Would Anyone Still Vote Labour?

When the tory guy won, there was a congrats message from our previous deselected Labour candidate, J.Griffiths MP.

What a worl'

Meaning what?

the tories obviously have some link with the lived experience of working people, otherwise working people, including union members, wouldn't vote tory in large numbers.

Or maybe he's just a right wing cunt.

Yes, it means that the Tories are more likely to win

Why?

What makes you think they'd be inclined to vote Labour if they were to vote Dada?

Because the people who put New Labour in power are Tory voters at heart.

But when the Bee-Enned Peas are doing well it tends to be in poorer areas doesn't it? The poorer and younger you are the easier it is to nudge you rightwards (or rather reactionary behaviour, rather than conservatism itself), no?

Progressive politics: is what is needed

Bill of Rights
PR voting system
scrap ID cards [this is new labour's poll tax..that will ultimately lead to their downfall]
scrap tuition fees
introduce 50p top band of tax for over 100K income
Tax incentives for business that create jobs in Britain..and penalties for those that outsource British jobs outside of EU
get out of Iraq

If there's no chance of it happening then how is it any more of a surefire way of them winning than say, all Tories switching their votes to Labour?

Then they can be all 'hray' when they do.

Basically, people end up voting for whoever they think is going to win.

except the people who vote Lib Dem etc?

Flourishes is putting it a bit strongly

is this at all true?

you can still win the actual MP vote innit.

The home secretary told a Westminster lunch the fact Mr Dromey did not know about the loans meant "you have to wonder how well he was doing his work".

It's like that Mad magazine line where a pedestrian knocked 20 feet into the air by a police car 'was today charged with leaving the scene of an accident'.

Next time, if it's the same decision again, I will probably vote Labour in Rugby, extremely begrudgingly.

Look at them over there on the left with their fancy castle and their Tory votes. They're nothing to do with us!

Yeah, ditto. I wanted to vote Lib/Dem last time but in Rugby it was a wasted vote so I voted Labour. I can't even remember the name of our Tory MP.

It's crap like that that make me want to vote Labour.

otm

If the Lib Dems had any chance of winning a general election (or even a by-election in my constituency) I'd vote for them. But at the moment my vote can best be used keeping those evil fucking Tories out of power for as long as possible - which, however disillusioned I am with them, means voting Labour.

ha! cos everyone in floating voters land, especially in the 'burbs thinks like this.

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there is a far smaller gap between labour and the tories than between gore and bush (not that there was much of a gap there either...).

but shit yeah, maybe a tory government would, like bush, take us into an illegal war, increase the gap between rich and poor and clamp down on civil liberties... watch out people!

Yep, born and bred in Rugby though my folks are from oop north. Live in Clifton now.

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But (sort of getting back to the topic) I can't believe those boundaries! Astounding bit of sneaky footwork. I'd never have put Rugby and Kenilworth together (and I speak as someone who lived in Leamington Spa for...oh far too long). When did they do that? Rugby was a classic marginal - swinging from labour to tory and back and now - pretty safe tory seat I should imagine?

Rugby has got that splendid church though...erm...St Andrews. (back off topic)

I just looked it up on Wikipedia though and look!

Following their review of parliamentary representation in Warwickshire, the seat of Rugby and Kenilworth is to be abolished.

The sucessor seats are Kenilworth and Southam, which was originally to be named "Mid Warwickshire", and a re-formed Rugby constituency.

Woohoo! Independence at last! I got confirmed in St. Andrews church, but I don't remember the inside, just the scary alley round the back. I used to hang around the graveyard sometimes in gothier days.

how about now?

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/04/20/militia,0.jpg

2) i haven't voted labour since 1997. i remember how happy i was that day, on what seemed like a glorious new dawn. talk about fucking betrayal.

3) anyone who didn't notice several years ago that blair is an arrogant, smug, power-grabbing enemy of "democracy" (see 4) really needs their head examined.

4) "first past the post" is not democracy. here in scotland we might have the feeblest regional assembly devolved parliament imaginable BUT AT LEAST THE RIGHT SYSTEM IS IN PLACE.

5) i guess the answer i'm driving at here is "would i fuck. never again."

COUGH COUGH "here" cough. in mitigation: i'm ill.

The sucessor seats are Kenilworth and Southam, which was originally to be named "Mid Warwickshire", and a re-formed Rugby constituency.

Which is fab, but bizarrely, Dunchurch gets chucked into this new Kenilworth seat, whilst Bulkington gets included with Rugby! Makes Rugby a safe Labour seat now, I'd guess, but oddly I'm not as enthused about this as I would've been 9 years ago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1759796,00.html

It was from the Labour party, too.

It clearly worked, because they've been jointly ruling for a few years now, despite Lib Dem claims that they don't make agreements like that. My problem is: what the hell do I do? I don't want to abstain because that makes me look like the can't-be-arsed majority - but I can't bring myself to vote for either candidate. If I can be bothered, I'll write to the candidates (and the local LD chairman) explaining why I can't bring myself to cast a vote. And spoil my paper too.

"Contrary to Ralph Nader's credo that there was no real difference between the major parties, it is close to inconceivable that the country and the world would not be in far better shape had Gore been allowed to assume the office that a plurality of voters wished him to have."
(http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060424ta_talk_remnick)

We all understand the desire to punish Labour, but don't cut your nose off to spite your face.

renamed patricia "the Twit" hewitt

the NHS has had it's best year EVER

- meanwhile hundreds of nurses / other workers getting p45s
- financial meltdown at NHS trust level that even the govt tried to put right by bringing financial consultants

Mr Clone, your comments on this thread have led me to conclude you're just street-teaming for the Conservative Party. Care to confirm or deny?

"Some commentators routinely use language like 'police state', 'fascist', hijacking our democracy', 'creeping authoritarianism', 'destruction of the rule of law', whilst words like 'holocaust', 'gulag' and 'apartheid' are regularly used descriptively of our society in ways which must be truly offensive to those who experienced those realities. As these descriptions and language are used, the truth just flies out of the window, as does any adherence to professional journalistic standards or any requirement to examine facts and check them with rigour."

who has been mentioning the holocaust?

Ha ha, right

I did wonder how legal it was to have "made by the libdems" only in tiny writing right at the back of the "Islington Post".

Your name is not showing at XXXXX and we do not have XXXXX
listed as a property.

I enclose a form for you to complete to register yourself at the new
address.

However we do not have any elections on 4th May.

Regards

Wendy

I think "Wendy" fancies me.

I cannot be arsed to re-register to vote, because it is sure to create complications regarding the mystery address. Thus I have been successfully disenfranchised by Teresa May. I feel like a gentleman of colour from the Florida Everglades.

http://www.conservatives.com/UploadedFiles/GRAPHIC/PHOTOTHUMB/thumb-tm-shoes-051004.jpg

2 shags prescott
Mr big ears charles "i'm the man to sort this mess out" clarke
and pompous pat hewitt

..if only spitting image was still going..they would have a field day

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39419000/jpg/_39419430_mayshoes203.jpg

another hollow voting experience this morning. why do they ask you to tell them your name and address when it's right there on the voting card? security? verification that you haven't just stolen the card from someone's letterbox? if i can't read my name off the card then i can read it off the book full of addresses that they have in front of them and make no attempt to hide. the numbering of ballot papers always annoys me. the chumps asking for my details outside the polling station also.

> I've decided, I'm spoiling my paper

i didn't even do that, just put it in the box blank.

believe it or not, one of the green candidates in my ends was dickon 'orlando' edwards, sometimes of this parish.

What next, Simon Price running for Parliament?

I put my X next to Green for the first time ever, just like Dave "One Bicycle" Cameron told me to. Probably will be the last time as well, but who knows?

-- My Vileness Is a Dream, May 4th, 2006."

I have been one of the "chumps". The reason is to make sure that all 'your' voters have voted. By the end of the day if it's looking tight you go round and...ahem...knock up your supporters. There's nothing suspicious or dodgy about it. Like it's a real effort! People used to be rude to me too - "my vote is secret" they would say - i wasn't asking who your voted for!

I saw a Tory with his nice blue rosette on last night, near Paddington. My intial instinct was to be rude to him, but then I thought it would be better to ask him how he thougth they were getting on, "mate", but in the end, of course, I did neither.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/non-fiction/article2452893.ece

guardian should employ oborne so that agreeing with him wouldn't be quite so painful.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/17/davidcameron-politicalnews

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb/17/david-mills-silvio-berlusconi-trial

http://steadyoffload.com:8080/JS1CQ3F8Y6.aHR0cDovL3BvbGl0aWNhbGJldHRpbmcuY29tL3dwLWNvbnRlbnQvdXBsb2Fkcy8yMDA5LzAyL2hhcnJpZXQtbGFib3Vycy1wYWxpbi5qcGc=....

keeping it in here

Voted very strongly for the Iraq war
Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war
Voted strongly for a stricter asylum system
Voted moderately for replacing Trident
Voted very strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws
Voted strongly for introducing ID cards

can see why this dude wd have no truck with fascists

It feels like many in the Labour party would rather the party under Corbyn do badly (and, by implication, for the Tories to do well).

Is this true? Is there a rational reason for it? Am I just falling for a line laid out by the media? What would anyone holding this view fear might happen under Corbyn that could be worse that what happens under Cameron (or might happen under his successor)?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/06/jeremy-corbyn-leadership-labour-mps-elections

Of course it's true. The belief is that he can't win an election so hoping for / engineering a disaster in the short term and removing him is the only chance of success in the future. The consistent failure to win an election with non-Corbyn candidates doesn't seem to have crossed any of their minds. The only way they are going to be successful is grouping around a credible alternative candidate but they are thin on the ground.

Aside from that, a lot (probably a majority) are ideologically closer to the centre of the Tory party than they are to the left of Labour.

The cheerful brave-boy spectre of brave Dan Jarvis looms

although the media acting like yesterday's elections were a disaster for Labour in England, they did ok there. however the fact that they couldn't, after all the u-turns and embarrassments the tories have recently self-inflicted, make inroads now, begs the question when and how will they?

He does but nobody seems to have worked out how to position him other than saying 'Helmand Province' repeatedly.

Xp,

xp. I dare you to read that paragraph and understand it first time around, urgh, literacy issues.

https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/274598517169852416

https://twitter.com/Stewart4Pboro/status/25101063736

https://twitter.com/leicesterliz/status/722098991203266561

Some drunken thoughts:

1) Corbyn has occasionally seemed "bullied" by Cameron ... and I'm not sure that a potential leader of a country should seem so easily bullied.

2) Can anyone name a potential successor?

3) I'm conscious that in today's photos Sadiq Khan *looks* slick (like you might imagine a leader to be) and Corbyn less so (and Cameron wore a tie).

4) Would today's results have been very different if those in the PLP had actually supported their leader?

4) If the PLP supported their leader it would just mean they backed another Tory twat. You saw the other horrible leadership candidates last year didn't you?

when will this swivel-eyed Marxist wimp androgen up and start behaving like a proper member of her majesty's parliament?

I wonder about how long a particular trend in ideology saturates a political party. Is Labour still rife with Blairites or would they be gone by now.
Just wondering how long ministers maintain their roles when they're in opposition. Is there continual turnover?
I'm just half thinking that I grew up with a Labour party that I thought were an alternative to the Tories and Blair seemed to make them Tory Lite. So is there still a great amount of his supporters around and will there be indefinitely? Or what.

although the media acting like yesterday's elections were a disaster for Labour in England, they did ok there. however the fact that they couldn't, after all the u-turns and embarrassments the tories have recently self-inflicted, make inroads now, begs the question when and how will they?

It is worth keeping in mind that yesterday's broadly positive results have come after the most relentless barrage of negative press any party leader has seen in my lifetime. Pretty much every outlet in the country, from the Mail to the Guardian to Newsnight (barring the Mirror and the Morning Star), has painted him as doomed, incompetent, loathed within the party and fundamentally dangerous. Without that, I think he'd almost certainly have made gains. However, that isn't going to change and the idea of social media becoming an effective counterweight to the trad press is naive. There is an argument for saying that whatever he does, the deck is so stacked against him, there is barely any point in trying.

He has made a lot of fairly critical errors (Milne and McDonnell being the most glaring) but quite a lot of his limitations have been the result of the bulk of the party essentially refusing to work with him. He had to select his shadow cabinet from the very small pool of people who would serve in it and aside from the issues with sniping at him from the back benches, having more centrists involved could potentially have added external credibility and professionalism to a revived leftist party.

It is tough to see where they go from here. He will probably be deposed at some point but whoever does it is going to alienate the bulk of the membership.

lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/status/729249695592267780/photo/1

Corbyn's instincts are in the right place but he is not a particularly good leader and more a symptom of wider historical factors + a terrible paucity of talent in the Labour benches. There isn't a single figure right or left I can think of who looks like a potential PM in the making. This is what happens when you have nothing to work with other than generations of yes men and a rump of disgruntled old local MPs who aren't really capable of running anything.

I suspect that the behaviour of some Labour MPs is driven by blind panic more than ideology. Still, there are too many structural factors working against them to imagine anyone - Corbyn or otherwise - winning the next election without cobbling together a minority government that would probably be so weak it would put them out of power for another generation.

Maybe there is a charismatic backbencher who would be leftish enough to make it through a Labour leadership election whole also appealing to enough of the rest of the country to seem like a viable PM, but they would need to be a supreme strategist with a bit of help from a collapsing Tory Party and/or SNP. And that individual doesn't appear to exist, unless they're observing, shaking their head and biding their time.

Obviously Sadiq Khan is now comfortably the most powerful Labour politician in the country and how he positions himself could be a blueprint for a future leader to follow, even if London itself is getting less and less like the rest of the country.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/06/doom-merchants-corbyn-viable-leader-labour

To the extent that all these elections are a referendum on the wisdom or otherwise of electing Corbyn leader the only pertinent question is whether the party would have fared any better if any of the other candidates had been running the show. There’s nothing to suggest it would have done

ITT, Matt DC outlines the terminal decline of the Labour Party

There are some prescient posts in this thread. (From other people, I'm not bigging myself up for the sake of it here).

I think the thing I struggle with is ... I'd hope that a new Labour Mayor of London would use his first speech to attack the Tories not the Tories and his own party leader.

I mean, I get that Corbyn is flawed (doesn't often come across as "a leader", is easily attacked) but ...

"I mean, I get that Corbyn is flawed"

I thought the T4 program had already got rid of all the flawed people. Another of these fuckers climbing under the fence ffs!

I'd hope that the leader of Labour Party would seem a bit more pleased about the Labour candidate becoming Mayor of London, even if he's not one of his tiny crew of loyalists.

The nickname they have for his loyalists are The Microns. I am here all week.

Rosa ‏@marxroadrunner

Please mute the word Labour from my life

Remarkable item here.

Legislation was passed in 2013 to create a special 'tax-unregistered' pension scheme exclusively for Starmer which matches the current tax benefits for judges.

This is uprated annually to keep pace with rising prices. pic.twitter.com/7DL2E3I1vU

— j (@jrc1921) March 22, 2023

I'm absolutely shell-shocked that it turns out Kieth is quite happy with double standards as long as when applied to him it makes him personally richer

Lol this actually existed?! https://t.co/DviK0THo1R pic.twitter.com/4TMEY1lB8c

— Tom Williams (@shirleymush) March 22, 2023

Kieth chose this week's damning indictment of the Met to, er, demand more cops and more jail

The amount (& how badly) he’s aged makes this look he speaks of a ruination of lives from his own painful experience. “I learned the hard way”. https://t.co/pX6aij2pCu

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) March 27, 2023

Cannabis on one side, homelessness on the other. Both of these parties will be on a bring capital punishment back policy in their manifestos in a year.

I can't tell if it is Kieth's genomes that have rendered him so ugly or he absolutely hammers the hard liquor every night, but at his current rate of decay he might not be needing his "unique" tax exempt pension pot for very long, here's to hope!

Maybe cannabis is ruining his life.

Calzino's post there is making me laugh out loud. Picturing KS as a Mr Hyde or reverse Dorian Gray figure.

I always wonder how ppl who rep for Starmer but also fancy themselves as sophisticated and Actually Very Left Wing react to stuff like this - like you don't have to be a radical socialist to think weed smoke is not something the LOTO should be focusing on right now, do they just shrug and think "gotta do this to get that red wall"?

The Tories are gunning for the homeless next, let's see Labour try to outflank them from the right on that

I believe in them

‘mulch the homeless’ declares pm starmer at first party conference since winning no 10

new jobs for all in the soylent green factories of starmer’s britain

New KFC Homeless Banquet

I recall that JC's first pledge as PM was going to be to end homelessness.

look just because we proved during covid that homelessness could be instantly ended doesn’t mean that we can instantly end homelessness

Homelesses are not hardworking families so fuck 'em basically

They don't have windows that allow cannabis smoke to enter and ruin their lives, so what are they complaining about?

As someone mentions Corbyn lost 60

1) Brown lost 90 seats in 2010. Corbyn lost 80.
2) Two leaders returned lower vote shares than Corbyn’s in 2019. One is currently in the shadow cabinet. The other is worshipped by centrists as the 2nd coming of Christ.
3) No mention of antisemitism (supposed reason for no whip) https://t.co/QcUPuMl6Cn

— Emily Thorne Stan Account (@judeinlondon) March 27, 2023

Momentum: ah, well..

Our response to Keir Starmer's outrageous attack on @JeremyCorbyn today 🔽

This anti-democratic attack is a slap in the face for the millions inspired by Jeremy's leadership, and further damages the Labour Party.

We urge all NEC members to vote against the motion tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/fUR7QCJCGb

— Momentum 🌹 (@PeoplesMomentum) March 27, 2023

Genuinely extraordinary that they would exclude JC because "he didn't win an election as leader, so might diminish our prospects if he stood as a Labour MP".

It makes it feasible for anyone in power to exclude anyone from standing, if they choose.

If Starmer could get away with tarring and feathering Corbyn and parading him down Holloway Road he would.

pencil it in for the Arsenal title celebrations

(I mean, if Arsenal do win it, that would be probably the only conceivable public event they'd both be forced to attend!)

Read this dung if you want to feel smarter than an associate professor

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/27/labour-lose-election-three-hurdles-working-class-immigration

Sorry Goodwin we don't need you anymore, Chat-GPT and Bard can do this much cheaper.

That guy appears to be a total idiot.

Working class people too stupid to be graduates apparently. Nice one!

oh it's the book eating dickhead, he seems quite dumb even by polprof standards.

Racist af too

should/will Corbyn stand in Islington North as an independent? I kind of don't want him to for his own sake as much as anything, the contest will inevitably be ugly, feel like he's earned the right to just enjoy retirement. Maybe it would be worth it if it was the beginning of some viable left-of-Labour political party/movement, but that seems unlikely. It would presumably put what remains of the Labour left in the awkward position of not backing Corbyn or having to break with the party themselves.

bearing in mind it is highly unlikely to be a contest and that he's very likely to win the seat as an independent. Why would it be for his own good to do exactly what the malign right of the party want him to do? i.e disappear from parliamentary politics forever. The SCG are supposed to exist within the PLP to take "awkward positions". Sorry Soref, but this is absolute melt bollox you are posting here. Not that I'm angry about this stuff anymore, I'm beyond caring - but still that is one shite post.

I think he's made it clear that, assuming he's fit enough to do so, he will stand -- preferably for Labour but, if necessary (which appears the case), outside it.

So I don't think it's in question anymore.

He is the most principled MP in the country and good for his constituents, so if he wants to do it, it would seem a good thing to do.

I don't think the contest can be more ugly than what he's already been through for the last 7-8 years, having poisonous lies spread about him literally every day by 90% of the media and 80% of politicians, and thus targeted by maniacs and would-be assassins.

The motion Starmer will propose at the NEC says Labour’s electoral prospects in the seats it needs to win at the next election would be “significantly diminished” should Corbyn be a Labour candidate.

When you've no faith at all (none) in yourself to have been at all responsible for a 20 points ahead and indeed its ensuing wittle.

One more consideration is that if JC doesn't stand, Labour will definitely (rather than possibly) win. That means the constituency will be represented by a bad person whose loyalty is to KS, who is a dreadful and repulsive person with bad values antithetical to JC's.

All things being equal, how can it be ethical for JC to choose to enact that scenario?

should/will Corbyn stand in Islington North as an independent? I kind of don't want him to for his own sake as much as anything, the contest will inevitably be ugly, feel like he's earned the right to just enjoy retirement. Maybe it would be worth it if it was the beginning of some viable left-of-Labour political party/movement, but that seems unlikely. It would presumably put what remains of the Labour left in the awkward position of not backing Corbyn or having to break with the party themselves.

He's earned the right to do what he wants, whether thats retirement or standing as an independent, no? Actually he already had the right anyway, that's not something you have to earn

As to whether its ugly or not, who can say, but I don't see why it puts the Labour left in an awkward position, or why it would force anyone to break with the party (unless they want to). Only people who live in Islington North get to vote in this anyway, what business is it of anyone who lives in Swadlincote or Stockport who stands in Islington North? If the people of Islington North think its a bad idea they won't vote for him, and if they think its a good idea then they will

I also don't see what the problem with independent MPs is, why would it be a bad thing for there to be an independent MP? Or multiple independent MPs. or why it needs to be part of some putative new party for it to be worth it

He'd definitely win with ethnic minority/working class voters, it's the soppy middle class Guardian readers who might vote against him.

wow, just heard a rare case of the bbc quoting Forde on the double standards and "hierarchy of racism" within Labour and actually scrutinising Ed Mili on his bland and evasive response to questions.

They are getting themselves into bits here.

Ed Miliband claimed Corbyn will be banned as a Labour candidate because of antisemitism. Except Starmers motion to ban him doesnt mention antisemitism at all

What it does mention is the 2019 election, when Labour got a higher % of the vote than Ed got in 2015 #R4Today pic.twitter.com/WS9WyE7DY7

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) March 28, 2023

Ed Mil is bad again >:(

I don't think Corbyn is the most principled MP in parliament. He would have never been leader for that long if he was. His leadership was spent on compromise, which wasn't his thing but was necessary to try and gain power to do things which were good. He did it badly, with a lot of opposition, he was defeated and now he can do his campaigns again, whether he is an MP or not.

If he gets to be an NP again and wins he might be in a position of voting against a potential Starmer government in very tight votes. That sounds good to me.

He'd definitely win with ethnic minority/working class voters, it's the soppy middle class Guardian readers who might vote against him.

The motion is so peculiar in its wording that you have to question the political chops of the people that put it together. It demonstrates the weakness of their position and has made a bad (for them) situation worse

But they know they can shout it thru with full press support and that's all that matters I guess

I think when reality bites -- if they win -- they will be so clueless to deal with it, and with no base support, which can v easily switch to Lib Dem/Tory.

It’s worse than bad: Ed Miliband has known Corbyn since he was a kid, through his dad, and Corbyn defended them both from some seriously antisemitic tropes when nobody, not even Jewish MPs and Labour officials, would step up to do the same.

I'm sure that Kieth's peevish whining voice will go over even better with the public when he's defending his government's failure to deliver meaningful change week in week out

The motion is so peculiar in its wording

It's for the legal stuff. Ed is stupid.

Also, to avoid debating if JC is antisem or not. Because they might lose that one, then they'd have to rescind...

I read (on twitter so all possible caveats) that the strange wording was fashioned with a specific recent courtcase in mind: a prospective lab councillor in liverpool sued the party when she wasn't selected, she felt for factional and unjust reasons -- but she lost and hence they wanted to nudge this (potential) case in a similar direction, to ward off the likelihood of legal action from corbyn. assuming this is correct, the word choice wasn't merely negative and defensive -- avoiding any topic where they were on very shaky ground, as everyone is saying, gyac and xyz and so on -- but calculated to place any similar suit at a disadvantage because it wd have to be about matters a court would not want to make judgment on, such as "the good of the party"

It's for the legal stuff. Ed is stupid.

Extremely cucked of Ed M to go out and defend this lol. Those who drafted it hate him as well, and won't be displeased that the wording of the motion gives a pretext for shitcanning him also

Suzy is OTM. EM must know that JC was the only MP to stick up for his late father.

Sounds like EM is indeed bad again.

Almost 14k of them voted Lib Dem/Tory last time, they will do so again! Strongly doubt anyone voted for him in a super safe labour seat in 2019 that didn’t explicitly want to.

I wish I shared your optimism on that score, there will be people who voted Labour in the last GE who will do so again - and not vote for Corbyn.

I still think Corbyn would win but it'll not be a cakewalk by any means.

Lot of tory and lib dem supporters in the constituency might well vote for official labour candidate as well, perhaps w tacit encouragement from national parties

"I don’t think that is why, he’s literally just repeating the actual given reason Corbyn was suspended as that’s the like he’s been given to take."

But this reason isn't cited in the NEC motion. So if AS has not been cited bcz it could be challenged legally isn't it bad that a shadow cabinet member is talking of 'actual' reasoning.

It's so frustrating to see the current leadership miss open goals while making three separate statements about Jeremy Corbyn. Only Labour factions care about Corbyn now; I don't think voters do. Constantly attacking him just looks like more infighting at the expense of ideas.

— Ellie Mae O'Hagan (@elliemaeohagan) March 27, 2023

Ellie - they have no ideas.

Asked by @MattChorley whether he’d canvass for Jeremy Corbyn if he runs as an independent in Islington North, Jon Lansman tells Times Radio: “No I certainly wouldn’t. I want to see Keir Starmer elected.”

— Patrick Maguire (@patrickkmaguire) March 28, 2023

are there any examples from recent history of a sitting MP leaving or being forced out of their party, and then retaining their seat at the next election? The Militant Tendency's Dave Nellist came close in 1992 after being blocked from standing as a Labour candidate - the vote was split more or less evenly between Nellist, the Conservative candidate and the Labour party candidate, with the latter narrowly winning the seat. Of the 30 or so Labour Mps who defected to the SDP between 1981 and 1983, the vast majority lost their seats in the 1983 election - the SDP won 6 seats in total and 2 or 3 of those were seats that had been won at by-elections by candidates standing under the SDP banner. Not a sitting MP, but the left-winger Peter Law stood an independent and defeated the Labour candidate to win Blaenau Gwent in 2005 after being blocked from standing for Lab by the imposition of an all-women shortlist, so it can be done.

Lab very quickly becomes a machine whose sole function is to make sure there are no left-wingers of any kind. But that's purely a party question.

Meanwhile the Tories quickly gain attack lines because that's all Labour can talk about. They can't turn round and say what they might do for people. You have no focus on that.

The motion is so peculiar in its wording that you have to question the political chops of the people that put it together.

This is exactly what I thought. This and the Sue Gray stuff suggest they are crap at politics.

when I said what remains of the Labour left will be put in an awkward position of Corbyn if Corbyn runs as an independent that Jon Lansman quote above is the kind of thing I was thinking of - if he wants to stay in the Labour party he can't openly support Corbyn because he'd be kicked out - but if e.g. Momentum doesn't support Corbyn them people might start to wonder what the point of the group continuing is (obviously if you think working within Lab is a dead end then you might see this as a good thing)

Looking forward to Starmer will refusing to form a government if Labour win the election because Corbyn won Islington North.

Why would a sentient, sane person, who has seen KS on TV or heard anything he has said in the last 3 years, make the statement: "I want to see Keir Starmer elected" ?

It's very difficult to say it with your tongue in your cheek.

🐦[Asked by @MattChorley🕸 whether he’d canvass for Jeremy Corbyn if he runs as an independent in Islington North, Jon Lansman tells Times Radio: “No I certainly wouldn’t. I want to see Keir Starmer elected.”
— Patrick Maguire (@patrickkmaguire) March 28, 2023🕸]🐦

I think Ed Miliband is acting pathetically & dishonestly, but I’m not sure “he shouldn’t do this because Corbyn defended his father” is much of an argument really.

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) March 28, 2023

We can lay a 'Corbyn betrayed' narrative on top of all this but it would be mistaken. Corbyn should know the environment he is operating in.

If a lot of Lab left say "I want Starmer elected" in Islington he won't be elected as an Independent.

The Labour left are not the voters of Islington north.

I'm talking about the ones that could be likely to stick with JC as an Independent candidate.

But if they start thinking like one-time JC ally Jon Lansman..

He has to say or he'd be kicked out of the party. I'm pretty certain he'd vote for Corbyn if he lived in the constituency - he's not going to turn round and tell a reporter that though.

Yeah I also don't see why the voters of Islington would care much what Zarah Sultana or Diane Abbott or whoever could hypothetically say about wanting Starmer elected. xpost

I was thinking what if the voters transferred that electoral mindset to their decision on the day.

xp to soref: Jeffrey Donaldson left the UUP for the DUP (quite successfully in the end) in 2003, kept representing Lagan Valley since.

(xp) As I said earlier sone undoubtedly will.. I don't think many Momentum/ erstwhile Corbynistas will though

Ed Miliband poo-poohed the idea that Jeremy Corbyn was actually an antisemite because he’s known the man since childhood but the goalposts moved to ‘could not or would not fix the problem’ a long time ago. Worth remembering he also encouraged his friend Kier Starmer to stand in Holborn and St Pancras in the first place.

pic.twitter.com/E4k9yvIOJA

— Islington North Labour Party (@IslingtonNorth) March 28, 2023

Now watch them disband the local branch and prolong this story even longer while the Tories rub their hands with glee at this choice piece of distraction.

when I said what remains of the Labour left will be put in an awkward position of Corbyn if Corbyn runs as an independent that Jon Lansman quote above is the kind of thing I was thinking of

"As a Labour member of course we want party members to be elected but I will always welcome strong independent voices and allies to stand alongside us like my great friend JC"

are there any examples from recent history of a sitting MP leaving or being forced out of their party, and then retaining their seat at the next election?

Its rare, voters don't seem big on independent voters, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get the choice if thats what Corbyn decides to do

Agree with Anvil.

Ed M shouldn't say what he says because it is false.

But the fact that JC has publicly defended both Ed M, and Ed M's father, is relevant data. Any ordinary person would take it into account when thinking 'should I publicly attack this person who has previously stood by me and my family?'

It is natural to think that someone who would behave like this is in some way bad.

An odd aspect of it is that Ed M isn't very senior or respected by KS's Labour anyway, and would have had much better prospects with JC, if he'd wanted to.

This guy won two elections as an independent and only lost the third one because the Lib Dems decided to run a candidate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Taylor_(British_politician)

lol why does wikipedia hate when you close the brackets

But the fact that JC has publicly defended both Ed M, and Ed M's father, is relevant data. Any ordinary person would take it into account when thinking 'should I publicly attack this person who has previously stood by me and my family?'

Both of the younger Milibands basically sold out and renounced their father's idea of socialism, so I'm not that surprised at any further selling out.

As to the original question of the thread, I am probably going to be voting Labour because I like my MP but I feel so fucking dirty about it, ugh. Maybe 'tis I who is the sell-out.

one of the few other MPs to hold a seat for 4 decades is Sheerman. But he's always been unpopular in his constituency, you could have replaced him with any other detestable human garbage and it still would have been a safe Labour seat. Corbyn seems the opposite to me, and with all the authoritarian noise coming from Labour right now. I think he could see off any Labour ghoul on his own patch. All that shit tailored for the red wall and dithering soft tories isn't going impress enough North London voters to supplant him imo.

Labour's NEC votes to block Corbyn from running as party candidate at election by 22 votes to 12

Roll call of scum

Am told Deputy Leader Angela Rayner absent for today's NEC vote ...

Her union (and Jeremy's), Unison, also abstained.

Delegates from Unite, CWU, FBU, ASLEF, TSSA voted against

GMB, USDAW and MU voted for Starmer's motion

— Andrew Fisher (@FisherAndrew79) March 28, 2023

I have spent my life fighting for a fairer society on behalf of the people of Islington North, and I have no intention of stopping now. pic.twitter.com/9HuvErXpEp

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) March 28, 2023

<3 <3 <3

One of the longest-serving trade unionists on the NEC, who voted for Andy Burnham rather than Corbyn to be leader in 2015, reportedly told the meeting he has served under several leaders and respected them all, concluding, “but you Starmer I have no respect for”. Starmer was sat only a few seats away....

Starmer’s duplicitous sectarianism will likely mean fewer Labour members, less union funding, and, if Corbyn stands as an independent, more party resource in the next election going into fighting what should have been a safe Labour seat. Bizarrely and counterproductively it could also give Corbyn a much higher profile in that election than he would have had as just another Labour backbencher.

Where’s that from, Calz?

Duplicitous Keir Starmer is dividing Labour, and it may come back to haunt him

My latest for @ipaperviews, on today's NEC vote https://t.co/TieCK0LlQL

— Andrew Fisher (@FisherAndrew79) March 28, 2023

Andrew Fisher in the DM owned i-paper thingy

It's a good statement. I hope it's true.

I was reflecting yesterday, have I reached the point (which I suspect Calzino shares) of actively wanting KS's Labour to do as badly as possible in an election? Or is that merely counter-productive? I think I *have* reached that point.

I want a resounding election loss that is so bad for Labour that it becomes an absolute repudiation of everything they are. But that isn't going to happen unfortunately.

Yeah, a loss to parallel the last one seems impossible so my stance on who wins the next one is indifference, though I confess a labour defeat would be funnier.

At the same time and tying in to emil.y's post I have no problems voting for my local labour MP because that is a good thing on a local level and a tory victory, while not worse than a lab one, also wouldn't be any better. Obv if your local candidate's a cunt it's a different story.

A short, disastrous Kieth premiership is what I'm going for.

You'll have a long wait, he's unelectable

The polls are saying otherwise.

But hey if he loses I'll be happy.

I'd like a low turnout. Racist Pensioners only, not as if policy is catering for anyone else.

They have a habit of doing that!

Election Day is different

Pensioners still hold balance of power for this election, probably the one after. The one after that though age structure of electorate will have shifted, might be more difficult to predict then

I think polls only get it wrong when they say the better alternative might win, so depending on how this shakes out we'll have a def answer as to whether Kier is worse than the tories.

Also, polls are for an election date of today. Not for an election date of when the election will be

Pensioners still hold balance of power for this election, probably the one after. The one after that though age structure of electorate will have shifted, might be more difficult to predict then

― anvil, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 bookmarkflaglink

I wouldn't bother about structures - the planet will be cooked by then.

You'll have a long wait, he's unelectable

No-one is unelectable against this Tory party.

A banking event? People will elect Starmer so fast to save their pensions.

He's a white man in a suit who lies to get what he wants. Highly electable, to me.

and seeing as racist pensioners are significant powerbrokers here, being a white man adds to the electability score. Even with a detestable little untrustworthy gimp like Kieth.

He might want to keep serving his constituents you dickhead

We need a Labour government not a lone backbencher - Jeremy should follow Tony Benn & leave Parliament to devote more time to politics where his voice as a Labour member & former Leader will be heard louder than in the Palace of Westminster https://t.co/GNNJWpO8sX

— Jon Lansman 🟣 (@jonlansman) March 29, 2023

total party yes-man to the core, an absolute fraud.

Labour on 325 seats and Corbyn winning comfortably is still my preference. The heat!

I don't want to validate the current Labour leadership at all (which may surprise one or two of you) but it looks like I'm going to be in Daniel's boat given where I'm moving soon - a safe Labour seat where a protest vote wouldn't have much effect, and what looks like a good (albeit unproven) candidate. Where will the work to either establish an alternative or reclaim Labour be done though? The ballot box feels increasingly unlikely

His company is owned by a private equity firm with multiple violations in health & safety, labour and environmental standards according to the @VT__UK database https://t.co/oau0KIKtKk https://t.co/N5qB52698p pic.twitter.com/BorvGLbB8D

— Sii (@skippy_0h) March 29, 2023

Perfect choice.

I mean, it's politics there's always likely to be some ambitious little shit ready to jettison friends, family, principles for a crack at the big time.

It's a prerequisite if you want to be selected for a seat by these ghouls.

Gotta get jumped into the gang.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Ff3097506-cd8e-11ed-b678-b1f2f968726b.jpg?crop=1000%2C562%2C0%2C52&resize=1500

the pic over the Times headline "Meet the new Jeremy Corbyn"

I voted Green once but, other than that, I've never not voted Labour. My local MP is Jeremy Corbyn, so there's my get out clause
― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago)

Underrated post.

I'm not voting for Jeremy Corbyn in the next GE because these days my main passion in life is to support the advancement of private healthcare. Sorry lads.
― Dadaismus, the Male Poster (Dada), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 16:07 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've only recently found out that the wife of our organization's CEO is a Green Party bigwig who stood against Corbyn a couple of times. So now I am haunted by the thought I might have inadvertently voted for the useless cunt's wife for the London Assembly via proportional representation.

well at least your boss and his partner won't be having multiple expensive, ecologically unsound long-haul flight holidays every year, because you rarely find any hypocritical bullshit merchants involved with the Green Party.

running a closer rule over my prospective candidate miatta fahnbulleh (if my next tenancy lasts anything over a year)

- oxford ppe lol
- outgoing ceo of a think tank
- policy adviser to ed miliband oh dear, based on her twitter she still seems v tight with him as well, albeit largely based around his green advocacy

+ successful asylum seeker
+ it seems to be quite left-wing as think tanks go
+ the late lamented dawn foster seemed to get on quite well with her in this interview
+ there was a whole hoo-hah with starmer trying to slip his own candidate (who was not her) into the seat, but this got thoroughly squashed
+ even though she's v much On Board with Labour obviously, there's a notable lack of her pushing starmer content on twitter (you'd think miliband was still leader haha)

- she is a big peston fan haha. shortly i'm going to see how she comes across on this panel

? aaron bastani really likes her
:/ rachel reeves led the congrats when she won the candidacy
:) so did diane abbott
:! so did tom newton dunn
:) her candidacy was supported by mick lynch and andy burnham. she is notably supportive of striking workers

idk she seems like she'd be at home in a left or right Labour govt, probably left-melt on the ILX Labour axis, more to see before making judgement, maybe some of you know her better. but she does seem to be a genuine left economist, which can't be too bad?

ilx first mention for when she's PM in ten years obv

Sounds great, I'm sure she'll be a huge asset to Starmer's racist transphobic authoritarian anti-socialist party

Good thread from a serious person.

I left the Labour Party a few months ago. It wasn’t a rash decision, I’d been thinking about it for some time and finally decided to end my membership on my birthday (a sort of treat to myself). Here are the reasons that made me finally pull the plug...

— Max Shanly (@maxshanly) March 29, 2023

Imago, that's a good diligent summary.

My suggestion: when she canvasses in your area, ask her if she agrees with the expulsion of JC from the PLP. If she says "this was the right decision, he has failed to apologise for his past conduct and is electorally harmful to our party" then never vote for her.

Labour are offering to freeze council tax for a year, with some vague flam about offering compensatory funds to local authorities to make up the shortfall. Inspirational stuff.

i was thinking more to ask her what she'll do to counteract starmer

anyone who's anyone has quit Labour at some point over the past two years lol. whether the tipping-point was the cack-handed sacking of long-bailey (mine) or something else, starmer has dished up a never-ending accumulation of dorky malevolent bullshit (am aware this is gonna get tu quoque'd to hell lol)

the dearth of ideas and dynamism to change society for the better is the real killer tho as calz intimates. so much wishy-washy nothing in a time of emergency

the real killer is actually voting for authoritarian neolibs who are very vocally promising you big heaps of authoritarian neoliberalism

well that too

I’d say active evil in a time of emergency

ppl are desperate & their pitch is we will deport faster & get tough on scary youths in hooded tops

and be tough on the very drugs the rest of europe and even fuckin america is busy legalising. yeah, vile

but also, so dorky, he's such a cops and robbers dweeb

Labour are offering to freeze council tax for a year, with some vague flam about offering compensatory funds to local authorities to make up the shortfall. Inspirational stuff.

― calzino, Thursday, 30 March 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Corbyn et al. got really bogged down by costing things up and presenting this to people who have austerity in their brains. Very hard to see how we escape this until we reach an emergency point.

"the dearth of ideas and dynamism to change society for the better is the real killer"

Don't agree with this at all. The problem for me is not that KS's Labour is mediocre, unimaginative and timid, but that it's actively malevolent and deliberately as harmful as possible to good people. Its actions repeatedly, consistently demonstrate this.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them."

Jovial. Jaunty. Jaw-dropping.

It's today's Tompkins.#BazakeTompkins pic.twitter.com/nbWBP0HcdX

— BAZAKE (@BazakeMedia) March 30, 2023

it's the funniness of them NOT being funny at all and all that...

Tompsky nails it again

It's worse than that, calzino - Starmer is vowing that he would freeze council tax this year, if he was PM. It's explicitly not a promise to freeze it next year or whenever they get in.

lol amazing

One of the biggest weaknesses Corbyn and McDonnell have is a genuine love for the Labour Party. If they were a fraction as cynical about it as their opponents we would have been so much better off https://t.co/Jt4JNnEB30

— remoaner flowers (@AliceAvizandum) March 31, 2023

someone mentioned that he worked much harder to get Allister Campbell back in the party. In the Eagleton book it seemed like an obsession of his iirc. Which indicates he is actually pretty shit and institutionally party-brained to the point where all his words and gestures from the previous leadership mean fuck all really.

i seriously think believing in Labour is a form of emptiness at this point: devoid of ideas, devoid of hope for any (other) way of making the world less fucked

I guess the likes of Mc and Corbyn have always believed in Lab through the worse of the Blair years...then much later they got to power.

Guess they think it could happen again.

Except this is a time of emergency (climate change), but then again they were closer to the generation that faced the Nazis so..

i wrote a despairing letter to Tony Benn around 1998 asking him what the point was and he sent a thoughtful reply that didn't much help but bless him for doing it

To win over Workington Man and Stevenage Woman, the report says Labour must recognise both are more conservative on social and cultural issues than most of Labour’s current backers, requiring a tougher stance on crime, immigration and defence. They also need to see ambitious plans to revive Britain’s economy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/01/stevenage-woman-vital-to-labour-success-at-next-election-analysts-say

can you imagine getting paid to write this kind of 'analysis', literally the easiest job in the world

it's so boring

they think they're being fucking slick by inventing these characters to project their racism and authoritarianism onto so they can pretend it's tactical instead of ideological. but they're not and it shows such contempt for basically everyone

correct on all counts

it's also deliberately setting out the rules for wouldbe sensible normies: "these are the things you should think"

The report acknowledges that there are concerns on the left that pursuing the new band of voters could “imperil the Labour party’s core support”, but argues there is no electoral case for the concern – claiming that Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

sure graun

when you can't even be arsed to make your bullshit credible

Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

Starmer is winning more of Britain’s most leftwing voters than Corbyn did.

i would like to see a Channel 5 show called Britain's Most Leftwing Voters tbf

lol

i reckon the leftwing voters are drawn to this kind of revolutionary social transformation

The Tories are allowing Britain's beautiful rivers and coastlines to be turned into open sewers.

Labour will take action to tackle the scandal of sewage dumping.

We'll introduce mandatory monitoring and automatic fines to hold those responsible to account.

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) April 1, 2023

listen to the puny dormouse offering to monitor the cats. The government is already getting tougher on fining water companies, they can probably just price it in and still pay their shareholders fat dividends.

Monitoring, surveys, reports, commissions, fines, a bit of HR here and PR there with sustainability on top. Really what his constituency lives and breathes on.

isn't that exactly what the Tories said this morning?

https://inews.co.uk/news/environment/water-companies-unlimited-fines-government-plans-polluters-2248577

if you had a competition for which party has the most greedy corrupt MP's in the pocket of private water companies - I've no idea who would win

they said penis on cnn april fools

— wint (@dril) April 1, 2023

Guardian letter writers are shocked by Labour's recent adverts.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/10/labours-advert-attacking-rishi-sunak-is-a-new-low-for-the-party

Kieth is losing the Marina Hyde fan-club and some of the pol prof community, his campaign office perhaps shouldn't have advised him to double down on the ad. I really hope it damages Labour, but they've probably calculated that it's a hit they can take.

It's only metropolitan elites who don't like it

Kieth in his £2m North London townhouse: fuck the metropolitan elites!

I saw a twitter account getting suspended for posting Kieth's full postal address and postcode the other week.

resisted the urge to screenshot it and order him a ton of manure

Anybody who mocks privilege discourse could get a lot of instruction from looking at the current Labour 4 Lyfe boosters and all that they're prepared to ignore or wave away

"reportedly"

not to get all "Corbyn has never read Ulysses" but totally refuse to believe that this cold, calculating psychopath has any artistic inclinations whatsoever pic.twitter.com/Sl4ECZ2a9t

— RP Corp International Division (@RPCorpIntl) April 27, 2023

obvs this isn't a completely serious conversation, but (to be serious for a second) we should probably start from the assumption that everyone is capable of artistic feeling and expression, even people we think are cunts

— Peter Mitchell (@pdkmitchell) April 27, 2023

Painful to admit but it seems he was pretty musical when he was younger.

He was a junior exhibitioner at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama until the age of 18, and played the flute, piano, recorder and violin.

(xp)

Painful indeed.

oh he's such a renaissance man. I chose to believe his renditions of the B-dog's sonatas are so passionless and dismally dull that it wouldn't be correct to attribute "artistic expression" to this boring cunt in this case!

He has to do a recital like the time Clinton played sax.

boogie woogie duet with Jools Holland on Later coming soon

The B-dog !! :D

so he benefitted from free music tuition in the 70's/80's? (or maybe his humble toolmaker dad paid for private tuition). It's a good job he's going to roll back all those austerity cuts to school music departments so people from poorer backgrounds get a chance for some artistic expression as well.

anyway you should listen to Barenboim playing the sonatas and then forget about silly stories of some drunken fat fingered hack abusing a piano in his £4m townhouse, with a bottle of Jameson on the lid.

He was a Junior Exhibitioner?

hmmm...

Are we talking about Starmer here or Sir Alex Ferguson?

(xp)

lol!

he has a piece on the new wedding present book picking his favourite track

on / in

I’m on the same page as @Keir_Starmer, literally 😁 @UKLabour @weddingpresent @richard040560 #allthesongssoundthesame pic.twitter.com/8b3DL8zbmg

— Iain Key (@iainkey) April 19, 2023

His flair for vivid and colourful storytelling really takes you back there and is another good example of his artistic capability.

I would imagine he's in good company in what is potentially the most boring book ever published...

Co-edited by David Lewis Gedge, lead singer and main songwriter with The Wedding Present, and music writer Richard Houghton, All The Songs Sound The Same brings together over 300 stories from fans, friends and current and former members of The Wedding Present, who each write about their favourite song by The Wedding Presents."

thanks for making me give up on the Wedding Present as well as the Labour Party you grim turd

Wouldn’t Stella Creasy already have had that effect?

We are so doomed https://t.co/0zR5l5fvPi pic.twitter.com/iDb4YOg45s

— William Kedjanyi (@KeejayOV3) April 29, 2023

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23490266.labour-branches-express-concern-mp-selection-process/

"The financial situation has changed. Pray it doesn't change any further." pic.twitter.com/93uEpIoele

— Phil (@Piplodocus_) May 2, 2023

He added there were "other ways of approaching this"

no there aren't you ugly piece of human garbage. Ed pledged to knock tuition fees down to 6 grand and got rinsed in the election because his manifesto was weak pish.

The Labour Right are pro student loans anyway

he was on Today this morning and i had to switch it off immediately. like having a deputy headteacher unsure of his own authority right in my kitchen

there is no magic money tree for education or healthcare they say, but they can always shake out billions from the fucker when the private sector donors that own them click their fingers. They are grotesque and pointless.

the excuses are so fucking threadbare. you either make these things a priority or you don't.

it's a good job we've got Putin and covid, because otherwise this card would be trying to use the 2008 financial crisis as an excuse for maintaining the austerity consensus.

Fucking using a Theresa May attack line from 2017 as a reason voters don’t deserve anything except more penury

I saw an amusing little sideshow on twitter yesterday. Babs had deleted a lie tweet about her buying her first home at the age of 20 after someone pointed out she had many times previously given a different autobiographical version of events. lol, these people who lose themselves in lies.

In other words, it's the most popular option pic.twitter.com/e7DnElioS7

— P.G. Chodehouse (@mynnoj) May 2, 2023

Hilary Clinton derided it as "Chocolate milk for everybody!" when Bernie Sanders proposed it in the US. It doesn't matter how popular a policy is to these corporate ghouls.

Some legitimate concerns are more, er, legitimate than others.

The Labour leader said it was “early days” for the Public Order Act, under which the group was detained for 16 hours before being released and told no charges would be brought. Rather than committing to repeal the legislation, Starmer suggested fresh guidance could make improvements amid concerns it was being used to clamp down on dissent.

“The police have obviously apologised in relation to some of those cases,” he said. “They’re a difficult judgment call, we all understand why action has to be taken in relation to Just Stop Oil and that sort of tactic but on our hand obviously we need to protect legitimate protests, so it’s a judgment call.

“They got some of those judgments wrong, as they have accepted, and I think that’s a learning experience for them, as we go forward we need to ensure there’s perhaps better guidance or something.”

You could stop Just Stop Oil by stopping new drilling licences, no police state necessary

“better guidance or something”

let's not be too rash to judge the embryonic UK fascist police state, it's early days yet says the unscrupulous cunt who also has history of not judging a hate mob, who were burning effigies of GRT children.

Well it’s not like they did anything really bad like steal some water

“better guidance or something”

― michel goindry (wins), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 bookmarkflaglink

😬😬😬

The other sensible labour counter seems to be that actually many of the protesters were arrested under the policing act of last year not the public order act & it’s like no shit you gallus pricks, we want that fascist law repealed too

It was a whole thing!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/11/female-labour-mp-accuses-shadow-minister-of-sexual-assault

She is reluctant to make a formal complaint through Labour’s own independent complaints system, although she was encouraged to, as she felt his popularity within the party would not help her case.

This does not sound good in any way.

so she's basically saying Labour's independent complaints system tends to ignore serious complaints made against MP's if they are high profile front benchers, colour me surprised.

For gods' sake please don't vote for this cunt

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-real-conservatives-keir-starmer-protect-way-life-2337576

I always thought the only reason he didn't join the Conservative Party was a sense of embarrassment about his stupid Labour history geek name. But at least now he explains why he didn't need to do it.

>>> insisting his party’s transformation will be like “Clause IV on steroids” – a reference to Sir Tony’s decision to abandon the goal of common ownership of industry – with a focus on putting communities “in charge of their own destiny” and a reformed state.

Sir Keir will offer a personal view of his own patriotism, based on understanding the “true worth of service, respect and stability” and criticise those who harbour “patronising contempt for those who fly our flag”. <<<

Would anyone actually say "I'm going to do [X] - on steroids!" ?

Only KS.

"I'm going to do the Olympic 100 metres final on steroids."

:D

"on steroids" in this case really means all the most negative and reactionary aspects of New Labour but this time not propping up poverty wages with tax credits and fully committed to the austerity consensus, so not dissimilar to the May govt. Which Tory govts of the last decade are the *real* conservatives is a more of a pertinent question for the DM and Con Home, it shouldn't be a pitch made a year before a GE by the leader of a supposed party of Labour. Grim times for democracy.

He’s like Theresa May on Imodium

lol, Theresa May - without the charisma

I saw a Kieth supporter responding to Tory twitter taunts about the sexual assault by one of the shadow cabinet and lack of action taken thereof, and they responded with "but what about the rapist in the Tory party, eh?"

He's a cunt like (most of) the rest of his party

xp i saw that too calz. tell me you don't care about sexual violence without telling me etc

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2023/05/26/TELEMMGLPICT000337204253_16851076279810_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqRo0U4xU-30oDveS4pXV-Vv4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82k.jpeg

lol, nice juxtaposition there

It was great to catch up with my friend @CondoleezzaRice to discuss China, Ukraine and the Global South at this moment of huge geopolitical change. pic.twitter.com/Nl5Qd4hhTP

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) September 7, 2023

it's a club and we're not in it