminally short of cash.

I think that must be a bad attitude, though.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry, kate. I will eat some chocolate candy in your honor (you may not like Hershey's almond kisses that much, but it's the thought, right?).
Getting scolded at work is so completely horrible because you have to just sit there and take it (or don't and be fired or just quit). You can hardly even try to defend your actions without coming off as overly defensive.
I am a complete believer in the need for me time, even during work. I don't really think anyone could concentrate completely on work and do a good job for 8 hours with only a lunch break.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Why? because at 1:59, when I was still officially on lunch, my boss came over and handed me some piece of paper which had to be done "immediately". When he came back, at about 2:05, and I was still finishing up my email, he took me in the corridor and threatened me with discplinary action. I burst into tears, ran outside and spent the next 20 minutes crying in the park at the thought that the only worse than my crappy job was being fired and being unemployed again.

Obviously your boss is a brilliant manager and absolute tops at increasing his workers' productivity.

Sorry kate.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry to hear this kate.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Coming from a managers standpoint Kate, I probably would have said something to you too. Not so much in the asshole way your boss did. if I ask my employees to do something for me that I need right away and come back to see them f-ing off, I say something. And work really isn't the place for me-time, save that for when you get home. Work is work, it sucks. But what are you going to do. This said, I'll take somemore me time and play on ILX. Thing is, if my boss asks me to do something, you bet your ass its done though. I sound like such an asshole, but im really not...i promise. Im just grouchy from not smoking. Hey, you shouldn't be reading this anyways! Get to work!

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Kate, that's the thing - if they say they need it urgently and five minutes later you're still fucking around on email, you can't blame them for getting annoyed. You can blame them if they act like total dicks about it, but they're going to get annoyed. The thing is though that you totally admit that up in your original post anyway, that you got too used to freelancing - the idea that it doesn't matter WHEN something gets done is kind of totally bunk because if you need something on deadline or quickly on an emergency basis, then it doesn't matter if you get it done perfectly in three hours - it's still way too late.

Just calm down, don't cry, don't let it get to you. It's how it is. You can fuck around and do things, but NOT when someone says to you "I need this right now".

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Well if it's so "urgent and key" that it gets done, why treat kate in a way that ensures she won't do it? That's what seems lame to me.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing is...

1) By the time he came back over, I agreed, yes, I was out of order, and I would do it NOW NOW NOW. It took THREE TIMES AS LONG to take me outside and reprimand me than I wasted finishing my email.

2) As it turned out, what he asked me to do was NOT so urgent. He wanted me to look through over 100 booked invoices for a query invoice which HE HAD CLEARLY LOST. It was fucking busywork, like everything else I'd been doing all day.

3) His excuse for why I shouldn't be on email was "Oh, I don't care if you do it, but the OTHER BOSSES will notice" - i.e. that HE will look bad. You know what? I HAVE NOTHING TO DO. This is his responsibility as boss, not my responsibility as new, underling employee.

4) The way that he treated me, i.e. like a child who needed to be repremanded, has now made me surly, unproductive, and it has made me resolve to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. Really productive.

They do not pay me enough for the amount of work that they expect. This is the fundamental root of the problem. They have hired a data entry operator, I will do the job of a data entry operator, and no more.

kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

as regards 1), the idea is that while it's always quicker for any given task to just let it slide, taking saome time now may save many minutes in the future. Unless he's misjudged how you take a dressing-down (and he has).

For 2) you should maybe suggest that making random unimportant things seem urgent to keep you on your toes will just reduce the impact when something actually urgent comes through. The boy who cried wolf and so on. Though you should check beforehand that he shares your view on how urgent it actually was.

3) is why office structure is the curse of the devil and anyone who thinks it a natural arrangement should DIE DIE DIE. see also The Office.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I cannot work in an office. I should just accept this and stop trying.

kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I just had my last day at work last Saturday. ha. So long you bastards. I neerv disliked my co-workers, or even my bosses. but the "people upstairs' were real fools.I think I should go into management, because someone who is nice and generally caring about people should do that job, not the power hungry authority loving dicks that do now.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

You can work in an office, you just have to decide if you want to.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I should go into management, because someone who is nice and generally caring about people should do that job, not the power hungry authority loving dicks that do now.

and that is exactly why people who are nice and generally care about people are never managers, at least for not that long anyways.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

does anyone WANT to work in an office? its hard to think of a job that would pay the same kind of money but offer a more desirable working environment alas...

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I could work in a damp, dark cave with blind crickets and crawdads. Office "environment" doesn't bother me so much as annoying fucking people who try their best to make my worklife miserable.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't mind my office job that much, the people are nice, etc., etc. But I wish it was a closed office, more cubicle-y, so people couldn't see what I'm doing. And I don't want to have to talk to people. The only environment that really sounds better is working from home, but I doubt I'd actually do anything. I can't imagine doing retail because I don't think I could stand all day. I'm lazy.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)

My office is filled with people who LOVE THEIR JOBS!!! This makes it even more insufferable. They started their own company, and it's theirs so they have this sense of ownership and dedication that I DO NOT HAVE!!!

But the only thing worse than the thought of being trapped in that place, is the thought that I could be fired. It's such a "frying pan or fire" damned if you do damned if you don't situation that it makes me burst into tears with the powerlessness of it all.

Maybe I could talk to them about some sort of situation where I temp or freelance - they call me in when they have work, pay me an hourly work, I don't fuck around, and then when it's done I GO HOME AND LIVE MY OWN LIFE.

It's getting worse cause they've bought more desks but no more space, so we're even MORE on top of each other now.

kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I work in an office, and my bosses are fine. All good people who don't want to upset anyone or piss them off, and treat their staff as intelligent adults. In turn, we act as responsible professionals, and everyone is happy. No one shouts if you check your email or surf when you feel like it. No one counts our hours or decides when we take lunch (I assume that all this would change if we were taking the piss). Pretty much all of my colleagues are clever, knowledgeable, helpful, skilled people who don't need prodding all the time.

I do realise that I'm very lucky there - I have worked in several offices before, and this is the first time I could say much of this, let alone all of it. I don't say this to try to claim offices are great, as they generally aren't, but just to point out that they can be okay. (And by the way, I'm posting this from home.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

My only point is that neither of them are 100% right and that it's something Kate will have to be used to to work in that environment. It takes years of busting your ass to get to the level where I am, where I can tell my boss to fuck off and yell at him and get into screaming matches with him and no one says anything. The downside to being the "irreplaceable spark plug" versus the quiet one who takes all the manager's shit, however, is that you DON'T EVER GO ANYWHERE.

I think it's a total myth, by the way, that nice people cannot be managers. "Mean" is not the necessary skillset, and taking Kate specially aside is just plain stupid. He's not a very good manager - a good manager would've had Kate do it immediately, then waited til she was done to tell her off, once she brought the paperwork to his office (sorry Kate, not to beat on you or anything, you're the only example here though).

If it makes you feel any better, Kate, at least you've got lots of enthusiastic job lovers there. Contrary to what you might think, it does seem to help you get more used to the situation. You could be here, where everyone actively loathes their lot in life and says things out loud like "As soon as the job market picks up at all, I'm walking out, without even notice". In my experience it puts you more on edge...

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

It makes me feel comfortable if everyone around me hates their job, like I'm normal or something.

If everyone LOVES LOVES LOVES their job, it makes me feel like a freaking mutant for not being grateful for working there.

I know that it's not an ideal situation. Every day that I am there is just another kick in the teeth remembeing that I have given up £10K in pay and seven years of experience JUST TO HAVE A PAYCHECK. So it is really hard to feel enthuasiastic about it to start with. :-(

kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's a total myth, by the way, that nice people cannot be managers.

I'm not saying that they can't be, just they don't tend to last as long. I used to love my job until last June, when my boss in Chicago was basically let go because of politics/not wanting to move to Charlotte or NYC. My new boss is a total and udder dud, and has NO ABILITY to motivate people, to understand their motivations, and to figure out what it is she should actually do. Since I moved to NYC in October, only 2 of the 6 people who were here pre-my new boss are still here (and that includes me).

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I think for most workers its pretty much accepted that the work is done for the fruit of the labours, not because it is enjoyable in and of itself. I wish we lived ina village -like society werepeople could becobblers and taylors and such and not " Claims Service representatives" or " telephone sanitation research assistants"

Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I'm going to end up working in an office eventually. I'll put it off as long as I can, all the time hoping someone might be foolish enough to pay me money to be an arty-farty, lazy, procrastinating genius...

I put that on my last job application, don't ya know.

(NOT really...)

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, you do need to give yourself some time to get used to it, adjust to the schedule and the people, figure out when/how long you can goof off, etc. Don't give up just yet.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I refuse to grow up into a world like this!

kate, have hope...someday you will be free....

Maria (Maria), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

i feel your pain.
where i work, they have an "internet top 50 abusers list" that gets emailed to all managers weekly. this is reason #1 why i do not post that often to ILX...or post one liners.
i could tell you some stories about that.
you may want to keep in mind, that maybe you got chewed out because they have been tracking ALL your time spent online. not to make you feel paranoid or anything. ive been working here for two years and its been hellish since day one. i listen to music all day, this is the only good thing about it. can you do this? spending me-time on the internet can be a hard habit to shake. i often have a copy of mojo or an old paperback for stealth me-time.

kephm, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

kate it would help if you had an idea of a job you DID want to do rather than just limiting it to 'hellish office job' and 'nothing' - looking at it that way its no wonder you're depressed! some people are depressed when they dont know what they want to do in life but attempting to find out at least provides you with a short-term goal that you can achieve by talking to career-guidance types, friends who know you and what you're good at, forums etc.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

What fucks me off the most is the fucking Sys Admin, who sits behind me, spends ALL DAY LONG just downloading MP3's. I was much better as a Sys Admin. Then I was important enough that other people HAD to wait until I was done with my email. Cause if they didn't, BAD THINGS would happen to their computers.

kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

i could never ever be a manager. or, more accurately, i would be a terrible on. my manager at the moment is as good as you can get, hes very flexible and i'm lucky, but he has his pressures from above to make things a certain way, and he walks a bit of a tightrope. the 6 of us try and make things as easy for him as possible, so that it works the other way for us too.

if i were a manager i would grant any request (yo g, can i have 5 months off to go travelling round spain? yeah, sure, take 6!). i would lose my job within 2 weeks when my boss would say "gareth, where are all your staff?"

i'm glad not to have the responsibility!

gareth (gareth), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i bitched about my last 'job' even tho my boss was a friend a year younger than me who was highly supportive and sympathetic (most of the time) and tended to take my side against the company directors who were a little less supportive and sympathetic to me. the pay was okay but i hated the location and i was very isolated which got tiresome even though i'm pretty cool with being left alone for long periods of time. the work itself was initally creative and challenging but did get mundane eventually. i guess i didnt know i was born though eh?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Its very funny that during the Golden Age of the internet bosses didn't realize that having internet access at work might be somewhat productivity reducing. And then when we got used to it they took it away. That is like telling the barbers they can't talk to each other or listen to the radio. Jobs suck;internet helps. They must learn this formula. Jobs suck;internet helps. Jobs suck;internet helps. Jobs suck;internet helps. Jobs suck;internet helps.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Some employers just never realise the maxim that a happy employee = a PRODUCTIVE employee.

kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Which is funny because even Mr. Burns recognized that!

"Let them have their TARTAR SAUCE!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

kate, i know what you mean and i think my freelancing wk left me ill-equipped to handle working for the government and being bored and watched and unable to do anything to entertain myself. i used to be able to walk around town and plug my laptop at different places depending on my mood. i have a comparatively nice boss but it still sucks - and i'm literally earning 1/2 of what i was. if i was staying in this country any longer i'd quit this job and go back to wk at my own pace. you should freelance again. but the terror is that the wk will dry up....

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure how bad things are in the UK now but they are sucking pretty bad in the US. So many people I know are out of work or losing their choices. This is about the only thing that keeps me where I am. (that and the fact that I don't know what else to do at the moment). There is a lot to be said for being able to pay your rent even if you have to accept less pay, challenge or dignity that you have enjoyed in the past.

I used to always be worried about getting in trouble for spending too much time on the Internet at work. But now since I don't work anywhere near a computer the only thing I have to worry about is getting fired for cursing at or striking children. (which is a very real fear. . .)

That Girl (thatgirl), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:22 (twenty-three years ago)

All the computers at work have the FOUO (FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY) stickers on them. This hasn't stop anyone from doing personal, e-mail, viewing UNSAFE FOR WORK items, shop e-Bay or anything else totally unrealted to work. Heck, if people in my office were goofing off so much there'd be no reason for them to show up.

Lithium Lunchbox (Lithium Lunchbox), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate. Get the job done. Then do what I do for 'penance' fuck around on the internet for an hour. Or phone a friend. Or do some me-time. For five minutes of being a dick deduct an hour from work for me-time. I.E. What I would have done is to get the thing done for him/her. Then spend an hour with me time as penance. It's a good system. Then the fat pig dickhead fuckface managers can feel happy and the employee feels happy. It's a good system. Use it!

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Monday, 10 March 2003 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)

The funniest is the manager who thinks 'we are all friends here'. Umm. Until I get paid the same amount for you. For doing dick all that you do. Then I will still hate you. There are ways around the system, girl, use it. One Friendless Manager used to befriend my one mate all the time who was a Computer Contractor. The stupuid dickhead manager showed him where all the laptops were kept and where the keys to that room were located. When he finished the job at the widely known corporation - he went back and relieved the corporation of all their laptops. Dickhead managers are soft workers who suffered years of abuse to be in their position of power. Realise this and work will be your friend!

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)

this is all really putting me off getting some temp work...i'd really better get on with trying to impress design impressarios

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Temporary work is fine. No one notices you. You sit in the corner and you are usually a budget waster. I get alot of me-time accomplished during temporary jobs. And you get to hear the bitter life stories of full time workers. Always used to make me laugh! Suckers! You are sad!


The best is the fat pig managers who used to be buff! Who will flirt with you and recount their glory days in University! Feel sad for them! I do! I'm enjoying this thread far too much.

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah - there a MAJOR dry spells here where there's nothing to do BUT get online. and everyone else seems to swan off for extended lunches and officials' meetings and, at any rate, it's their fault i have no work to do here cause they should be generating research questions instead of getting fatter and fatter eating sausage rolls and mini-quiches and drinking orange juice when they should try water....i was pissed to discover that i needed to get hold of the IT administrator to download AIM, and therefore couldn't. if they want creative solutions they should expect work down-time, especially when it's actually brain up-time. but i too am happy to have a job that pays all my bills and lets me save and drink at the weekend.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno kate, you don't half make things difficult for yourself. Do you need the money? If not, quit and try something else, but as you know work is ALWAYS LIKE THIS. You get asked to do things which make no sense, non-urgent tasks suddenly become urgent, bosses have a go when they shouldn't. It's ALWAYS like this everywhere - it's WORK!!

In any kind of job, especially temporary, the worst thing to do is burst into tears or make like you give a shit if you're being carpeted. Turn it around, tell them what's what and leave them to it. 99 out of 100 bosses will back down and leave you alone in the future. The other strategy is to do the urgent stuff quickly, but not too quickly, and then doss for the rest of the time. The danger here is that if you're too efficient, you'll get more work to do.

Problem is though - you can't expect me-time as a right since they're paying, you have to learn strategies to get it. Don't let it get you down.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:21 (twenty-three years ago)

The way that I work is... I'm if I'm doing something shit that I don't enjoy. Yeah, like data entry. I'll do an hour/half an hour of work, and *reward* myself with five or ten minutes of email/ILX. It makes me happier, lifts my spirits and it clears my mind - which is really important when you are juggling vast columns of numbers all day.

The only time I ever abuse is it when there is NOTHING ELSE TO DO. As far as I'm concerned, that is my boss's responsibility to make sure that there is enough work to keep me occupied. If I finish something ahead of schedule, bonus for me.

I don't know if this is an isolated snit over one incident (no, it's not because it's not the first time I've been taken to task over my email use) of if it's a deep and glaring sign that this is NOT THE JOB FOR ME. We shall see. I'm kinda dreading going in today.

And BTW, No, it is *NOT* temporary. This is a permanent position. But theyve' sure as hell guaranteed that I won't be in it permanently.

kate (suzy), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, but it's *not the job for you* because it's boring and mindless and doesn't use any of your creative talents, NOT because you got into trouble over web use.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, like data entry. I'll do an hour/half an hour of work, and *reward* myself with five or ten minutes of email/ILX. It makes me happier, lifts my spirits and it clears my mind - which is really important when you are juggling vast columns of numbers all day.

This is what, in my experience, a lot of managers, especially those presiding over understimulated Excel-monkeys like what I used to be, do not ever seem to understand. It does seem like, annoying as it might have been for Kate to carry on emailing when he'd asked her to do something, he is clearly fucking terrible at man-management.

Actually, this thread has made me realise how lucky I am... my boss is quite relaxed about everything that goes on in the office provided the job gets done, and in my job it is screamingly obvious to everyone in the company when I've been working hard. So if it is a slow news day no one cares if I sit here looking at ILX for a while.

Other than that I think that Ally is OTM upthread.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:23 (twenty-three years ago)

All this hate the manager talk is making me upset. Im a cool manager. Trust me, if you worked for me you'd dig it. Drinks and smokes(not any more) with my employees. I mean I have to be a bit of a jackass sometimes to get things done, but in the end its all good.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh no! It's the friendly manager returning from a business trip with chocolates, whiskey and rimbauld tales to tell. Run! Or smile sweetly and laugh at his jokes? What to do? : - D

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never brought anything back for anybody.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

We are not discussing you. We are discussing the archetype of the frindly/friendless manager. Get over it!

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:00 (twenty-three years ago)

pablo picasso may have never called you an asshole, but I will.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Fine and I will call you a 'great manager'. Same thing.

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, its early and I'm bitter.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with Dr. C - work seems to suck no matter where you are, or how hard you try to find somewhere friendly and cool. So far in this country I have had to quit jobs because of bosses with horrible moodswings, lunchtime drinking habits, sneakily forcing me to work longer hours and no lunch, calling me at home about work, asking me to lie to their manager about serious errors they made or changing my workload and job description without my agreement.

The sad thing is that in most cases, I had some really cool co-workers and I was sad to leave them. It always seems to be the boss who became the problem, and people are too scared to speak up for you for fear of becoming the next target. Management, or lack of it, don't really want to do anything because they're not about to sack or discipline someone who will be harder to replace than you.

I'd go to "mediation" which was laughable - lots of talk, a few promises - things would get better for a little while and then back to the old ways after a couple of weeks.

So for your own sanity you have no choice but to quit or find another job, which is effectively constructive dismissal but hard to prove at an employment tribunal...

Anyhow, I had no qualms about helping myself to me-time or mental health days at those jobs. You just have to know when to knuckle down to get a ton of work done so you're caught up. Also, I figured as a non-smoker I was entitled to a bit of extra me-time for all the smoke breaks people used to take. Oh, and did I mention that people with cars would take super long shopping lunches, and then waste 1/2 hour running round the office giggling and showing off their purchases? Or stop work at about 4 pm on Fridays so they could start getting ready in the toilets for a night out at Brannigans? No, I definitely never felt guilty about my me-time.

I would agree about the drop-everything-and-do-it method when the "I need this NOW" jobs occasionally land on your desk. It just isn't worth the grief. It's all about prevention...

a grumpy girl, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:31 (twenty-three years ago)

As a manager my staff are entitled to no me-time. Me-time is what they get in their lunch break. Me-time is what they go home for. Someone working behind my bar cannot just go "I've having five minutes to myself".

There is nothing worse as a manager than being ignored and insulted by your staff. By not doing a task you are asked to do urgently, you are doing both.

Would I have done what Kate's manager did? No - as pointed out above its a touch contradictory to ask someone to do something urgently and then prevent them from doing it. Would I be concerned about Kate's response - very.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Breaking in a boss is like training a dog. You need to get them used to how you want things done, use reinforcement and give them a treat once in a while for good behaviour.

More than anything else bosses want predictability - if they can rely on you to do something *reasonably* well and on-time, they'll leave you alone the rest of the time. Many bosses are not in themselves bad people - it's just that a step up in responsibility often brings unbelievable pressure and hassle. I speak from past experience here. If you can help them by taking some shit off their plates, most bosses will be grateful that they have you around and give you leeway in other ways. It does mean making a big effort now and again, but it's definitely worth it for an easier life.

If there's any nonsense about asking you to work through lunch all the time or stay late too often you need to be firm and reasonable - if you can or want to do it, do it - it's all good ammunition if times get tough later - or if you can't say no and leave it at that.

**calling me at home about work**

Never acceptable. I once reported to a vice-president who used to do this all the time, even if I was on holiday even or at weekend. I used to dread answering the phone. I even changed my phone number but the bastard got it from somewhere. Eventually he stopped after my other half exploded in frustration when he rang up at 9.00 am on a Sat morning. She literally told him to f- off. It was great - he never mentioned it and didn't ring again.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh agreed Dr C. One part of the compact made with staff is you really do respect their time too. The number of people I've worked with who wanted to know my home number in case of an emergency. I always say 999.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Depends on the nature of the job, though -- in my case, I freely give my home number out for my students to use in case they need to call for an emergency reason. Over six years and constant staff rotation I've only been called twice, both for good reasons. As for those higher up the chain than I, again I think I've been called by them only once or twice.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

that's *my* home number pete you bastard

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

"ah yeah, Peter this is Jim Lumberg..."

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete and Dr C are spot on here. It is a two way thing after all.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Even after I left my old job, they *still* kept calling me to ask about work. I stopped answering the phone and got totally stressed! They also sent me loads of emails asking me to "pop in for lunch" which actually meant working for free and showing them where stuff was. I refused becase I'd tried time and time again for them to give me even 1/2 an hour so I could show them everything before my last day...

I agree, phoning at home and working late/no lunch are terrible things. But some career paths expect it, and you're up for the chop if you say no because you get branded as uncooperative. You could even have a contract that said "your hours of work are 9-5:30" but if you actually left then...people would talk.

They didn't really believe in holidays either, or generally having a life. One boss would regularly call people who were abroad on vacation because he knew they'd taken their mobiles with them. I also remember one of my bosses going straight to the personnel manager to ask what "his rights" were when he found out one of his freelance staff was pregnant.

In my experience, it was television production. I would rather starve than work in that field again. I could imagine lots of career areas where this might happen though.

a grumpy girl, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Well that's the advantage of being a temp. The health authority cannot afford to pay me to work more than 36 hours a week. Strange how my leitmotif of "if you want me before nine and/or after five it's double time" tends to reinforce their eagerness for me to adhere to said 36-hour week. The other advantage is that you can terminate the engagement at any time if things/people are not to your liking.

Plus I do have the fallback system of being bloody good, quick and efficient at doing my job - "MC, can you sort this out urgently, next 10 minutes?" two seconds later "Sorted" manager faints - with the result that (a) I get left alone to get on with things; and (b) after I've got on with everything, I end up with a lot of "me-time." I just get on with it and everyone goes home satisfied. But I wouldn't go permanent now - the pendulum does swing right the other way once they've got you. Never get into bed with someone if you think you might catch something, as my late wife used to say (not to me of course, ahem).

But it's all about (a) proving to your bosses that you can do the job; (b) wise usage of tactics.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Lumberg fucked her.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Not to get too four yorkshiremen about this, but I've had maybe two days entirely free of work for the last six weeks. And it's getting worse. I'm getting close to murdering whoever set the estimates for this project.

NotCalledRichardNo, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete, Dr C and Marcello all are OTM.

I like the Pete style of management, though, the me-time would be on the sly. I dislike buddy-buddy managers. No, I am there to work. Not hang out.

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

And Kate, the office culture in a smaller firm or company is different. The bonds are already there and harder to build with people. I've had really pleasant and rather horrible experiences at small firms. I avoid them, now.

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I do voluntary advice work several times a week, and don't even think about me-time while I am there even though I have access to computers. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I am treated with respect as well as complimented on the quality of my work on a regular basis.

Clearly, treated like dirt/indifference = need for me-time.

elisabeth k, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I think your final phrase sums it up for me. The present manager I hve at the moment just leaves you alone to accomplish what you need to accomplish. No buddy buddy. No office friendships. Just go in and do your job and go home. No questions asked. No office weasels. I like it neat and efficient, though, I do waste some time. But that is usually to clear my head out from the work.

pablo picasso, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

**But some career paths expect it, and you're up for the chop if you say no because you get branded as uncooperative. You could even have a contract that said "your hours of work are 9-5:30" but if you actually left then...people would talk**

Yes, this can be awkward. But again you have to be firm and reasonable. If you have other commitments that you have to leave for, then you have to be straight about it and go. If there's work that needs doing late on a day when I have to be somewhere at 5.30 to pick up the kids then I'll leave on time and do the work later. Everyone gets what they want that way. With e-mail and mobile phones I can think of very little reason ever to be 'in the office'.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

what you need is not a non-office job. (although if it is - go and drive the london underground - 30k a year - doss about all day listening to your walkman/playing the gameboy advance while the train drives itself. PERFECT)

What you need, is GHOSTZILLA

http://www.ghostzilla.com/

a "stealth" web browser that hides big photos (until you move your mouse over them) and shows everything in grey-on-white. And then (here's the best bit) it resizes itself over any existing window and then when the boss arrives, all you need to do is mvoe the mouse away from the window (which you'd do anyway as you jump when the boss comes near) and it disappears! leaving the original Excel/Word whatever!

Genius.

Incidentally i have an office job, it's boring, but then it pays the bills.

ken c, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Work does have my home and mobile numbers, but they haven't abused them generally. The one exception was when I tried to kill myself. I was still in hospital recovering when I got a call from work to ask me a few technical questions! To be fair, the guy who called didn't even know I was off sick, as I had leave booked that week anyway, and he was mortified when he learnt I was in hospital at the time, let alone why.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I changed my home phone number and wouldn't give it out because there was a girl - who incidentally DID NO WORK EVER PERIOD AND GOT FIRED EVENTUALLY AFTER THREE YEARS OF DOING NOTHING AT ALL FULL STOP I'M NOT KIDDING WE HAVE SEVERAL TEMPS TRYING TO CATCH UP ON HER THREE YEARS OF NOT DOING ANYTHING AT THE MOMENT - who felt nothing wrong with ringing me at 7am (ie when she got into work) on my days off to ask me how to work a system that I'd not only explained to her about 5000 times during her three years at the company, but had also broke down and written an instruction manual for. Between her and my ex-boyfriend, I was terrified to answer the phone at any time of the day. This was every time I was out! Sick, vacation, whatever - she'd call, and she'd call like every half hour, all day, to ask me how to do things - and to top it off she never actually DID any of the things she'd call me to ask about. It was like, what, were you just curious about it or did you plan to eventually DO these things?

I think I am going to go work for Hooters Air. I already feel like I'm working inside some kind of weird cross between Benny Hill and Terry Gilliam, so why not just go whole hog into surrealist sexism.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Exact words used by Mrs. Dr. C above "I don't know what f-ing day it is in America, but it's the f-ing weekend here, so f- off and leave us alone"

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I've just googled hooters air. That is the most traumatising thing ever. Its one of the most reactionary enterprises I've ever seen. I'm flabberghasted.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The Hooters near my work, I walk by it to see the Friendly Managers oogle the waitresses but the breasts of the waitresses look veiny. Must be all of that unnatural uplift.

pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha I just remembered that one of the shop monkeys once called Matt on his day off to ask where the scissors were.

Nobody has ever called me at home, except when I was actually on call over the weekends, 24 hours a day, working for a language school. Which I would never do again EVER.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh my GOD Ally, that Hooters Air even exists stuns me senseless.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

...he says as he immediately books a vacation to Myrtle Beach simply to fly the friendly skies of HOOTERS.

Keep in mind that I work at a company where I've been "requested" to not wear pants to work, despite the fact that other girls CAN, because I was told point blank by the previous HR director that "there are certain girls we hire to be office eye candy for (name of partner here)" - really, Hooters Air would be an improvement, though unfortunately not in salary. Alas :(

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

unless you were a pilot, but then you probably wouldn't have to wear the hotpants either.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

because I was told point blank by the previous HR director that "there are certain girls we hire to be office eye candy for (name of partner here)"

Nice that the previous HR director didn't know the definition of "hostile work environment." Ugh.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

So Hooters Air isn't a joke? Oh dear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:45 (twenty-three years ago)

No Ned, it's very real. Altho I haven't for the life of me figured out why anyone would start a new airline in the current environment.

I just got a presentation from my boss entitled "Doing the Right Thing: Preserving your right to manage in a Non-Union Environment." As stated on the Hate Your Boss thread, please shoot me now.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

But we like you, hstencil. I shall shed no blood. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks, Ned, I appreciate your kind words. Still doesn't make me completely feel like jumping out a window because of this job, though.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm...what exactly do you do again?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

During my input of OT hours in the weekly spreadsheet I noticed an employee put down 12 hours of OT. Which is complete BS. Unless said person gets here at midnight. What do I do now. Hmmmm....

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't blame Ally, because if I'm going to be treated like dirt and condescended to all day I may as well get paid better for it. Just in tips alone I know I could make more money. I have joked about it before, but as this job gets more soul-destroying it becomes less and less of a joke.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

My wife and I have seriously discussed hitting the gym and becoming exotic dancers.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

YOU HAVE A VISION.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Nail 'em to the cross, Chris! Or at least get some beers out of them.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned I work for an investment bank, in the training group. I used to love my job, but since a new boss took it over and I moved to New York, I hate it. Last week she assigned me a new manager to report to on his first day. I mean she had hired him like a month before and didn't bother telling me that I'd be reporting to him until his first fucking day on the job.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Eeeg. I don't blame ya for being annoyed.

I shall count my blessings and say that yesterday went very well with a presentation designed to bring a bunch of library staff here onside with Reserves' specific goals and knowledge of our pressures. Really helped clear the air and will probably improve what we're doing and then some, and I've already received a number of compliments. One of those situations where I wish I could share the good cheer and results with all you folks who need it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

glad to hear that, Ned. Whenever I do anything good around here, it seems like nobody freakin' notices.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

:-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I hear that. Tomorrow I have, against all odds, managed to secure a meeting with my boss. Wherein I plan to tell her exactly how much extra work I have done over the last 5 months and exactly how much she needs to pay me for it. Plus I will tell her that I am applying for my masters and if she has any sense she will let me keep my job part time.

(I think I'll need some Dutch courage first...)

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Same here stencil....put in 5 years of hard work, implement all sorts of new strategies and what not and get nothing out of it. Really pisses me off. But I am lucky to have a job, right now. Half my dept got laid off.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Yipes, Arch, good luck on the meeting front.

I am a temporary office monkey but no-one bothers me much as long as I get the work done, which is easily done alongside more fun stuff. Having said that, I need to get out of here before my brane atrophies completely.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice that the previous HR director didn't know the definition of "hostile work environment."

Haha - yet somehow a vast improvement over the current HR director, who allowed a higher up to slap certain people (who may or may not post here, who is to say I am grudgeful) in the face at a Christmas party and didn't discipline them, and then informed the complainants that it was not our...err, their right to view that person's file, which is blatantly illegal.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

a co-worker got away with slapping you? Are you serious?

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I am dead serious. No one thinks I am when I talk about my workplace but it's completely true. He successfully campaigned to get a good friend of mine fired, a while later, because she was the only person in his department who refused to go to lunch with him, because she didn't want to be around him in a personal setting after that incident in D.C. Everyone knew she was a good worker and doing her job and said so, and she got fired anyway, and I got stuck with her job (on top of mine) - meanwhile, someone who quite frankly could've been arrested in D.C. for what he did is sitting pretty on vacation at this very second.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

(By the way I am actually not complaining - I'm very complacent with this crap now and I'm just biding my time til the inevitable fold up and buy out of this hellhole. I'm regaling everyone with these stories to cheer up Kate into believing her job is doable, because at least she's not working with bitch-slappers and pimps!)

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess I should stop bitching about my job now.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

No no no, keep bitching - I mean, I get paid excellently, I'm just treated like a really cheap prostitute half the time. Eventually I'll be done with it, and either I will dramatically storm out the door without giving two week notice or anything, or they'll have to buy me out because the company is sold. Either way will be another year or two, it's not so bad.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm imagining looking at the hiring section of your site and seeing a job descriptions for "bitchslapper" and "pimp". Or even better, the who's who of the company page!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

OH GOD, Dan you've given me an idea for the ages but I'm frightened someone will find it if I actually created a webpage like that - I have pictures of all of them.

One of my good friends here, he is constantly claiming that we must take out ads in the "Anything Goes" section of the Voice personals to get hires because there's no other explanation for it. There's no way a proper job agency would send these people anywhere.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Ally, you have talked to an attorney about all this, right?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Not at this point...

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Felicity to thread!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

here, funny. In real life, not funny.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Ike Turner to thread.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

One of my fellow new teachers was berated by the prinicpal today, IN FRONT OF HIS CLASS. Completely unexcusable and unprofessional.

Our prinicipal is a little cockfarmer of the highest degree and if our school is a fucking jungle it is his own-little-meat-fault and not the brand new, unsupported, over-their-head teachers. My poor friend gets dumped on a lot b/c he is one of only 3 white male teachers at our school. Everyone at our school roughs up the kids to some extent as a matter of neccesity and self defense. But if this friend even lays his little finger on one the kids, they shriek "RACISM!" and parents who have never stepped foot in the school before are in the prinicipal's office calling for my friend's head. Therefore this teacher gets no respect from the faculty or administration b/c he "can't handle the kids" yet he can't use the same means everyone else does to gain control. It's insane.

Oh, also during the berating, the prinicipal jumped on him for making a police report about two gang members from the high school down the street who came into his classroom and physically threatened him. The prinicipal said it was his fault the kids came into his room and if he was afraid of strangers he shouldn't work in a public building. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?

I hate my school. If our little napolean-complex prinicpal ever did something like this to me I would be hauled out in handcuffs after sinking a pencil through his heart. Our jobs' are stressful enough without abuse from the managment. grr.

That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:32 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
at what point does distaste and disdain for one's dayjob drift into full-blown HATE?

cuz that's what's been happening to me over the last few weeks, i think.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

it's because you're planning on leaving soon, the same thing is happening to me even though I have a fun job for the most part. It's kinda like when you psyche yourself up to break up with someone by trying to hate them even more.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
I don’t know what’s more fun. The time I waste getting people things they can get themselves, the micromanagement (e.g. constantly telling me to shut the heavy doors to the filing closet when I’m juggling three projects at once and stop filing for more than 30 seconds (Me: “I’m filing right now” Her: “Are you REALLY filing right now? You’re talking to me right now.”)), or the total condescension with which they a) explain procedures to me that I have never been taught before b) answer reasonable questions about those procedures (which p.s. makes me averse to asking questions when I’m not 100% sure about things because I’m tired of being sneered at like an idiot).

I’ve been here two weeks. I’m doing the best I fucking can.

Gotta go, have to work through lunch again.

Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

damn, that was quick. sorry.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

the total condescension with which they a) explain procedures to me that I have never been taught before b) answer reasonable questions about those procedures (which p.s. makes me averse to asking questions when I’m not 100% sure about things because I’m tired of being sneered at like an idiot).

This happens with every new job, and it always blows. I am sorry.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

in some industries, it's worse tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

I learn things quickly and I'm a hard worker. I've never experienced anything like this.

I need to drink this weekend so badly.

Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

This happens with every new job, and it always blows. I am sorry.

I don't think this should be true. It has rarely happened to me in a job and it shouldn't happen and you should hate it when it does and it should immediately set the warning bells off in your head. It's the sign of a bad job, in my book.
The organisation I currently work for see every mistake I made during my first six months as a failure on the part of their training programme. The organisation Bloke works for now don't expect anyone to be able to do anything useful for the first three to six months of their employment there because that's how long it takes to learn everything. Mind you, they are ridiculously well organised when it comes to matters of HR.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 8 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

ugh i am having such a shitty day at work

Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)

so im going to post about it here instead of actually doing any work--small victory

Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 17:43 (seventeen years ago)

YESSSSSSS

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 17:43 (seventeen years ago)

Oh my god, re-reading this thread makes me realise... no matter how hard a day I'm having here, and no matter how much things suck here, MY GOD this job is an utter wonderland compared to that job that I used to have back then.

Not all jobs are like that. I was treated like cattle there. It was awful. I love being a contractor. I am perfectly able to manage mine own time if given the responsibility.

Go live is in less than a week. Which department is the only one that looks like it's going to meet its brief, on time without pulling massive overtime? That would be REPORTING. Me.

PWNAGE, STUPID SHITTY JOB I USED TO HAVE THAT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE NAME OF.

Carrot Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)

so yeah I am now on the "my job sucks" train

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:22 (seventeen years ago)

I have the following as evidence of why my job sucks:

Absentee bosses. Neither are in the office more than 2 days a week.

Frequently late paychecks.

Underpaid - I am paid anywhere from 50% to 150% less than everyone else I graduated from law school with, and I don't get any benefits except for coffee and parking - 25 miles from my house.

SHIT coworkers - the secretary refuses to do any work that doesn't come from the senior partner, and frequently lecures me about how she's "paid her dues" and "doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to." Her son, the file clerk, is a good guy, but is so beaten down by life that he does the BAREST of the bare minimum.

Am at the absolute bottom of the totem pole, professionally. As evidenced by me being the only person in the office on a holiday. From 6:30 until...maybe 7:00pm? 7:30?

SO - all of you who are in law school, take this as a warning: DO AS WELL AS YOU CAN IN LAW SCHOOL, DON'T MOVE WITHOUT A JOB WAITING FOR YOU, and MARRY SOMEONE WHO HAS A GOOD JOB AND CAN SUPPORT YOU WHILE DEALING WITH THE EFFECTS OF NOT FOLLOWING THE FIRST TWO PIECES OF ADVICE.

Fuck, I hate my life most parts of the day.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:31 (seventeen years ago)

i hate my job today. i want to travel to russia and uruguay and yemen and laos and ride on a motorcycle with the local girls.

rent, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:36 (seventeen years ago)

Amen. Jesus, that sounds heavenly.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)

This thread makes me feel sorry for you all. :(

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)

I am paid anywhere from 50% to 150% less than everyone else I graduated from law school with

Am I stupid or is being paid 150% less not than someone else not possible?

Either way, you have my sympathies!

James Morrison, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 22:49 (seventeen years ago)

He means he knows someone who makes 1.5 times what he is making.

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks, Dan.

Still fucking sucks.

B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 11 November 2008 23:47 (seventeen years ago)

Absentee bosses. Neither are in the office more than 2 days a week.

this seems like a good thing to me

a country packed with ponies (sunny successor), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 00:13 (seventeen years ago)

The last couple of times my boss wasn't in the office we photographed various dogs sitting in her chair.

James Morrison, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 03:07 (seventeen years ago)

you have various dogs in your office?? sign me up.

a country packed with ponies (sunny successor), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 03:08 (seventeen years ago)

I have quit this job, just working out my notice but I seem to be living in a Dilbert strip. I spent my journey into work emailing back and forth on the blackberry about why it would be nice if the developer stopped adding features to a product that we should have shipped a month ago so we can actually test it before we throw it in a box and send it out.

Spritz con Bitter (Ed), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:48 (seventeen years ago)

this seems like a good thing to me

it would be a good thing if you didn't have to face the fact that this person gets paid a ridiculously amount more than you while working half the hours.

;n_n; (tehresa), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

my last two projects have had the same problem except its the business making the developers add shit which we then have to add to testing and then, of course, the business wants to know why our projects are 5 weeks overdue

xp to ed

tza..something to aspire to no??

a country packed with ponies (sunny successor), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 14:45 (seventeen years ago)

Ed, congrats on moving on!

I hate my job less than in the recent past as my other has now lost his. My emancipation waits in the future but, for now, stability is a good thing.

100 Days, 100 Nights (Susan), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)

I'm pretty amazed this thread went for 3 years undisturbed.

Maria, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 15:33 (seventeen years ago)

ten months pass...

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BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 2 October 2009 21:34 (sixteen years ago)

That is some serious home row abuse.

existential eggs (Abbott), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:35 (sixteen years ago)

It's like bebop jazz for a QWERTY keyboard...

a gift from your mind in the form of the perfect beat (snoball), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:39 (sixteen years ago)

QWEbop

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)

This thread makes me absolutely adore my current boss.

He does not care when or how stuff gets done, so long as it gets done. He treats his colleagues like, well, *colleagues* - human beings, not cattle - and we respect him and don't take the piss. My department is so great.

(too bad about the rest of the company.)

I'm a hot lady in my bedroom and I need a Lindstrøm (Masonic Boom), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

Aye, well. It was bound to happen eventually.

what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 14 January 2010 18:34 (sixteen years ago)

thought that the only (thing) worse than my crappy job was being fired and being unemployed again.

HMMMMM

u don't have 2 be a shart, baby, 2 be in my jort (m bison), Thursday, 14 January 2010 18:35 (sixteen years ago)

seven months pass...

I can hardly stand my job anymore. Each week I have the moment where I tell myself "this is the worst day I've ever had at work", and then a few days later I break the record again. I feel so, so irrelevant. And, worse, I feel like I'm becoming a bad person. Like, I'm snapping at people, I'm rolling my eyes, I'm totally debbie downer. It's not just affecting my life outside of work, it's subsuming it. I FEEL LIKE A SHELL OF A MAN. I FEEL LIKE REFERENCING AWFUL CLICHES. I FEEL LIKE SAYING 'I HATE MY JOB'

but it's a steady job. In fact, I couldn't lose it if I wanted to. I would have to physically assault someone or be insubordinate for so long that someone would actually have to do something about it, fill out a bunch of paperwork, have that person fill out paperwork, go through some sort of review, wait 8 months, etc. And it pays pretty well. I'm now paying for my beyonce's living expenses while she goes to grad school for 3 years. I can't afford to quit at this point. what the fuck do I do? am I supposed to just man up and act like it's the 1950s and suffer through it? the way that most people at work seem to deal with it is just to...not actually work? and gradually lose all responsibilities? but keep getting real paid, and shake heads in astonishment when some young whippersnapper comes in from straight from grad school and actually wants to do stuff? this shit is like brazil, i can't cope

Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:40 (fifteen years ago)

Dear all full-time ILX0rs how can any of you hate your jobs so much when you get to spend all day on ILX? Just askin'-I wish I could. ZS I feel for you tho you seem like one of the more talented people on the planet and your kind should blossom not suffer under fools or foolish systems.

soviet, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:45 (fifteen years ago)

zs is a transfer possible? stay paid, move to somewhere a little less soul-draining? i feel you though man, been there. at least you're doing some good for the girl, there's that.

156, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:54 (fifteen years ago)

jesus this isn't the fifties.....

thank god i can relocate to another country (u s steel), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)

that sucks ZS. my only suggestion is to try and make your home life as good as possible? use your job to finance some pursuits or hobbies? like me, part of the reason I'm sticking with my job is to finance my photography hobby. I dunno. wish I could be of more help. \(o_O)/

dayo, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:02 (fifteen years ago)

haha, thanks for the advice, which would be helpful if I would have the guts to follow it! I watched the beginning of Joe Vs. the Volcano last night and it felt like an accurate portrayal of my work environment. I thought I had a pretty high tolerance for total bullshit at work but here I am a year and a half in and I feel like my life is over, totally over.

I have to get out, but I can't afford to leave now...everyday I scan for other jobs that I think I would have a chance at in the area, but everything says "5-7 years experience in the area of -insert vague area I'm working in-", and I'm left with the thought of "ok I guess I should stick it out here for another 4-6 years and then I'll be ready to apply for this other job and then-"

Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)

but yeah it sounds like your situation totally sucks. my mom has been working as an accountant for 20 years now, has another 10 to go before she can retire. she really hates it, finds it monotonous and full of drudgery, but she sticks with it for the paycheck and the stability.

dayo, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)

I used to think five years was a really long time until I got older. It's like nothing. I don't think it's fair though that people think they can judge based on your lack of experience.

thank god i can relocate to another country (u s steel), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)

i don't know, 5 years may be nothing, but 5 or 6 more nothings and I'm in the zone where I'm a few nothings away from dying. I can't stand the thought of wittling away the years where I can still climb a few flights of stairs without whining to everyone within shouting distance staring at the computer, working on version two billion of some stupid contract proposal that is a waste of time and money for everyone.

or sitting through meetings where the main topic is that we're not spending money FAST ENOUGH.

Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:28 (fifteen years ago)

couple thoughts

  • job suckage is always magnified by suckage or at least boredom in other spheres of yr life. u a creative dude, get a project and devote your energy to it. make sure you go out a lot, even just on a walk or whatever, so u dont feel like youre spending all of ur time doing something you hate.
  • u should apply to those 5-7 yrs experience jobs anyway. cause why not?
  • i quit a job i hated almost exactly a year ago with no real plan and am now doing something pretty close to what i would like to do. i got really, REALLY lucky, at least twice, in that year but... its possible to quit the job and live the dream. less so if u got responsiblities but.

max, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)

those are really good thoughts.

on that third bullet, you got really luck, at least twice, but was it the result of applying to jobs you thought you had no chance at? i'm thinking i need to stop being such a weenie and at least put my hat in the ring for some of these jobs. thanks for the good advice.

Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:47 (fifteen years ago)

um, the luck i had was both about getting jobs i wanted, but less applying to stuff i didnt think i had a chance at and more the luck of being in the right place at the right time? but the thing is, there are things you can do to put yourself in "the right place" like let word get around that youre looking for something else, and, yeah, putting your hat in the ring

max, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)

zs, what about looking at startups? it seems like your field (energy iirc?) would have lots of new businesses popping up, and hopefully they'd be less about 5-7 yrs and more about ENTHUSIASM? set up google alerts not for job listings but for press releases in your field and your geo location, and then cover letter the fuck out of them, tell em why ur #1. you might just hit it off with ppl that are not only in the same field but also of the same age/mentality.

i <3 how max's advice in multiple threads is 'take walks.' srsly.

also, u are the most gifted gifmaker i have ever seen. not like this is a future job, but blog w/those 3x a week abt current events and then someone picks it up and who knows where that leads. it sounds silly but u have a talent so why not put it out there beyond ilx? zs gifs>>>>hipster puppies imo

156, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:17 (fifteen years ago)

i think i give that advice a lot because i wish i took it more often

max, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:20 (fifteen years ago)

One day this will stop being my life.

But at least in this job, if I say "can I just finish this email first...?" my boss (who is A++++ star magnificent and the only reason I stay) just shrugs and says "yeah, no problem, so long as it gets done."

Karen D. Tregaskin, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:28 (fifteen years ago)

My only job hatred at the minute involves the wife of our founder, who in the past couple of years has wandered from her empty nest into the office, been given a directorship by her husband, and now spends her days micromanaging people 1/3 to 1/2 her age while invoking the idea that we're all a family together. To be at the mercy of the whims of a bosswife who thinks she's Anita Roddick 2.0 but is demonstrably self-absorbed and undermining of other people's children is just galling.

winston burchill (suzy), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 10:00 (fifteen years ago)

..otherwise I love my job and am genuinely pleased with the work I've done this year, bosswife's husband is a good boss for a guy my mom's age, and my working relationship with him is fine.

winston burchill (suzy), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 10:02 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

can hardly stand my job anymore. Each week I have the moment where I tell myself "this is the worst day I've ever had at work", and then a few days later I break the record again. I feel so, so irrelevant. And, worse, I feel like I'm becoming a bad person. Like, I'm snapping at people, I'm rolling my eyes, I'm totally debbie downer. It's not just affecting my life outside of work, it's subsuming it. I FEEL LIKE A SHELL OF A MAN. I FEEL LIKE REFERENCING AWFUL CLICHES. I FEEL LIKE SAYING 'I HATE MY JOB'
― Z S, Wednesday, September 1, 2010 12:40 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ZS-two-years-ago, are you me-right-now? how did this play out, did you quit?

auscozeichnet (cozen), Saturday, 20 July 2013 20:18 (twelve years ago)

if you break it down I cd have the best job in the world: well paid, stable, little responsibility, little micromanaging, my own boss, unltd internet access, super easy work, 9-5, coffee and chat breaks on the reg

but it's just so dull and unfulfilling and I'm surrounded by super-entitled private-school gold-club-member rugby-playing dweebs and there's no challenge, prospects or training

tempted to just chuck and go cycle round scotland, then europe, selling coffee from the back of my bike

auscozeichnet (cozen), Saturday, 20 July 2013 20:24 (twelve years ago)

golf*

auscozeichnet (cozen), Saturday, 20 July 2013 20:24 (twelve years ago)

i'm...still there. in fact, today is my 4 year anniversary of starting the job. there are still days/weeks that are just completely awful. record breakers. i guess the difference is that now i can take it because there's a tangible end in sight. next spring i'm going to be leaving (moving to wherever my gf decides to go for her phd).

Z S, Saturday, 20 July 2013 23:03 (twelve years ago)

three months pass...

there are times when I remember that bit in Secretary where Maggie Gyllenhaal brings a "sewing kit" with razors to work, and i think, that's not a bad idea

Nhex, Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:04 (twelve years ago)

three months pass...

fuck my job

paolo, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 14:18 (twelve years ago)

If I had to work in this job for the next thirty five years and there was no way I could get another then I would take my own life

paolo, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 14:34 (twelve years ago)

*suicide cult high five*

Nhex, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 15:53 (twelve years ago)

just google zombies spark plugs and vampires and you're all set!!!!

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:46 (twelve years ago)

eight years pass...

god, suzy's initial post itt sounds like such a nightmare.

my job is actually pretty good, because it's very easy to check out, wfh and do other things, and face no consequences for it. which is pretty ideal. but there is constant tension between doing nothing and pretending like i'm doing something that takes effort to process, and that stress gets to me.

the larger issue is that i hate my career or field or whatever you want to call it. i'm attending a conference today and tomorrow. that is, i'm supposed to be. i went to the first session this morning and i could not get out of there fast enough. it was "communications skills for records and information managers." the presenter wasn't bad or anything. but like, as an illustration of the fundamental disconnect i face with my career, at one point we broke out into "teams" and were assigned the task of describing to a "normal person" why records management is important in six words or less. the response in my head was "compared to everything else, it isn't". i hate records management, i hate the rule-focused people who do it, i hate all the things that apparently motivate the people who do it, i hate the government and i hate working for it. and today i'm asking myself, how the fuck did i get here? i think i just picked a path before i understood who i really was. to be fair, that path was archives, which is slightly different than records management, but it's still not a great fit for my strengths and motivations.

so i'm back to facing the fact that i need to work on a career switch, which is where i was two years ago before i landed this job (which i desperately needed). the field i arrived that then was copywriting. i still think it would be a better fit than what i'm doing now. maybe technical writing. but i'm really not motivated to do anything about it until .. the end of summer maybe? even thinking about it is a challenge.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:11 (three years ago)

grant writing?

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:18 (three years ago)

can be rewarding, and very slightly creative

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:19 (three years ago)

hmm maybe

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:31 (three years ago)

do you do it? if so what do you like about it?

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:32 (three years ago)

fuck going to this conference again, i'm calling in sick tomorrow.

also, hilton will only let you use microsoft edge on their event wifi. fuck you hilton.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Friday, 15 July 2022 02:20 (three years ago)

Problems of the privileged, but I am applying for a promotion kind’ve out of resentment, I’ve done a lot of good shit and watched people who are good at checking the boxes sprint past me. Anyway the process is highly corrosive to the soul, talking myself up with fingers in ears at the shrieking void of all the ways I want to negate and contradict what I’m writing. And the end result is being evaluated by the climbers and glib self-congratulators I despise. That’s what you get when you’re managed by academics I guess. At least my boss is a good guy and my senior colleague mentoring me is one of the good people, her elevation was pure merit and hard work so that helps.
Anyway, it’s an expression of loathing at the job, and good to remind myself I live in a privilege bubble.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 15 July 2022 21:51 (three years ago)


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