Defend the Indefensible: Comic Sans Serif

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The Colin Hunt of fonts.

If something's worth saying, don't say it in an "Oooh, aren't I wacky" way.

Grrrr.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

IT'S FUNNY!!! "COMIC"!!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

People who use this font should be shipped off to some island somewhere, perhaps Custos Island.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

And write their papers in this annoying typeface, then let's see how "comic" it is.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

"The comedian who knows no rule of law"?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

The people who use Comic Sans also wear comedy ties and socks

― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I would like to pistolwhip everyone in corporations everywhere that actually uses this font in e-mail signatures.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

The Colin Hunt of fonts.

*dies giggling* love it.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

"But what would you call a font like that?"

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I said to my adorable students this semester: "12 point, double spacing in any font that is not Comic Sans MS. It gives me a migraine and I mark more harshly when I have a migraine.".

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

People actually write their papers using comic sans serif?

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Ed: did anyone submit their work in Wingdings after that? =)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

nobody will defend this. nobody.

― g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

I always read GARU G's posts as if they're in Comic Sans.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

They haven't submitted yet. But last semester, about 20 of the 250 I had to mark were in it.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Tom E is a big fan but he's on holiday.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Plz tell me you meant submitted in wingdings omg xpost

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

No, Comic. I actually like it for some things - I'm using it in some web designing I'm doing at the moment because it fits the colour scheme and such. It's just not very good for a LOT of text.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe that. Wow.

I was about to come to this thread and say 'hey, Comic Sans has a [very limited] place, don't be the font fascists now'. But instead I am picturing the essays and crying.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

The creator of comic sans defends himself.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

there was a discussion about this before and apparently it's the best font for people with dyslexia to read!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Heh I'd be a terrible teacher cos I'd cry over all the essays for being shit grammar and suchlike.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

well that'd good trayce if you're teaching english

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

If it weren't grossly unprofessional, I'd scan one of them in.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

oh wait haha i see what you've done there now

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

http://base58.com/ilx/fac1comicsans.gif

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

the guy's explanation is really funny for all the implied abuse he's taken over the years

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

lol actually I didnt mean to write a bad sentence on purpose! haha bad wine! *smak*

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

CSS reminds me of the sort of letters we had to copy when we were first taught to write at school, and I sort of like that. But not very much. Dunno about those weird cruciform lower-case 't's either.

― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

if i ever bought a comic that used this font, i'd burn it.

― g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Yes it's a good font for dyslexics. They tend to find all caps difficult to read too.

― Zazas Zazas Nasatanada Katzenellenbogen by the Sea (noodle vague), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

everyone finds all caps difficult to read. that's why it's rule #1 of the internet to never do it.

― g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I dispute that a little (all caps tends to work better for navigation menus if they're graphical - though you may well argue that graphical naviagtion menus should be avoided anyway).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

anything over two words is an eye-fucker.

― g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

i think it depends on the menu steve (e.g. i don't think it'd work too well with the MS Word menu bar if all the text were ALL CAPS)

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Haha, The Dark Knight Returns is responsible for Comic Sans!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I was just thinking about websites Kendog.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Well if you mean that capitals are clearer than lowercase at smaller font sizes, then yes.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

His brother is a world class bridge player, I think.

― Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I was about to summon up some kind of defense just to be contrary but then I read that guy's story about why he created it. Indefensible!

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000AG9W.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Though I'm not 100% sure of this one, it still works.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/wallpaper/images/colin_640.jpg

― Colin Hunt, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Proof that you all hate fun. Er, wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

note that it's mostly the middle-aged women in your office who use this font.

Comic Sans: Official Typeface Choice of Your Aunts

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I read that as Anus.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

No, that's the poster.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

My anus?

or your?

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

I shit better fonts than Comic Sans.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

That Factory parody is incredible and is going straight onto my desktop at work!

There was an edition of Crearive Review last year where they got designers to use Comic Sans to reclaim it - they mostly failed.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

http://wizardishungry.com/no/nickbuzz.jpg

― Lingbertt, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

ROCK ON, BRAH

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I am impressed that Comic Sans was originally created for inclusion in Microsoft Bob. That's *2* horrible things that that program has left us with.

(the other being the annoying Office paperclip/cat/dog/whatever)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

(I mean, *intended* for inclusion with Bob - apparently it never actually was used in that)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/saturday_night_live/horatio_sanz/newsnl1.jpg

― matlewis (matlewis), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

So is Comic Avec Serif okay, then?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

god, that guy did trebuchet too? what a crap legacy.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Comic Sans MS: the font of choice for badly designed web pages. (What would its Mac equivalent be, I wonder?)

― M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Chicago.

Oh, snap!

― already disheveled hair projection (wetmink), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

That Factory parody is incredible and is going straight onto my desktop at work!

Amen!

― Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

i just stopped someone using comic sans serif on a document that would have gone to hundreds of people by writing 'oh dear god anything but comic sans serif as the font!' and he said he kind of liked it, and i explained how bad it is and about this thread and how the creator apologises for it, and he's now changed it. hurrah.

― colette (a2lette), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

algerian is a thousand times worse

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

sometimes i really hate the advent of the personal computer for its role in THE MURDER OF TYPE DESIGN.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I've ever used comic sans serif

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Tim has slandered me above.

Waging war on comic sans at work is one of the most satisying parts of my job. It's also one of the least successful.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

there isn't actually the word "serif" in its name btw! (it's just comic sans)

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

algerian is a thousand times worse

AGREED!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Algerian is horrible because it looks kind of fancy but also kind of wacky, and so everyone uses it when they want an "interesting-looking" font.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

There was an edition of Crearive Review last year where they got designers to use Comic Sans to reclaim it - they mostly failed.

yes, although I like what one guy did with the lower case 't', making it a tombstone type thing in pictorial form.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

algerian just always looks so tacky. instant loss of respect for anyone who uses it.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

ya know, people rag on arial because it's a "cheap helvetica knockoff" (and it is), but honestly there's nothing really egregious about it and these days it's a breath of fresh air.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I'm always meaning to delete all serifed fonts from my system bar Times, Georgia and Palatino. Most of the sans ones can go too. Even as a designer I think I might only need 20 proper font sets, though I really ought to try creating my own sometime.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

There's a font that I see on all sorts of "KIDS CORNER!" types of things, like for instance a brochure for children's events at a museum. I think this is it, or close:

http://www.momscorner4kids.com/fonts/images/whimsy.gif

I hate it so much.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

My local butcher's home page (it's the pic on the right). Please note that not only is the website in Comic Sans, but SO IS THE FUCKING SHOP SIGN.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

store owners should NOT be allowed to make their own signs. unless they're, y'know, print shops or something.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/saturday_night_live/horatio_sanz/newsnl1.jpg

This should be titled "Sans Comedy".

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

that sign was probably made from a print shop, s/c..

hehe the butcher's is called "snoggy's"

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

http://image4.myfonts.com/textimage/90/9018adc33c22479fc8594643bf2db8f4.png

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

pleasant plains made me roffle.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Comic Snas is used by who like work training courses, organising fun and excessive exclamation marks. They have a deep vacuum of self-hatred where the rest of us have souls and the danger in telling them about the evilness of Comic Sans is that they realise it's a proxy for them and they may end up topping themselves as their empire of forced fun collapses and they realise that everyone hates them. IMO.

AKA the Colin Hunt of fonts.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

here's a font that I see on all sorts of "KIDS CORNER!" types of things, like for instance a brochure for children's events at a museum. I think this is it, or close:

That's look like the font for the "Weird N.J." logo

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

here's a font that I see on all sorts of "KIDS CORNER!" types of things, like for instance a brochure for children's events at a museum. I think this is it, or close:

That looks like the font for the "Weird N.J." logo

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

yes! i was wondering what it reminded me of.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Alba OTM. Sand is far worse than Comic Sans. Despite these more recent type atrocities my deepest and longest hatred is still reserved for Zapf Chancery.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Is there an equivalently odious font that denotes gravitas in the way CS does japery?

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I think that kiddy font is Ren'n'Stimpy (though it may have another name).

― M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Elvis and JBR: that is EXACTLY it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Tom - Times News Roman - beloved of University Committee Secretaries everywhere.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

I edit a satirical quarterly and for some of the the display ads fonts can't be dorky enough. Comic Sans is great, but I wish I had something even worse, even more writing-from-the-heart-ish. Contra-dancing wife-swapper club fonts.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Who likes/dislikes Action Jackson, AdLib, Akbar, Andy, augie, Beeknees, Curlz, Farkas, Gigi, Jokerman, Planet Benson, Ravie, Treefrog?

― M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Heartfelft wife-swapper clubs?

― M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

Heartfelt wife-swapper clubs?

― M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

AdLib, Beesknees, Curlz, Gigi, Ravie and Treefrog I am familiar with. They all suck. The latter I MIGHT use though as it's got a tolerable scribbly look iirc.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

The creator of comic sans defends himself.

-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), August 9th, 2005 1:30 AM.:

"There was a need for these ‘fun’ fonts at Microsoft at the time."
http://www.connare.com/creative.GIF

― Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

Action Jackson, AdLib, Akbar, Andy, augie, Beeknees, Curlz, Farkas, Gigi, Jokerman, Planet Benson, Ravie, Treefrog
The only one I know from that list is Curlz, which is good and dopey but kind of unreadable. I'm looking for that font that lives at the intersection of kindergarten and tofu.
I'll seek out those other bad ones. Thanks.

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

It's sorta stodgy for a "fun" font, no? Looks more like print from a first grade handwriting exercise book than something from a comic strip.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

No wonder the kids all want to bludgeon their guidance counselor

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

Action Jackson, AdLib, Akbar, Andy, augie, Beeknees, Curlz, Farkas, Gigi, Jokerman, Planet Benson, Ravie, Treefrog

I read this as GIGLI

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Is there one called "Jersey Girl?"

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

AdLib, Beesknees, Curlz, Gigi, Ravie and Treefrog I am familiar with. They all suck. The latter I MIGHT use though as it's got a tolerable scribbly look iirc.

Isn't Treefrog just "Ralph Steadman wrote this"? NB I have never heard of any of these before, I'm just going on what I see on http://www.identifont.com

Ironically(?), I have only seen Algerian used in Kebab shops.

Despite these more recent type atrocities my deepest and longest hatred is still reserved for Zapf Chancery.

?? What's so bad about it?

http://www.identifont.com/samples/adobe/ZapfChancery.gif

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 22 August 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

Are there still people left in the universe who care about the distinction between "font" and "typeface"?

(Comic, Times, Garamond, etc., are typefaces; a font is traditionally the set of characters in a given typeface at a given size and weight/style--so Palatino is a typeface and Palatino 10 bold, or whatever, is a font.)

I guess the answer to my question is "no."

― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 August 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

I used to go to my girlfriend's newspaper parties where everyone would play GUESS THAT FONT whenever a commercial would come on the television.

It's kinda why I stayed in radio.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Zapf Chancery.

?? What's so bad about it?

Out of the old Mac system fonts it was sort of the default "classy" font and it was inappropriately overused in the same way that comic sans is now. You have to picture it printed by a dot matrix printer for the full effect.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 22 August 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

People actually write their papers using comic sans serif?

I just had a student come in to the library asking questions about using apa format in research papers, so I asked to look at the paper they were writing and it was in comic sans serif. I stood there in disbelief for a minute or two, I'm lucky I didn't have a psychotic break with reality.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

I just found a letter in one of the files here at work from Sir Cliff Richard. Cliff is a fan of Comic Sans it would appear.

― James Ward (jamesmichaelward), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:13 (twenty years ago)

We're instructed to use Comic Sans for subtitling on kids' stuff for a certain major client (B1g C00k L1ttl3 C00k, Balam0ry, etc). The pre-schoolers love it!

Tiresias and Arial Narrow for everyone else.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:25 (twenty years ago)

Aww. leave poor Comic Sans Serif alone. It's just trying to be friendly. There are worse offenders

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:01 (twenty years ago)

"JOkerman"

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)

The creator claims it was an accident. But not on his part.

― melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

http://international.fhwa.dot.gov/uts/images/figure_20b.jpg

― S-, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

Yucky.

― Drooone, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

everything at the hospital earlier this month was written in Comic Sans Serif.

Felt Tip Font is is trying to take the Comic Crown, I think.

http://image3.myfonts.com/charactermap/be/be12554aa5bf3d8aa53ac44f84d140e4.gif

― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

Nope. Comic Sans is stil worse.

― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

Comic Sans is definately worse, but Felt Tip Font there makes me a bit uneasy. A bit sick. A bit angry.

― Drooone, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

http://www.earlyblues.com/essay_one_story.htm

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

i can't read that.

― andrew m., Friday, 29 June 2007 19:58 (eighteen years ago)

http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/autaux?b=M%5ea11f09b8576e606bcb5038dfdb92fb821&u=http%3A%2F%2Fachewood.com%2Fcomic.php%3Fdate%3D07052007

― Slumpman, Thursday, 5 July 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

I don't share the Comic Sans hate.

after all, there are far worse fonts around. Do you ever bring up the dropdwon list on Word and think "why on earth did they include those? Can I think of a reason for EVER EVER using at least half of these gross fonts??? Answer: No!"

Bahaus 93, Bernard MT Condensed, Broadway, Forte, Rcokwell Condensed - I'm talkin' 'bout YOU!

Antique Olive looks ok, but what a gross name! I was looking for spare change down the back of my sofa and I found....

― Grandpont Genie, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

waiting for the iPone-inspired Marker Felt hate

― Alan, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get the hatred either. :-(

― nathalie, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

If you have to ask...

― kenan, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

No, no, Kenan, keep your clothes on.

Oh wait... you're talking about something else.

― nathalie, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

har har

― kenan, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

I remember in an early Dilbert strip the Pointy Haired Boss urged his staff to use sans-serif fonts in faxes coz they go through the fax machine quicker and don't cost so much to send.

Maybe the use of the word 'comic' was a bit of a faux pas. Rename this font!

Have to say that sans serif fonts look friendlier than serif ones in the same way that lower case looks friendlier than BLOCK CAPITALS. Witness the changes in the health warnings on cigarrette packets. Years ago the warnings were HM GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH warnings in BLOCK CAPITALS and something resembling Times New Roman like some elderly relative was telling you the harm of smoking with a wagging finger whereas now the warnings are in lower case sans serif like a friend saying "Hey mate, you do realise the harm those things are doing to you, don't you?"

― Grandpont Genie, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, but comic sans isn't just friendly, it's Special Olympics friendly.

― kenan, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

While moving I found an ancient litmag from ~~the dawn of time~~ back when I was in high school, a huge chunk of the ridiculous poetry contained therein is printed in COMIC SANS.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 13 September 2007 08:08 (eighteen years ago)

Rockwell Condensed is OK

― blueski, Thursday, 13 September 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna say. It's got nothing on the pitch-perfect MODERNITY! of plain Rockwell, but it's pretty inoffensive and probably useful for certain purposes. Comic Sans is universally awful and a dead giveaway that whatever's written in it isn't worth reading anyway.

― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 23 September 2007 04:02 (eighteen years ago)

we need a 'your litmag shame' thread.

― milo z, Sunday, 23 September 2007 04:06 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

fuck this font

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 5 May 2008 01:43 (eighteen years ago)

best font evar

― jhøshea, Monday, 5 May 2008 01:43 (eighteen years ago)

i was gonna make a comic sans ilx css why havent i done that yet

― jhøshea, Monday, 5 May 2008 01:45 (eighteen years ago)

change the default to comic sans for one day, just for lols

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 5 May 2008 01:52 (eighteen years ago)

I would like to congratulate all the comic sans haters for living on the edge and standing up for TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO LIKE STYOOPID FASSSSSHIST COCK HARVESTERS WHOSE MOST USEFUL MISSION IS PROBABLY TO FUCK THE FUCK OFF AND DIE IN AGONISING AGONY YOU SPUNKBUBBLES

― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 01:53 (eighteen years ago)

hey guys lets get drunk and hassle people on MS Comic Chat

― burt_stanton, Monday, 5 May 2008 01:54 (eighteen years ago)

LADIES AND GENERALMEN, BURT CLUELESS STANDPIPE

― Noodle Vague, Monday, 5 May 2008 01:55 (eighteen years ago)

Nothing says corporate sensibility like comic sans

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

this font sucks, but so do 99% of all fonts ever

― max, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

Last week I received a CV from a man born in 1961 who thought it was a good idea to send an important document entirely in Comic Sans.

Apparently, it is the easiest font for dyslexics to read. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS.

― Matt DC, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:18 (eighteen years ago)

http://i30.tinypic.com/ohtyzn.jpg

― jhøshea, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

There are WAY worse overused fonts in this world:

Jester:

http://www.trendycrafts.net/images/jester%5B1%5D.JPG

Papyrus (ALWAYS used for shit like below):

http://www.legendofthesanddollar.com/images/fonts/papyrus.jpg

Copperplate Gothic Bold (choice of lazy business card designers everywhere):

http://www.identifont.com/samples/urw/CopperplateGothicBold.gif

― Abbott, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

They're all fine when used properly. It's when comic sans is used for business emails and presentations that most people doubt the cerebral integrity of the author.

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:43 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose the importance of Papyrus is to warn me: SHIT ENCLOSED.

― Abbott, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:45 (eighteen years ago)

WARNING: AGEING HIPPY RANT ABOUT STARS AND TREES AND THE AFTERLIFE ENCLOSED

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:50 (eighteen years ago)

WARNING: BUDDING FANTASY AUTHOR IS SENDING YOU JOKE EMAILS

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:50 (eighteen years ago)

somebody in the DOD has their classified outlook account set to do everything in copperplate gothic, I got something forwarded to me from them once and wau just wau

― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 May 2008 02:56 (eighteen years ago)

i like Copperplate alright.
i never use it - but my local watering hole has it as their font and it don't urk me none.
good call on Papyrus tho. blugh.

― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

that reminds me - i have some font homework for ile. need to track down that other font thread...

― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

My #1 most hated font is Algerian.

― jaymc, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:20 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, fuck off.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/20720349_76a47efb59.jpg?v=0

― jaymc, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:24 (eighteen years ago)

have you guys seen HELVETICA? it's really pretty fascinating, for a movie about a font. some of the people they interview have very strong opinions about helvetica.

― ian, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:29 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I liked that movie, too.

― jaymc, Monday, 5 May 2008 04:29 (eighteen years ago)

Helvetica is gorgeous and risked overexposure, which is why it the introduction of helvetica neue was so relaxing.

― Eric H., Monday, 5 May 2008 04:58 (eighteen years ago)

papyrus is awful

― s1ocki, Monday, 5 May 2008 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

this font sucks, but so do 99% of all fonts ever

-- max, Sunday, May 4, 2008 7:06 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

^^ if u guys will just listen to me from upthread it will save u the trouble of listing all the fonts that suck. heres a hint, they all do except like 10 of them.

― max, Monday, 5 May 2008 05:45 (eighteen years ago)

I like Copperplate too, although everything bad said against it is true enough.

― Casuistry, Monday, 5 May 2008 06:50 (eighteen years ago)

I think crappy school-project fonts like Comic-sans and Algerian have a certain charm.

― Bodrick III, Monday, 5 May 2008 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

1. Any font is ugly when used inappropriately.
2. It takes a mighty good font to resist uglification-by-overexposure.

Keep these two rules in mind and you'll do OK.

― libcrypt, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

The plaintiff's attorney in one of my employment discrimination cases put all the pleadings, including the allegations of sexual harassment, in Comic Sans.

― felicity, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

lol font hate/fandom is the most retarded thing - talk abt projection!

and im a graphic designer over here

― jhøshea, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.uiowa.edu/~bijou/films/fall04/images/cowboy_promo.jpg

hey! im a graphic designer over here~~!

― max, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

over here over here

― jhøshea, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

http://i27.tinypic.com/ritczq.jpg

― jhøshea, Monday, 5 May 2008 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

repost from another thread:

I was yanking fonts out of Ubuntu in an effort to get a little better speed out of it -- font management does not exist in Linux, unsurprisingly -- and a vast majority of the real sludge, the bottom of the barrel tasteless offensive UGH fonts that came with the distro were by this popular fellow: http://www.larabiefonts.com/.

Bottom line here: Ray Larabie wants to taste the fucking curb.

― kenan, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

Larabie is so lol'90s

― Abbott, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently, it is the easiest font for dyslexics to read. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS.

any typeface with a single bowl a is easier for most dyslexics, apparently.

― caek, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://cdn.myfonts.com/107/textimage/be/bea53312b0f287c2984c7d9af6b59957.png

― Bodrick III, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

http://cdn.myfonts.com/103/textimage/db/db06b1074c93aebceaa92c4a6b81cd86.png

― Bodrick III, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

http://cdn.myfonts.com/107/textimage/be/bea53312b0f287c2984c7d9af6b59957.png

http://cdn.myfonts.com/112/textimage/1d/1d0e7ee22c27d6e89616ad55bbea5f73.png

― Bodrick III, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

http://cdn.myfonts.com/105/textimage/67/675ef598a1f2e518b1ac8a1055366eef.png

― and what, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

nothing wrong with larabie, he's just making kerazy fonts people like, don't read the thread if you don't want to be offended etc

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

what's a "single bowl a"?

― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

xpost You realize I'm not actually suggesting that he be curb-stomped, right?

― kenan, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

no?

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

AGAIN with the joeks, kenan!

― Abbott, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

Papyrus (ALWAYS used for shit like below)

Part of the reason why I never bothered watching Firefly/Serenity was that it used that Papyrus font.

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

oh man we should have a bitch-about-bad-tv-show-logos thread

― El Tomboto, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

for the most hilariously inappropriate use of comic sans, allow me to nominate...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1184/785715203_95d8db5499.jpg

this providence local gay / leather bar

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

sanitized for your protection

― and what, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

oh man we should have a bitch-about-bad-tv-show-logos thread

I dunno... it might be harder to find good ones to praise.

― kenan, Monday, 5 May 2008 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

comic sans walks into a bar and the bartender says "we don't serve your type here"

― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:19 (sixteen years ago)

Heh I'd be a terrible teacher cos I'd cry over all the essays for being shit grammar and suchlike.

― conrad, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:46 (sixteen years ago)

the chancellor of my school sent out an email in comic sans today

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:52 (sixteen years ago)

school chancellor otm

― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:14 (sixteen years ago)

one of my students turned in her midterm in comic sans

i took off 0 pts for this

― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:16 (sixteen years ago)

school chancellor otm

well we all know what font someone's next album-cover will be rendered in

― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:16 (sixteen years ago)

louis,

― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:20 (sixteen years ago)

now we have an album title too

― iatee, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:21 (sixteen years ago)

I wanna give you guys shit for this kinda thing but am afraid you would take it in the wrong spirit

― the most sacred couple in Christendom (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:31 (sixteen years ago)

comic sans: when you really want to convey "I'm serious" to an entire student body

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:32 (sixteen years ago)

tbh I'm still waiting for my savage beatdown :(

I recently overlooked the fact that an entire Myspace band bio was written in CS until a friend was all 'WTF LOL CS' - it made me feel odd

― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:33 (sixteen years ago)

you made up for it by the bloodletting the cat joke--good work everyone on that thread

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:34 (sixteen years ago)

i had to turn a paper in on deadline on friday in blue ink

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:45 (sixteen years ago)

mr que you may bloodlet the cat - it is your choice - but I merely spake of letting one's own blood onto the cat, a far more civil act

― LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 01:47 (sixteen years ago)

my biological father sends his emails in comic sans

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 02:55 (sixteen years ago)

i once had an instructor write me a letter of recommendation in Comic Sans. it said a lot of very nice things but i was a bit nervous about sending it out.

upthread someone mentioned Comic Sans is ideal for dyslexics because of its "readability" -- this is true apparently! it's the default font on the transcriber software i use at work.

― the jaws of impermanence and soul death (reddening), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 04:03 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

― kkvgz, Friday, 9 July 2010 20:01 (fifteen years ago)

hahaha that has been posted ALL OVER facebook today from my NE OH friends. it's hilarious. also contains egregious quotation mark mistakes.

"who" we are for example

― ghee hee hee (La Lechera), Friday, 9 July 2010 20:03 (fifteen years ago)

This letter is so perfect. All caps, quotation mark hell AND comic sans serif.

― ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 9 July 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

people are really feelin' it in akron/cleveland, though
yet another indignity for the people of NE OH: they respond positively to the use of comic sans :(

― ghee hee hee (La Lechera), Friday, 9 July 2010 20:24 (fifteen years ago)

six months pass...

Ugly fonts may aid comprehension

― Alba, Sunday, 16 January 2011 13:03 (fifteen years ago)

Oh man, this week at my work I came across an extensive history of our email correspondence with a prominent computer engineer, all of whose emails were in comic sans.

― kkvgz, Sunday, 16 January 2011 15:59 (fifteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Thank God for Mississippi

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 14:43 (fifteen years ago)

at this point, i think it should be "Defend the Indefensible: Talking about Comic Sans"

― odd taran wild'n gang killam all (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 14:46 (fifteen years ago)

The "wolf band" joke of typography dilettantes

― odd taran wild'n gang killam all (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 14:47 (fifteen years ago)

agree with whiney tbh although we're both in the vortex of metasuck now

― acoleuthic, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 14:53 (fifteen years ago)

here, chris. I made this for u.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4791/wgas.jpg

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 15:07 (fifteen years ago)

lol

― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

― odd taran wild'n gang killam all (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 2 February 2011 15:16 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.kadavy.net/blog/posts/why-you-hate-comic-sans/

― The all-jazz interpreter (Eazy), Monday, 7 March 2011 15:14 (fifteen years ago)

chief exec of my organisation sent an email in comic sans the other day. guy earns > £100,00 p.a.

― tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

lol £100,000 even

― tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

OK, someone just told me about this:

Search "helvetica" in Google.

― jaymc, Friday, 1 April 2011 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

arrghh! It's everywhere!

― Lee626, Friday, 1 April 2011 14:36 (fifteen years ago)

he, he, helvetica

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 1 April 2011 14:37 (fifteen years ago)

I'm bummed to learn the Google thing was just an April Fool's joke

― Lee626, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 23:36 (fifteen years ago)

i am studying an engineering degree. my college papers get handed out IN THIS FUX0RING FONT

also i called in sick this morning to slack on ilx all day.

― jumpskins, Thursday, 7 April 2011 09:39 (fifteen years ago)

it's kind of fun to say "comique sans" in an exaggerated accent. that is my one and only defense

― bernard snowy, Thursday, 7 April 2011 10:18 (fifteen years ago)

i am studying an engineering degree. my college papers get handed out IN THIS FUX0RING FONT

Ouch! This also makes me think of how many student hand in papers in Comic Sans (though there are some things I'm just better off not knowing).

― EDB, Thursday, 7 April 2011 19:59 (fifteen years ago)

nine months pass...

a couple wks ago i was watching one of those disturbing shows on discovery id. anyhow at one point they are showing a homicide detective standing in front of a filing cabinet and opening up a folder, and the folder says said "<something i can't remember> HOMICIDES 1997" or whatever. in comic sans.

the f...

― dell (del), Monday, 9 January 2012 17:36 (fourteen years ago)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_IMGjq3rRTeg/TBl9Ki8nN9I/AAAAAAAAEEg/au2IgSxCtt8/Comic%20Sans%20Mofo.png

― hooked on ebonics (Pillbox), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 03:51 (fourteen years ago)

five months pass...

rofl

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rxgIZieo9mQ/T_QwijARdgI/AAAAAAAAAPE/BRKWK0UlWMY/s1600/higgscomicsans.jpg

― PSOD (Ste), Wednesday, 4 July 2012 12:02 (thirteen years ago)

Can it possibly be used "ironically"?

― Tom Crucifictorious (Leee), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:30 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

after just looking at a bunch of lol-memes I realized that few fonts are more effective at making something less funny than Impact

― signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 22:12 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

love it or leave it witchey warlock

― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 14 February 2014 21:54 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

http://comicneue.com/

― polyphonic, Monday, 7 April 2014 18:17 (twelve years ago)

...not bad?

― Doctor Casino, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:05 (twelve years ago)

I like the concept of taking something that is bad but popular and making it less bad. And I think he accomplishes that pretty well for the most part. Is there a way to improve Papyrus or other similarly awful fonts? Or is the essence of it too shitty to be salvaged?

I dunno, I guess this is the kind of dumb shit I like to think about.

― polyphonic, Monday, 7 April 2014 20:50 (twelve years ago)

to me, comic neue is charles schulz lettering from 1956 and comic sans is charles schulz lettering from 1999

― I made a grave mistake with my balloon at the end (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 April 2014 20:57 (twelve years ago)

hating comic sans is the liking bacon of boring type designers

― Mordy , Monday, 7 April 2014 20:59 (twelve years ago)

I have no idea why people hate comic sans and papyrus. I've even heard people hate Arial! Don't know what you have to do to get to that point.

― take a piece of mr. baxter's hand (how's life), Monday, 7 April 2014 21:46 (twelve years ago)

five months pass...

discovered this the other night at a friend's place.

http://s8.postimg.org/qhddaxfj9/new_makers_mark_bourbon_bottle_42_ABV_768x1024.png

― Treeship, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 02:06 (eleven years ago)

some say it is one of the better typefaces for people with dyslexia to read and understand

― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 02:34 (eleven years ago)

ok mentioned before but ... people with dyslexia deserve to read labels based on u.s. regulation of spirit branding??

― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 02:36 (eleven years ago)

Dyslexic.com weigns in: " Some dyslexic people find that Comic Sans is one of the more readable of the commonly-available Windows fonts, and we have used it on this web site in the past. Others find it too bold, too childish or too informal."

http://www.dyslexic.com/fonts

― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 02:37 (eleven years ago)

Yesterday a company we've been dealing with at work sent its first official status report on a 12-week project they're doing for us. The headlines were in Comic Sans and the body was in a font similar to this:

http://schoolfonts.com/printnew/_ZWriting.gif

They're a fairly niche company, but are highly recognized within our industry as basically the only people who do what we need them to do. Still, we're going to have words with them about the fonts.

― how's life, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 10:47 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SF-qJ4dpP6s/hqdefault.jpg

― Treeship, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 04:20 (ten years ago)

I have no idea why people hate comic sans and papyrus.

My wife likes papyrus. I have informed her that some people hate it. She was also puzzled as to why this would be so.

I suspect that it is too often associated with people who think crystals are particularly good rocks for healing stuff that needs to be healed. And those who like to talk about angels as if they were the Good Witch from the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 24 May 2016 05:08 (ten years ago)

i think the hatred for these fonts has to do with how often they are used. they are kind of goofy and poorly designed to begin with and seem to be used whenever people want to add a bit of pizzazz to lame documents. they just connote laziness and dumbness.

comic sans has sort of taken on a life of its own though. it's so widely reviled that it's become a widely acknowledged visual shorthand for unseriousness, which is kind of a weird thing. typography used to be one of those elements of graphic design that average people didn't attend to very much.

https://andrewbusch.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/comic-sans-tombstone.jpg

― Treeship, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 05:26 (ten years ago)

http://comicsansproject.tumblr.com/

― Treeship, Tuesday, 24 May 2016 05:35 (ten years ago)

four months pass...

Still hatin'

http://i.imgur.com/gdJu9Yd.jpg

― pplains, Saturday, 8 October 2016 02:51 (nine years ago)

I dint think this thread revive could modify, nice job pp.

― wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Saturday, 8 October 2016 04:28 (nine years ago)

omg

― qualx, Saturday, 8 October 2016 05:19 (nine years ago)

what a fun night we're going to have bradley

― qualx, Saturday, 8 October 2016 05:19 (nine years ago)

me [m, 37] started dating a great/funny/smart girl [f, 33] but the font she uses on her smartphone is comic sans

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 8 October 2016 14:03 (nine years ago)

Sat here in Emergency, w Amber and her twisted ankle.

there is a similar sign to the just above. She remarked as we came in 'oo, It'll be proper A&E not children's'

I said that children's would probably be quicker.

anyway, I remembered the sign, we lagged.

ok, back to waaiting.

― Mark G, Sunday, 9 October 2016 19:17 (nine years ago)

five years pass...

i think i unironically like comic sans now, like i unironically like 'live laugh love' signs

― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Monday, 7 March 2022 22:36 (four years ago)

As a teacher, I find comic sans fairly useful. I use it sparingly, but it comes in handy to make slides look more kid-friendly, or to suggest the idea of handwriting without actually using a handwriting font that kids can't read. Like, if I'm telling them to write something on a notecard, I might give them an example sentence in comic sans to emphasize this is the part that you write.

― Lily Dale, Monday, 7 March 2022 22:50 (four years ago)

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