I got told off this afternoon for spending too much time on the internet. Why? because at 1:59, when I was still officially on lunch, my boss came over and handed me some piece of paper which had to be done "immediately". When he came back, at about 2:05, and I was still finishing up my email, he took me in the corridor and threatened me with discplinary action. I burst into tears, ran outside and spent the next 20 minutes crying in the park at the thought that the only worse than my crappy job was being fired and being unemployed again.
I've spent too long freelancing. I've got too used to the idea that I should have "me-time" and that work will occur when that me-time is done. I've got too used to the idea that it doesn't matter WHEN work gets done so long as it GETS done. I CAN NOT COPE with people hanging over my desk, watching over my shoulder and monitoring my every move to make sure I'm not Having Fun.
YOU DO NOT PAY ME ENOUGH FOR MY COMPLETE ATTENTION ALL DAY LONG YOU FUCKING BASTARDS!!!
I hate that place. I just want you to know that if I'm in a snippy mood between certain hours of the day, that is why.
― kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)
fuck that, i DONT have a job right now and i appear to be happier than two thirds of the people who do in this world. i dont want A job, i want THE job, the one thats gonna take me into my 30s relatively happy and with a good degree of comfort, opportunities and prospective development, a foxy receptionist wouldnt go amiss either. i am doing this and that to try and get this job but i am lazy and slack and just not quite doing enough but i like to think i'll get there sooner rather than later. can someone kick my arse now please?
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)
I think that must be a bad attitude, though.
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)
Obviously your boss is a brilliant manager and absolute tops at increasing his workers' productivity.
Sorry kate.
― hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Just calm down, don't cry, don't let it get to you. It's how it is. You can fuck around and do things, but NOT when someone says to you "I need this right now".
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)
1) By the time he came back over, I agreed, yes, I was out of order, and I would do it NOW NOW NOW. It took THREE TIMES AS LONG to take me outside and reprimand me than I wasted finishing my email.
2) As it turned out, what he asked me to do was NOT so urgent. He wanted me to look through over 100 booked invoices for a query invoice which HE HAD CLEARLY LOST. It was fucking busywork, like everything else I'd been doing all day.
3) His excuse for why I shouldn't be on email was "Oh, I don't care if you do it, but the OTHER BOSSES will notice" - i.e. that HE will look bad. You know what? I HAVE NOTHING TO DO. This is his responsibility as boss, not my responsibility as new, underling employee.
4) The way that he treated me, i.e. like a child who needed to be repremanded, has now made me surly, unproductive, and it has made me resolve to GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. Really productive.
They do not pay me enough for the amount of work that they expect. This is the fundamental root of the problem. They have hired a data entry operator, I will do the job of a data entry operator, and no more.
― kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)
For 2) you should maybe suggest that making random unimportant things seem urgent to keep you on your toes will just reduce the impact when something actually urgent comes through. The boy who cried wolf and so on. Though you should check beforehand that he shares your view on how urgent it actually was.
3) is why office structure is the curse of the devil and anyone who thinks it a natural arrangement should DIE DIE DIE. see also The Office.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)
and that is exactly why people who are nice and generally care about people are never managers, at least for not that long anyways.
― hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)
But the only thing worse than the thought of being trapped in that place, is the thought that I could be fired. It's such a "frying pan or fire" damned if you do damned if you don't situation that it makes me burst into tears with the powerlessness of it all.
Maybe I could talk to them about some sort of situation where I temp or freelance - they call me in when they have work, pay me an hourly work, I don't fuck around, and then when it's done I GO HOME AND LIVE MY OWN LIFE.
It's getting worse cause they've bought more desks but no more space, so we're even MORE on top of each other now.
― kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)
I do realise that I'm very lucky there - I have worked in several offices before, and this is the first time I could say much of this, let alone all of it. I don't say this to try to claim offices are great, as they generally aren't, but just to point out that they can be okay. (And by the way, I'm posting this from home.)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)
I think it's a total myth, by the way, that nice people cannot be managers. "Mean" is not the necessary skillset, and taking Kate specially aside is just plain stupid. He's not a very good manager - a good manager would've had Kate do it immediately, then waited til she was done to tell her off, once she brought the paperwork to his office (sorry Kate, not to beat on you or anything, you're the only example here though).
If it makes you feel any better, Kate, at least you've got lots of enthusiastic job lovers there. Contrary to what you might think, it does seem to help you get more used to the situation. You could be here, where everyone actively loathes their lot in life and says things out loud like "As soon as the job market picks up at all, I'm walking out, without even notice". In my experience it puts you more on edge...
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)
If everyone LOVES LOVES LOVES their job, it makes me feel like a freaking mutant for not being grateful for working there.
I know that it's not an ideal situation. Every day that I am there is just another kick in the teeth remembeing that I have given up £10K in pay and seven years of experience JUST TO HAVE A PAYCHECK. So it is really hard to feel enthuasiastic about it to start with. :-(
― kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm not saying that they can't be, just they don't tend to last as long. I used to love my job until last June, when my boss in Chicago was basically let go because of politics/not wanting to move to Charlotte or NYC. My new boss is a total and udder dud, and has NO ABILITY to motivate people, to understand their motivations, and to figure out what it is she should actually do. Since I moved to NYC in October, only 2 of the 6 people who were here pre-my new boss are still here (and that includes me).
― hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)
I put that on my last job application, don't ya know.
(NOT really...)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nick A. (Nick A.), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)
kate, have hope...someday you will be free....
― Maria (Maria), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― kephm, Monday, 10 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)
if i were a manager i would grant any request (yo g, can i have 5 months off to go travelling round spain? yeah, sure, take 6!). i would lose my job within 2 weeks when my boss would say "gareth, where are all your staff?"
i'm glad not to have the responsibility!
― gareth (gareth), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 10 March 2003 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 10 March 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― kate (suzy), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)
"Let them have their TARTAR SAUCE!"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― Clare (not entirely unhappy), Monday, 10 March 2003 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)
I used to always be worried about getting in trouble for spending too much time on the Internet at work. But now since I don't work anywhere near a computer the only thing I have to worry about is getting fired for cursing at or striking children. (which is a very real fear. . .)
― That Girl (thatgirl), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lithium Lunchbox (Lithium Lunchbox), Monday, 10 March 2003 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Monday, 10 March 2003 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:03 (twenty-three years ago)
The best is the fat pig managers who used to be buff! Who will flirt with you and recount their glory days in University! Feel sad for them! I do! I'm enjoying this thread far too much.
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Clare (not entirely unhappy), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)
In any kind of job, especially temporary, the worst thing to do is burst into tears or make like you give a shit if you're being carpeted. Turn it around, tell them what's what and leave them to it. 99 out of 100 bosses will back down and leave you alone in the future. The other strategy is to do the urgent stuff quickly, but not too quickly, and then doss for the rest of the time. The danger here is that if you're too efficient, you'll get more work to do.
Problem is though - you can't expect me-time as a right since they're paying, you have to learn strategies to get it. Don't let it get you down.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:21 (twenty-three years ago)
The only time I ever abuse is it when there is NOTHING ELSE TO DO. As far as I'm concerned, that is my boss's responsibility to make sure that there is enough work to keep me occupied. If I finish something ahead of schedule, bonus for me.
I don't know if this is an isolated snit over one incident (no, it's not because it's not the first time I've been taken to task over my email use) of if it's a deep and glaring sign that this is NOT THE JOB FOR ME. We shall see. I'm kinda dreading going in today.
And BTW, No, it is *NOT* temporary. This is a permanent position. But theyve' sure as hell guaranteed that I won't be in it permanently.
― kate (suzy), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 08:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)
This is what, in my experience, a lot of managers, especially those presiding over understimulated Excel-monkeys like what I used to be, do not ever seem to understand. It does seem like, annoying as it might have been for Kate to carry on emailing when he'd asked her to do something, he is clearly fucking terrible at man-management.
Actually, this thread has made me realise how lucky I am... my boss is quite relaxed about everything that goes on in the office provided the job gets done, and in my job it is screamingly obvious to everyone in the company when I've been working hard. So if it is a slow news day no one cares if I sit here looking at ILX for a while.
Other than that I think that Ally is OTM upthread.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)
The sad thing is that in most cases, I had some really cool co-workers and I was sad to leave them. It always seems to be the boss who became the problem, and people are too scared to speak up for you for fear of becoming the next target. Management, or lack of it, don't really want to do anything because they're not about to sack or discipline someone who will be harder to replace than you.
I'd go to "mediation" which was laughable - lots of talk, a few promises - things would get better for a little while and then back to the old ways after a couple of weeks.
So for your own sanity you have no choice but to quit or find another job, which is effectively constructive dismissal but hard to prove at an employment tribunal...
Anyhow, I had no qualms about helping myself to me-time or mental health days at those jobs. You just have to know when to knuckle down to get a ton of work done so you're caught up. Also, I figured as a non-smoker I was entitled to a bit of extra me-time for all the smoke breaks people used to take. Oh, and did I mention that people with cars would take super long shopping lunches, and then waste 1/2 hour running round the office giggling and showing off their purchases? Or stop work at about 4 pm on Fridays so they could start getting ready in the toilets for a night out at Brannigans? No, I definitely never felt guilty about my me-time.
I would agree about the drop-everything-and-do-it method when the "I need this NOW" jobs occasionally land on your desk. It just isn't worth the grief. It's all about prevention...
― a grumpy girl, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:31 (twenty-three years ago)
There is nothing worse as a manager than being ignored and insulted by your staff. By not doing a task you are asked to do urgently, you are doing both.
Would I have done what Kate's manager did? No - as pointed out above its a touch contradictory to ask someone to do something urgently and then prevent them from doing it. Would I be concerned about Kate's response - very.
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)
More than anything else bosses want predictability - if they can rely on you to do something *reasonably* well and on-time, they'll leave you alone the rest of the time. Many bosses are not in themselves bad people - it's just that a step up in responsibility often brings unbelievable pressure and hassle. I speak from past experience here. If you can help them by taking some shit off their plates, most bosses will be grateful that they have you around and give you leeway in other ways. It does mean making a big effort now and again, but it's definitely worth it for an easier life.
If there's any nonsense about asking you to work through lunch all the time or stay late too often you need to be firm and reasonable - if you can or want to do it, do it - it's all good ammunition if times get tough later - or if you can't say no and leave it at that.
**calling me at home about work**
Never acceptable. I once reported to a vice-president who used to do this all the time, even if I was on holiday even or at weekend. I used to dread answering the phone. I even changed my phone number but the bastard got it from somewhere. Eventually he stopped after my other half exploded in frustration when he rang up at 9.00 am on a Sat morning. She literally told him to f- off. It was great - he never mentioned it and didn't ring again.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)
I agree, phoning at home and working late/no lunch are terrible things. But some career paths expect it, and you're up for the chop if you say no because you get branded as uncooperative. You could even have a contract that said "your hours of work are 9-5:30" but if you actually left then...people would talk.
They didn't really believe in holidays either, or generally having a life. One boss would regularly call people who were abroad on vacation because he knew they'd taken their mobiles with them. I also remember one of my bosses going straight to the personnel manager to ask what "his rights" were when he found out one of his freelance staff was pregnant.
In my experience, it was television production. I would rather starve than work in that field again. I could imagine lots of career areas where this might happen though.
― a grumpy girl, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)
Plus I do have the fallback system of being bloody good, quick and efficient at doing my job - "MC, can you sort this out urgently, next 10 minutes?" two seconds later "Sorted" manager faints - with the result that (a) I get left alone to get on with things; and (b) after I've got on with everything, I end up with a lot of "me-time." I just get on with it and everyone goes home satisfied. But I wouldn't go permanent now - the pendulum does swing right the other way once they've got you. Never get into bed with someone if you think you might catch something, as my late wife used to say (not to me of course, ahem).
But it's all about (a) proving to your bosses that you can do the job; (b) wise usage of tactics.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― NotCalledRichardNo, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)
I like the Pete style of management, though, the me-time would be on the sly. I dislike buddy-buddy managers. No, I am there to work. Not hang out.
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)
Clearly, treated like dirt/indifference = need for me-time.
― elisabeth k, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)
Yes, this can be awkward. But again you have to be firm and reasonable. If you have other commitments that you have to leave for, then you have to be straight about it and go. If there's work that needs doing late on a day when I have to be somewhere at 5.30 to pick up the kids then I'll leave on time and do the work later. Everyone gets what they want that way. With e-mail and mobile phones I can think of very little reason ever to be 'in the office'.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)
What you need, is GHOSTZILLA
http://www.ghostzilla.com/
a "stealth" web browser that hides big photos (until you move your mouse over them) and shows everything in grey-on-white. And then (here's the best bit) it resizes itself over any existing window and then when the boss arrives, all you need to do is mvoe the mouse away from the window (which you'd do anyway as you jump when the boss comes near) and it disappears! leaving the original Excel/Word whatever!
Genius.
Incidentally i have an office job, it's boring, but then it pays the bills.
― ken c, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)
I think I am going to go work for Hooters Air. I already feel like I'm working inside some kind of weird cross between Benny Hill and Terry Gilliam, so why not just go whole hog into surrealist sexism.
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― pablo picasso was never called an asshole, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)
Nobody has ever called me at home, except when I was actually on call over the weekends, 24 hours a day, working for a language school. Which I would never do again EVER.
― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)
Keep in mind that I work at a company where I've been "requested" to not wear pants to work, despite the fact that other girls CAN, because I was told point blank by the previous HR director that "there are certain girls we hire to be office eye candy for (name of partner here)" - really, Hooters Air would be an improvement, though unfortunately not in salary. Alas :(
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)
Nice that the previous HR director didn't know the definition of "hostile work environment." Ugh.
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:45 (twenty-three years ago)
I just got a presentation from my boss entitled "Doing the Right Thing: Preserving your right to manage in a Non-Union Environment." As stated on the Hate Your Boss thread, please shoot me now.
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)
I shall count my blessings and say that yesterday went very well with a presentation designed to bring a bunch of library staff here onside with Reserves' specific goals and knowledge of our pressures. Really helped clear the air and will probably improve what we're doing and then some, and I've already received a number of compliments. One of those situations where I wish I could share the good cheer and results with all you folks who need it!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)
(I think I'll need some Dutch courage first...)
― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)
I am a temporary office monkey but no-one bothers me much as long as I get the work done, which is easily done alongside more fun stuff. Having said that, I need to get out of here before my brane atrophies completely.
― Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)
Haha - yet somehow a vast improvement over the current HR director, who allowed a higher up to slap certain people (who may or may not post here, who is to say I am grudgeful) in the face at a Christmas party and didn't discipline them, and then informed the complainants that it was not our...err, their right to view that person's file, which is blatantly illegal.
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)
One of my good friends here, he is constantly claiming that we must take out ads in the "Anything Goes" section of the Voice personals to get hires because there's no other explanation for it. There's no way a proper job agency would send these people anywhere.
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)
Our prinicipal is a little cockfarmer of the highest degree and if our school is a fucking jungle it is his own-little-meat-fault and not the brand new, unsupported, over-their-head teachers. My poor friend gets dumped on a lot b/c he is one of only 3 white male teachers at our school. Everyone at our school roughs up the kids to some extent as a matter of neccesity and self defense. But if this friend even lays his little finger on one the kids, they shriek "RACISM!" and parents who have never stepped foot in the school before are in the prinicipal's office calling for my friend's head. Therefore this teacher gets no respect from the faculty or administration b/c he "can't handle the kids" yet he can't use the same means everyone else does to gain control. It's insane.
Oh, also during the berating, the prinicipal jumped on him for making a police report about two gang members from the high school down the street who came into his classroom and physically threatened him. The prinicipal said it was his fault the kids came into his room and if he was afraid of strangers he shouldn't work in a public building. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?
I hate my school. If our little napolean-complex prinicpal ever did something like this to me I would be hauled out in handcuffs after sinking a pencil through his heart. Our jobs' are stressful enough without abuse from the managment. grr.
― That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:32 (twenty-three years ago)
cuz that's what's been happening to me over the last few weeks, i think.
― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)
I’ve been here two weeks. I’m doing the best I fucking can.
Gotta go, have to work through lunch again.
― Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)
This happens with every new job, and it always blows. I am sorry.
― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)
I need to drink this weekend so badly.
― Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)
I don't think this should be true. It has rarely happened to me in a job and it shouldn't happen and you should hate it when it does and it should immediately set the warning bells off in your head. It's the sign of a bad job, in my book. The organisation I currently work for see every mistake I made during my first six months as a failure on the part of their training programme. The organisation Bloke works for now don't expect anyone to be able to do anything useful for the first three to six months of their employment there because that's how long it takes to learn everything. Mind you, they are ridiculously well organised when it comes to matters of HR.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 8 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)
ugh i am having such a shitty day at work
― Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)
so im going to post about it here instead of actually doing any work--small victory
― Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 17:43 (seventeen years ago)
YESSSSSSS
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 17:43 (seventeen years ago)
Oh my god, re-reading this thread makes me realise... no matter how hard a day I'm having here, and no matter how much things suck here, MY GOD this job is an utter wonderland compared to that job that I used to have back then.
Not all jobs are like that. I was treated like cattle there. It was awful. I love being a contractor. I am perfectly able to manage mine own time if given the responsibility.
Go live is in less than a week. Which department is the only one that looks like it's going to meet its brief, on time without pulling massive overtime? That would be REPORTING. Me.
PWNAGE, STUPID SHITTY JOB I USED TO HAVE THAT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE NAME OF.
― Carrot Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)
so yeah I am now on the "my job sucks" train
― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:22 (seventeen years ago)
I have the following as evidence of why my job sucks:
Absentee bosses. Neither are in the office more than 2 days a week.
Frequently late paychecks.
Underpaid - I am paid anywhere from 50% to 150% less than everyone else I graduated from law school with, and I don't get any benefits except for coffee and parking - 25 miles from my house.
SHIT coworkers - the secretary refuses to do any work that doesn't come from the senior partner, and frequently lecures me about how she's "paid her dues" and "doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to." Her son, the file clerk, is a good guy, but is so beaten down by life that he does the BAREST of the bare minimum.
Am at the absolute bottom of the totem pole, professionally. As evidenced by me being the only person in the office on a holiday. From 6:30 until...maybe 7:00pm? 7:30?
SO - all of you who are in law school, take this as a warning: DO AS WELL AS YOU CAN IN LAW SCHOOL, DON'T MOVE WITHOUT A JOB WAITING FOR YOU, and MARRY SOMEONE WHO HAS A GOOD JOB AND CAN SUPPORT YOU WHILE DEALING WITH THE EFFECTS OF NOT FOLLOWING THE FIRST TWO PIECES OF ADVICE.
Fuck, I hate my life most parts of the day.
― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:31 (seventeen years ago)
i hate my job today. i want to travel to russia and uruguay and yemen and laos and ride on a motorcycle with the local girls.
― rent, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:36 (seventeen years ago)
Amen. Jesus, that sounds heavenly.
― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 11 November 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)
This thread makes me feel sorry for you all. :(
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)
I am paid anywhere from 50% to 150% less than everyone else I graduated from law school with
Am I stupid or is being paid 150% less not than someone else not possible?
Either way, you have my sympathies!
― James Morrison, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 22:49 (seventeen years ago)
He means he knows someone who makes 1.5 times what he is making.
― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks, Dan.
Still fucking sucks.
― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 11 November 2008 23:47 (seventeen years ago)
this seems like a good thing to me
― a country packed with ponies (sunny successor), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 00:13 (seventeen years ago)
The last couple of times my boss wasn't in the office we photographed various dogs sitting in her chair.
― James Morrison, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 03:07 (seventeen years ago)
you have various dogs in your office?? sign me up.
― a country packed with ponies (sunny successor), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 03:08 (seventeen years ago)
I have quit this job, just working out my notice but I seem to be living in a Dilbert strip. I spent my journey into work emailing back and forth on the blackberry about why it would be nice if the developer stopped adding features to a product that we should have shipped a month ago so we can actually test it before we throw it in a box and send it out.
― Spritz con Bitter (Ed), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 09:48 (seventeen years ago)
it would be a good thing if you didn't have to face the fact that this person gets paid a ridiculously amount more than you while working half the hours.
― ;n_n; (tehresa), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)
my last two projects have had the same problem except its the business making the developers add shit which we then have to add to testing and then, of course, the business wants to know why our projects are 5 weeks overdue
xp to ed
tza..something to aspire to no??
― a country packed with ponies (sunny successor), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 14:45 (seventeen years ago)
Ed, congrats on moving on!
I hate my job less than in the recent past as my other has now lost his. My emancipation waits in the future but, for now, stability is a good thing.
― 100 Days, 100 Nights (Susan), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)
I'm pretty amazed this thread went for 3 years undisturbed.
― Maria, Wednesday, 12 November 2008 15:33 (seventeen years ago)
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― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 2 October 2009 21:34 (sixteen years ago)
That is some serious home row abuse.
― existential eggs (Abbott), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:35 (sixteen years ago)
It's like bebop jazz for a QWERTY keyboard...
― a gift from your mind in the form of the perfect beat (snoball), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:39 (sixteen years ago)
QWEbop
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)
This thread makes me absolutely adore my current boss.
He does not care when or how stuff gets done, so long as it gets done. He treats his colleagues like, well, *colleagues* - human beings, not cattle - and we respect him and don't take the piss. My department is so great.
(too bad about the rest of the company.)
― I'm a hot lady in my bedroom and I need a Lindstrøm (Masonic Boom), Friday, 2 October 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)
Aye, well. It was bound to happen eventually.
― what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 14 January 2010 18:34 (sixteen years ago)
thought that the only (thing) worse than my crappy job was being fired and being unemployed again.
HMMMMM
― u don't have 2 be a shart, baby, 2 be in my jort (m bison), Thursday, 14 January 2010 18:35 (sixteen years ago)
I can hardly stand my job anymore. Each week I have the moment where I tell myself "this is the worst day I've ever had at work", and then a few days later I break the record again. I feel so, so irrelevant. And, worse, I feel like I'm becoming a bad person. Like, I'm snapping at people, I'm rolling my eyes, I'm totally debbie downer. It's not just affecting my life outside of work, it's subsuming it. I FEEL LIKE A SHELL OF A MAN. I FEEL LIKE REFERENCING AWFUL CLICHES. I FEEL LIKE SAYING 'I HATE MY JOB'
but it's a steady job. In fact, I couldn't lose it if I wanted to. I would have to physically assault someone or be insubordinate for so long that someone would actually have to do something about it, fill out a bunch of paperwork, have that person fill out paperwork, go through some sort of review, wait 8 months, etc. And it pays pretty well. I'm now paying for my beyonce's living expenses while she goes to grad school for 3 years. I can't afford to quit at this point. what the fuck do I do? am I supposed to just man up and act like it's the 1950s and suffer through it? the way that most people at work seem to deal with it is just to...not actually work? and gradually lose all responsibilities? but keep getting real paid, and shake heads in astonishment when some young whippersnapper comes in from straight from grad school and actually wants to do stuff? this shit is like brazil, i can't cope
― Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 00:40 (fifteen years ago)
Dear all full-time ILX0rs how can any of you hate your jobs so much when you get to spend all day on ILX? Just askin'-I wish I could. ZS I feel for you tho you seem like one of the more talented people on the planet and your kind should blossom not suffer under fools or foolish systems.
― soviet, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:45 (fifteen years ago)
zs is a transfer possible? stay paid, move to somewhere a little less soul-draining? i feel you though man, been there. at least you're doing some good for the girl, there's that.
― 156, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:54 (fifteen years ago)
jesus this isn't the fifties.....
― thank god i can relocate to another country (u s steel), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 01:57 (fifteen years ago)
that sucks ZS. my only suggestion is to try and make your home life as good as possible? use your job to finance some pursuits or hobbies? like me, part of the reason I'm sticking with my job is to finance my photography hobby. I dunno. wish I could be of more help. \(o_O)/
― dayo, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:02 (fifteen years ago)
haha, thanks for the advice, which would be helpful if I would have the guts to follow it! I watched the beginning of Joe Vs. the Volcano last night and it felt like an accurate portrayal of my work environment. I thought I had a pretty high tolerance for total bullshit at work but here I am a year and a half in and I feel like my life is over, totally over.
I have to get out, but I can't afford to leave now...everyday I scan for other jobs that I think I would have a chance at in the area, but everything says "5-7 years experience in the area of -insert vague area I'm working in-", and I'm left with the thought of "ok I guess I should stick it out here for another 4-6 years and then I'll be ready to apply for this other job and then-"
― Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:17 (fifteen years ago)
but yeah it sounds like your situation totally sucks. my mom has been working as an accountant for 20 years now, has another 10 to go before she can retire. she really hates it, finds it monotonous and full of drudgery, but she sticks with it for the paycheck and the stability.
― dayo, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:20 (fifteen years ago)
I used to think five years was a really long time until I got older. It's like nothing. I don't think it's fair though that people think they can judge based on your lack of experience.
― thank god i can relocate to another country (u s steel), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:21 (fifteen years ago)
i don't know, 5 years may be nothing, but 5 or 6 more nothings and I'm in the zone where I'm a few nothings away from dying. I can't stand the thought of wittling away the years where I can still climb a few flights of stairs without whining to everyone within shouting distance staring at the computer, working on version two billion of some stupid contract proposal that is a waste of time and money for everyone.
or sitting through meetings where the main topic is that we're not spending money FAST ENOUGH.
― Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:28 (fifteen years ago)
couple thoughts
― max, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 02:31 (fifteen years ago)
those are really good thoughts.
on that third bullet, you got really luck, at least twice, but was it the result of applying to jobs you thought you had no chance at? i'm thinking i need to stop being such a weenie and at least put my hat in the ring for some of these jobs. thanks for the good advice.
― Z S, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:47 (fifteen years ago)
um, the luck i had was both about getting jobs i wanted, but less applying to stuff i didnt think i had a chance at and more the luck of being in the right place at the right time? but the thing is, there are things you can do to put yourself in "the right place" like let word get around that youre looking for something else, and, yeah, putting your hat in the ring
― max, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 03:52 (fifteen years ago)
zs, what about looking at startups? it seems like your field (energy iirc?) would have lots of new businesses popping up, and hopefully they'd be less about 5-7 yrs and more about ENTHUSIASM? set up google alerts not for job listings but for press releases in your field and your geo location, and then cover letter the fuck out of them, tell em why ur #1. you might just hit it off with ppl that are not only in the same field but also of the same age/mentality.
i <3 how max's advice in multiple threads is 'take walks.' srsly.
also, u are the most gifted gifmaker i have ever seen. not like this is a future job, but blog w/those 3x a week abt current events and then someone picks it up and who knows where that leads. it sounds silly but u have a talent so why not put it out there beyond ilx? zs gifs>>>>hipster puppies imo
― 156, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:17 (fifteen years ago)
i think i give that advice a lot because i wish i took it more often
― max, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:20 (fifteen years ago)
One day this will stop being my life.
But at least in this job, if I say "can I just finish this email first...?" my boss (who is A++++ star magnificent and the only reason I stay) just shrugs and says "yeah, no problem, so long as it gets done."
― Karen D. Tregaskin, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:28 (fifteen years ago)
My only job hatred at the minute involves the wife of our founder, who in the past couple of years has wandered from her empty nest into the office, been given a directorship by her husband, and now spends her days micromanaging people 1/3 to 1/2 her age while invoking the idea that we're all a family together. To be at the mercy of the whims of a bosswife who thinks she's Anita Roddick 2.0 but is demonstrably self-absorbed and undermining of other people's children is just galling.
― winston burchill (suzy), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 10:00 (fifteen years ago)
..otherwise I love my job and am genuinely pleased with the work I've done this year, bosswife's husband is a good boss for a guy my mom's age, and my working relationship with him is fine.
― winston burchill (suzy), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 10:02 (fifteen years ago)
can hardly stand my job anymore. Each week I have the moment where I tell myself "this is the worst day I've ever had at work", and then a few days later I break the record again. I feel so, so irrelevant. And, worse, I feel like I'm becoming a bad person. Like, I'm snapping at people, I'm rolling my eyes, I'm totally debbie downer. It's not just affecting my life outside of work, it's subsuming it. I FEEL LIKE A SHELL OF A MAN. I FEEL LIKE REFERENCING AWFUL CLICHES. I FEEL LIKE SAYING 'I HATE MY JOB'― Z S, Wednesday, September 1, 2010 12:40 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ZS-two-years-ago, are you me-right-now? how did this play out, did you quit?
― auscozeichnet (cozen), Saturday, 20 July 2013 20:18 (twelve years ago)
if you break it down I cd have the best job in the world: well paid, stable, little responsibility, little micromanaging, my own boss, unltd internet access, super easy work, 9-5, coffee and chat breaks on the reg
but it's just so dull and unfulfilling and I'm surrounded by super-entitled private-school gold-club-member rugby-playing dweebs and there's no challenge, prospects or training
tempted to just chuck and go cycle round scotland, then europe, selling coffee from the back of my bike
― auscozeichnet (cozen), Saturday, 20 July 2013 20:24 (twelve years ago)
golf*
i'm...still there. in fact, today is my 4 year anniversary of starting the job. there are still days/weeks that are just completely awful. record breakers. i guess the difference is that now i can take it because there's a tangible end in sight. next spring i'm going to be leaving (moving to wherever my gf decides to go for her phd).
― Z S, Saturday, 20 July 2013 23:03 (twelve years ago)
there are times when I remember that bit in Secretary where Maggie Gyllenhaal brings a "sewing kit" with razors to work, and i think, that's not a bad idea
― Nhex, Thursday, 14 November 2013 16:04 (twelve years ago)
fuck my job
― paolo, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 14:18 (twelve years ago)
If I had to work in this job for the next thirty five years and there was no way I could get another then I would take my own life
― paolo, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 14:34 (twelve years ago)
*suicide cult high five*
― Nhex, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 15:53 (twelve years ago)
just google zombies spark plugs and vampires and you're all set!!!!
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:46 (twelve years ago)
god, suzy's initial post itt sounds like such a nightmare.
my job is actually pretty good, because it's very easy to check out, wfh and do other things, and face no consequences for it. which is pretty ideal. but there is constant tension between doing nothing and pretending like i'm doing something that takes effort to process, and that stress gets to me.
the larger issue is that i hate my career or field or whatever you want to call it. i'm attending a conference today and tomorrow. that is, i'm supposed to be. i went to the first session this morning and i could not get out of there fast enough. it was "communications skills for records and information managers." the presenter wasn't bad or anything. but like, as an illustration of the fundamental disconnect i face with my career, at one point we broke out into "teams" and were assigned the task of describing to a "normal person" why records management is important in six words or less. the response in my head was "compared to everything else, it isn't". i hate records management, i hate the rule-focused people who do it, i hate all the things that apparently motivate the people who do it, i hate the government and i hate working for it. and today i'm asking myself, how the fuck did i get here? i think i just picked a path before i understood who i really was. to be fair, that path was archives, which is slightly different than records management, but it's still not a great fit for my strengths and motivations.
so i'm back to facing the fact that i need to work on a career switch, which is where i was two years ago before i landed this job (which i desperately needed). the field i arrived that then was copywriting. i still think it would be a better fit than what i'm doing now. maybe technical writing. but i'm really not motivated to do anything about it until .. the end of summer maybe? even thinking about it is a challenge.
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:11 (three years ago)
grant writing?
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:18 (three years ago)
can be rewarding, and very slightly creative
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:19 (three years ago)
hmm maybe
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:31 (three years ago)
do you do it? if so what do you like about it?
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 14 July 2022 19:32 (three years ago)
fuck going to this conference again, i'm calling in sick tomorrow.
also, hilton will only let you use microsoft edge on their event wifi. fuck you hilton.
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Friday, 15 July 2022 02:20 (three years ago)
Problems of the privileged, but I am applying for a promotion kind’ve out of resentment, I’ve done a lot of good shit and watched people who are good at checking the boxes sprint past me. Anyway the process is highly corrosive to the soul, talking myself up with fingers in ears at the shrieking void of all the ways I want to negate and contradict what I’m writing. And the end result is being evaluated by the climbers and glib self-congratulators I despise. That’s what you get when you’re managed by academics I guess. At least my boss is a good guy and my senior colleague mentoring me is one of the good people, her elevation was pure merit and hard work so that helps. Anyway, it’s an expression of loathing at the job, and good to remind myself I live in a privilege bubble.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 15 July 2022 21:51 (three years ago)