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I am an unapologetic tart for the oscars. I stay up to watch it live even though it's on in the UK at some ridiculous hour, I do Oscars picks with willing companions, I even tolerate Joan Rivers for an evening (though no red carpet this year :( . I have on occasion watched it twice. Am I insane?

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)

You had me until the end. Why did you watch it twice?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 21 March 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I...don't know.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 21 March 2003 11:13 (twenty-three years ago)

OK just saw backslaps ? check. red carpets ? still not sure. tearful speeches ? we'll see.

sorry

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 21 March 2003 12:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Never mind. We'll do it twice in honour of your Oscar watching skeelz.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 21 March 2003 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

What celebs are not turning up this year, and which ones are going to turn up wearing (probably) white ribbons and embarrass everybody including themselves?

― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 22 March 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

The Oscars are very positively dud. Just a big load of mutual back-slapping, and most of the frocks look *crap*.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:31 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...

It's ...almost that time again. I have something fun planned...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(The ceremony has been moved forward to February as of this year)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(and you planned that?)

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm totally with you, Adam. I'm a total sucker for the Oscars, and a lot of my movie-dork friends are, too. (Brian, who made the comment about Northfork, regularly sends out predictions by e-mail; we usually have a big party on Oscar night.) I haven't been tracking it this year as much as I have in years past -- partly because Zeusefer's site (which was brilliant) doesn't seem to be in effect this year. But I still look forward to the ceremony as much as ever.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay for Brian!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it makes sense for the ceremony to be in February now -- with Golden Globes and critics' awards coming into greater prominence, the Oscars have begun to feel a little anticlimactic. At the same time, I'm a bit disappointed because they were often around my birthday in late March, and Oscar parties doubled as birthday parties.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay for Brian!

Dude, I need to introduce you two.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think people should give each other presents on Oscar Day. And we should have the day off school as well.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Horace, I'm recommending that the Academy put you forward for Best Canadian Music Writer In A Supporting Comedic Role. Make sure you wear something nice for Joan Rivers.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The irony is that Sean Penn should have won an Oscar way back when he played Spiccoli, not for any of the stuff he did in Mystic River or 21g!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, let me take this opportunity to mention The Falcon And The Snowman:

The Falcon And The Snowman.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it wrong that I still think of Spicoli almost every time I see Sean Penn in a movie?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Theron for Monster a lock?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

For win? No. For nomination? Yes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it wrong that I still think of Spicoli almost every time I see Sean Penn in a movie?

Well, it's not as bad as lusting over Drew Barrymore in ET...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

if the ceremony is in february now (which is good) the nominations must be coming very soon.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I know!

When, I wonder?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

February the 29th actually - does this mean they are every 4 years now?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

as opposed to four years long!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Nominations are still a few weeks away, I think. I believe that part of the reason they moved it up was to cut down on the time between nominations and the ceremony -- like 4 weeks instead of 6.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

January 2, 2004: Nominations ballots mailed.
January 17, 2004: Nominations polls close 5 p.m. PST.
January 27, 2004: Nominations announced 5:30 a.m. PST, Samuel Goldwyn Theater.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

cripes, I should check my mailbox.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit, that's no time at all! We better start getting ready - Does anyone know a good stylist? Mine is in St Kitts until the middle of next month.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-p)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

To follow up on the Theron comment -- Naomi Watts has been winning just as many Best Actress awards from critics. There's also speculation that Diane Keaton could win on the basis of the sentimental vote.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, we should have our own Oscar predictions here!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I was planning on doing the Yahoo Oscar picks on ILX if anyone is interested...it's a lot of fun.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know anything about that; tell me more.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Please make sure to post your predictions. I lose our office Oscar poll every single year because I A) never see any movies B) have the worst blind-guess skills. Y'all can help me cheat.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's kind of a Fantasy League for the Oscars. Everyone picks in each category and gets points for correct prediction. The winner may bask in the glory of seeing their name atop a computer-generated league table.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I really DO think Sean Penn will win this year. I know that this is pretty much consensus and probably tempting fate, but it would be nice to hear a speech from him. Even better if he cries, because he looks like a baby when he does.

I would like Russell Crowe and Renee Zellweger to win, and I am not generally a fan of either.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Who else will be nominated in the leading actor/actress categories?

Jude and Nicole?

Spellbound will win something, I expect.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, didn't Sean Penn go to Iraq about a year ago and french kiss Saddam Hussein for 60 Minutes? Or maybe I'm misinterpreting the No Sping Zone again. But don't you think the O'Reilly Factor could seriously work against Penn?
Cuz doesn't Bill O'Liely OWN Hollywood?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, there is an article in one of the local weeklies here that suggests that Sean Penn's two recent roles are "apologies" for his behaviour over Iraq and that, in a way, he is the conscience of America in 21 Grams and Mystic River for seeking vengeance and kind of getting away with it but building his own coffin in the process or something...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Which I guess isn't an apology as such. Whatever, the East Bay Express sucks.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

but didn't he make those movies BEFORE going to Iraq?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm psyched! we have a party every year and a big betting pool, which I've won 1.5 times!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

oh I guess we have to wait until the noms, huh?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Once I placed quite well in the Reel.com Oscar thingy, which gave you $10 grand and based on odds yada yada and I put everything I had on Michael Caine in supporting (on a hit tip from Ebert!) and he was like 5-1 odds but one other longer shot won so I didn't even place in the top 50.

― Leee Smith (Leee), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the only two locks for Actor are Sean Penn and Bill Murray. Some other possibilities include Jude Law, Russell Crowe, Tom Cruise, Ben Kingsley, and Johnny Depp.

In addition to Theron, Watts, and Keaton (who are probably all locks), look out for Nicole Kidman, Scarlett Johansson, Uma Thurman, and Jennifer Connelly.

Spellbound, if I recall correctly, was nominated for Best Doc last year. Eligible films this year that have gotten widespread attention: Capturing the Friedmans, The Fog of War, and Bus 174.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

behaviour over iraq?

whats that?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, Bus 174 looks great.

I didn't know that about Spellbound.

I forgot about Johnny Depp! That would be fun.

So would Bill Murray even if I didn't like Lost In Translation.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

but didn't he make those movies BEFORE going to Iraq?

God, I hate how every artwork that's been released in the last 9 months has been called a metaphor for the war in Iraq/U.S. imperialism, etc.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'm skeptical about Depp's chances, but the performance HAS been noticed quite a bit in the year-end awards.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I never win my Oscar pools. I usually vote on the wrong long-shots. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that gets me too. And how every year is touted as a return to "the weighty filmmaking of the seventies".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Jed - I don't remember what he did exactly, other than that he was "lambasted" for being "outspoken".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

See also Tim Robbins, Richard Gere, etc etc

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"the weighty filmmaking of the seventies".
you're talking about Brando right?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

No -- Divine.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

to win you gotta concentrate on the less-glamourous categories like best documentary short subject! that's where the REAL action is

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh, I think we usually only award half a point for those.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

What about the technical awards? If you know your sound recordists well enough, you can make out like John Dillinger!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

that is a bad system! (no offense) (xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Oscar picks rockism is a glorious thing.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

No offense taken! I didn't come up with it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I just realized that we'll likely soon be hearing the phrase "three-time Oscar nominee Renee Zellweger."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Oscars are my favorite spectator sport, and seriously that's all I consider them: sociological test-cases, like chess for dummies. That said, I do love them in this respect. Not caring about the "best candidate" winning helped me stop getting angry over them.

FYI, the documentaries on the short list for nominations (that is to say: the nominations before the nominations) are:

Balseros
Bus 174
Capturing the Friedmans
Charlie: The Life and Art of Charles Chaplin
The Fog of War
Heir to an Executioner
Inheritance: A Fisherman's Story
My Architect
My Flesh and Blood
The Agronomist
The Lost Boys of Sudan
The Weather Underground

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

And Nicole's not doing to bad, either. Both will be three in the last three years, monotonously enough.

For the hell of it, here's my uninformed guesses as to the probable nominees:

BEST PICTURE
Cold Mountain
n America
Lord of the Rings: The Third
Mystic River
Seabiscuit

BEST DIRECTOR
Sofia Coppola, Lost in Translation
Clint Eastwood, Mystic River
Peter Jackson, Lord of the Rings, v.3
Anthony Minghella, Cold Mountain
Jim Sheridan, In America

BEST ACTOR
Paddy Constantine, In America
Johnny Depp, Pirates of the Carribbean
Ben Kingsley, House of Sand and Fog
Bill Murray, Lost in Translation
Sean Penn, Mystic River

BEST ACTRESS
Diane Keaton, Something's Gotta Give
Nicole Kidman, Cold Mountain
Samantha Morton, In America
Charlize Theron, Monster
Uma Thurman, Kill Bill, Vol. 1

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Alec Baldwin, The Cooler
Paul Bettany, Master and Commander
Albert Finney, Big Fish
Tim Robbins, Mystic River
Peter Sarsgaard, Shattered Glass

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Shohreh Aghdashloo, House of Sand and Fog
Patricia Clarkson, Pieces of April
Marcia Gay Harden, Mystic River
Catherine O'Hara, A Mighty Wind
Renee Zellweger, Cold Mountain

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Though, a week ago, I would'a said Big Fish a lot more times here and In America a lot less.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Where is all this love for In America coming from?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's my main comment on your list, Eric. I think the buzz for In America is fading VERY fast. The only notable nomination I think it could score is Original Screenplay. Notable in its absence on your list is Master and Commander, which has just been given a PGA nod, and Peter Weir a DGA nod. I'd say it stands a far better shot at picture than In America (FWIW, I'd say Last Samurai does, too.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

And likewise, I'd replace Sheridan, Considine, and Morton with Weir, Crowe, and Naomi Watts.

Catherine O'Hara? I know Eugene Levy got an Best Supporting nod from either National Board of Review or New York Film Critics Circle -- but I haven't seen any support for O'Hara's performance.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry, don't mean to be nit-picky. This is fun for me, too.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: Master & Commander. It's called denial, and it usually plays a big part in my pre-nomination predictions. I also usually hate being too predictable, since usually one or two weird things pop on on nominations morning (which I usually make a much bigger point about watching than the actually Oscars themselves, sometimes).

Here I was thinking Uma would be my most controversial prediction.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It is! ;)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

in america has gotten incredible reviews but I don't know a single person who wants to see it because it looks unbearably boring.

I haven't seen any Oscar bait films this year, apparently, except for LOTR; they all looked disappointing.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

They ripped off my life story for In America. I will sue if they win anything. Or if Paddy Considine doesn't make me look cool and dangerous enough.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

oh the charm of the oirish!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

what are people's thoughts on best foreign picture noms>

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Best foreign picture winner is always safe and boring. Nowhere In Africa sucked.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(finalists available here)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The Barbarian Invasions is the only one of those that's been released in the U.S., to the best of my knowledge. It doesn't seem like an Oscar-friendly film, however.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder...

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Uma is surprising, but honestly, I think that category has a surprise or two in it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Nowhere in Africa looked insufferable, but I didn't see it instead opting for Russian Ark.

At this point, I'd say it's Barbarian Invasions' award to lose, with Osama shaping up to be a major contender. Last year's Divine Intervention got a pass in this year, due to Palestine now being recognized as a nation by the Academy apparently. I'd guess that it's still not getting nominated though, despite all that publicity... which truly makes a difference in this category, unlike Best Picture, where it's window-dressing, and the documentary award, where the nominating bodies seem to actively not nominated highly-publicized docs (last year being an unavoidable exception).

(triple x-post)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: actress.

Yes, I'm not ready to buy the EW cover-story on Watts—Theron—Connelly, yet. The SAG nominations always tend to swiftly end doubts, though.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

If the critics ran the foreign-film category (I mean, those who actually watch more than three or four foreign films a year), Turkey's Uzak and Taiwan's Goodbye, Dragon Inn would be the top contenders

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard so many good things about Goodbye, Dragon Inn. Is it going to get US distribution anytime?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Not Barbarian Invasions still, Eric?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's just let Jonathan Rosenbaum pick the foreign film winner.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I was sort of being an elitist prick (which isn't to say that Goodbye and Uzak probably aren't magnificent films). Barbarian Invasions' popularity drops off alarmingly quick going up the film festival snob-scale. Check out its horrible rank on the Village Voice poll. (Then see what's on top on the list of undistributed films.)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, interesting.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's let Jonathan Rosenbaum pick all the winners one year, so he can stop mashing Harvey W.'s nuts all the time and start critiquing films again. (That's for you amateur!st, though if I know you, you've probably stopped reading this thread already.)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 9 January 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

SAG nominees out today:

ACTOR
Johnny Depp, Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (BV)
Peter Dinklage, The Station Agent (Miramax)
Ben Kingsley, House of Sand and Fog (Dreamworks)
Bill Murray, Lost in Translation (Focus)
Sean Penn, Mystic River (WB)

ACTRESS
Patricia Clarkson, The Station Agent (Miramax)
Diane Keaton, Something's Gotta Give (Columbia)
Charlize Theron, Monster (Newmarket)
Naomi Watts, 21 Grams (Focus)
Evan Rachel Wood, Thirteen (Fox Searchlight)

SUPPORTING ACTOR
Alec Baldwin, The Cooler (Lions Gate)
Chris Cooper, Seabiscuit (Universal)
Benicio Del Toro, 21 Grams (Focus)
Tim Robbins, Mystic River (WB)
Ken Watanabe, The Last Samurai (WB)

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Maria Bello, The Cooler (Lions Gate)
Keisha Castle-Hughes, Whale Rider (Newmarket)
Patricia Clarkson, Pieces of April (United)
Holly Hunter, Thirteen (Fox Searchlight)
Renee Zellweger, Cold Mountain (Miramax)

ENSEMBLE
In America
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Mystic River
Seabiscuit
The Station Agent

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHA TOM CRUISE CAN SUCK ON IT

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The big surprise, of course, is The Station Agent racking up noms for actor, actress, and ensemble. I can't see it faring so well at the Oscars, however. I still say Russell Crowe takes that fifth slot that Dinklage has here. And I believe Clarkson is being touted as Supporting Actress for both The Station Agent and Pieces of April. SAG does this all the time; in the last few years, it's given lead awards to Benicio del Toro (Traffic) and Jennifer Connelly (A Beautiful Mind), even though they were considered supporting roles by the Academy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

But I have to believe that this doesn't fare well for Cold Mountain, with both Kidman and Law losing out.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Ta, Jaymc....missed seeing the nominations this morn. But that SAG list screams Kleenex (for WEEPING, so move those hands!). Seabiscuit will prolly win for the tear factor.

Undecided whether I'll bother vegging for the Oscars this year, though

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I just noticed another interesting thing about the SAG noms: Two of the films up for Ensemble (In America and LOTR) didn't receive a single individual nomination. I'm curious how common that is.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

But I have to believe that this doesn't fare well for Cold Mountain, with both Kidman and Law losing out.

...is that supposed to be a bad thing? Haven't seen this movie yet, but it looks pretty terrible.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I don't have a lot of interest in it, myself, but I think it was poised to be one of the big Oscar contenders. I'm talking about all of this from a purely objective POV. (Although I like that SAG went for a lot of indies this year.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a nice surprise.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

After all these critics awards have come out, I'm kicking myself for not seeing The Station Agent.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

What's it about? Never heard of that....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0340377/

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yipes. After too many years of watching precursors roll out and, without fail, bringing mild shocks with them, I was sort of expecting a little bit more predictibility this year (after seemingly ever other guild -- editors, cinematographers -- seemingly decided there was nothing wrong with using their awards as a forum to guess the Oscar nominees for Best Picture).

A couple sports-column-like observations-stats...

Jennifer Connelly (without a Globe or SAG nod) is pretty damned out of this race now.

Even if Patricia Clarkson managed to get in for two nods, I still think she's going to have sincere trouble getting one now (taking the vote-split into account, since she's being pushed for supporting for both). Scarlet Johannson will have to hope for a Globe win now to keep her head above water.

The Station Agent?... looks like one of those The Birdcage situations that I don't expect to repeat come Oscar nod morning. On the other hand, the wind seems to be officially out of Cold Mountain's sails. And In America is probably not going to get all those nominations I predicted above, but is still limping towards a Best Pic nomination (on the grace of Cold Mountain, perhaps?).

So Depp is a more popular pirate than Crowe? What I've been predicting all along thank you.

Softer support for Marcia Gay Harden than I thought (I was thinking next to Zellweger, she was the frontrunner of her category). Also, Keisha Castle-Hughes. That should make a lot of people I don't particularly share much taste in films with pretty happy.

Seabiscuit is going to get this year's Chocolat slot. A "damn the critics, full speed ahead" nod towards the emotion-driven, historically-America-centric type of "excellence" the Academy just eats up. Should've seen this one coming.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and my favorite long-shots Uma Thurman and Peter Sarsgaard began their obligatory descent into my overflowing bin of "you were really kidding yourself there, Eric" Oscar favorites.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been getting really confused about the buzz re: Master and Commander. It opened huge at the box office -- which seemed to bode well for an Oscar contender -- but then dropped off fairly quickly. Then it started showing up on a lot of critics' lists/awards. But now Crowe and Bettany miss SAG noms. Is it the kind of movie, though, that won't fair well with the SAG crowd but could benefit from its inevitable technical nominations (i.e., Oscar voters start voting for it across the board)?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Sarsgaard is out just yet. A friend of mine did a little experiment where he looked at the five most-cited winners of critics' awards, the five Golden Globe nominees, and the five SAG nominees. For Supporting Actor, Baldwin and Robbins are the only actors who have appeared on all three lists. But on two of the three lists are: Del Toro, Watanabe, and Sarsgaard.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(Actually, what was most interesting about that experiment is that Evan Rachel Wood was also on all three lists -- which means she may become the youngest person to score an Oscar nomination for a lead role.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. Best picture is almost always basically a culmination of the volume of nominations in all the other categories (almost invariably, the top 5 most nominated pictures are also not-coincidentally the 5 Best Pic nominees). Since the guild awards have all been all to happy to go with [i]LotR[/i], [i]Master and Commander[/i], and [i]Cold Mountain[/i], I think all three stand a pretty good shot at making the final list. Of course, the largest voting is actors, so add that to the mix and we're looking at a scenario where [i]Seabiscuit[/i] stands to be the overall nominations leader. (... oh shit!!!)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Said friend just wrote me and said that his formula would have predicted 19 of 20 nominees last year.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

And I agree that if I were to predict Best Picture now, I'd go with the four you just mentioned, plus Mystic River.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, last year many of the frontrunners (Gangs of New York aside) seemed to be genuinely liked across the board. Lord of the Rings aside, every picture I can think of in the Oscar race has its share of detractors.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

But I have to believe that this doesn't fare well for Cold Mountain, with both Kidman and Law losing out.

It was a marginal performance for Kidman, and Law was merely good. The reason these two are getting so little traction is because the movie was weaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak.

Jackson will win Best Director.

― don weiner, Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Have the Oscars ever been 100% about movies actually being more than merely good?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha.

John Hurt threatens to resign from the Academy if "Lost in Translation" wins anything.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, does this have to happen to every movie the critics like?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anybody besides me find it even slightly plausible that Sean Astin might get nominated for Best Supporting for the Samwise?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Author Frederick Forsyth was equally unimpressed, declaring that he had difficulty staying awake for the duration, 'it was better than
barbiturates,' he said.

This actually interests me in seeing Lost in Translation finally!

Does anybody besides me find it even slightly plausible that Sean Astin might get nominated for Best Supporting for the Samwise?

I am hoping for just that result.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick (and Ned), he is the only candidate LOTR has for an acting nomination. (Mortensen was suggested early, but since the movie's come out, Astin has gotten most of the attention.) And I think he's definitely in the Top 10 contenders -- but at this point, probably #8 or #9.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick (and Ned), he is the only candidate LOTR has for an acting nomination.

Yay! (Aside from Serkis dammit but NO I'M NOT BITTER.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I sort of think voters have to specifically get tired of the Ken Watanabe buzz before they can move onto another candidate from an action movie. Up until today, I thought that would happen, but now once again I'm guessing not.

Then again, there is that sore thumb Seabiscuit nomination that is sure to not be repeated.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

This is probably the Top 10 for Supporting Actor: 1. Robbins 2. Baldwin 3. Del Toro 4. Watanabe 5. Bettany 6. Finney 7. Sarsgaard 8. Macy 9. Astin 10. Hounsou.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Seabiscuit has been odd in terms of acting candidates. Bridges got most of the attention when the film was in theaters -- but Macy picked up the Golden Globe nomination. And now Cooper. I have a feeling this kills any of their chances.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

2. Baldwin

Fact: Alec Baldwin winning an Oscar is as likely as LOTR winning for anywhere other than in the tech or makeup categories (and after 2 years of hoping and losing, bet your arse I'M bitter!)

He wins, time for boils and curses on la Academy members....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Return of the King will take best picture. I've never been more certain of anything as far as these things go.

So maybe ol' Alec has a chance. What would he be nominated for, his enchanting performance in Cat in the Hat?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The prospect of Johnny Depp winning Best Actor fills me with glee, but to be honest I'll just be happy with Tom Cruise not getting a nomination.

Also, I can definitely believe that now they've made all the pictures, LOTR could win best picture.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Just for the hell of it, I order your likely very accurate ten candidates like so...

Robbins
Del Toro
Baldwin
Watanabe
Sarsgaard
Astin
Bettany
Finney

and then the other two, who don't look likely at all to me.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I couldn't have predicted it, but the only thing stopping LotR from a Best Picture win isn't Cold Mountain or Mystic River but Seabiscuit. A Beautiful Mind round 2, anyone?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, I can definitely believe that now they've made all the pictures, LOTR could win best picture

In terms of sheer artistic achievement, LOTR should win....but it might not (since neither Cruise or Crowe star to mug in it).

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

People on my upthread predictions that are hereby crossed off (I'll replace them after some thought, though now I think an Evan Rachel Wood nod is almost inevitable):

In America
Paddy Constantine, In America
Samantha Morton, In America
Uma Thurman, Kill Bill, Vol. 1
Paul Bettany, Master and Commander
Albert Finney, Big Fish
Catherine O'Hara, A Mighty Wind

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't Evan Rachel Wood Frodo's little sister?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Lord of the Rings will take Best Picture. I really can't see ANYTHING standing in its way.

Nick: Alec Baldwin will be nominated for The Cooler. He won't win, but the nom is VERY likely.

Eric: I only put Hounsou on the list because I needed a #10. Macy's on there because of his Golden Globe nom.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I would LOVE IT if Baldwin was nominated for "The Cat In The Hat"! Not that I saw the movie or anything, it would just be funny.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The real question is, Who's going to be nominated for the Golden Raspberries?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Alec Baldwin and Uma Thurman, step forward for your shining moment!

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

That's almost too easy. Gigli for the sweep, Cat in the Hat as a spoiler. Hulk might be this year's "bad reputation but it's actually pretty good" nominee, not unlike Showgirls.

Would that that were true, Nichole.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Why do people speak ill of Uma? Do you WANT to make the Baby Jesus cry?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Nichole might be taking the piss, but I'm not. Uma was frickin' great!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'm thinking Worst Actor might be:

Ben Affleck, Gigli
Eric Bana, The Hulk
Cuba Gooding, Jr., Boat Trip
Mike Myers, Cat in the Hat
The kangaroo, Kangaroo Jack

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Uma was frickin' great!

In Pulp Fiction, Uma was FAB, and I've seen her in other flicks, so usually I like her major.

However, Kill Bill was a waste of true talent. Tarantino was just repeating a gimmick.

So, piss-taking here is just too easy when she opens the door.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought she was pretty fantastic in Kill Bill, but I doubt she will be recognized for her performance.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't they just give a career nomination to Cuba "Will Smith is stealing all my roles" Gooding?

And there should be some sort of award for Anthony Anderson. Not _the_ worst actor, not _the_ worst movies, but consistency and stamina in sucking, nonetheless.

Which gimmick was that, Nichole?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

On the contrary, the only two even competent, let alone fantastic, performances I've seen Ms. Thurman give have been the two directed by Tarantino. She very well might be a terrible actress that only Tarantino knows how to use effectively.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

She was pretty good in "Gattaca".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright. Anything connected with Tarantino or Ethan Hawke.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

the academy seems to like middle of the road, non genre, lift yr spirits dramas...sea biscuit will get a huge no. of nods.

i dont think that cold mountain has got enough buzz, but 13 will give the lead something, and im pretty sure that bill murrary will pick up a nod as well.

(also i wouldnt be surprised if i saw a mirren for calendar girls or a thompson for love actually in supporting.)

― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I would.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the english dames do comedy is a standard, gives some class.

(plus thompson is the best female acting ive seen all fucking year, and i go to a movie a week. )

― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Which gimmick was that, Nichole?

The blood and gore dynamic Tarantino's running: "Let's keep the desensitized masses happy by tossing even more violent scenes at them [and pretend it has a point]". Tis way tired at this point, IMHO.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and my favorite long-shots Uma Thurman and Peter Sarsgaard began their obligatory descent into my overflowing bin of "you were really kidding yourself there, Eric" Oscar favorites.

you a fan of "shattered glass" too, eric?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, I'd only be surprised, Anthony, because neither has gotten very much buzz. Mirren has a Golden Globe nomination, but it's in Comedy, and usually only one of the comedy nominees makes it into the Final 5 for the Oscars. It'll be Keaton. (I mean, one of the other Globe nominees is Diane Lane for Under the Tuscan Sun!) Also, Calendar Girls doesn't seem to have become a big crossover hit, a la The Full Monty. Emma Thompson has even less of a chance. She's gotten hardly any precurson awards, and I'd say there are at least 10 actresses with a better shot than her.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to let someone else address Nichole's last post, which I can't even begin to fathom.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Shattered Glass is another film I'm now disappointed I missed.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't see it. But I loved him in Boys Don't Cry and remember him being pretty good in Dead Man Walking. After thinking he was ready to get totally typecast as rural trash, I'm primed to see him go white-collar.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The blood and gore dynamic Tarantino's running: "Let's keep the desensitized masses happy by tossing even more violent scenes at them [and pretend it has a point]". Tis way tired at this point, IMHO.

Have you ever seen an anime film, Nichole?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

well let me just say this: shattered glass is really good and you should see it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually see Emma Thompson as being in the 6-10 group. She probably won't get a nod, but at this point she's probably as good a bet as Shohreh or Keisha.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to let someone else address Nichole's last post, which I can't even begin to fathom.

Needs to be clearer? Fine, I'll try again: Other than a few TV directing credits, Tarantino started the main thrust of his directing career with Resevoir Dogs, which actually HAD a flowing story, so the violence wasn't fully gratuitous. Based on that film's success, each of his successive stories kept a similar pattern: whip out the guns and blast away to solve a problem (in KB's case it was swords, but that's splitting hairs) or so a character can express how bad-ass they are.

Based on Kill Bill's box-office success, tis evident his blood and gore formula works for most of the viewing audience, who prolly relate to it on some level. However, this doesn't make the films any more watchable. {Again, tis just me]

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you ever seen an anime film, Nichole?

Indeedy. However, ask how many of them I actually liked (or remember), Master P.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, have you ever seen "Jackie Brown"?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually see Emma Thompson as being in the 6-10 group. She probably won't get a nod, but at this point she's probably as good a bet as Shohreh or Keisha.

Really? Maybe I've been looking at different prognosticators than you have. Actually, I'd agree that she could be as likely as Keisha Castle-Hughes, but that's because I don't think she has much of a shot, either. But I think Aghdashloo does.

Let's see if I can do a Top 10 candidates for Supporting Actress: 1. Renee Zellweger 2. Patricia Clarkson 3. Holly Hunter 4. Marcia Gay Harden 5. Maria Bello 6. Shohreh Aghdashloo 7. Hope Davis 8. Scarlett Johansson ...

Actually, you know what? I think that's it. I think all other candidates are out of contention. I thought about adding Laura Linney and maybe Julie Walters, but they seem like such long shots at this point. Same goes for Thompson and Castle-Hughes, as far as I'm concerned.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you tell I'm not getting ANY work done today?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I probably just took Damien Bona (author of the Inside Oscar books) at his word when he suggested on an Oscar discussion board that Emma Thompson was his dark horse nomination pick of the year. Of course, mine is Uma Thurman, and I'm guessing neither will make it. Hell, the last time I nailed a dark horse candidate was Ethan Hawke in '01.

And it's probably telling that you bring up Reservoir Dogs, Nichole, which is SO the barometer in telling people's opinions on Tarantino. I've yet to find someone who loved BOTH Reservoir Dogs AND Tarantino's last two films. Reservoir Dogs is the only Tarantino film I litterally can't stand... as in I think it's perhaps one of the worst movies of 1992... which was a particularly awful year...

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 16 January 2004 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I've yet to find someone who loved BOTH Reservoir Dogs AND Tarantino's last two films.

Uh, hi.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 16 January 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Equally? Damn, you're hardcore!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 16 January 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I only saw Reservoir once but wasn't too keen on it. I've liked the other three a good bit, though.

Eric, where do you go for Oscar tips, besides just paying attention to all the precursor awards and nominations? Around this time of year, I'm checking Oscar Watch and The Film Experience every few days or so.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The Film Experience is the best. As far as more interactive discourse, though, I've been known to stop by at the Unofficial Academy Awards Discussion Board ev'r now and again. Probably the most popular is GoldDerby, but the fanboyishness of the site ("Sean Astin will WIN THE FUCKING AWARDS!!!!") ensures that lurking is all I'll do there, mostly.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The only Tarantino-related film I haven't liked is "From Dusk 'Til Dawn", largely because of the stupid stupid plot.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 January 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

what did people think of naomi watts in the movie she has been nomintaed for (I ask bcz I watched the remake of the ring last sunday)?

has bill murray won an oscar before?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

No, not even nominated.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked 21 Grams and think Watts' performance is certainly nomination-worthy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Not my favorite female performance of the year, but up there.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I should say here that my tastes and Oscars run on two separate rail lines. I haven't seen much, but my favorite performances of the year included Casey Afflect (Gerry), Mania Akbari (Ten) and Chiaki Kuriyama (Kill Bill).

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, my favorite female performance of the year was Zooey Deschanel in All the Real Girls.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 January 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Oscar predictions I half-wrote.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Bafta Nominations

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

My own mild differences in predictions from the article are:

PICTURE: instead of Lost in Translation, I suspect it will be In America
DIRECTOR: Jim Sheridan instead of Peter Weir
ACTOR: Paddy Considine instead of Jude Law
ACTRESS: Uma Thurman instead of Nicold Kidman (wishful thinking, surely)
S.ACTOR: Peter Saarsgard instead of Ken Watanabe
S.ACTRESS: Shorheh Aghdashloo instead of Marcia Gay Harden

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Eric, why do you still think that In America will be rewarded?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

It just seems a lot more Academy friendly than Lost in Translation, that's all.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It does. It has the basquiat vance factor which the academy loves.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, I agree with you that In America is more likely than Lost in Translation -- but I still think it'll be Master and Comamnder (in which case, Weir hangs on). And Law seems much more likely than Considine.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry to belabor that point. But also, you confused me because of this from upthread:

~~In America~~
~~Paddy Constantine, In America~~
~~Samantha Morton, In America~~

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I waffle a lot.

Do you really think the actors' branch (the most sizable of all of them) will sit still for four epics in the Best Picture category? I can't remember the last time that happened.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

K-blimey, just noticed the Rza and Kevin Shields both nominated for BAFTAs (but ignored for Golden Globes, in favour of the usual suspects)

P.S. I'm glad this thread exists: some ppl are clearly even more obsessed than me by these nomination things.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be funny to see Ned win a bafta.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Woohoo! I'm all dolled up and ready to go.

The only Tarantino-related film I haven't liked is "From Dusk 'Til Dawn", largely because of the stupid stupid plot.

...you watched that for the plot.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

So, I suppose the most dignified-looking Doc line-up would be this:

Balseros
Bus 174
Capturing the Friedmans
The Fog of War
My Architect

Who wants to bet it will end up looking more like this:

Charlie: The Life and Art of Charles Chaplin
Heir to an Executioner
Inheritance: A Fisherman's Story
My Flesh and Blood
The Lost Boys of Sudan

Well, I suppose Capturing the Friedmans is probably high enough on everyone's radar to get into the final five, but it can't possibly win.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

...you watched that for the plot.

No, I watched it for the vampires, but when they showed up they were butt-stupid and boring.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, sanity returns here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Eric, I know the critical buzz is very high on Bus 174 -- what do you see preventing it from getting nominated? Or did I just answer my own question?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

is the fog of war eligible for nomination? didn't it not open anywhere until January?

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I really have no clue as to what makes a doc eligible. For all I know or suspect, there could be some sort of registration fee.

jaymc, yep you answered your own question, mostly. I would only add that the doc committee (or whatever they're called) seems to strongly prefer movies with uplifting themes...

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Kyle, The Fog of War opened in NYC and LA in late December.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I just checked the AMPAS site, and it doesn't look like the eligibility rules for documentary features are that much different than for regular features.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, wait, with one exception: "To be eligible for award consideration for the 2003 awards year, a documentary film must qualify (within two years of the film’s completion date) between October 1, 2002 and August 31, 2003."

So I guess I don't understand why Fog of War is eligible, then.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

In preparation for the nominations which are just a few short days away, the Writers' Guild nominations (which, like the DGA, are moderately hindered as a prognosticator by the fact that they only nominate individuals in the guild):

ORIGINAL
Bend it Like Beckham (Gurinder Chadha, Paul Mayeda Berges and Guljit Bindra)
Dirty Pretty Things (Steven Knight)
In America (Jim, Kirsten and Naomi Sheridan)
Lost in Translation (Sofia Coppola)
The Station Agent (Tom McCarthy)

ADAPTED
American Splendor (Robert Pulcini and Shari Springer Berman)
Cold Mountain (Anthony Minghella)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens and Peter Jackson)
Mystic River (Brian Helgeland)
Seabiscuit (Gary Ross)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 January 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

... they're also hindered by the fact that they nominated Bend It Like Beckham.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 January 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeez, if you thought last night's Golden Globes were boring, take a peek at the unadventurous Razzie line-up.

WORST PICTURE
CAT-IN-THE HAT (Universal/Dreamworks/Imagine)
CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE (Columbia)
FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY (20th Century-Fox)
GIGLI (Columbia/Revolution)
THE REAL CANCUN (New Line)

WORST ACTOR
Ben Affleck / DAREDEVIL, GIGLI and PAYCHECK
Cuba Gooding, Jr. / BOAT TRIP, FIGHTING TEMPTATIONS and RADIO
Justin Guarini / FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY
Ashton Kutcher / CHEAPER by the DOZEN, JUST MARRIED and MY BOSS'S [sic] DAUGHTER
Mike Myers / THE CAT-IN-THE-HAT

WORST ACTRESS
Drew Barrymore / CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE and DUPLEX
Cameron Diaz / CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE
Kelly Clarkson / FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY
Angelina Jolie / BEYOND BORDERS and LARA CROFT TOMB RADER: THE CRADLE of LIFE
Jennifer Lopez / GIGLI

WORST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Anthony Anderson / KANGAROO JACK
Alec Baldwin / THE CAT-IN-THE-HAT
Al Pacino / GIGLI
Sylvester Stallone (Whose 5 Roles Could Fill This ENTIRE Category!) / SPY KIDS 3-D: GAME OVER
Christopher Walken / GIGLI and KANGAROO JACK

WORST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Lanie Kazan / GIGLI
Demi Moore / CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE
Kelly Preston / THE CAT-IN-THE-HAT
Brittany Murphy / JUST MARRIED
Tara Reid / MY BOSS'S [sic] DAUGHTER

WORST SCREEN COUPLE
Ben Affleck & Jennifer Lopez / GIGLI
Eric Christian Olsen & Derek Richardson / DUMB AND DUMBERER
Justin Guarini & Kelly Clarkson / FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY
Ashton Kutcher & EITHER Hilary Duff (CHEAPER by the DOZEN) Brittany Murphy (JUST MARRIED)
and/or Tara Reid (MY BOSS's DAUGHTER)
Mike Myers & EITHER Thing One OR Thing Two / THE CAT-IN-THE-HAT

WORST EXCUSE for an ACTUAL MOVIE (All Concept/No Content!)
2 FAST, 2 FURIOUS
CHARLIE'S ANGLES: FULL THROTTLE
THE CAT-IN-THE-HAT
FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY
THE REAL CANCUN

WORST REMAKE or SEQUEL
2 FAST, 2 FURIOUS
CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE
DUMB & DUMBERER: WHEN HARRY MET LLOYD
FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY (Remake of WHERE THE BOYS ARE)
TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE

WORST DIRECTOR
Martin Brest / GIGLI
Robert Iscove / FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY
Mort Nathan / BOAT TRIP
The Wachowski Brothers / Both MATRIX Sequels
Bo Welch / THE CAT-IN-THE-HAT

WORST SCREENPLAY
THE CAT-IN-THE-HAT
CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE
DUMB AND DUMBERER
FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY
GIGLI

NOMINATIONS PER PICTURE:
GIGLI -- 9
CAT-IN-THE-HAT -- 8
FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY -- 8
CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE -- 7
BOAT TRIP; DUMB & DUMBERER; JUST MARRIED; MY BOSS [sic] DAUGHTER and THE REAL CANCUN -- 2 Each

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I was thinking last night while watching the Globes that although the Oscar nominations are a bit harder to predict than usual, the actual winners seem like foregone conclusions already. Can you imagine the Oscar not going to last night's big six? (Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson, Sean Penn, Charlize Theron, Tim Robbins, Renee Zellweger)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 26 January 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't understand why, if the Razzies are bringing back the fine old oscar tradition of nominating actors for a years work, they only nominate Anthony Anderson for one film.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

If the tepid audience response to Zellweger's win is any indication, Best Supporting Actress might be primed for an upset.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i think that best supporting actress is really up in the air, and i think that keatons win might make a win on the big night, and for sure means at least a nomination.

― anthony, Monday, 26 January 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Can you imagine the Oscar not going to last night's big six? (Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson, Sean Penn, Charlize Theron, Tim Robbins, Renee Zellweger)

I was more amused by the Office winning over Sex in the City: who knew anyone in the Academy actually appreciated dry humour? I could almost swear I could hear the audience going, "Who the hell IS that?"

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Zellweger is best thing in Cold Mountain by a mile. She so funny.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 26 January 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

DUDES!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

@d@m you should make a new thread for tonight methinks

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Consider it done.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 29 February 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

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