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― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

It's one hunded billion, but I believe IQ tests to be fundamentally flawed and ininquitous.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 15 August 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

so....yours would be somewhere along the lines of the national average for Kenya, then, I'd suspect. Can't even spell 'hundred.'

Loser.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

National Average IQ's:

Hong Kong 107 Korea, South 106 Japan 105 Taiwan 104 Singapore 104 Austria 102 Germany 102 Italy 102 Netherlands 102 Sweden 101 Switzerland 101 Belgium 100 China 100 New Zealand 100 U. Kingdom 100 Hungary 99 Poland 99 Australia 98 Denmark 98 France 98 Norway 98 United States 98 Canada 97 Czech Republic 97 Finland 97 Spain 97 Argentina 96 Russia 96 Slovakia 96 Uruguay 96 Portugal 95 Slovenia 95 Israel 94 Romania 94 Bulgaria 93 Ireland 93 Greece 92 Malaysia 92 Thailand 91 Croatia 90 Peru 90 Turkey 90 Colombia 89 Indonesia 89 Suriname 89 Brazil 87 Iraq 87 Mexico 87 Samoa (Western) 87 Tonga 87 Lebanon 86 Philippines 86 Cuba 85 Morocco 85 Fiji 84 Iran 84 Marshall Islands 84 Puerto Rico 84 Egypt 83 India 81 Ecuador 80 Guatemala 79 Barbados 78 Nepal 78 Qatar 78 Zambia 77 Congo (Brazz) 73 Uganda 73 Jamaica 72 Kenya 72 South Africa 72 Sudan 72 Tanzania 72 Ghana 71 Nigeria 67 Guinea 66 Zimbabwe 66 Congo (Zaire) 65 Sierra Leone 64 Ethiopia 63 Guinea 59

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Last time I properly took one (when I was about 13) I got 132, but would surely score much lower these days because I freeze up on the numerical questions, and also have just become stupid.

― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

right on Kim. Higher than mine. (and they say it doesn't vary much -as recently as December, mine was only 2 points higher than when I took it at 16).

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

The last time I took one was when I when I was in my early teens, too. I think it was in the low 140s, but I can't really remember.

― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

somehow, I don't wanna know where roger got that list of "average IQs" by country.

I can't help but think, too, that anyone who would post their IQ to a public message board definitely has a low one.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

They do say it doesn't vary much, but I don't believe them.

That's a bit harsh hstencil - it's just a test. Like N said, it's largely a bullshit one too.

― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, just seems unredeemably stupid an idea to me.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i have been thru 5 iq tests in my childhood, 2 in my adolsecne(sp), and one in my adulthood--in addition to mmpi, rosach, and other standardized testing.

depending on the test, my iq has gone from 89 to 190, with a mean around 170

my parents were pyschologists,

― anthony, Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The results of my Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory were: Borderline Psychopath With A Dash Of Dyspepsia.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

A friend of mine once wrote an entire comedy sketch composed only of lines taken from the MMPI. As I remember it was two guys sitting next to each other at a bus stop. "Do you tend to empathisize with dead animals in the road?" Slow turn of the head. "Uh, do you drink a lot?"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

why are people taking these tests, anyway?!

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't there some jobs that require personality tests, like the FBI or summat?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The Meyers Briggs tests are kind of neat to do.

― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sure there are, it was the iq tests i was wondering about.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

fucking stupid kenyans.

― lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the assumption that by merely posting the National Averages, i'm being somehow politically incorrect or something. I took a dumb time-wasting online IQ test while I waited for the pizza to arrive, then linked to those figures I listed above. But hey, whatever. Maybe aol or Netscape is part of the racist, corportae death machine, right?

I don't find IQ tests to be 'bullshit' at all. But then, I wouldn't - mine's high.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of people do them out of curiosity at how they would do I suppose? My school had us do them yearly and I once did one when applying for a sholarship at another school as well.

― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think IQ tests are bullshit, roger, just posting your results on ILX seems kinda suspect to me. Also, I am genuinely curious where your national survey results came from, as I'd guess the majorities of the populations of the countries on it haven't been tested. How many Americans, for example, have been tested? If not everybody (uh...), then what method are the survey-takers using to extrapolate an average for the whole population? Seems ultra-suspect (though not necessarily racist or right-wing).

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

you must be asian, then.

xpost

― lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, I thought I might have the biggest range, but Anthony beats me by a long way. They're obviously bollocks when mine vary by 47 points, but Anthony's 101 proves it. I have had three scores in the 180s, one of 163 and one of 210. Given how little sense they make I am disinclined to try to imagine what a 'real' value might be. Isn't it obvious they are only testing a very tiny range of what any reasonable person might mean by 'intelligence'? (And that narrow range happens to suit my mind pretty well, I think, which is why I can get high scores.) I mean, I know lots of London ILXers, and there are a whole bunch that I'm certain are more intelligent than me (two who have just posted, for instance), but I've no idea if an IQ test would fit with that or not. Being told that any of them had tested below me wouldn't dent my belief in the slightest.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

ha! I WISH!! (xpost)

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

there is actually a great article on the use and misuse of the MMPI in this month's Believer magazine.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

and for the record, joel, i didn't actually post mine.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(I don't mean to suggest that it's only the London ILXers who I think are exceptionally intelligent, but knowing people in person does give you a fuller idea of their mind than just online. There are several ILXers who I have never met who I am sure are much cleverer than me, as well.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, roger (er okay I won't use your real name even though you used mine, jeez), but wasn't that the whole point of the thread? To get people to post their IQ scores?

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what it is. once the questions about folding boxes begin I start thinking about dance music.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't see any harm in posting my scores here. I can't take them seriously, and don't imagine anyone else here will.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

stence - i was just curious. Seems a lot of you are MENSA-ready by your own admission(s). Some high-ass scores here. I kinda figured, that's all. No venom.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Take the Brigham-Jung Personality Test today!

― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

dude roger I ain't mad at cha.

(though perhaps we should have a "who has the biggest wang" thread on here so we can correlate IQ scores and penis sizes.)

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd win that one. Ask your local movie starlet.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Chloe Sevigny?

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

roger are you secretly VINCENT GALLO?

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(and if so can you like give me some money?)

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I know how to take a shower, drink a beer, and sing tunelessly ALL AT THE SAME TIME! Where's that test!?

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Somehow I didn't quite scan that Kenya comment the first time I contributed to the thread. Even as a joke, it's bad.

I do find it a little weird how tetchy people get when the topic of comparing "intelligence" comes up (myself included), when evaluating people based on attractiveness or charisma or whatever is more than commonplace, even if not totally accepted.

― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Thailand 91...fijii 84... Guinea 59

The whole thing is bullshit. The reasons why Fijii and Guinea, for example, are so far down an IQ test list it's because cultures outside of west don't and, more importantly, aren't interested in, measuring intellgence in this way. The tests were born in the west and are suited to western thought processes; ones that guage intelligence as something that can be measured using tests based to Logic, a spatial awareness that is tied to western space, mathematics etc...

For example: growing up on streets that are laid out on a grid and living in a house that is based on cubic shapes makes it much easier to work out a puzzle based on the net of a cube than if you life in Nature and spend alot of time sailing (like many fijii islanders still do) or in a round house you or your family made as many centuries of people have in africa. I'm not saying that fijii isanders are "at one" with nature or that Africans live in mud huts, just that different surroundings engender different types of intelligence.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not a huge fan of that, either, truth be told. But exclaiming a concern or objection doesn't mean anything more than just that. I'm not out to delete this thread, or say no more hottt movie star threads on ILX, y'know?

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

My Brigham-Jung personality type is WTF.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

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Be pleased to be a WTF. The world needs more idiots. Idiots like you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The eighteen American states that ban the death penalty for the mentally retarded usually use an IQ measure of 70 or so as the cut-off point for the saved and the damned. If we believe IQ tests are a valuable tool for measuring intelligence, if we take the above national averages at face value, and if we consider the 70 cut-off point as kinda sorta meaningful (if a tad arbitrary), then we have to believe huge portions of the populations of Jamaica, Kenya, South Africa, Nigeria, the Congo and Ethopia would fit some legal definitions of mentally retarded. I find it completely hard to believe -- how could any country function at any level were that the case?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"The tests were born in the west and are suited to western thought processes"

How else would you have us measure them?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

by their skull sizes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe his point is they shouldn't be used in other countries at all.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Are kids sorted into "gifted and talented" programs through an IQ test? I was one of those kids. I now vaguely remember matching shapes together in some classroom, and my mother had to leave the room while it happened. My memory of the guy who set me the test was that he probably belonged to some super-secret Brane Society that, like, sequestered itself in an off-shore cave and fought crime.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always had mixed opinions on those gifted programs myself, mostly to the negative, but as long as they exist it's got to be more objective to admit kids based on standard tests than on some teacher's opinion.

― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've had the same experience as many here -- a few IQ tests with pretty varied scores. My highest was 190-something, which seems ridiculously high. My lowest was 130-something, which seems more reasonable to me -- no false modesty intended. Not like it's a shabby score or anything.

I have logged out, because while I'm sure that many of us wouldn't take this kind of thing *too* seriously, being "Mensa-ready" does has a whiff of unnecessary bragging about it. Hstencil at least half OTM.

― what, me brainy?, Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I was recommended to go into a gifted program. My school didn't have one. My mother told me of the discussion she had with the principal when she asked why not. It went something like "We don't like to do things that would seem to isolate and favour students like your son. If they achieve too much, it's bad for the self-esteem of other students.". Grrrr....

The only IQ test I got, I scored 157 on. However, that's got to be out by at least 20 possibly 30 points. I'm not a genius.

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"that kid edward is achieving the shit out of us"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 15 August 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Does everyone know their TVQ? I rate very highly and I look great under hot lights.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

A work colleague got a perfect score on a Mensa test, which he then laminated and hung above his desk. We said, 'if you're such a genius, what are you doing here mate?' He had no answer to that one.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"We don't like to do things that would seem to isolate and favour students like your son. If they achieve too much, it's bad for the self-esteem of other students."

That's just awful.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no idea what mine is. I don't remember ever taking an IQ test.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 15 August 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

some 10 years ago, it was 165.

― mike bott, Sunday, 15 August 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.sjfanboy.com/cbg.gif

"Mine is a muscular 170."

(not really)

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

As a child I had a high IQ and was put into "gifted" tutoring etc. This led me to believe I should spend many years studying at a higher level. What did I learn at university? That a high IQ means nothing when it coincides with a bag-of-hammers level of stupidity. What was my point? Oh yeah, A LOT OF $$ PLUS SIX YEARS OF MY LIFE I'LL NEVER GET BACK!! Fuck you, IQ test.

― Poppy (poppy), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and I'm wasting another two years etc. just so I can get my piece of paper and justify the previous six. That's where the stupidity comes in.

― Poppy (poppy), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I got thrown into some special classes at school too, just because I could read at an early age. Consequently everyone thought I was Brainy, and whenever I wasn't good at something, the other students would go, 'but aren't you gifted?'

The only thing a high IQ signifies is that you're good at IQ tests.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

some 10 years ago, it was 165.

I've read that an IQ test that you take when you're a small child is most indicative of your actual intelligence, assuming you haven't abused too many drugs or drank too much alcohol in the interim. Children don't get test anxiety the way adults do, and IQ tests given to children have less to do with vocabulary and math than spatial relations and such. I was an impressive seven-year-old, but I *have* abused too many drugs and drank too much alcohol in the interim, so I don't even have a guess what my score would be now.

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

-- Dirty Muriel (ada...), August 16th, 2004.

OTM.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Children don't get test anxiety the way adults do...

that's pretty different from my experience.

― hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Most of the very intelligent people I have known (read: far more intelligent than me) have been completely disdainful and dismissive of any standardized test, including IQ tests. (One exception: I've never heard that the Bar exam is a walk in the park.)

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Quite a stunt considering:

1) I don't have a personality; and
2) I've never seen SATC.

SATC
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The SATC type splits their life into 45 minute chunks, peppered with three minute breaks that thoroughly confuse anyone attempting to associate with them. These people would probably be better off watching Ali G.

― j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

which iq tests are we using.
i mean stanford benet is a fucking disaster on every level under the sun (ie cultural varients, gender, income dispairty, multiple intellengice theory,etc etc) but something like Raven is good some of those factors but everyone who has no spatial realtions or poor spatial relation skills, or cannot invision patterns (ie some of the low spectrum autism kids for example) will flunk it and flunk it badly.

― anthony, Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Is anyone else going by Eddie McGuire's National IQ Test? No? Okay then.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually did that... up at a pre-show taping session at the 9 studios. I scored 90. Yes, 90. I think I know why, though.

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Raven is good some of those factors but everyone who has no spatial realtions or poor spatial relation skills, or cannot invision patterns (ie some of the low spectrum autism kids for example) will flunk it and flunk it badly.

I have this friend. Amazingly intelligent, very insightful about any subject you can imagine, but can't find his way around a city that's layed out in a fucking grid. Borderline autistic, I'd almost think, except he has good social skills too. He just can't envision spatial relationships for shit.

― Harold Media (kenan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Why, Edward? :)

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

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― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was in a gifted program in school for first through 5th grade, and then they cut it and I had it again in 8th grade, but they kicked me out because I was suspended for jumping on an empty juice box in the middle of the cafeteria to make a very loud BANG, and I was used as an example.

I thought it was amazing in elementary school, it was always my favorite day of the week, and I learned so much more in that one day then in the rest of the week (stuff I still can recall)

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I was mad when they cut it, and when they kicked me out for disiplinary reasons.

As for IQ tests, I've never taken one

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

they kicked me out because I was suspended for jumping on an empty juice box in the middle of the cafeteria to make a very loud BANG, and I was used as an example

Dumbasses! You were clearly understimulated. Kicking out a gifted student for (marginally) bad behavior is incredible asshattery.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I got stuck in a "gifted classes" in elementary school and that was one of the very worst mistakes of my life, a total self-esteem killer that took several years to recover from. I had some mean teachers in my time and the teacher there might've been the meanest: shrill, condescending and grabby, bizarrely at odds with the unstructured touchy-feely cirricula. I was so intimidated by her that even though my parents, my teachers, my friends could see how much I hated going -- hell, even my principal told my mom what a lousy teacher he thought she was and he thought the class was making my grades suffer -- I couldn't bring myself to stop. She would sometimes pull me aside to ask me why I seemed to be having a hard time, and I flat out refused to say anything of substance because that meant engaging her in some meaningful fashion and I just couldn't do it.

Then one day I simply refused to get on the bus (it took me clear across town to these classes) and I never went back. Nobody asked why.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

that description of your class sounds like my job now. : (

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

In happier news, I took some reading comprehension test at sixth grade and got every answer right. My teacher said it indicated the reading level of a college freshman. That was a high.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Adam - before you took the test, they asked you all these demographic-type questions. What your job was, how much you made, where you lived, highest level of education completed... and then.. for no apparent reason, they asked you what code of football you supported. You could pick soccer, AFL, rugby league or union. There was no option for "none" and you HAD to fill an answer to every question, so I scrawled a note next to it saying "I don't like any kind of football. Sorry, Eddie and Kerry!". They MUST have punished me for that.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I remember that, it was on the website test too.

The day Eddie McGuire hosted an IQ test is the day my bladder escaped my body and became prime minister. It's doing as good a job as can be expected of a bladder, really.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, our PM does look as if he's full of stinking piss...

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

In happier news, I took some reading comprehension test at sixth grade and got every answer right. My teacher said it indicated the reading level of a college freshman. That was a high.
-- Michael Daddino (epicharmu...), August 16th, 2004.

ME TOO!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

my mom made me take a 2-day aptitude test at the Johnson-O'Connor Research something-or-other in Chicago when I was like 14. It said I should be an audio engineer. She keeps talking about it. I was pretty psyched, though, when I read in WILL: THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF G. GORDON LIDDY the other day that ol' Gordo took their test too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

R. Adultery, don't you think the national IQ statistics you cut and pasted are kind of PROOF that the whole theory of IQ is bizarre? As other people have pointed out? How do you interpret those statistics? Do you think that people from Kenya are 'essentially' stupider than people from Hong Kong?

― maryann (maryann), Monday, 16 August 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Knowledge vs. intelligence has to = 2 different things.

― jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 16 August 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

And more importantly, everyone's anti-IQ-test comments add up to the conviction that there are different *kinds* of intelligence, which there certainly must be. I liked jed's comment:

growing up on streets that are laid out on a grid and living in a house that is based on cubic shapes makes it much easier to work out a puzzle based on the net of a cube than if you life in Nature and spend alot of time sailing (like many fijii islanders still do) or in a round house you or your family made as many centuries of people have in africa. I'm not saying that fijii isanders are "at one" with nature or that Africans live in mud huts, just that different surroundings engender different types of intelligence.

OTM. The human brain is the most complex... THING... in the known universe, and thinking that its function can be quantified by one common test or method of testing is simply ludicrious.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

err... ludicrous, even.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

There are as many kinds of tests as there are human beings. I used to tell my students, if you're an employer and you want to know if someone's good at a job, don't give them a 30 min IQ test. Rather, get them to do the job for 30 mins. That'll give you a much better idea.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 16 August 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Unfortunately, this will not test their ability to show up on time.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha true, but for that, get them to show up on time. You know what I mean? Don't ask them a question, 'I value punctuality'. But that's getting into the even dodgier realm of so-called 'personality testing'.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

So very OTM Col.

My other 'alf failed every year of high school, and dropped out in yr 11. He just never got interested in school.

Now he can program easily in multiple languauges, is writing his own game engine from scratch, and can draw, paint and do 3d art really skilfully. Both sides of the brain working better-than-fine. School and tests show you fuck all about nothing.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe he was just a lazy fuck at school?

― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I got my GED and barely got out of college with a liberal arts degree.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahah... I think there was very probably an element of that too ;)
(xpost)

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

When I was a kid, I had to take some sort of 'gifted and talented' exam.. one of the creativity tests was to make a black oval into some sort of wacky picture. I made it into the gaping mouth of an umpire shouting "Yerrr out!"

Yeah, I had loads of promise.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That's referred to as imagination, and I think it's great!

― jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I vaguely remember a battery of tests my parents put me through. The IQ test was just part of it. There was a rorschach test, and personality tests, and I don't remember what all else. It took three days. When it was all over, the doctor came out and said to my parents, "Congratulations, and I'm sorry. People this smart either end up very successful or in prison." My mother reports that this is exactly what he said, but damned if I know what that's supposed to mean. I guess he meant to say that I wasn't average, but it still doesn't quite compute. I'm either going to be Einstein or Lex Luthor? I guess he never considered that like millions of other very smart people, I might just be an underacheiver.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

-- Homosexual II

omg I want to marry you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope you were down on one bended knee when you typed that!

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

um no but laying in bed, which probably has another connotation. Just imagine me on bended knee, okay?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Last week some nutbar wrote a letter to one of our papers, complaining because a newsreader said 'laying down' instead of 'lying down.' Surely that pedantry could be put to better use.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

well, he's right. And you are a newspaper.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

okay so I guess I just outed my score.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

improper grammar and/or proposing online might be indications of a low IQ.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"laying in bed"

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I'm not smart enough to have noticed.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

well, okay, I'm from the South or something. That's my excuse.

xpost - Kenan the South will lay in bed again!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"I don't find IQ tests to be 'bullshit' at all. But then, I wouldn't - mine's high."

Yes well, I find them to be complete crap. But that is because mine is determindly average. But I'm the opposite of Trayce's friend. I work hard and I pay attention and so I always did alright at school and university. There are lots of ways of learning, I doubt iq tests are useful compared to any kind of personal assessment, eg from a good teacher.

― isadora (isadora), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Mine's enormous.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, is this the IQ thread?

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - Kenan the South will lay in bed again!

Yes, and they will also warsh their clothes, and have disdain for all that goes on in Warshington.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

we scared off Mandee. I guess she won't be my future wife now.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched The Fog of War last night, and while I left it thinking that MacNamara is a very smart man, I couldn't get over his insistence on saying "Warshington." Nevermind the unnecessary death and destruction that he caused, his pronunciation pissed me off.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I ain't scared!

I should add, though, that at the time I took this so-called exam, I as also giving book reports on Family Circus collections.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"In this book, P.J. totally wanders all over the house and the parents can't find him and there's these funny dashed lines following P.J. all over the house so we know whats going on, as readers, but the rest of the family totally is clueless LOL!!!"

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

okay now I really want to marry you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Great, now *I* have scared everyone off.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Not scared, just beginning to think this belongs on the "horniest ILXor" thread.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, like, wtf does this have to do with IQs ?

Seriously, keep it in your pants.

― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

dudes, this is more than mere lust. Besides this thread is kinda crap anyways.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no thread derailment oh no!

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely some peoples IQs have *everything* to do with it being in their pants... or umm... you know what I mean.. uh, I'll get me coat.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

people:

(though perhaps we should have a "who has the biggest wang" thread on here so we can correlate IQ scores and penis sizes.)

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), August 15th, 2004.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like that idea one bit.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't either but let's not pretend that's this thread wasn't that from the beginning!

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/jfiles/files/img/morrissey.jpg

"Women only like me for my mind."

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

goddammit.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I kind of agree with you hstencil -- intelligence is not a number. But if intelligence is not to be proven this way, then how? In the excoriating wit of ILX? On the bloody battlefield that is a piddly, silly message board? If you think this thread is so stupid, why are you all over it?

You're right -- hitting on Mandee wasn't out of line at all. I was kidding.

― Harold Media (kenan), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

to PROTEST, obv. You think Socialists don't put their money in a bank or something?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 16 August 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking hell.

― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 16 August 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

People, please QUEUE for your coats. Don't all come rushing to the counter at once waving numbers at me.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 16 August 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't recall my IQ, but I'm pretty sure it was something fast.

― LC, Monday, 16 August 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

According to Test The Nation, my IQ was 106. An average South Korean. I lose out on IQ tests generally because I don't understand spatial reasoning, numbers and often questions.

― Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I had to take the same "gifted and talented" test as Mandee, unsurprisingly since I lived in the same town at the time. I made that black oval into the ass-end of a rocketship. They let me into the program a year early. I think the umpire deal is way cooler, personally.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't trust them and don't sit them. i think only bad can surely come from them: if one gets a good score, one is burdened with potential, if one gets a bad one one is burdened by a lack of potential.

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Monday, 16 August 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba got it in first reply. After that it was amusing when other people got it, similarly, sort of.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

there are 7 (and maybe more) main types of intelligence:

language
logic
musical
spacial
dance
interpersonal
intrapersonal

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

but who cares about intelligence. Wisdom is much more important.

― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

language: B+
logic: A-
musical: C+
spacial: A
dance: B
interpersonal: C
intrapersonal: C

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

spatial

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

that too

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, either is acceptable, according to Webster's.

― Harold Media (kenan), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Bahahaha. Burn that Webster's and get a proper dictionary.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it does prefer the "t" spelling. I know this because I couldn't remember how to spell it myself last night.

― Harold Media (kenan), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Webster's first edition spelled "knee" "nee" and "thumb" "thum"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

You could look at it like this: your IQ is an attempt to measure your potential, nothing more and nothing less. A great potential wasted, ruined, or misused is perhaps a worse tragedy than not having any. And there will always be those who, by the IQ test's standards, have average or below average potential, but use it very very very well. So perhaps those people are truly the brightest.

Or so I think might be better to see it.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Potential at what, adding shit up?

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

But seriously, but potential can be had in myriad different fields, with no intelligence required. Look at Bush, he's boss of a country.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

But seriously, but potential

Ah, there's little more steeped in irony than posting a nonsensical post to a thread about IQ. Alanis Morissette, watch and learn you dumb shit.

― Dirty Muriel (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You could look at it like this: your IQ is an attempt to measure your potential, nothing more and nothing less.

That's what IQ should be (I'm assuming a fairly narrow definition of potential here). Which is why any test that shows that Kenyans have lower IQs than Americans or whatever is a failed IQ test, Unless you really do believe that Kenyans have innately inferior brains, that is.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

149

― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()()()()()()(()()()()(()()()()) (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"But if intelligence is not to be proven this way, then how? In the excoriating wit of ILX? On the bloody battlefield that is a piddly, silly message board?"

http://www.tilmanremme.com/gladiatorsfighting.jpg

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Somewhere between 110 - 156 depending on which poxy test I take. I hate those questions with shapes, I can't see the point of them.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

They're to see how good you are at parking.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't drive, so it's wasted on me.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I got 162 in a test when I was a teenager and if I could've coughed up the train fare to Bolton Central Library and the supervised test I might have mistakenly become a Mensarian. I got 136 a couple of years ago in an online lunchtime-waster. By the time I'm 47 I'll have finally hit the datum level and can stop worrying about 'potential' cos it'll all be gone in a fog of nappies and unread paperbacks.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard a rumour.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

If it's that rumour - yes. Feb 2. But not on ILX, please.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I wouldn't.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I've emailed you - hope that address works.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

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