what should 9/11 really be called?

And 9/11 doesn't do that? Essentially it has become the name through sheer force of repetition, and it seems that can and does serve as a shorthand for an attack that was supposed to be against the WTC, the Pentagon and the White House. Similarly Pearl Harbor is a shorthand for quite a bit more than an attack.

It was too widespread to be anything other than just a date. And it's too ingrained to change now. Say 9/11 and everyone knows what you mean, even though, as Caitlin pointed out, 9/11 isn't even how we would ever say September 11th over this side of the Atlantic.

Yes, Sebastien, that means that the other september eleventh will fade into history. But in time, so will this. Sooner or later it will have softened to the point that some politician will make a holiday for it, and it'll have a name then, for a while. In a hundred years no-one will know it any more than people today could tell you the day the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

http://pressroom.hallmark.com/patriot_day.html

1. The date format should logically be '11 September', not 'September 11' [UK and Australian media fucking pay attention]
2. It should be '11th' anyway, being the 11th day of a month, and not just a thing called '11'
3. I don't appreciate a whole date forcibly being made synonymous with something that happened to the precious little United States, when loads of disasters occur on a regular basis all over the world and nobody assigns THEM their own date, much less gives a shit about them
4. Anyone with a birthday on the 11th of September [I know at least two] now has to put up with people being miserable on their birthday

I call it 'the attack on New York City,' because that's what it is. The US government doesn't want it phrased that way because it implies weakness or some crap but tough. Yes it's a big tragedy but fucking hell, tragedies on this scale happen all the time and nobody cares because 'it's only China' or 'it's only Sudan' or 'where the fuck is Sudan, who cares it's just some tin-pot African country and where the fuck is Africa anyway'.

Ahh that felt good.

It almost immediately became known as 9/11 or September 11th (date format convention arguments seem somewhat trivial here) because it was the default option. It wasn't on one place and it wasn't a' bombing'. Making it hard to call it much else very snappy, as this thread has demonstrated. It wasn't through being 'forcibly made synonymous with something that happened to the precious little United States'.

my mom turned 50 on 9/11/2001!

the White House wasn't attacked.

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If you're looking for something to call that day itself, something a little less generic than 9/11, call it "The Day That America Shat Itself".

Oh, and here in the precious lil US of A, we say the date as, for example, May 5th 2004, so when abbreviated it becomes 5-11-04, every bit as logical as the proper, british way.

The way large chunks of the world do it [not just the UK] is day-month-year, which makes loads of sense because it's starting specific and steadily becoming nonspecific.

The year-month-day system used by parts of [if not most of] Asia is even more logical, because it starts broad and steadily narrows. 2004-09-13 18:31.24 is possibly the most sensible and consistent date/time convention there is.

The US standard is all over the place. Month-day-year. That's just stupid.

Anyway...

But don't mind me, keep on defending the indefensible. :)

ground zero is good branding, too.

This makes me quite angry. Tragedies happen unfortunately fairly regularly in the world in which equivalent numbers of people die, that is true. But they don't have the HUGE WORLDWIDE POLITICAL SIGNIFICANCE of this one. What are you saying, that it's really not that big a deal?

As long as people know what you mean when you say '9-11' then I don't consider it a problem.

Billions of people read that as the 9th of November, so it's a problem.

What are you saying, that it's really not that big a deal?

Not at all. I'm saying non-US tragedies are just as important, despite most western media thinking otherwise.

It's logical if you're an obsessive-compulsive person ...

People in the US say the month before the date because the Month is more important than the date. The year is understood, that's why it's stuck at the end..

Q:What time is it?
A: It's 35 seconds after 23 minutes past eight.

But that's consistent and month-date-year isn't, so you just buggered your own argument right up its bottom.

If newsreaders haven't got time to use full sentences then they should drop the "...and finally" pieces from the end of the broadcasts. They could also save valuable time by not repeatedly reminding us of President Bush's middle initial.

American date format - why, god, why?

As regards HUGE WORLDWIDE POLITICAL SIGNIFICANCE, Archduke's Franz Ferdinand's assassination puts it in the ha'penny place, and no-one knows that date off the top of their head either.

i don't really know about british people but i think the australian date format is the same as theirs, and i would never say "tomorrow will be september 14th", only "tomorrow will be the 14th of september" (obviously i am australian).

-- gem (gemilyinterrupte...), September 13th, 2004. (later)

This post is kind of funny because of the ILX dating under it.

i just about posted this:

http://yosemite-sam.net/Sam/Patches/Sam-Patch-Back-Off.jpg

noone knew what else to call it, but the name stuck i think because every day afterward was measured by how far away it was from the event and what new information we had found out about it. plus there was a (in retrospect, very clear) feeling that there was a countdown to much more shit hitting the fan, from the us, very soon.

I'm not sure about how you do this, though. I certainly don't have a nice, pithy suggestion as to what that could be. Perhaps the use of the date has caught on because people don't feel right about sloganising or branding such events - although I'm sure you could argue that 9/11 has, inadvertently, become a slogan in itself.

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Using numbers has a distancing effect that was kind of welcome - for me, at least. I have no problem with it being referred to as 9/11. I just wish we'd move on.

"WTC attacks" or "attack on NY" wouldn't be accurate, because it leaves out the other planes - the one that hit the Pentagon and the one that crashed in Pennsylvania.

Anyway, no-one in the world will refer to today as 'nine-thirteen' In speech. saying 'none-eleven' is a pretty unique speech act.

Here, have a brain.

-- Sexual Air Supply (ada...) (webmail), September 13th, 2004

I think it should be called the date when Americans and their media figured out that Osama bin Laden had publicly declared war on them three years before, but nevertheless failed to start reading about the rest of the world.

So what do you call people when they do something genuinely bad? As opposed to discussing the merit [or otherwise] of various date formats?

Here, have a brain.

-- Sexual Air Supply (ada...), September 13th, 2004. (later)

This brain doesn't work. You can have it back. I'll keep mine.

2. Interestingly enough it's The Pet Goat, not My Pet Goat. Possibly this is because it is narrated in the third person.

3. I can think of at least three reasons it took on such a flashy Hollywood name so much more quickly than countless rest-of-world generalized conflicts. The first is that traditional pragmatic newsmaking reason, which is that it happened in a place where no one expects such things to happen, making it theoretically more notable. The second is that it represented a whole new dynamic in the relationship between what really are two of the world's big notable players, namely America (or more generally the modern West) and Islamist radicalism. But the third and biggest reason is that whether or not "everything changed" on that day, our governments response to everything supposedly changing did make everything change, and as depressing as it often was to cave in to the Bush premise that everything that's happened since then is a logical extension of the attack itself, there was simply no way to talk about or dispute or examine that premise without some sort of shorthand to deal with it.

4. If anything I would say "the World Trade Center attack" or something of that sort. I'm not sure it's really incumbent upon your shorthand to encompass all the different parts of the thing; it points at the others. And clearly it's the centerpiece of the thing in question.

I find it funny that Americans are, like, "forcing their culture down throats" of people who are, you know, choosing to read a thread on the internet about the Sept 11th attacks.

People should add this kind of thing more. For some reason, even when it's obvious I am not the person who represents the obnoxious elements in a thread, just by appearing on it somewhere I somehow feel the need to defend myself when someone slags it off.

Actually, maybe I do represent the obnoxious element. I shouldn't put words in Allyzay's mouth.

Personally as time goes by and it becomes more and more coopted, I'm tempted to refer to it as the 'Bush Presidency Campaign Boon' or the 'Dissent is Un-American Day of Cant' or the 'Remember New York Fondly While the Federal Government Continues to Shaft it Annual Flower Show and Beauty Pageant'.

Maybe that's what you mean.

Perhaps I'm too sensitive. I'm just a little allergic to UK superiority about US linguistic usage because I work as a translator and have often had to deal with clients or British translators dissing US English. Just because it's different doesn't make it wrong, that's all.

'Nuf said now.

Nobody's forcing any culture down anyone's throat. There were some people who got mighty antagonistic towards Americans at the beginning of this thread. Some Americans (myself included) responded defensively. That's not the same as forcing anybody to do anything.

I'm sure they will do, in Russia, where the incident happened. Not that geography be a boundary, but how many countries really mark 9/11 in a significant way other than the US?

There are not many days where as many as 3000 people are killed in one location the way they were (unless you have the stats for Sudan, Iraq etc. that prove otherwise) so that's another reason it receives more attention.

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Who's stopping you? FFS.

xpost haha aimurchie, in a New York Times article yesterday, there was this description of a Native American: "As he prepared for the ceremony, tuning the oak drum by twisting a series of metal screws, he wore a T-shirt depicting armed Indians and bearing the inscription "Homeland Security: Fighting Terrorism Since 1492."

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No, the massacre was by Chechynen rebels who wanted to secede, but were denied, when the former Soviet union fell apart. Chechnya was, in fact, a nuclear test site. Chechnya is, by all reports, a wasteland.
I do think the US has to wake up and acknowledge that war and violence is not unique to "other countries". I also believe that the US is creating a new imperialism, called capitalism, and that it will be as poisonous as the blankets the indians received.

aimurchie, your precis of the situation in Chechenya does not really answer my challenge of you not actually giving a fuck; as for the 'imperialism of capitalism' I await these new developments with baited breath!!

That's true. For example, one of the earliest attempted European settlements in the Americas, the failed Roanoke colony, which pre-dated the arrival of the Pilgrims by many decades, was a capitalist venture.

Have you really thought about your stance here or are you reacting to the fact that life contains tragedy and hardship by kicking against the easiest, most convenient targets?

this is one of those "what do you think about the French Revolution?" "it's too early to tell" type things isn't it

xpost hasta la seeya!

I think September 11, 2001 should be a day to simply remember the dead. People who were essentially killed for going to work. The revanchiste right doesn't own them. The pacifist left doesn't own them. Even, in a sense, their friends, families, and colleagues cannot speak for them. The terrorists would have us politicize and fetishize this but I think the dead of 9/11, no longer being able to speak for their diverse selves, neither condone nor condemn any policy and that tragedy is the one that still touches me.

Not at all. Only a fool would argue that 'the U.S.' was a navel-gazing country, solipsistic, our outside global reality. Why were those Marines in the Lebanon anyway? Everything changed because there qwas a spectacular attack on the continental USA, which was basically without precedent.

Everything changed because since then we've had the 'War on Terror', whih affects everyone, and wars on Afghanistan in Iraq which are directly attributable to 9/11. America was not 'woken up' that day, but it had to deploy, for the first time ina long time, its own troops to defend the imperium.

Gotta admit, true dat.

Bitter adam, you are free to express your opinion. When you use such a angry tone from the get-go (shitting shit shit), you should expect flack back, jack. In person, you're probably pleasant and not as rabid as you come off on this thread. I can understand why you have an anti-American axe to grind. I can't say I'm proud of my country.

The reason why "9/11" sticks, and is so appropriate a coinage, is not because those events were "worse" than the recent slaughter in Chechnya or the coup in Chile (they're not), or because the events were without historical CAUSE or CONTEXT, but (in addition to other reasons stated above, and restating what HKM has said, not that it needs restating) because (a) the 9/11 attacks were EXPERIENCED as this out-of-the-blue mindfuck of epic proportions; and (b) no applicable category ("terrorist attack") points to the event with sufficient singularity.

To contrast: the coup in Chile can be efficiently, and even powerfully, referred to by Chileans as "el golpe" (the coup), because the overthrow of Allende was, after all, THE coup in postwar Chilean history. The "terrorist attack" obviously doesn't do that for Al Qaeda's antics in Sept. 01. Moreover, as much as I detest the US right's necrophilic use of 9/11, I recognize (as I hint above) that there really was something garishly unique about these plane-missile strikes on the Towers and the Pentagon that, regardless of the fact that they have some precedent, and PLENTY of context, are c'mon, let's face, pretty FREAKISH (particularly in this age where history is lived through television, for better or worse).

Tracer, that was more a "justify your blanket statement" comment than anything else but thanks for making me go to that link.

Well, I'd rather feel proud than ashamed. Pride isn't necessarily the same as jingoism or nationalism. It doesn't inherently mean ranking one's country above others.

Why should one care more about the death of one's child than the child of a stranger?

Caring more for your family makes sense from a genetics point of view, sure, but my question is: what is the moral justification for it? And is that moral justification something that doesn't apply to caring more about your country than about others?

Let's say we agree that caring for one's family more IS morally justified because, assuming we are parents, we are entrusted with the guardianship of our children in a way that others are not. Fine. But the same applies, or should apply, to one's nation. Ideally, we are citizens of our nation. As citizens, we are entrusted with the guardianship of our nation in a way that citizens of foreign nations are not.

If you make the circle wider and believe, as I do, that we should think of ourselves as citizens of the entire planet, entrusted with the guardianship or, to put in less hierarchical terms, shared responsibility for our entire planet, you're really applying the same logic (or metaphor) to a wider arena. Is that wider circle "better"? Well, I think so. Why do I think so? Well, see, that's where I struggle to articulate a reason (and why I'm still posting on this thread, thinking out loud at everyone's expense).

My point isn't that there is no justification for caring about others beyond one's circle (however that circle is defined) but that I'm hard pressed to see how nation-caring has less justification going for it than family-caring or planet-earth caring.

Because here's the difference. The impact of September 11th over here was not at all a pragmatic impact. The bulk of the people in this country were surely in no way affected by the events themselves; didn't know any of the victims; had never even been to New York or Washington; and in lots of places didn't even have any reasonable cause to fear that they'd be affected by potential future attacks. If you live in the middle of Wyoming, the whole thing may as well not have happened. The big impact was entirely psychological -- the shock of a powerful, isolated, hardly-ever-hit-on-its-soil nation where people do, yes, conceptualize death and war as things that only ever happen elsewhere. But it's a mistake to think of that as some sort of softy head-in-sand American problem. The psychological effect of the whole thing was just as bad for a whole lot of immigrants, people who'd come to this country in part because it seemed to be immune to, or protected against, this sort of thing. And across most of the world this same sort of sympathy was played out, this mild shock at the pretend safe-zone getting stepped on.

Which is to say that yeah, it's easy to look at America getting all worked up about its supposed "loss of innocence" and get annoyed and have it all sound like a rich kid complaining that he broke a nail. But there are a lot of people on this planet, Americans and otherwise -- including a lot of people in places that never had anything like that safety -- who are invested in that innocence. It's not stricly some whiny American delusion.

Dan: quite possibly. In the last few minutes I've spiralled into a migraine so plead mental incompetence.

presumably bcz the chilean woman's family won't give a fuck when you bite it? (this being my actual serious summary of what i can remember from high school ap evolutionary theory)

(i always remember the rare instances I inspire a thread.)

when i hear "but AMERICANS were killed, doesn't that MEAN anything to you you pinko limpwrist etc!!" it doesn't seem to me like the arguer necessarily wants to discard any of those namby pamby things abt the "brotherhood of man" (euuch) or "sanctity of life" (double euuch) but can't be bothered to argue why those things shouldn't apply in this particular instance.

i suppose i should read that big vollman thing, huh.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/intrauterinekill/BOREDOM.jpg

(from the random image thread)

It was a rant. People rag on my country all the time and I don't get all precious about it.

Yeah, but dude, come on, this was the 9/11 dizzzaster! It's a much more weighty issue than anything else that's occurred anywhere ever!

Put me down for '11/9/11 dizzzaster.'

I think it should be called Trembling Fizzle.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/graphics/missing.jpg

Did you hear about the dog they found alive on Sept 20th? Despite
having being trapped in a room where every person had died, the dog
appeared well fed and happy.

*******

President George W. was visiting a 6th grade class when he learned of
the attack on the WTC, After hearing about the news he was forced to
tell the class what had happened.

GWB: "Kids - I have some bad news, but first I need to know - do any
of you have familiy or friends who work in the WTC?"

Three children hesitantly put up their arms.

GWB: "NOT so fast kids!"

********

One passenger says to another

"Gee, whats a World Trade Center doin all the way up in these clouds?"

********

One subway passenger says to another

"Gee whats a World Trade Center doin all the way down here in the
subway?"

*********

"Ladies and gentlemen, if you would look to the right side of the
aircraft, you will notice the World Trade Center building, if you
would direct your attention to the left, you will see . . the World
Trade Center building."

********

Have you heard about the decision about replacing the WTC buildings.
Developers have decided to go with an open memorial park and the
worlds largest franchise of "International House of Pancakes"

********

After hearing about plans to redevelop the WTC site as a park,
delegates from Palestine, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq are planning to
fly into New York to assist in the creation of even more green space.

*******

Contrary to popular belief that peopel were choosing a noble suicide,
most of the jumpers on 9-11 simply misunderstood the directions to
head for the nearest exit. . .

*******

We are all aware of the brave cell phone call from the 4th flight from
the husband to his wife. Authorities have released new transcripts of
the conversation where the husband says to the wife,

"I know what I need to do"

However, after peicing together the crash site, authorites are baffled
as to how the husband and the young flight stewardess intended to
thwart the hijackers from the plane's washroom.

******************

One of the most tragic parts of Sept 11th is the effect it had on NYC
police and firefighters. Many of them experienced crushing feelings on
Sept 11th.

*********

Did you hear about the civilian heroes of Sept 11th? THe government
wanted to do something nice for them, so thay decided to fly them down
to Jamaica on Nov 12th, 2001 . . . . .

So the moral of the story is there's only one funny tasteless 9/11 joke but no one can agree on what it is.

"Paula Radcliffe is worse than Hitler. At least he tried to finish a race."

Au contraire - it just raises the stakes.

Q: Who are the fastest readers in the world?
A: New Yorkers. Some of them go through 110 stories in 5 seconds!

*********

New York, New York, so good they hit it twice

*********

Q: What is world most efficient airline?
A: American Airlines, leave Boston 8:15...be in your office in New York
8:48!

*********

What was the last thing going through Mr. Jones head sitting in 90th
floor of the WTC ? The 91st floor.....

*********

America's new math:
Q: Now how many sides to a Pentagon?
A: 4

*********

What's the difference between the attack on New York and the Oklahoma
City Bombing? - Again foreigners prove they can do it better and more
efficiently......

*********

Last words from Airline pilot "Right a bit, hey the trade center! My
brother works there...let's look just a bit closer...."

*********

"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"It's.... Oh fuck, it IS a plane!"

It's not often that I'm reminded that most of the people on this forum are children.
-- Dan Perry '08 (djperr...), September 16th, 2004 11:40 PM.

You two are unbelievable.

This thread contains far more offensive comments and pictures taking the piss out of the event, yet you're ignoring all that and continuing to attack me.

Maria D, your continued assault is particularly ironic, considering you're the one who told me to 'Get. Over. It.' three days ago. Now that you're blatantly misrepresenting me with this two-faced/'fuck off' claim, your beef has gone from misguided to ridiculous.

Next time I have a throwaway point to make, I'll make it on a forum where people don't take personal offence to a discussion about a bloody date system. Grow up.

God I'm dumb. Sorry. I'll post you a complimentary copy of Synthespians™ if it'll make amends.

(haha I finally read this thread and WOW was Adam playing to his email address or what?????)

-- Dan Perry '08 (djperr...), September 14th, 2004 8:38 PM.

It wasn't a joke per se, but it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously either.

I was under the impression that ILX was the kind of place where you could rip off the odd mental rant, and people would recognise it as such and disagree if they felt the need, without taking it to heart. It was a misjudgement on my part, and for that I apologise. If I do it again, I'll make clear the fact that it's just ranting for the sake of ranting.

Why do we need to call it anything? I think "September, 11, 2001" is just fine (and not something anyone's going to forget any time soon). I hate "Nine Eleven," as it's become known.

Yeah, but that's not an attack either, because he nailed it.

xpost [sorry Alex]

Same here. I don't actually want to be fighting with anyone here.

What about Bloody Tuesday? You know, like Bloody Sunday, but on a Tuesday.

I thought starting the post by saying it shits me [i.e. subjective], and finishing it with 'ahh that felt good,' would make clear that fact that I was just irrationally letting off steam. It's only this morning that I realised people were taking it so seriously.

The only reason I went 'on and on' is because people responded, so I responded back. You know, a conversation.

Anyway, I still think the mm-dd-yy date convention makes no logical sense, and many of you disagree, and we're not going to see eye-to-eye. That's cool, isn't it? Not that it matters, it's only a way of writing dates.

(ps Adam, apology accepted and you don't have to send me anything but if you're DYING to you can email me and I'll send you my address)

Dan: I can if you want, they're dirt cheap here [~US$10]. Apparently it's due out next week in the US but you probably have to pay through the nose for it. [/derail]

"9/11 killed my baby"

"i left my darlin at the top of the towers"

that kind of thing. anyone heard any such yet?

You know? Because "pain" sounds like "'plane"? Ah forget it.

Wasn't there some terrible country song that came out in the weeks following?

Anyone else remember this? Was talking about it in the office during the week and no-one else had any idea. I obviously watched a lot more TV news that day than them.

"September, 11, 2001" is a date; "9/11" is an event that occurred on that date. There may be problems with brevity, but it is psychologically useful to the user, as it is a convenient way to acknowledge something while revisiting it as little as possible.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100910134949AAQkbts

I can't believe the needless clusterfuck that happened in this thread. WTF. It could easily have been wrapped up in 2 or 3 posts.

9 years. unreal. it really doesn't feel that long.

still remember the fear on that day. I woke up after both planes hit, and within seconds got the news from my mother. Not a great way to begin the day.

I guess the only problem with calling it 9/11 is that it kind of forces a remembrance, making it harder to move beyond. It's like that weird, semi-artificial remembrance that occurs when a loved one dies on Christmas or Valentine's Day. But given the attacks are now such a strong part of the USA's national identity I imagine it would be hard to avoid remembrance anyway. And maybe it will fade into an appropriate perspective in a normal fashion after all - it's hard to know how long these one-off events need to heal.

Funny thread though - seems like people were grasping for reasons to object to 9/11, rather unsuccessfully.

maybe it will fade into an appropriate perspective in a normal fashion after all - it's hard to know how long these one-off events need to heal.

i've often wondered how long it took my grandparents to "get over" pearl harbor

Dropping a couple of nuclear bombs probably helped the country get over it.

Whereas invading two countries doesn't appear to have worked in this case. I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned here somewhere...

tend to use 'the world trade center attacks' but that neglects u93 + pentagon, also nasty 4chan meme

http://www.iclassics.com/images/local/300/1020E.jpg
http://www.iclassics.com/images/local/300/64500E.jpg

honourable mention for stewart lee's 9th of november

it's hard to know how long these one-off events need to heal.

UK still has Guy Fawkes day, give us a little room here!

and christmas? get over it already

Twitter Trending topics: Torres Gemelas , Tio Caps Lock , Powerpuff Girls , God Bless America ,
Twin Towers , William Lara , #neverforget , #songsiwillnevergettiredof , #wherewereyou , Nine Years

Torres Gemelas, who dat, I thought :-)
Also, Powerpuff girls, wtf? (William Lara was a Venezuelan politician who died today)

If you took every piece of shit ever shat by every person, animal and tree in the entire universe ever, consolidated them into a Big Ball of Shit and set it off into space complete with its own orbit, it wouldn't come close to how much this shits me.

1. The date format should logically be '11 September', not 'September 11' [UK and Australian media fucking pay attention]
2. It should be '11th' anyway, being the 11th day of a month, and not just a thing called '11'
3. I don't appreciate a whole date forcibly being made synonymous with something that happened to the precious little United States, when loads of disasters occur on a regular basis all over the world and nobody assigns THEM their own date, much less gives a shit about them
4. Anyone with a birthday on the 11th of September [I know at least two] now has to put up with people being miserable on their birthday

I call it 'the attack on New York City,' because that's what it is. The US government doesn't want it phrased that way because it implies weakness or some crap but tough. Yes it's a big tragedy but fucking hell, tragedies on this scale happen all the time and nobody cares because 'it's only China' or 'it's only Sudan' or 'where the fuck is Sudan, who cares it's just some tin-pot African country and where the fuck is Africa anyway'.

Ahh that felt good.

― Sexual Air Supply (Autumn Almanac), Monday, September 13, 2004 12:30 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark

And I was the one who apologized?

Oh, sorry, apologised. Apologized is wrong.

America Jumps the Shark Day

^ that happened way before didn't it?

9/11 Poem..........................…
As Dawn approaches, we arise….
Wiping our sleepy eyes…
Looking at those two twin towers…
Standing tall in their final hours…
As the first plane crashes into tower one….
Loved ones frantically call in 911…
How ironic it might seem…
9/11 and 911, we all hope it’s just a dream…
Then another plane hits tower two…
Which completely shocked me and you…
We stood there watching those two towers…
Weeping and screaming for what seemed hours and hours…
As the twins burn under the sun…
In horror we watch the jumpers one by one…
Fire fighters work and strive…
To try and keep our loved ones alive…
An hour after that attack…
Those twin towers began to crack…
Those two towers fell down…
And left an ash cloud all around…
The whole world watched with shocked faces…
At the rubble left in those two places…
For those 3,497 who died on 9/11…
May you rest in peace with God in heaven.
xxx

that's the kind of stuff Autumn Almanac typed

Did it ever surface - in like the 9/11 Commission or anything - that the attackers specifically planned the attacks to coincide with our emergency telephone number? Because that's always been the lamest part of this for me. "9/11 Never forget..." Police. Fire. Ambulance. Got it.

Anyways, this has been bumping around in my brain for the last couple days and prompted some highly unusual GISs: Anal Elven.

something freaky that happened on the newsgroups back then. There was this guy who posted as Leophoenix on one of the boards I used to read (I can't remember which). and he was making standard attacks on America and their policies, and talking your typical foreboding "America is doomed" nonsense...he just came across as your typical overwrought fringe lunatic.

Then towards the end of August, he proclaimed that something major was going to happen on September 1st. Of course the day came and went without incident, and everybody called the guy an idiot and a fraud. But then, on September 2nd, he said "in nine days, none of you will be laughing". So then 9/11 happened and people flipped the fuck out on the guy, about half of the people filling out FBI reports on him.

I mean a lot of people said it was a coincidence, but it was a little creepy because of the fact that his first guess was 9/1/01, meaning he may have known the significance of the term "9/11" but misinterpreted it to mean 9/1/01, and when that day passed, amended it to 9/11/01. seemed like he may have known someone involved or overheard some of the details from somewhere.

actually he posted as Xineohpoel, which was Leo Phoenix backwards.

The date format should logically be '11 September', not 'September 11'

???

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

yea the Autumn Almanac posts from 6 years ago are all sorts of retarded.

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 September 2010 15:48 (4 minutes ago)

Not on all style sheets, it doesn't. (See above.)

Leo Phoenix links & story in the first post here http://letsrollforums.com/anyone-ever-hear-leo-t910.html

will read all but the FreeRepublic links. FreeRepublic is a cesspool of shit.

lol @ the talks of him being a prophet. methinks he overheard a conversation he weren't meant to, is more like it.

Sollog. lol

looks like tiger woods should take golfing lessons from that clown Sollog

10. You have promised that "curses" would befall all those who reported you to the FBI. Given that at least some of these people were probably simply trying to do the right thing, do you think your "curses" are fair to them?

That is a difficult question to answer. I would say the intensity of their curses depends on the amount of trouble their actions have caused me. So far, that is not much, so I don't think they need to be too concerned about their curses, but I do think they should bless some strangers if they want to make up for them. That is why curses are always fair. Because if you ever do get cursed, whether you deserve it or not, you can always repel them by being blessing others.

I reported him to the FBI. this explains the recent weight gain. DAMN YOU LEO

Something is going to happen tomorrow. This is a witness against everyone on
this newsgroup. I hate this newsgroup, and everyone on it sucks.

"I hate this newsgroup and everyone on it sucks". HIGH COMEDY!

autumn almanac sure was a dick on this thread

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 September 2010 14:48

Interesting. On my machine, they always look like this.

Even ILX formats date as September 11.

― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), (Hot Fudge) Sundae, TWELVE Sup'tmbr 2Θ1Θ 14:48 sumtime in da mornin'

Interesting. On my machine, they always look like this.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), (Hot Fudge) Sundae, Sup'tmbr TWELVE, 2Θ1Θ 9:44 sumtime in da mornin' (3 minutes ag0) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That's weird because the dates on my machine look like this.

Ha.

Did it ever surface - in like the 9/11 Commission or anything - that the attackers specifically planned the attacks to coincide with our emergency telephone number? Because that's always been the lamest part of this for me. "9/11 Never forget..." Police. Fire. Ambulance. Got it.

― hypo ilxa/hermes ban (kkvgz), Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:34 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

on the night of everyone was calling it 9-1-1, not 9/11. i can't remember when it switched. i don't think even until the new year??

something freaky that happened on the newsgroups back then. There was this guy who posted as Leophoenix on one of the boards I used to read (I can't remember which). and he was making standard attacks on America and their policies, and talking your typical foreboding "America is doomed" nonsense...he just came across as your typical overwrought fringe lunatic.

Then towards the end of August, he proclaimed that something major was going to happen on September 1st. Of course the day came and went without incident, and everybody called the guy an idiot and a fraud. But then, on September 2nd, he said "in nine days, none of you will be laughing". So then 9/11 happened and people flipped the fuck out on the guy, about half of the people filling out FBI reports on him.

I mean a lot of people said it was a coincidence, but it was a little creepy because of the fact that his first guess was 9/1/01, meaning he may have known the significance of the term "9/11" but misinterpreted it to mean 9/1/01, and when that day passed, amended it to 9/11/01. seemed like he may have known someone involved or overheard some of the details from somewhere.

― turn in yer badge (San Te), Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:41 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus

That Leophoenix thread can be read here. To me, it sounds more like it was a sheer coincidence rather than this guy having known or overheard something about the terrorist attacks.

First, on August 31st he starts a thread titled "911" with this post:

Something is going to happen tomorrow. This is a witness against everyone on
this newsgroup. I hate this newsgroup, and everyone on it sucks. REPENT! You
are all evil liars! Do not be so evil, and be holy. You are going to get me
killed because of the truth of my mouth. I am not telling you what is going
to happen until it does, because an EVIL and adulterous generation seeks for
a sign.

Then nothing happens on September 1st, and people say he's full of shit, and he posts this:

Since when do I post prophecies, other than end of the world cataclysmic ones?

(If he really knew something about the terrorist attacks, would he call them "end of the world cataclysmic ones"? I dunno, sounds more like your typical "end is nigh" crackpot prophesizing.)

Then someone else posts this:

The first post in this thread was from you, saying that
something was going to happen on August 31, and that you
would tell us what that thing was after it happened,
presumably on September 1. I was only noticing that you
hadn't followed through on what you said you'd do, and
instead had only written, "This is a witness against
everyone on this newsgroup."

Now you write, "Since when do I post prophecies, other
than end of the world ones?" Are you now saying that you
are taking back your promise to tell us the thing that you
said was going to happen on August 31? Or are you saying
that the thing that happened August 31 was a witness against
everyone in this newsgroup, with no more specification than
that?

Just looking for some consistency and followthrough from
you. I am interested in what happened on August 31 that
fulfilled your premonition of August 30. Or has it not
happened yet, and you are going to tell us after it does,
whatever the date?

On September 4th he answers:

Wait 7 days, and then maybe I'll answer this post. You see, I am going away
in seven days, and you will not hear from me again.

Someone posts this:

Out on bail or what? Accept my challenge and go away with some pride in your
stupidity, fakir.

And he answers:

What? No, I am just going away, that's all. What challenge? Ok, I'll be
proud if you want me to.

And after that he posts this:

I said it was a witness, ie. a testimony. The testimony always comes before
the prophesied judgment. For if I no testimony had been delivered, you would
not be guilty of sin. If you've been tracking me at all, you know the
prophesies I have made. The testimony had nothing to do with any cataclysm
as you now suggest. Truly, you only see what you want to see, and for this
reason, people must be destroyed, because although they can see, they are
yet blind.

To me it seems he was just some loony who predicted something would happen on September 1st 2001, hence the "911" thread title. Nothing happened then, and September 4th he says he'll be going away in 7 days. Kinda freaky, but note that he doesn't say anything about something happening on September 11th, just that he'll be going away then, which could mean anything. If he really knew something about 9/11, why didn't he say that his initial prophecy for September 1st now applies to date?

So yeah, the dates in the thread are kinda creepy, but by 2001 there must've been thousands and thousands of crackpots on the internet predicting various disasters, so statistically it doesn't sound too weird that one of them managed to coincidentally get the dates kinda right, and even then he doesn't actually say any disaster is gonna happen on September 11th.

"his initial prophecy for September 1st now applies to that date"

Note also that after 9/11, some people on that thread say they're gonna notify the FBI about "Xinoehpoel"'s posts, and the guy comes back to thread and starts protesting that he's innocent. Okay, maybe he's trying to protect his ass by claiming innocence, but never once does he say that his prophecy was right or anything.

I'm seeing Tansy Davies' 9/11 opera tonight.

Got a 5* review in the Independent, 4* in the Telegraph, 3* in the Guardian and 1* in the FT. Quite intrigued to see who's right.

Davies' music is informed by the worlds of the classical avant-garde, funk and experimental rock. As well, her scores contain unusual directions, such as 'urban, muscular', 'seedy, low slung', 'stealthy' and 'solid, grinding'.

Yeah. Suspect it's the FT but we shall see.

sounds interesting lol

Davies' music is informed by the worlds of the classical avant-garde, funk and experimental rock. As well, her scores contain unusual directions, such as 'urban, muscular', 'seedy, low slung', 'stealthy' and 'solid, grinding'.

― nakhchivan, Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:23 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus

she is scoring a robot fox on a mission to rip open as many bin bags as possible

Eine kleine nachtbus

feel like 9/11 shld be known as 'spazzmatazz'

that whole month sure felt like spazzmatazz

agreed

the ilm conspiracy theory thread about the prophecies newsgroup conspiracy thread

Conspiracy people are like bad literary critics (or: literary critics).

Focusing on 9/11 - the CALENDAR DATE - all the time in their search for significance. Sheesh how blind can you sheeple beeple? How about the day of the week? Tuesday. Obvious Tuesday Weld, Ruby Tuesday, Til Tuesday, Putting it Up on a Tuesday references going on.

lol @ sheeple beeple

nowadays i refer to it as "the greatest work of art imaginable for the whole cosmos"

i remember this from buddyhead.com:
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q686/tinyservants/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-15%20at%204.09.13%20PM_zpsfgip4yy7.png

oopsie woopsies