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― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid AND Fergie!?!?!?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Including fake movie trailers in between both movies.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

trailer:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XlKUPBfzIXw

― gear (gear), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

oh duh : /

― gear (gear), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

i'm down!

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think I plan to ignore the 900 articles about the artistic merit of an endeavour like this and just see it a dozen fucking times in the theatre anyway.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Momus to thread!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Tom Savini! I love when people make movies for me.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

already looks ten times more entertaining than Sin City, that's fer sure!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

a loving genre homage from two of the generation's most innovative directors - or something like that, meh.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

looking forward to the Tarantino side, but Rodriguez just lost the plot somewhere around Spy Kids VII.

Probably won't be as good as The Devil's Rejects (serious take on grindhouse vs. ironic, serious is gonna win).

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the devil's rejects was so... serious.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

It was, yeah. Zombie took the look and style seriously, without lampooning and in-jokes.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

yay in-jokes

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

The previews for this look great. AMPUTEES WITH GUNS FOR LEGS! I'm IN!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

You mean ROSE MCGOWAN WITH GUN FOR LEG!

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

Eagerly anticipating the Tarantino half. Not so much with Rodriguez.

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

OMG XPOST

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 27 January 2007 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yes Milo we saw when you said that above too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 27 January 2007 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

Probably won't be as good as The Devil's Rejects (serious take on grindhouse vs. ironic, serious is gonna win).

-- milo z (wooderso...), October 12th, 2006 5:24 AM. (mlp)

this still cracks me up. dude it ends with a montage set to "freebird."

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 28 January 2007 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

i'm really excited for this. i am here to anticipate, y'all.

― gunther heartymeal (keckles), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

I just sewed secret booze pockets into an old army jacket in preparation for this eagerly anticipated (by me) film experience!!!! I seriously did!

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

i'm going with you

― mothers against celibacy (skowly), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

In the pocket?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

No, unnder the armpits!

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:57 (nineteen years ago)

No one will look there because it smeell bad! WIN - WIN

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

wait, so when is this coming out?

― mothers against celibacy (skowly), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

April 6th, I think.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

REVIVE

why because it look interestin

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha great exchange from another message board re: Rose McGowan gun leg:

"How does she wear heels?"
"Technically she wears heel."

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Our choices seem to be inexorably dividing themselves up into (a) idiotic movies that don't know they're idiotic and (b) idiotic movies that know they're idiotic and think that's really clever of them.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

'Maiden of Death' - one of the trailers that played with the SXSW preview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K-Micq6npM

I think I'd rather see a full-length version of Maiden than the Robert Rodriguez movie.

― milo z, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

"(b) idiotic movies that know they're idiotic and think that's really clever of them." OTM times Pi

― i, grey, Thursday, 15 March 2007 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

I shouldn't entirely say that, because I'm sure I could go see these and be vaguely entertained, but I'm still not sure what makes genuinely ironized pulp somehow a better idea than fake-ironized pulp (Snakes on a Plane) or non-ironized pulp (Smokin' Aces) or whatever.

Actually I take that back: I doubt I could stand a whole double feature of this stuff, not even if it were mid-afternoon and I were 18 again and hanging out with my college friends. But I'll admit I'm not committed enough to film-viewing in itself to have a very worthwhile opinion.

― nabisco, Thursday, 15 March 2007 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

Tom Scharpling on WFMU last night:

"Didn't Quentin Tarantino used to make NEW movies, instead of tributes to the terrible movies he likes? ... 'Hey remember those cheap old bad movies from the '70s?' No, I avoided them because they're atrocious."

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Rob Zombie's fake trailer sounds like the one to catch:

Rodriguez recalled Zombie's pitch: "He goes, 'It's called 'Werewolf Women of the SS.' I said, 'Say no more. Go shoot it.' "

And shoot he did. While all three trailers were shot in just two days apiece, Wright and Roth essentially shot only what ended up on screen. Zombie estimates that he had enough footage to make a solid half-hour movie and was particularly pained to whittle it down.

Zombie assembled quite a cast for his mini-movie, including Udo Kier and Sybil Danning, B-movie character actors Bill Moseley and Tom Towles, and his wife, Sheri Moon Zombie. Best of all, however, is an appearance by Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu.

How exactly one gets from Nazi scientists to topless superwomen, machine-gunning werewolves to Fu Manchu remains delightfully obscure in the trailer, and that confusion is not only intentional but, as Zombie explains, a tip of the hat to exploitation convention.

"I was getting very conceptual in my own mind with it," he says. "A lot of these movies, they would be made cheaply. The real famous Nazi-type movie, 'Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS,' was made on the leftover sets from 'Hogan's Heroes.' That's why that movie, for a cheap exploitation film, it looks pretty nice.

"A lot of times these movies would be made like, 'Well, you know, I've got a whole bunch of Nazi uniforms, but I got this Chinese set too. We'll put 'em together!' They start jamming things in there, so I took that approach."

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-03/28670624.jpg

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still not sure what makes genuinely ironized pulp somehow a better idea than fake-ironized pulp (Snakes on a Plane) or non-ironized pulp (Smokin' Aces) or whatever.

It's all in the execution. Tarantino and Rodriguez are (imo) far better directors than Joe Carnahan or David R. Ellis (Aces & SOAP). The former can pull off the overstylization with a verve and visual wit that eludes the latter. The idea behind Grindhouse is silly, and were it in the hands of Carnahan & Ellis I wouldn't bother with it in a million years, but I've enjoyed the atmosphere and humor that T&R bring to their work in the past; I'll roll with them this time too.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

*have brought to their work

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

The trailer for the fake Eli Roth movie which looks better than any real Eli Roth movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H249-dd-F4

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

I won't have any hating on the Spy Kids.

The fake trailers of this hooplah sound the most interesting part.

― Abbott, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

saw it this morning. better than i thought!

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

SO EXCITED YOU GUYS

I think I'll go buy tickets at lunch for the 7:00.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know Tom Scharpling was a crotchety old fart!

― David R., Friday, 6 April 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

I almost want to see this on Easter Sunday. In fact that's an extremely good idea.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Also, milo mentioning his disinterest in RR 3 different times over the span of 6 months on a 30+ post thread = priceless.

― David R., Friday, 6 April 2007 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Nick's review, from other Grindhouse thread:

I swear there was another Grindhouse thread going, but I can't find it...

Saw a sneak preview of this tonight. Overall, it was fun and good and mindless and really long and pretty much what you would expect.

Rodriguez's half, "Terror Planet" was more succesful overall, just straight-out superviolent comedy horror. And when I say superviolent, I mean it - this might be the goriest movie I've seen since "Dead Alive" (with the lawnmower scene semi-recreated with a, um, heavier piece of equipment at the end). Not recommended if you have a weak stomach.

Tarantino's half, "Death Proof" ran hot and cold, basically depending on whether Kurt Russell was in the scene or not. Russell was great, of course, but there were loooong gaps without him that were really talky and don't contribute much to the movie. Tarantino could have easily cut 20 minutes and not lost anything important. The action sequences were pretty fun though.

Rodriguez seemed more committed to the "grindhouse" concept, using what looked like ancient film stock, warped scenes, faded colors, etc. Tarantino used some of that at the beginning of his half but seemed to give up on it after 30 minutes or so.

The "prevues" were great. Bizarro Nicolas Cage cameo in one of them.

-- n/a, Sunday, April 1, 2007 9:07 PM (4 days ago)

Wouldn't it make sense that the second movie on a double bill would be less preferred, less, watched, and less scratchy? And that the beginning would be scratchier than the rest?

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

T-minus 2 hours until I go see this at the Rialto in South Pasadena, an ancient theater that shows Rocky Horror and other similar fare on the regular.

There will be whisky attending the viewing with me.

― B.L.A.M., Friday, 6 April 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

From what reviews I've read (and from what I can tell from the synopsis) Death Proof is more like an authentic grindhouse film. I mean, grindhouse movies are 33% awesome violency stuff, 66% boring bad acting talky scenes. Planet Terror sounds more like if you just made a pseudo-grindhouse movie out of all the best parts of grindhouse. Alsoooo the second film in a grindhouse double-bill is the "better" film.

I AM GOING TOMORROW.

― jessie monster, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kinda excited by this, but then I remember how totally horrible From Dusk Til Dawn was.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

wtf dude that movie is awesome

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

to my 8th grade brane that was the most awesome movie ever.

i still like it, it's no classic but it's fun.

― latebloomer, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I just remembered being annoyed at how many sight gags were stolen from other films. And how unwatchable Tarantino is as an actor.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

i'll give you all that, but it's still fun. and funny.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly you all have forgotten how Once Upon a Time in Mexico was the best worst movie ever.

― jessie monster, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Dudes, dudes, dudes, let's not fight. Surely we can all agree on this one:

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― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/f/images/from-dusk-till-dawn-2-poster-0.jpg

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/grindhouse-gang/16045/

― Ward Fowler, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

also R.I.P. Bob Clark

― Ward Fowler, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think fewer people should be competing for the title of "best worst movie ever."

― nabisco, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

looks like i may be going to see this tonight whoop whoop

the rodriguez segment looks like it may bore me to tears. i could barely make it thru once upon a time in mexico. i have quite a bit more faith in tarantino.

― deeznuts, Friday, 6 April 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

never thought i'd say this but the rodriguez half was SO MUCH BETTER than quentins...death proof was really unnecesarily talky and Q has creepily gotten hung up on chick on chick swearing and talking about dudes (saw him mention this on conan as some deep insight that girls talk about what happens on/after dates and dudes don't...ZOMG WAHT AN INSIGHTS.)

i did totally want to drive fast and like demolition derby when leaving the theater however, so theres that.

― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 April 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

The whole thing was a lot of fun. But I agree Rodriguez's section was much better, or enjoyable anyways. You get in this mood, and then Tarantino's section comes on, and it's just talk talk talk talk talk. It was still pretty good, but the trailers, and Rodriguez's movie were the best.

I want to see it again :)

Eli Roth's Thanksgiving should have been the second movie.

― mercurialblonde, Friday, 6 April 2007 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

or even "Machete"

― kenan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

There this great quote in Ebert's review of Pulp Fiction where he describes Tarantino dialogue as "load bearing." I like that. You're always learning something about the characters when they talk in Pulp Fiction. In Death Proof, not so much. Characters are established, then established more and exhaustively through another 10 unnecessary minutes, then horrifically killed. (That car crash was, like, whoa.) Then we get another group of girls being established IN THE SAME WAY. It wears on you. Yeah yeah I get that he's trying to get us to be sympathetic to these girls, but I only needed to be sympathetic enough to get involved in the revenge plot. I don't want to hang out with them, fer chrissakes.

Terror Planet was fucking awesome all the way through. And the car chase in Death Proof... mwah, Tarantino, I kiss you. But it's a such long way to get there.

― kenan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

ahhhhhhh, i wanna see this! stupid island. i don't wanna see firehouse dog!

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

ao scott's review in the new york times:

The essence of “Grindhouse,” Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino’s exuberant, uneven tribute to the spirit of trash cinema, is distilled in a scene from “Death Proof,” Mr. Tarantino’s feature-length contribution to the project. Two vintage American muscle cars, already scuffed and dented from chasing each other along back roads and two-lane blacktops, descend, engines whining and tires squealing, onto a highway full of late-model minivans, S.U.V.’s and family sedans, all of them driving safely within the lines and the speed limit.

It’s a great car chase, but it’s also a metaphor. “Grindhouse,” soaked in bloody nostalgia for the cheesy, disreputable pleasures of an older form of movie entertainment, can also be seen as a passionate protest against the present state of the entertainment industry. Those Detroit relics, modified with loving care in someone’s garage or backyard, may waste gas and burn oil, but they seem to have an individuality — a soul — that the homogeneous new vehicles, with their G.P.S. and their cruise control, their computer chips and their air bags, can never hope to match.

And “Grindhouse” argues, with more enthusiasm than coherence, for the integrity of a certain kind of old movie. Not the stuff that finds its way into the Classics section of the video store, but the kind that the guys behind the counter are always talking about: cheap, nasty slasher films, sleazy sexploitation pictures, gimcrack sci-fi epics starring people you never heard of. Just about anything, in short, with the right combination of topless women, gory, pointless violence and inspired amateurism. Also car chases.

Really, though, what Mr. Rodriguez and Mr. Tarantino try to evoke is less a particular style or genre of moviemaking than a lost ambience of moviegoing. “Grindhouse” consists of a double feature (“Death Proof” preceded by Mr. Rodriguez’s “Planet Terror”) accompanied by trailers for nonexistent coming attractions (with titles like “Machete” and “Werewolf Women of the SS”) and beset by technical difficulties. Each of the features is missing a reel — the management apologizes for the inconvenience — and of course it’s the reel with the sex in it, which the projectionist probably stole for his own amusement. The prints are full of scratches, bad splices and busted sprocket holes, and the images are not always in focus.

It’s all a pretty good joke, especially since most of these glitches, artifacts of an earlier technological era, have been produced digitally. (Unfortunately the software application has not yet been developed that can simulate clouds of stale cigarette smoke in the projector beam, broken seats and sticky, smelly floors at your local multiplex.) The filmmakers are at once bad boys and grumpy old men, effortlessly adept at manipulating new-fangled gadgets even as they sigh over the way things were in the good old days.

Their approach is both broadly populist and fussily esoteric. It doesn’t take a cinephile to appreciate, say, the sight of Rose McGowan in skimpy go-go dancer get-up, or to be repulsed by the spectacle of zombies with melting, pustulant faces feasting on human flesh. But the obsessive crosshatching of allusion, spoof and homage that gives “Grindhouse” its texture is the product of a highly refined generational sensibility.

Young people who see this movie — in the spirit of the thing, they should ideally sneak in during school hours — might do well to seek out a 45-year-old underemployed bachelor with a large DVD and comic book collection who can help them parse the basics (“What’s a reel, Uncle Quentin?”) and the more advanced material as well.

That Mr. Rodriguez and Mr. Tarantino are motivated by a sincere love of the movies they send up can hardly be doubted, but the affection is expressed in different ways. Mr. Rodriguez revels in badness for its own sake. “Planet Terror” is intoxicated by its own absurdity; it tries to raise incompetence to the level of craft, if not art. The random close-ups, the lurching cuts, the off-kilter framing — all of this is obviously intentional. So is the hodgepodge story, which is like a stew made of the contents of every can in the cupboard.

Ms. McGowan plays Cherry Darling, a hard-luck go-go dancer. She reunites with an old boyfriend (Freddy Rodriguez), who turns out to be a notorious gunslinger. They team up with a bunch of other townspeople — we’re somewhere in Texas — to fight off rampaging zombies (including Bruce Willis and Mr. Tarantino, who also has a small role in “Death Proof”). The zombies have been infected by a virus, and the only hope for a cure is. ...

But that’s enough of that. Sensation trumps sense in “Planet Terror,” especially once Ms. McGowan, who has lost a leg in a car accident, has been outfitted with a machine-gun prosthesis. It’s certainly eye-catching, but “Planet Terror” is a joke that goes on for too long without much purpose beyond its own frantic inventiveness.

Its sloppiness is a trait it shares not only with obscure horror movies (many of which were much more rigorously executed), but also with some of Mr. Rodriguez’s other films. His energy, in movies like “Once Upon a Time in Mexico” and the later “Spy Kids” installments, has often outstripped his taste. Not only does he like bad movies, he has a habit of making them too.

Mr. Tarantino is another story — a connoisseur, a scholar and a bit of a highbrow. Not a snob though. Quite the opposite: He combs through trash in search of art and has done a lot to teach American audiences (and critics) to appreciate the formal seriousness and aesthetic sophistication of, for example, Asian action movies. “Death Proof” is in part a sincere tribute to the work of Monte Hellman, whose films have ascended from the fetor of their low-rent origins into the purer air of art houses and museum retrospectives, which is where they belong. Mr. Hellman was always a serious filmmaker, and Mr. Tarantino is too.

At a certain point in “Death Proof” the scratches and bad splices disappear, and you find yourself watching not an arch, clever pastiche of old movies and movie theaters but an actual movie. You are not laughing at deliberately clumsy camera work but rather admiring the grace and artistry of the shots — in particular a long take in which the camera circles around a group of women talking in a diner. At his best — in parts of “Pulp Fiction,” in “Jackie Brown,” in sections of “Kill Bill, Vol. 2” — Mr. Tarantino strips away the quotation marks and finds a route through his formal virtuosity and his encyclopedic knowledge of film history back to the basics of character, action and story.

“Death Proof” is a decidedly modest picture, fittingly enough given its second billing in this double feature. But its scaled-down ambition is part of its appeal. It consists of long stretches of talk — the rambling, profane banter that is Mr. Tarantino’s hallmark as a writer — interrupted by kinetic bouts of automotive mayhem.

The verbal and visceral elements have no organic connection, and the plot is booby-trapped with surprises. I’m hesitant to risk giving away too much, but I will say that Kurt Russell is awfully good, and that I could listen to Sydney Tamiia Poitier and Tracie Thoms, two of the movie’s motor-mouthed heroines, talk through the whole three hours of “Grindhouse,” read the phone book or recite “The Faerie Queene” on tape in my Volvo in the middle of a traffic jam.

I’m not sure I’d sit through “Planet Terror” again to get to them in “Death Proof” though. Of course, in the old days, true grindhouse devotees would wander in and out of the theater all day long. I guess DVD’s serve a similar function in our own time. In any case be sure not to miss the trailer for “Thanksgiving” — not for the squeamish or the humor impaired, and not that you’d necessarily want to see the movie, if it existed. Also, when viewing “Grindhouse” at home skip the commentary track and bring in a few drunks off the street to mutter and snore. It’ll be just like the old days.

“Grindhouse” is rated R (Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian). Tell your mother you were over at your friend’s house doing homework, and be sure to tell your friends at school about the severed limbs, the exploding heads and the naked you-know-whats.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

IL-Criticism of Tarantino's half just makes me anticipate it more.

― milo z, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

Plans in place on my end for Easter Sunday viewing with a friend who regards such holidays fairly dimly. Perfect.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

Not only does [Rodriguez] like bad movies, he has a habit of making them too.

OH SNAP

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

AO Scott, you sack of balls. This was great, & the scoffing of a handful of folks leaving after Planet Terror was even better. OTM about QT taking his sweet ass time (and I do mean sweet ass) to get to the good stuff, but everything else (esp. Thanksgiving!!!) was very nice.

― David R., Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

Have you guys seen Hobo with a Shotgun yet? The first 30-40 seconds are good.

― 31g, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

the scoffing of a handful of folks leaving after Planet Terror was even better

what was being scoffed at?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

Death Proof is way better than Planet Terror, but I thought the whole thing was great fun. Thanksgiving was the best preview (although the idea that Zombie created a whole thirty minute movie of Werewolf Women of the SS makes me kind of giggle.)

― Alex in SF, Saturday, 7 April 2007 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

I thought both were good dumb fun. The girl I went with loved Planet Terror, hated Death Proof.

― Jordan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

i loved the way death proof ended. the audience went fucking bananas.

― cutty, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the payoffs in Death Proof were worth it. The ending was fantastic.

Going in I didn't realize both movies were going to take place in the same world. Has anyone written yet about how the two movies link up?

Rosario Dawson is probably a lot of fun to hang out with. She does all of these type of movies.

― mercurialblonde, Saturday, 7 April 2007 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

"death proof" was dope, but the diner chat scene could have used something other than a single shot, the audience i saw it with was getting pissed after awhile (though i liked how kurt russell was in the background sitting at the counter the entire time). dude can still write great dialogue, every other scene was absolutely fine (the talky scenes near the beginning with the other girls were good and set everything up nicely). the car crash halfway through was the high point of the whole 190 minutes. the music, the editing, everything leading up to it.

"planet terror" was a blast but definitely not as memorable. it was just a really fun in-joke, but it's still the best thing rodriguez has ever done, his "four rooms" segment aside. i don't think i need to see it again, unlike "death proof" (rodriguez isn't much of a director, tarantino has become an even better one).

oh and the best trailer was "don't", and kurt russell owns everyone else who shows up in either film (possible exception: the girl who played butterfly).

― rps, Saturday, 7 April 2007 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

best bit in "planet terror": the missing reel

― rps, Saturday, 7 April 2007 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! The missing real in Planet Terror was great. You have the mysterious character that everyone is suspicious of in the first part of the movie. They cut out explaining who he is. And then just work on what you didn't see him reveal to the others for the rest of the film.

What was going on with the text messages between the two films?

― mercurialblonde, Saturday, 7 April 2007 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

all the women in this film are so beautiful--

rose looked the best she'd ever looked (in both films), the blonde doctor was amazing, butterfly, yes, the babysitter twins, ROSARIO, fucking hell

― cutty, Saturday, 7 April 2007 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Talk about a fun day at the movies. From start to finish, it was just enjoyable. Nic Cage, Fergie getting dismantled (btw - she has very, very mannish hands), Michael Parks, ridiculous car chases and crashes, Rose and Rosario, Kurt Russell showing again that he's a badass...and Thanksgiving!!!

If I get a chance to see it in the theater again, great, but I will be purchasing the dvd asap.

― B.L.A.M., Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Tomorrow is gonna be good. (I already had a couple of friends tell me they were jealous because they couldn't get out family obligations.) But I need to stop dipping into this thread before I see it, so more from me after that!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

"planet terror" was a blast but definitely not as memorable. it was just a really fun in-joke, but it's still the best thing rodriguez has ever done, his "four rooms" segment aside.

Rumor has it that Tarantino ended up directing a good portion of it, so that's probably why.

― Nicole, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

I reallyreallyreallyreally want to see Machete

Planet Terror was OK - sort of a hybrid of EC Comics and the Area 51 video game. Marley Shelton pretty much runs away with it.

Fave parts of Death Proof: Zoe Bell as the cheerful Kiwi Tura Satana and whenever Kurt Russell/Evil Jack Burton is on-screen. Like everyone has been saying upthread DP takes a while to get to the good part, but when it does...

― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

link nicole? cuz that makes me dislike rodriguez that much more.

― deeznuts, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Also, it's absolutely critical to see this in a theater with an audience. I wouldn't have enjoyed it nearly as much without the couple hundred drunk/high/crazy film nerds inside Grauman's Chinese Theater hollering and screaming.

― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/04/03/rose-mcgowan-airport/

I've read a couple of rumors that Tarantino had to take over while Rodriguez sorted his personal problems out.

― Nicole, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

i'm asking myself if Tarantino will ever again make movies like "reservoir" and "pulp" again,or does his fetish with trashy B movies will continue forever.
i mean,it's fun and techniqly great and all,but the 1st and 2nd movie where fun and complex and more intelegent.
he once abandoned a project - a war film that he already wrote script to,so,he might give up on being relatively "serious" again.hope not.

― Zeno, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

QT was talking about doing a ROHMER-type film long b4 Chris Rock, hahaha.

I didn't know Tom Scharpling was a crotchety old fart!

On a good day.

Second weekend falloff should be what, close to 60%?

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I heard also that Rodriguez grinded production to a hault because he couldn't keep it in his pants. He broke off his 16 year marriage to get with Rose McGowan. And I also read on the grindhouse board that the Electra twins, who I guess are related somehow to Rodriguez's now ex-wife, got into it with Rose McGowan at some awards show.

I like Rodriguez a lot, but that's soooo hollywood. 16 years? Jeez.

― mercurialblonde, Saturday, 7 April 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

hahahah x-post

Rosario Dawson is probably a lot of fun to hang out with. She does all of these type of movies.

apparently Rodriguez agrees!

― latebloomer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

i'm asking myself if Tarantino will ever again make movies like "reservoir" and "pulp" again,or does his fetish with trashy B movies will continue forever.

Like those had nothing to do with trashy B movies!

― Jordan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Death Proof seems very much like both those films to me (Jackie Brown is, if anything, the odd film of Tarantino's oeuvre.)

― Alex in SF, Saturday, 7 April 2007 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

srsly xpost

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 April 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

he once abandoned a project - a war film that he already wrote script to,so,he might give up on being relatively "serious" again.hope not.

But even that would be a mash-up of Sam Fuller WWII references (not that I have a problem with that)

― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 7 April 2007 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Jackie Brown is, if anything, the odd film of Tarantino's oeuvre.

(and maybe the best)

― kenan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

What was going on with the text messages between the two films?

I like how they keep these contemporary -- retro in style, but not pretending to take place in the past.

Also, I liked how one important storyline in Death Proof is dropped completely and that the characters were vivid enough that it actually felt unresolved.

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

You mean the girl left at the mechanic's place?

It did jar me when people whipped out the cell phones, because almost everything else (except the pop culture references in Death Proof) was 70s.

― Jordan, Sunday, 8 April 2007 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

The worst part was the trailer no one talks about (i.e. the one that was apparently not good enough to lump with the other three at the intermission point). Rob Zombie's trailer was the most authentic bit of the entire enterprise, excepting the Acuña ad for the Tex Mex joint next door to the hypothetical drive-in (the one that apparently serves pizza).

I think I liked the three trailers as a conceptual whole more than either of the two features, but I was sort of up and down on the whole thing the entire time. Still, the sheer accumulation of wonderfully observed details got me through the entire three hours despite a splitting headache ... so lowercase pro, et al.

― Eric H., Sunday, 8 April 2007 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Jordan, the girl -- that you think they'll go back for her but they don't.

the sheer accumulation of wonderfully observed details got me through the entire three hours despite a splitting headache

This was exactly my experience as well -- I wasn't really caught up in either movie, but the unpredictibility and the detail kept me engaged.

Makes a good compare/contrast with Zodiac, as far as the latter being a retro genre picture that both satisfies as defies expectations (and clocks in at over 2 1/2 hours).

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

the more i think about it the more i think...

SPOILER

...that the section starting with stuntman mike getting rose mcgowan into his car and ending with the car crash is the best thing tarantino's done to date.

― rps, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

well that didn't spoil anything actually.

― rps, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, all of Jackie Brown is still better.

― Eric H., Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

The car crash is really really really really well put together.

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

I see this tomorrow and I CANNOT WAIT.

― gunther heartymeal, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

jackie brown is good but no

― rps, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

"i'm asking myself if Tarantino will ever again make movies like "reservoir" and "pulp" again,or does his fetish with trashy B movies will continue forever.

Like those had nothing to do with trashy B movies!"

they did,but there was more depth than being only homage and nothing behind it.

i think the rodriguez part was great but too long, and tarantino's part was too long and not great at all.the trailers were teriffic.
overall,it's fun,but you forget all about it as soon as you leave the theatre.

― Zeno, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

plus,i also assume,in terms of audience success around the world - that this will not be "kill bill" like blockbuster

― Zeno, Sunday, 8 April 2007 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

Kreskin speaks!

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

it's not so hard to tell

― Zeno, Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

i wouldn't be surprised if it's NOT huge, i hear it's tracking pretty badly and had some relatively weak per theater numbers.

― rps, Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

plus,i also assume,in terms of audience success around the world - that this will not be "kill bill" like blockbuster

The two films are being released separately overseas.

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

One of my favorite bits: the Creepshow music in the Thanksgiving preview.

― Eric H., Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

THIS WAS BAD ASSSS.

ANYONE WHO THINKS PLANET TERROR WAS BETTER THAN DEATH PROOF KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT EXPLOITATION.

ALSO THE DIE HARD 4 TRAILER = HOLY SHIT.

― jessie monster, Sunday, 8 April 2007 05:57 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the DIE HARD 4 trailer was fake actually hah!

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

There was [i]Grindhouse[i]-apprpriate projection troubles at Webster Place, so the theater lights were very dim for a few minutes, no music or anything, and then a John Cusack preview that said the same number over and over again (exhausting after 90 seconds, like [i]The Number 23[i] preview), then the movie.

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD STAY IN. . . ROOM 1408! BUT NOW YOU KNOW THAT NO COMES OUT ALIVE AFTER GOING INTO. . . ROOM 1408! 56 PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN. . . ROOM 1408! YOU WILL BE 57 IF YOU GO INTO. . . ROOM 1408!

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

ETC. . .

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, I didn't get a Die Hardest trailer. I did get a Rob Zombie remake of Halloween, which just looks WHOA. And a Seth Rogan comedy.

Planet Terror - ok, funny at times, but I wouldn't go see it again.
Death Proof - AWESOME cannot wait for DVD

I demand a full-length Werewolf Women of the SS.

― milo z, Sunday, 8 April 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.onesheetindex.com/pix/3847_1.jpg

― get bent, Sunday, 8 April 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I like how there's no consensus on this! PT: worked pretty well throughout for me, I actually liked the 'epilogue' as a shift into 80s post-apocalypse endings more than 70s. DP: up and down but when on, on, but Jesus H. no more diners please. Missing reels ruled, fake trailers great, Rob Zombie's almost felt too slick somehow! But a full film would be nice on the DVD, and Nicholas Cage, of course. I will not have a word spoken against Machete (all hail Cheech Marin) and whoever did the voiceover in Thanksgiving is my new hero. Loved all the beheadings. (Also, did anyone catch Michael Biehn played the sherriff in that as well?)

For a really really REALLY bizarre half-second I thought they had Kurt Russell standing in for Zoe Bell on one closeup on the car hood. Very strange. I also like how, in very appropriate fashion, that was so not Tennessee.

Tarantino is REALLY starting to look awful and act worse, I gotta say. And somehow I had totally blanked on Bruce Willis's involvement so that was actually a fun surprise. That first confrontation between him and Naveen Andrews = nice. Also, Tom Savini. Etc. etc.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, I didn't get a Die Hardest trailer. I did get a Rob Zombie remake of Halloween, which just looks WHOA.

Yeah, that and in terms of mass entertainment folderol Pirates my two favorite real trailers (shall we say). We got the Anthony Hopkins Fracture thing (TERRIBLE), Superbad (totally fine with the Van Halen), and of course Nicolas Fucking Cage again with Next).

DO YOU REALIZE...that now makes four goddamn films of Nicholas Cage getting to grips with Vegas somehow? At least? Get one other city.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

And I'm glad I took my bathroom break when I did at the start of DP, as apparently I missed nothing but a visual joke of Sidney Poitier listed as one of 'the girls' or something in the credits. (So tip to all, take it then, as you will need it.)

The skewing of faded film grime/scratches with modern 'style' as such was interesting if not hyper-intriguing or anything -- paraphrasing a line, they spent a lot of money to make it look that cheap.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Sydney Poitier (Sidney Poitier's daughter) is JUNGLE JULIA!

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0688624/

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

That "Tammy" was the girl from the Black Eye Peas did not dawn on me until just earlier today though!

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Don't was the only bad trailer. I'd totally go see Machete - it was basically a grimier Desperado/Once Upon A Time and how could you go wrong with that?

― milo z, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Don't definitely got old after a while, but I still thought it was really funny. I liked that EVERY DON'T had a different set of actors and the whole Suspiria homage was nice! Machete looked awesome and was pretty well done, but really Thanksgiving was the gem. The whole tone of it was just perfect.

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Sydney Poitier (Sidney Poitier's daughter) is JUNGLE JULIA!

Ha! Clarity. When my friend said the name and didn't mention the spelling I just thought "Well that's surreal."

Yeah, Don't was all right, just long enough (DEFINITELY don't need a full film of it). I really don't know Eli Roth's stuff at all but if he just wants to make Thanksgiving-style movies the rest of his days he's all right by me.

(I just remembered Tarantino's 'thank you' list in the credits -- compare and contrast that with Panda Bear's liner notes in terms 'GOTTA THANK EVERYONE')

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and thinking about 1408, is Cusack insane?

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'd totally go see Machete - it was basically a grimier Desperado/Once Upon A Time and how could you go wrong with that?

My one grindhouse blind spot, it seems.

― Eric H., Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and thinking about 1408, is Cusack insane?

Piven has got to work in a wisecrack about it in this season's Entourage.

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

You know I gotta say this -- if Tarantino and Rodriguez had totally invented the term 'grindhouse' one drunken evening and tried to pretend it's been used for years, I wouldn't've been surprised in the slightest.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

$11.6M which is pretty low, I guess.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

'thanksgiving' was a gem & makes me reconsider roth (ive never seen any of his flicks). '...it's blood.' = single funniest line in entire movie.

single best perf = russell

i also had no idea wtf the sidney/sydney poitier thing was about till i read what alex in sf posted!

― deeznuts, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

'...it's blood.' = single funniest line in entire movie.

single best perf = russell

Yes to both. (Also how obvious is it now that Tarantino would have loved to have been Russell in general?)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

Eli Roth: Cabin Fever is good, Hostel is unwatchable.

Kurt Russell is ultimate all-time hero man.

1408 would have been less lame if they didn't show the entire movie in the trailer.

I really want to see Superbad just because Michael Cera's in it.

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

oh and what about Butterfly's horrible, horrible freakish nosejob in the first half of Death Proof? It distracted me the whole time. :(

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't notice that, but McGowan's new(ish) pointy nose was rather prominent in a couple of the PT scenes.

must-buy: http://www.amazon.com/Death-Proof-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B000N3ST7K/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-7105742-9389415?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176079901&sr=8-3

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

Cabin Fever has at least one of the most effective shudder-inducing scenes ever.

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

haha i have no idea what yr talking about jessie, maybe thats a girl thing or something.

as for the unresolved plot string in death proof i sat (& made date sit) thru ENTIRE CREDITS just cuz i thought there'd be some one-note joke at the end about it, or at least something, for fuck's sake. (note i am not typically a sit-thru-credits dude by any stretch.) anyone else do this?

xp milo is that the shaving scene? i just saw a bit about it on 'one hundred scariest movie scenes ever' or some bs on vh1 once, it looked like the kind of scene in which i wouldnt have been able to resist "JESUS GOD NO JUST DONT JUST DONT OMG DONT OH WHY WHY DID YOU DO THAT" at the screen (i have a tendency to do shit like this) but i dont know if that counts as 'shudder-inducing'.

― deeznuts, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

this was a lot of fun

― latebloomer, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

Shaving scene is another, but not the one I'm thinking of. If you haven't seen the movie, I hesitate to ruin it for you. It's worth a rental.

In Death Proof, not so much. Characters are established, then established more and exhaustively through another 10 unnecessary minutes, then horrifically killed. (That car crash was, like, whoa.) Then we get another group of girls being established IN THE SAME WAY. It wears on you.

Maybe I'm weird, but these were my favorite parts of the whole enterprise. The black stuntwoman got a bit cliche after a while, but I thought the first group of girls was incredibly well done and I loved the next group talking in the car.

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

loved, loved the "Thanksgiving" trailer

― latebloomer, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Death Proof reminded me somewhat of Girl In Gold Boots.

in a good way.

― latebloomer, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid was looking kind of hefty. He must have hit a couple of good buffets on his Lost hiatus.

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

If you haven't seen the movie, I hesitate to ruin it for you.

Yes please, NO SPOILERS on Roth's stuff. I'll catch it when I do.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

daaaamn how did i fail to notice t-rex in the dp soundtrack???

yeah ned im w/ you i think im gonna at least give cabin fever a try now.

― deeznuts, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

as for the unresolved plot string in death proof

Really, though, what more could be done? Yeah, unresolved, yeah, what will guy say when the car comes back trashed, and yeah, who cares? Ended when it did.

My friend Tom had the best comment on DP's appeal, actually -- "It's like Bullitt -- you end up not remembering anything except the car chase at the end."

And how the hell did you miss T. Rex FFS deeznuts?! Damn thing blared out of the jukebox and I'm all "Okay, this place rules."

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Death Proof reminded me somewhat of Girl In Gold Boots.

Lessh schwinging on that placesh on Shunshet.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

i dont know! i think it may actually because of overfamiliarity w/ the song as weird as that sounds.

its not about the car at all, its about the horny redneck + stupid cheerleader dynamic.

― deeznuts, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

True, but the state of the car's the other unresolved plot point, kinda. (I refuse however to overthink this.)

"Jeepster" on soundtrack -- when Sydney P. steps outside to talk on her cell because the music's too loud, etc.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

I WANT TO SEE THIS MOVIE.

― ian, Monday, 9 April 2007 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

From the clips I've seen of Eli Roth's movies, I think I'll watch the first half of Hostel. They're certainly well thought out and suspenseful.

― Eazy, Monday, 9 April 2007 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

Very strange. I also like how, in very appropriate fashion, that was so not Tennessee.

Most of that was CA-126 up in Ventura County. Also the same area where Duel{/i] was filmed.

I loved the non-obvious road movie references in DP to Telefon, Convoy, and Duel, not to mention the whole graphic design in the background billboards, products, and cars. Supposedly, the Challenger and Charger were built out of scrap pieces, but the details were dead accurate to the Vanishing Point and [i]Seven-Ups cars.

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 9 April 2007 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

Stupid bbcode. Bah

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 9 April 2007 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

Grossed about half waht the forecasts said. BOMB BOMB BOMB

America doesn't want to relive yesterday's shit... they have new shit to watch.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, Ice Cube's Are We Done Yet grossed more. Not surprising but still makes me laugh.

I loved GH, though. Can they please really make Don't? Probably not with these B.O. numbers.

― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

i guess morbius didn't like grindhouse

― rps, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Guess I will never see it instead.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

That'll show 'em!

― C. Grisso/McCain, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

well, i try to vote WITH THE PEOPLE.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Populist.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I loved the Kill Bill sheriff + son cameo.

― Jordan, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Big Kahuna Burger mention too. (No V. Vega namedrop?)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Nacho Fu

― sexyDancer, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

There was the mention of the foot massage as well. My husband says there were loads of other QT movie references but we've yet to talk about what they actually were. I enjoyed both but thought Death Proof was stronger overall. As far as the trailers go I LOVED the one for Thanksgiving. The very end of it actually made me scream aloud which rarely happens. I saw this on Saturday and woke up screaming twice that night. Fantastic!

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

The shot of Marley Shelton in the hospital where she's readying her needles, there's a notebook with KILL BILL written on it.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

There was a fake Red Apple cigarettes billboard put up over a major road for this filming. I think he mentions those in most of his films.

― Ms Misery, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

just from what my co-workers have been saying about this, my guess is that america doesn't really "get" this. my cube-mate had to ask me why it was supposed to be good because she didn't get it.

― homosexual II, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think she got it.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

zing!

but my older sister is crazy into B movies and stuff and she loved this. if only one of the films had starred eric roberts, it may have been perfect.

― homosexual II, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

It might be worth mentioning the fact that scheduling the opening weekend for EASTER might explain the box office numbers somewhat.

― John Justen, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

I loved the Kill Bill sheriff + son cameo.

Oooh Michael Parks!!! I love him. I will probably see this, but stayed away from it on opening weekend and I really kinda can't stand Rodriguez so maybe I'll only show up for the second half.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Nacho Fu

You know, now that you mention it Joe Bob Briggs was a missing element. (As I would see it.) Both movies did fulfill the 'anyone can die at any time' rule.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

It might be worth mentioning the fact that scheduling the opening weekend for EASTER might explain the box office numbers somewhat.

That crossed my mind, too, but the #1 movie this weekend was Blades of Glory, so it's not like the religious holiday was bringing people out for family-oriented fare in droves.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

190 min long + seemingly invisible ad campaign. it makes sense.

― rps, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but it's easier to sell the family on wacky off-color comedy than self-proclaimed marathon gorefest.

xpost

― John Justen, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the theater crowd was major disappointment for me, i rushed to see it for exactly that purpose & it wasnt more than half full

― deeznuts, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

just from what my co-workers have been saying about this, my guess is that america doesn't really "get" this.

I think it has limited appeal, for sure, since it's so full of b-movie in-jokes. I saw it at 3 in the afternoon with a packed house that was silent, didn't laugh at the trailers, didn't cheer at the ending, just sat in befuddled silence. Well, that's what I get for seeing it at 3 in the afternoon. I should see it again at midnight after a few bong hits.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

less severed testicles in Will Farrell, true

― sexyDancer, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

I was surprised at all the empty seats too, but people were way into it (cheering, etc.).

― Jordan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

shirtless Will Farrell is just as gross and funny

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

I saw this on Saturday and woke up screaming twice that night.

lol About what?

"Lisa, if you don't watch, you'll never get desensitized!"

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

The almost subliminal last second of the Thanksgiving trailer was hysterical, but only about half of the audience seemed to notice it.

― John Justen, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have no idea what the nightmares were about but don't think they were directly related. After the movie I felt like I'd been through a trauma so the dreams were probably just a reflection of my general mindset. I don't know.

JJ - that was the best part!!!

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

The “Don’t” joke was all about timing, I think... It goes on way way too long, and then at the end, they show you the credits card for just a half a second, just long enough to confirm that the title of the movie is “Don’t”. Big laugh.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

explain cuz im not sure i did either xpost

― deeznuts, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

In the top right hand corner of the screen the murderer was, um, violating a decapitated head.

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

lol morbs. you're so miserable.

― chaki, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

HILARIOUS

― n/a, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

to clarify, violating a turkey body with the decapitated head sewn on to it.

― John Justen, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

SPOILER ALERT: MOVIE CONTAINS TURKEY FUCKING.

― John Justen, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Woah, really?! I missed the turky body bit - just saw the head. Still either way - it was ridiculous!

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

The whole trailer was sublimely ridiculous.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

dark meat
white meat
all will be carved

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'd still rather see "Machete" though.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

My friend just emailed my and said she got shivers yesterday when she saw a trampoline in someones yard. That part was so horrible!

x-post

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, full length "Machete" could be amazing. Everyone cheered when they saw CM for the first time.

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yibXKDUkytg

starts ~2:10 in.

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

According to imdb, "Machete" is being made.

― John Justen, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Is the uncut Thanksgiving trailer online anywhere? They had to edit out part of the cheerleader scene or something.

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I think Eli Roth has it on his laptop. I'll give him a buzz if he's online.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

its a pretty tiny edit if its edited, i cant believe thats still up on yt actually.

― deeznuts, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

re:the line "It's blood."

Is that Caruso?

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Thanksgiving trailer online, btw

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Nope - it's a crew member. He's featured prominently in the behind-the-scenes doc included on the Hostel DVD.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like Caruso. I choose to believe that it is.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Other great line from this trailer, before she's about to blow him: "Happy Thanksgiving, baby!"

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

:|
B|

"It's blood."

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Some enterprising lowlife shd go through non-CSI shows / movies & make a movie of scenes like that w/ the YEAAAAAAAAAH stuck in between each one.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

SO eBaum's World can steal it.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

The concept of this project wd be OK if it cost $2 million.

WAITIN' FOR THAT ROHMER HOMAGE, Quentin.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

oh btw: ten people got up and left after the end of Planet Terror at the showing I was in. LOLOLOLOL.

everyone enjoyed it at my showing, as well (well I guess other than the people who left)--lots of laughing and shouting (someone "WOOOO"ed the Die Hard 4 trailer). I guess that's just the benefit of a 4PM showing in a college town tho.

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

The noon Easter crowd (15-20 people) was way into both movies. Guess they've got the heathen market captured.

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Our theater was full on Friday night but I didn't think there were nearly enough laughs. Especially in the Rodriguez one when he was pulling the stupidest b-movie shit possible!

My favorite parts were definitely Thanksgiving and Machete trailers, though.

― mh, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ha - Jessie, I was about to ask if we were IN THE SAME THEATRE, but 4PM @ college town != 6PM in a non-college town.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so I wasn't the only one thinking it was Caruso.

The almost subliminal last second of the Thanksgiving trailer was hysterical

Thank you for confirming I really saw that.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

According to imdb, "Machete" is being made.

I am so happy.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Also: both times I saw this (on Friday flying solo, on Saturday w/ peeps, tho I came in late because my desire to see THANKSGIVING again took a while to kick in), the audience burst into applause @ the end of Death Proof.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

the grindhouse trailers are funny. they are all on youtube in one form or another. watch a real one and its hard to tell the difference!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fsTFsGEkA

― scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Vanishing Point trailer

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Death Proof was way better than Planet Terror.

― homosexual II, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Underrated DP moment -- the Ghost World-style girls resolutely failing to be impressed by Stuntman Mike's career.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

ok now I have to see Vanishing point.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

the DP girls just really made me want to wear shorts

― homosexual II, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Me too, and I never wear shorts!!

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Give in.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I have a yearnin' for some BBQ & the Death Proof jukebox.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Stuntman Mike's nacho platter looked damn tasty

― milo z, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

haha in DP when Kurt Russell was all "you guys don't have any clue who any of those people are" I was in the audience all "I DO STUNTMAN MIKE!!! I KNOW WHO LEE MAJORS IS!!! LOVE MEEEE!!!!"

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

It's a real place, you know

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I can't wait for Tarantino's Arthouse with the Bulle Ogier refs you'll all be gettin'

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

actually i think stuntman mike's nachos was probably grosser than anything else in the film (including beheadings and dead turkey fucking).

― homosexual II, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

^^^^ true dat

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cactushill.com/TCP/images/waiver_l.gif

― Jordan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

I can't wait for Tarantino's Arthouse

I'm trying to think of an "arthouse" actor that Tarantino can revive, but I'm having a hell of a time finding one that isn't dead.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Erland Josephson

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

is him from strosczek dead?

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

I would be interested in a Tarantino/Harry Dean Stanton collab.

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

and finally: we all know the director who would be behind Arthouse would be Steven Soderbergh, and it would be unwatchable.

― jessie monster, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

My ideal Tarantino cast:

Sally Kirkland

― Eric H., Monday, 9 April 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Just her.

― Eric H., Monday, 9 April 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

pfft - ARTHOUSE would be by Guy Maddin & Hal Hartley.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

How quickly we forget.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0343663/

― Eric H., Monday, 9 April 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

blocked it out

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

actually i think stuntman mike's nachos was probably grosser than anything else in the film (including beheadings and dead turkey fucking).

Agreed, but I think it's because the noises he made while eating sounded just like those in the previous movie and the last thing I wanted to think about at that point was food! Blergh.

― ENBB, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

and finally: we all know the director who would be behind Arthouse would be Steven Soderbergh, and it would be unwatchable.

Ain't that the truth.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

is him from strosczek dead?

No, but I don't think he wants to be bothered. Tarantino (or anyone else really) would probably just make him cry. Or run from the set screaming "HOT WATER BURN BABY" or the like.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Udo Kier

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

really, Tarantino is more interested in idiolizing ppl with no talent worth celebrating, like David Carradine and Lawernce Tierney.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah why isn't he more of a Spielberg fanboy! He should put Roy Scheider and Henry Thomas in everything!

― Alex in SF, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

only the best actors ever should be in movies.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Guess the critic!

The first victimized group includes a black radio DJ named Jungle Julia—a racist taunt purposely doubled by casting Sydney Tamiia Poitier (daughter of the legendary Civil Rights-era actor) in a role best described as Samuel L. Jackson with tits.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Harry Knowles!

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

ARMOND!

― Alex in SF, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

elvis mitchell? armond white?

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

er, xpost

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

come, now

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Texas Chili Parlor is real and so is the Kirby Lane Cafe on South Lamar, where the long-take conversation in the diner took place. In fact, most of the Death Proof segment is pretty much like wandering around downtown Austin, up until they leave the city.

― Oilyrags, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Did Armond White also think that Sam Jackson's Jheri Kurl was a racist taunt?

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

He probably thinks SMJ's skin is a racist taunt.

― David R., Monday, 9 April 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

armond white's opinions are formed before he's seen the film, he just uses the film once (if?) he sees it to fill in the gaps of what is likely a pre-written piece.

― rps, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

He thinks SMJ's career is a racist taunt, and is OTM.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

did anyone else notice that the voiceover in the DON'T trailer was Will Arnett?!? dude's been on a roll lately

― bernard snowy, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Srlsy? That makes it so much better (and it was already pretty good).

― Jordan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

haha yes that trailer is totally with club sauce

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

Haha isn't Armond White a fan of 3000 Miles to Graceland? Dude continues to make little to no sense.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

That was a good shameless B movie.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

he makes perfect sense. he forms his opinions based on what other people are saying, as a means to keep himself at a distance from/above other viewers. he is unable to engage in intellectual, in-depth discussions, so he creates strawmen where none exist and opposition where none stands. even when he's right it's not for the right reasons.

― rps, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

3000 Miles to Graceland

someone actually likes this movie?!? so bad.

Tarantino isn't interested in arthouse movies as far as I can tell. I don't think he watches anything that doesn't involve evisceration or rape or violent crime in some way.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

he's a huge wong kar-wai fan and definitely enjoys loads of old-school foreign cinema but obviously there's not as much of a fanboy fanbase in those source materials

― rps, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

xpost oh that is just stupid

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

no Shakey, Tarantino used to rhapsodize frequently in interviews about Rohmer, that's no joke.

He's also big on Roy Rogers, who didn't have much onscreen evisceration.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

haha I thought yer Rohmer ref was a joke! huh. I'm surprised.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

apparently there's not much of a fanboy fanbase in '70s sleaze, either

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i was gonna say wong kar-wai, and a huge fan of howard hawks and godard and altman and on and on.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

he's an honest-to-betsy movie lover, and it's fun to listen to him talk about movies (instead of about himself).

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see the godard or altman connection. Hawks, yeah okay (is he considered "arthouse"?! news to me). Wong Kar-Wai bores the shit outta me but I do remember Tarantino big upp-ing his Rolling Thunder release of Happy Together.

kenan you gotta see Vanishing Point (and Two Lane Blacktop too, although I prefer the former to the latter by a wide margin)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

is he considered "arthouse"?! news to me

no of course not, but he is someone who made a far-above-average number of excellent movies across any genre you could throw at him. Hawks is probably the person Tarantino would most like to be, if I had to guess.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see the godard or altman connection.

Dialogue.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

(xxpost)I don't. Two Lane Blacktop is great!

― Alex in SF, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

2LBlacktop >>>> Vanishing Point

QT in 1994 :

I remember—this is really weird—I created a following for Eric Rohmer in Manhattan Beach and the South Bay area. We had all of his films on video. So people would come up to me with Pauline at the Beach, or something—because they had those sexy boxes, you know—and ask, “How is this?” And I would feel I had to indoctrinate them on Eric Rohmer. “Well, he’s a director you have to get used to. The thing is, actually, I like his films.” “Well, are they comedy or are they drama?” “Well, they’re not dramas, they’re comedies but they’re not really very funny, all right? You watch them and they’re just lightly amusing, you know? You might smile once an hour, you know? But you have to see one of them, and if you kind of like that one, then you should see his other ones, but you need to see one to see if you like it.” The same with Bresson.... So I noticed that they’d rent Full Moon in Paris or Pauline at the Beach, and then they’d come back and get another one. And, pretty soon, all of our Rohmer movies were doing really, really well. But I could never rent them without giving that preamble. Because if they didn’t know what to expect, it’s conceivable that somebody just renting something for that Saturday afternoon would think, “What the hell is this?” and flip it off.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Go see Grindhouse before you end up having to pay twice. Weinstein bros are not happy with the box office.http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/what-went-so-wrong-with-grindhouse/

― oscar, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha

I think I'd rather pay once to just see QT's half.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

maybe Weinsteins are grmupy that the audience just laughed when their name came on screen.

― sexyDancer, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

I like Vanishing Point more, but Two Lane Blacktop has Warren Oats. Therefore a tie.

elvis mitchell?

Mitchell had both Tarantino and Rodriguez on his podcast and had lots of good things to say about GH

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

agreed that Oates is awesome

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

We'll be adding those 'two missing reels' that's talked about in the movie." (At one point in Grindhouse, a sex scene is interrupted because of "two missing reels" -- one of the many conceits and indulgences.)

WTF

― Jordan, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/grondhouse1.jpg

― Jordan, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

― homosexual II, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, I'm way too busy to go see this this week, but maybe I better make time.

― Rock Hardy, Monday, 9 April 2007 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think I better come up with a plan to see this in the next couple of days.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

WTF

Seconded. That's part of the gag.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

Mitchell had both Tarantino and Rodriguez on his podcast and had lots of good things to say about GH

ah ok. I was just trying to think of critics most likely to say comepletely batshit things.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

loved the scene just after Tarantino's missing reel

"I'm not going to fuck him"
"I can hear you"
"Seriously, he's old enough to be my dad!"
"I can still hear you"

McGowan was way better as angry hippie chick than action heroine.

― milo z, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

The first victimized group includes a black radio DJ named Jungle Julia—a racist taunt purposely doubled by casting Sydney Tamiia Poitier (daughter of the legendary Civil Rights-era actor) in a role best described as Samuel L. Jackson with tits.

It would be easier to read White if he'd get basic facts right.

Jungle Julia is the first black woman. The second is Kim (played by Tracie Thoms), she's the one doing a SLJ routine (but is still pretty damn funny). That's not a minor mistake, that's someone who didn't give a damn about actually watching the movie.

― milo z, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

Studio 60 getting the (likely) ax was the clear leader in my personal schadenfreude sweepstakes for 2007, but this movie severely underperforming has tightened things up considerably.

― gershy, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

QT's Sight & Sound "top 10"

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Leone)
Rio Bravo (Hawks)
Taxi Driver (Scorsese)
His Girl Friday (Hawks)
Rolling Thunder (Flynn)
They All Laughed (Bogdanovich)
The Great Escape (J. Sturges)
Carrie (De Palma)
Coffy (Hill)
Dazed and Confused (Linklater)
Five Fingers of Death (Chang)
Hi Diddle Diddle (Stone)

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

Is They All Laughed good?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

It's on my queue.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, they all laughed is a true wtf?
it's not bad, some charming performances but nothing real noteworthy about it except for the soon-to-be-killed playmate

― gershy, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad he chose Carrie instead of Blow Out for his De Palma slot.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

Never seen Rolling Thunder either and that seems not to be on DVD.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

It's a good list. It almost seems shockingly conventional actually.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that must be residue from the fact that his list was composed for *hushed* Sight & Sound.

Only a few participants cut loose, like the guy that put God Told Me To and Misty Beethoven next to Rules of the Game and Michael Snow.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

Haha Misty Beethoven! Gold Told Me To. . . KILL is great though. Larry Cohen was king for a time there.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad he chose Carrie instead of Blow Out for his De Palma slot.

Me too... I'm glad he changed his mind. He's namechecked Blow Out way more times than Carrie in interviews. HOWEVER there's nothing wrong with Blow Out, and those are easily my two favorite De Palma movies.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

I really like Blow Out as well, but Carrie is a neater choice in its surroundings ... less auteurist?

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, if I were doing this list, I'd likely go Dressed to Kill, which is a hyper-auteurist choice for BDP.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

less auteurist?

yes, i suppose, but better executed. the horror/revenge movie stuff is all there, but what makes it so great is his making Carrie a real character.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

is there any other movie that has more slo-mo, minute-for-minute?

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

300

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

heh

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it's how LONG the slo-mo goes on in Carrie that makes it seem so... egregious. The first four minutes of the movie are in slow motion. And it feels like ten minutes of continuous slow motion leading up to the bucket of blood.

― kenan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

What's wrong weith slo-mo, in and of itself, exactly? (Have you read about "24 Hour Psycho," or whatever it was called?)

Like there's an excuse for putting Coffy in even an "idiosyncratic" top 10...

J Rosenbaum on GH: "seems ideally suited for gleeful, mean-spirited 11-year-old boys."

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Really enjoyed the film. SPOILERS below my friends.

While Rodriguez's is the more accurate take on the genre Tarantino's is the better film by far. Planet Terror is like a carousel ride with cotton candy, the conventions of the genre are healthily respected and everyone involved hits their note perfectly, especially Brolin and Biehn. Also, his missing reel segment was fantastic ... my theory is the zombies use the kid to compromise the BBQ shack, which leads to the Sherrif's injury. Also like how Brolin never completely succumbs to the disease so they can have that final moment.

Death Proof is an exercise in anticipation, the viewer's knowledge that the killer is in the house was nearly unbearable. I have no complaints about the longish dialogue sequences, especially the moments where the audience knows the women can escape their fate (text messages, the boys they flirted with but rejected) but don't. The repetition on the money shot was pure delirious exploitation and the harrowing conclusion certainly pays off. Though I am of a mind that the timing of the two Death Proof sequences is actually reversed ... think of how much the tone of the movie changes if he actually showed it that way! Kind of twists the whole revenge fantasy genre inside out.

Of the trailers I actually enjoyed Don't the best, did a fantastic job recreating the American marketing perception of UK horror films. Thankgiving was completely over the top (a positive, not a negative). Machete was the most accurate of the three, from the "they hired the wrong man" plot to the greybeard who did the hiring. Didn't think much of Zombie's one.

― zaxxon25, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, come on - werewolf titties!

― David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

& Sheri Moon Zombie as Ute Lemper!

― David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Though I am of a mind that the timing of the two Death Proof sequences is actually reversed

Interresting. It is kinda weird that Kurt is willing to put himself through that car crash and get banged up, then turns all whiny when the next set of girls come back at him.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

The SS one didn't play it straight enough, felt out of sync with the rest of the movie. But my favorite parts of the whole show were probably the most deadpan ones: the Acuña Boys Restaurant, the long quiet landscape shot of the two cars that has no suspense or anything.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Leone)
Rio Bravo (Hawks)
Taxi Driver (Scorsese)
His Girl Friday (Hawks)
Rolling Thunder (Flynn)
They All Laughed (Bogdanovich)
The Great Escape (J. Sturges)
Carrie (De Palma)
Coffy (Hill)
Dazed and Confused (Linklater)
Five Fingers of Death (Chang)
Hi Diddle Diddle (Stone)

what about Kubrik's "The Killing" (reservoir dogs inspiration)?
and Godard' "Band apart" (pulp fiction inspiration and the name of tarantino's company)?

― Zeno, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

QT YA BURNT

― David R., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

btw I'll be seeing this at Film Forum tnite:

CRAZY HOUSE

(1943, EDWARD F. CLINE) Always-anarchic comics Olsen & Johnson take over Miracle Studios to make an epic with no money, enlisting look-alikes instead of stars. Guests include Count Basie, Glenn Miller Singers, and Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce! A Quentin Tarantino favorite!

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

that sounds awesome.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Rolling Thunder trailer

― C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else notice the styrofoam cup Dawson was drinking from in the car ride was marked Acuna Boys also?

All been said before, but I thought PT was too long and showed the bubbling pustules too much. Just because you have a budget doesn't mean you have to use it all.

DP was the better movie, but was too arty in a lot of places to pass for a real grindhouse film.

― nickn, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Planet Terror was more or less my ideal movie. Death Proof--meh. Too much time spent listening to bitches talk. And I hated how every bit of conversation in the diner was obviously going to be important later on. Black chick carries a gun! Kiwi chick is invincible! I would definitely watch PT again but I'd turn it off after the trailers.

― lindseykai, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

i really dont want to see this, and i love robert rodriguez

― and what, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

I am always amused by complaints of a QT film being "too talky". Like they expected Fast and Furious 3 or something.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

(pssst QUENTIN LIKES TALKING)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

2 bag 2 hammers

― and what, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

That's His Homage To Rohmer!

(x-post)

― C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoy dialogue when it's interesting. If I wanted to hear chicks talk about the dudes they're dating, I'd watch Sex in the City. I'd also be a completely different person. Probably one who doesn't love zombies so much.

― lindseykai, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Are you my ex-gf???

― Jordan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

It's a little known fact that Tarantino wrote the series finale of SITC.

― milo z, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

This was great. Death Proof better by a light year, but both were terrific. Couldn't place Michael "Kyle Reese" Beihn until halfway through, then got really psyched!

What I'm really hoping is that the success (?) of this film leads to a LONG fucking overdue DVD release of White Line Fever. I mean, shit, it's fucking Airwolf, fer chrissakes!

― Manalishi, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it was really cool to see Corporal Hicks getting work

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and I totally have a crush on Butterfly, horrible slits-for-nostrils nosejob notwithstanding.

― Manalishi, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

infinite xpost but texas chili parlor kicked my ass the other night. sooo good.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

The more time I've had to mull it over, the more I like Death Proof and the less I like Planet Terror.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Neither seems all that great in retrospect.

― Eric H., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's a great adrenaline rush in the moment with occasional stretches overall, but of the films I've seen so far this year it's the one that's left the least impact. Not a criticism, merely more of a process vs. product comparison.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

for all the anti grease nutjobs in the house the kurt russell nachos scene made me hungry as fuck & id just finished a tub of extra buttery popcorn.

this is an xpost

― deeznuts, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

i keep thinking about the second one, tarintinos, and remember seeing vanishing point and celluiod closet about the same time, and i dont remember which one i saw first, but vanishing point, i could never apperciate because of the explicit violence towards queers, and one of the problems i have w. the grindhouse genres is that one of the things they grind is women.

so having four women being killed in the usual way, and then having a similar set of women, refuse to be killed, and to have both sets be african american, or hispanic as well--i think that it was a corrective to the genres that tarintino has been playing w. all of his career--& i think his half of this, plus kill bill are essays about the history of culture, i dont think they nessc. work as cinema as much as deconstructions of cinema, or of the aesthetics of the real, so when you have people genuinely frightened, when the danger seems real (ie when they are going over the overpass, and they keep, almost praying no dead end no dead end no dead end, or when one has to be coaxed into playing sailors mast, etc) it seems to me that he is, well not refuting, but reworking what he thot about film in works like pulp fiction.

so i didnt think it worked as a double feature, i thot rodiguez(sp) work was subpar, and the best bits of it were v. close to tarintino anyways, but i think that death car, was fascinating, in its construction.

(or as my friend ashley said as he walked out of the theater--who knew that godards weekend and the duke of hazzards went so well together)

(and i saw maybe 20/5 people leaving after the first half, so they missed the second movie, but i cant imagine an interest in grindhouse as a genre is that large)

― pinkmoose, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

i kind of have a crush on grimey josh brolin after this. even though he looks like nick nolte these days.

― homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

Like that's a bad thing!

― David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

okay i only have a crush on him in PT, because in normal life he still looks too handsome

― homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

If I wanted to hear chicks talk about the dudes they're dating

That's in Death Proof? Damn, sounds more interesting than Superman being Clark Kent's secret identity.

The last Rodriguez film I saw was Dusk, have I missed anything? (I liked El Mariachi.)

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

You missed pne of Johnny Depp's best performances in Once Upon A Time. . .. And you missed Spy Kids, I guess.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget The Faculty!

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah I did! Actually that's his best movie since El Mariachi, although if all of Once had been Depp that would have easily surpassed it.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

the Faculty is totally a good, fun horror movie but yeah its pretty much the only thing I like of his besides El Mariachi.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I like all of his films (except for Roadracers). He's just not made anything that makes me go "wow what a great film" (since El Mariachi anyway--I thought that was amazing when I saw it.)

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I think Rodriguez is too in love with shmaltz, crap acting and his kids to make great films. Which is fine, I don't generally leave his films bored.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

OK,Film Threat has the best one-liner on the b.o.:

The only R-rated zombie film that can get away with an Easter opening and do well is "The Passion of the Christ."

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

robert rodriguez doesn't care enough about movies to make a great one, he's too ocd. "once upon a time in mexico" could have been awesome but it felt like a lightweight pisstake (+ awesome depp performance). plus i think his shoot and run digital style results in his work feeling even more empty.

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

The dude's too busy cooking his food & composing his soundtrack to bother with the actual business of film-making?

― David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

also too busy playing "two much" banderas stylee with mcgowan and his wife

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

actually i wouldn't put the old "my long lost brother juan" gambit past him, and i imagine it would work on ol rose

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

whaddya think... will this play as is for another two weeks? One week?

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

there are a few "summer" movies coming up which will own the box office, and the potential cost of splitting them and re-releasing them separately plus the possible backlash might mean they'll just leave them as-is. but those weinsteins are assholes, they might just do it anyway.

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

"whaddya think... will this play as is for another two weeks? One week?"

Uh it still made $11M. It'll play for a while.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

well, i was thinking specifically about the earlier report that weinstein might break it in have and re-release. I really hope he doesn't do that. It is the way it should be.

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

break it in halfff

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm going to see this tomorrow night, just to make sure. Tupelo being Tupelo and all.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's going to be pretty expensive to do the splitting thing. I think they'll just eat the money in the theaters and try to make it up internationally and via DVD.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

How far into a 3:00pm showing would you go to see Death Proof - ~4:20ish?

― milo z, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

not interested in seeing the rodriguez half, milo?

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Once was enough. I don't think the good sight gags (Freddie Rodriguez wheelying on the kid's bike) would work so well the second time.

― milo z, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

They worked on my dead ass 2nd time thru - the peg leg, the toy bike, the sausage, the herpes montage.

― David R., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Would this really work, broken in half, at all? It kind of kills the entire theme of it being two B-movies with the cheesy theater intro crap, fake trailers, etc. I don't know that I would be interested in paying for a full price ticket to either film, and the missing reel gag works well as-is.

Rodriguez films are pretty watchable (and enjoyable) and I think Planet Terror works pretty well for what it is. Tarantino does great with the "nothing but useless plot/conversation for a long time, followed by actual action" formula but that's never been my favorite B-movie convention. He does a reasonable job of fleshing out characters, but Rodriguez's are lovable and disposable!

(As an aside, I'm still amazed RR sees the light of day between filming, directing, editing, and scoring pretty much all his films and averaging one every year and a half or so)

― mh, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

helluva drug, etc

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Is there an estimate on what the pre-advertising budget for this thing was?

No one cares about the 'authentic grindhouse' element except (generously) 10% of the audience needed to make it a hit, so I don't see why Jabba Weinstein should care.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, a friend was claiming that most of the people who would go see it are familiar with b-movies, grindhouse cinema, etc. I said that at most, they might recognize "the Sin City guy" or "the Kill Bill guy" on the poster. If you're lucky, Tarantino might be "the guy who made that movie with the gimp." That's probably about 50% of your audience there.

― mh, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon though, who isn't familiar with the concept of a b-movie?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

People who don't remember double features (i.e., everyone under 25) who are not even mildly interested in pop-culture history. The multiplex masses.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

and Hollywood has adopted the b-movie subject matter for its a-list movies (so now it's either 'real movie' or straight-to-video that no one sees)

― milo z, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

If you grew up watching television, you probably know what a b-movie is.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

The ads and intermission did make me sad that I can just barely remember a time before every movie theater was stadium-seating and prefaced by 20 minutes of NBC commercials and CGI filler for the 'be quiet' stuff.

Even chains back then weren't so regimented.

― milo z, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Why do ppl like stadium seating again? I always want to sit WHERE THERE ARE NO SEATS.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

People who don't remember double features (i.e., everyone under 25)

I don't remember double features, either, and I'm 32. The last drive-in closed when I was about 6.

Perhaps there should be a movie recreating the experience of paying for one ticket and sneaking into two movies. That one I know.

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

xp - easier on your neck, wider seats for fat Americans

Perhaps there should be a movie recreating the experience of paying for one ticket and sneaking into two movies. That one I know.

Last time I did that was for Kill Bill 2 and Mean Girls, actually.

― milo z, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Why do ppl like stadium seating again?

I thought you went to films with subtitles, Morbius.

― Eric H., Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.michigandriveins.com/MOVIES_GREASE1.JPG

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

the last double feature i saw was phenomenon and the hunchback of notre dame (the disney version). it was in 1996 or something.

― homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say Rodriguez was more riffing off 1980s John Carpenter stylee action horror stuff rather than 1970s grind proper.

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Why do ppl like stadium seating again?

Reduces chance of being seated behind seven foot tall dudes.

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

the chairs are big and cushy, and you can sit isolated in those awesome handicap seats and not be too close to the screen. Progress is good.

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

also, if you are short, it doesn't matter, no one can block your view.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

EH, I've been trying to go to Zodiac for a month, but subtitled films and B musicals keep interfering! And I saw the Ken Loach movie in a stadium-seat arthouse.

(wait -- B Musical! the Olsen & Johnson one way above that QT likes was spotty.)

re Carpenter, I have Escape from New York waiting at the library. All I've liked from him til now is Starman.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

have you seen Big Trouble in Little China? Or The Thing?

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

no, no.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

troll lol

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

People who understand the full implications of "troll" and "grindhouse" are mutually exclusive, so I guess eat shit.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

whoa there's a new edgy morbius in town

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

No, I've been sanded.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

You've never seen Assault on Precinct 13? Halloween?

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

full disclosure: i have never seen assault on precinct 13.

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's utterly mediocre aside from the little girl getting blown away, what the hell? Halloween is OK -- about two scares (one a cheap shock) and a fine JLC amid some of the worst young actors who ever lived.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

oops. spoiler, kenan.

Anyway, bye, rent some goddamn Iranian movies.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

fwiw i actually agree with morbius for once basically. escape from ny is pretty entertaining but i don't get the rest of these very much.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

get some eyes, old timer

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

rent escape from tehran, guys

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

TEH THING

ITS THIS THING

― Jordan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

You guys are crazy. Carpenter is fantastic and Assault] is great!

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Carpenter scores >> Rodriguez scores

― Jordan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

The camerawork in Halloween, esp. the daylight suburban street scenes, are as dreamlike as anything

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Carpenter movies >>>>>>> than Rodriguez movies. Although El Mariachi is better than Darkstar.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

So much goodness from 74-88:

They Live
Prince of Darkness
Big Trouble in Little China
Starman
Christine
The Thing
Escape from New York
The Fog
Halloween
Assault on Precinct 13
Dark Star

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

My brain picks The Thing, my heart picks The Fog.

When they go to test drive the Dodge I half expected the seller to be Keith Gordon.

― zaxxon25, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

not liking stadium seating is crazy.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

According to imdb, the US is not grooving to the retro-goodness of GRINDHOUSE, with the movie performing poorly at the BO. Apparently, Americans couldn't understand the whole two-movies-for-one-price thing, so Mirimax is thinking of releasing the films seperately, thus allowing Staeside audiences the chance to get screwed as per.

― i, grey, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

the fog? are you serious?

― kenan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

The theater I saw it at had signs posted noting the running time and that there was no intermission, and that the trailers between the movies were "part of the experience."

― nickn, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

I know Dr. Morbius doesn't care about my opinions about film or anything but Big Trouble in Little China is a truly great movie.

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Fantastic movie.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

The Fog was my favorite horror movie as a kid, but seeing it again recently, it's pretty crappy. (As is The Omen, my second fave) (sadly, both are leagues better than their remakes)

― milo z, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

fyi there's a John Carpenter Blog-o-thon going on right now!

http://lazyeyetheatre.blogspot.com/

― JW, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Also here's some mp3s I posted in november of JC music: http://wizardishungry.com/blog/archive/the-disco-career-of-director-john-carpenter

― JW, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

"the thing" ost - ennio morricone

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IF4EH9JE

― rps, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

WTF? John Carpenter is more awesome than nearly any genre director who peaked in the late 70s/early 80s. Only Brian De Palma is better.

― Eric H., Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Though I have to admit calling Starman his best is trolling at its finest.

― Eric H., Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

MORBIUS STOP BEING SUCH A WET NOODLE

― chaki, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

shit i better see this friday before miramax fucks everything up

― gbx, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

who was it that said that the more they think on it, the better Death Proof gets and the more forgettable Planet Terror is? Because that person was mad 8080. Planet Terror is more immediately satisfying, and is more in the spirit of the grindhouse, but that means being forgettable almost by definition. Tarantino made a movie worth knawing on.

― kenan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

What exactly are we meant to gnaw on? I keep hearing "Death Proof was better because it makes you think." Wha? All it's got is the abuser/abused role reversal, which is right there on the surface. What am I missing?

― lindseykai, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

Though I have to admit calling Starman his best is trolling at its finest.

Eric, you know I have zero Automatic Affection for the low-budget horror and action genres, just as you do for rom-coms. I prefer Real Movies like Julia and Babette's Feast.

If Death Proof is released separately, I might see it.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Also. I've only seen 4 Carpenter films (incl Dark Star when I was about 15).

any genre director who peaked in the late 70s/early 80s.

This is a little like being the best defensive first baseman in the Sally League. Who's the third guy in that group, Allan Arkush? Terrible acting and dialogue is very distracting to me no matter the virtues, even in some Douglas Sirk movies.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Craven is probably third. Although in my book, Larry Cohen is first.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

"This is a little like being the best defensive first baseman in the Sally League."

It's more like best pitcher in the NL btw.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting to suspect that the self-referential movies-about-junk-movies thing is the hetero genre-geek guy's version of camp.

(Alex, I need to email you about A's games, June 1-5)

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

strike "self" above

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

no wait, all those Tarantino things you guys breatlessly catalogued. Put "self" back in.

I'll stop trolling now.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, I thought that would have been an obvious conclusion!

― HI DERE, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

taste the rainbow

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Re: The Fog - I'm with Milo Z. It's probably the first horror movie I saw as a kid. Some insightful commentary on the DVD.

lindseykai - reverse the order of the two Death Proof segments then think about the revenge fantasy genre. With the new ending point it is an extremely dark film, and the whole barroom scene becomes a tense predator/prey scenario with the audience as voyeur. The variety of opportunities for the ladies to change their plans (the texting scenes take on more meaning here) increases the tension.

― zaxxon25, Thursday, 12 April 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I've heard about the reverse order thing but I'm not buying it. Is there any evidence of this? (You know, other than the fact that QT directed it?) Did Kurt not have the scar in the second half or something?

Also, Big Trouble in Little China. All the way.

― lindseykai, Thursday, 12 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW, I've read that the script had a "16 months later" title in between the two halves. I think the whole "halves are reversed" meme is a desparate attempt to retroactively (appropriately enough) make Tarantino's film seem more well done than it is.

― Eric H., Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

If there's a lens through which I think it might be rewarding to watch Grindhouse through (besides a filthy drive-in one), I think it would be interesting to consider it in the category of film follies (on the order of Stroheim, Apocalypse Now, et al). A movie that costed that much to emulate something that cheap is some kind of weird achievement.

― Eric H., Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised Morbs hasn't seen The Thing! Such an unbelievably great movie. And Big Trouble is probably the best American tribute to kung-fu movies ever made, definitely better than Tarantino's efforts. Escape From New York I'd rank below those two, although still a fun little movie.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Christine is the most underrated and maybe the best Carpenter film from this period.

― Eric H., Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

any genre director who peaked in the late 70s/early 80s.

perhaps this is faint praise, but its still true. They Live should appeal to Morbs' grumpy liberal sensibilities, if he can handle fast-forwarding throug the 20-minute "Wear these glasses!" fight scene. Carpenter really had an amazing run, there's no denying it.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

that fight scene in They Live is so pointlessly, awesomely epic

― latebloomer, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

As I've said, I avoided The Thing in 1982 out of respect to Nyby/Hawks. I will watch it after Escape from NY.

The budget I saw today on GH is $90 million. Who wrote that book on film follies, Hoberman? What comes similarly to mind is Ishtar (sort of a Hope-Crosby movie; they never left the soundstage in the '40s).

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm thinking they should've shot this for $4 mil tops and showed it exclusively in dump theaters! Think of the PR.

Shakey, I am not a liberal.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

no kidding.
here's the They Live fight scene:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wqKFadyJxwg
it's only 5 min or so, but seems longer...

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

no argument on "grumpy" tho, eh?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Never!

One genre revamp I like is Kathryn Bigelow's Near Dark

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

You're comparing this to Ishtar? As much fun as it is to watch the Tarantino haters sport wood every time he underperforms at the box office, let's hold off on the death knell just yet. This thing is gonna sell like gangbusters on DVD.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

as it should, wtf with the haters

― kenan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

If it makes it to $30mn domestic plus foreign (where it's getting separate releases) plus DVD - it's not Titanic, but it's hard to think they'll lose money.

― milo z, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

I like Tarantino (as a director - stay off the screen please Mr. Destiny Turns On the Radio), I'm more of a Rodriguez hater.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

and as for "liberal sensibilities," I liked The Last Boy Scout.

I was comparing to Ishtar in terms of spending megabucks on an hommage to an inexpensive source inspiration.

"as it should." 3-hour movies about nothing but other movies. Had it w/ em, Mr Video Clerk Auteur.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, Tarantino's so awful as an actor I like him. Especially that bar scene in Desperado w/ Cheech Marin.

― milo z, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone declared him the Smart Imus for putting the N-word in hot actresses' mouths?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Only one hot actress's mouth this time. Sadly, we don't get to hear Zoe Bell and her NZ accent throw out the n-word.

― milo z, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

But if you're going to take that route, it's much easier to take issue with "Jungle Julia."

― milo z, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Tarantino's casual racism thing is a total headscratcher. It serves no real purpose, yet every character in his films tosses around epithets as if its part of their natural speech. I'm sure Quentin has some elaborate excuse for it.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

well, I was taking the I-haven't-seen-it route. Armond W compared GH to Abu Ghraib.

I think it was the Village Voice that quoted a black woman exiting a QT film (maybe Pulp Fiction) saying, "He wants a black man to fuck him up the ass!"

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that racism thing bothered me more in this one than it ever has before. I mean, I've always noticed it but it seemed much more forced this time. Probably because he was shoehorning Sam Jackson into Tracie Thoms with no remorse.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have a problem with racial/racist language being used in a film, but jeezus do it FOR A REASON, i.e., because it fits the characters or the film's context or the story or whatever. QT just seems to take it for granted that all the major characters in his films are racist. why is that? Is it just laziness? Empty provocation ("oooh he said the N word")? Is it some sort of subtle implication that murderers/criminals/psychopaths/gangsters are all also uniformly racist...?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

The guy unironically loves blaxploitation. Do the math.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

hey I love blaxploitation movies too, but pretending that the language in them isn't confined to a particular time and place is pretty weird. I mean, no part of Pulp Fiction is a blaxploitation movie, really.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

"dead n*gger storage"? and Jackson's entire role?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

also, isn't Grindhouse confined to THAT particular time and place?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

sure, but Pulp Fiction does not take place in a ghetto in the 70s.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

(umm x-post - I have no idea when/where Grindhouse takes place)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

See the fucking movie already, dad

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I missed it tonight, but that's because I called the theater and confirmed that the movie is staying through next week. Might catch it Sunday night.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 13 April 2007 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey, some cultural critic-type (forget who) suggested that QT's use of the n-bomb was his subtle way of claiming a level of intimacy with black culture. "I've seen lots of blaxploitation and I try to get people to take it seriously as art, so I can say nigger," basically.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 13 April 2007 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

Gonna see this tomorrow night with my posse (a.k.a. my one friend), hellz yeah

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

. Who wrote that book on film follies, Hoberman?

Stuart Klawans.

― C0L1N B..., Friday, 13 April 2007 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

A great book, but a little dense.

― Eric H., Friday, 13 April 2007 05:30 (nineteen years ago)

Compare and contrast the Butterfly and Zoe sequences in Death Proof.

In the Zoe sequence Stuntman does not attempt to make contact with his targets. He stalks them, and being a stuntman knows their capabilities. He likely selected them as his targets specifically because of those capabilities. When he confronts them it is not with the intent to injure them, instead he toys with them and pushes them to the edge of control. It's done in the daytime because he wants to see them, see their reactions. No doubt it is a dangerous situation but once again he knows their capabilities. At the end of the first sequence of their chase he gets out of the vehicle and attempts to revel in the moment with them. He assumesg they were as thrilled as he was with the experience. Stuntman clearly does not expect their hostile reaction or further pursuit.

In the Butterfly sequence he confronts his targets beforehand and engages in extended conversations with them. He knows they are not anything beyond normally skilled drivers, less than that because they are inebriated. He relishes the contact, the power of knowing his fate is in their hands. He makes sure to rid himself of any incriminating evidence before the final sequence. Note how the sequence is set up, unlike Zoe there is no toying with the targets, no knowledge of who is confronting them. It's done with nighttime used as cover. He only reveals himself a split second beforehand, he wants to make sure they have that final fleeting moment of realization. It is a purely premeditated act with nothing left to chance.

The two sequences make more sense in my mind in the order above. Why would he have such a cavalier attitude about the Zoe sequence after acting in a much more calculated manner during Butterfly? In Butterfly there is no chance for escape, with Zoe he wants them to escape. He easily could have quickly wrecked Zoe but he doesn't, that's not the point. The point is to have fun, but his assumption that they would enjoy the experience is way off. Butterfly is his reaction to that betrayal, his revenge fantasy acted out. He does not make the same mistake, he is in control of the situation and now knows what he wants as the final outcome.

In my mind the movie should have ended with the Sherriff's analysis of the Butterfly situation, but think how that movie would play. Instead of an incredible up followed by an incredible down, it's reversed. It would be like walking out of United 93. Part of me wishes it had been done that way, but it's more interesting to have the sequence question unresolved. Can't say I'm right but that's the way it plays in my mind.

― zaxxon25, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

A movie that cost that much to emulate something that cheap

Sometimes the most obvious answer is the most forgettable.

[Removed Illegal Image]

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Errrrm

http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/postproduction/crawl/longtime.gif

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

This was a fun fucking movie. I liked both segments very much.

― Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 14 April 2007 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

Following Planet Terror's consistent sensory assault was probably partially to blame, but I got bored enough during the QT prattle that I'm kind of amazed that people could prefer Death Proof, unless they didn't really like Terror much and are just praising Proof over it by default. The conversations in Proof seemed nowhere as memorable as the ones in earlier QT films, and performed by weaker actors (Rosario Dawson aside). Tangential discussions aren't new in his films, but the lines felt repetitious and logey, like they'd re-inserted outtakes (I can't imagine watching a stand-alone version where they added MORE talk). Plus the conversations about movies and music ("I wanna hear Dippy D, Monk, Mook and Trip (or whatever)," "you girls watched John Hughes movies but we were GEARHEADS") were such stock QT moments that the indulgence was even more annoying (more than any of his other films I felt everything was just STOPPING so we could all listen to the admittedly excellent soundtrack).

― da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Voice critic says about Death Proof "the tradition he's elaborating on is the Tarantino Movie." and after Kill Bill I'm surprised anybody was really jonesing for QT to elaborate on himself.

― da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

The trailers (all of which were so fucking good) also helped me stay in the mood of the first movie. I wanted to enjoy more stoner nerd fodder, not watch a bunch hang out.

― da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

so you didn't like it very much? I CANNOT TELL.

(seriously what about the really cool car chase? what about the look of the film? what about...oh, never mind, you have the village voice on your side, what the hell can a plebe like me add to the discussion?)

― Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

tbh i didnt think the conversations or lines were memorable either, esp when i think back to his earlier stuff. but that didnt make them boring, & i think it goes w/out saying the movie lives or dies with its payoffs.

planet terror was fun but very forgettable. like someone said above dp actually manages to get better as it sinks in.

― deeznuts, Saturday, 14 April 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

hi apparently i am 13 years old cuz when i opened my mailbox today and got the new rolling stone i had a very *hubba hubba* *ZOINKS!* moment:

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/3637/3637.jpg

― scott seward, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

seriously what about the really cool car chase? what about the look of the film?

the film looked nice and I enjoyed the car chase until I realized that they had been provided numerous chances to slow down and let Zoe back in the car and yet they just kept speeding on with her on the hood. There was little in Death Proof that I didn't think dragged on.

oh, never mind, you have the village voice on your side, what the hell can a plebe like me add to the discussion?
Actually, the Voice was fine with Tarantino's "elaboration." It's not "on my side," I'm just saying that I'm surprised people would like it as such. It's kind of absurd to whine about being a "plebe" because you liked the long-winded movie everyone's comparing to Eric Roehmer more than the the gorefest.

I enjoyed parts Death Proof (when Kurt first revealed he was a psycho, I definitely assumed the movie was kicking into gear), I just dug Planet Terror a lot more.

― da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

also, what exactly was there to "sink in" about Death Proof? Aside from the fact that I think "sinking in" would be a little beside the point in a part of a double feature called Grindhouse, I can't really figure out what exactly is going to resound more with time. I'd still rather see the avalanche of bad-ass shit in Planet Terror. Trying to open a car door with numb hands! Gratutious backflips! The most awesomely fluid-filled bullet wounds in history!

― da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Death Proof could have used more shots of a gun being spun around a finger.

― da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

I just liked 'em both, is all. I don't want to fight or say crappy things to da croupier or anyone. Also Scott S OTM; I have always thought Rose McGowan kinda overhyped until last night, now I'm like THAT'S MY HOMEGIRL. And Rosario Dawson is UNIMPEACHABLY BEAUTIFUL yo.

― Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 14 April 2007 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Death Proof is an infintely less depressing Rosario Dawson vehicle than Clerks II.

― da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, QT masturbatory exercise infinitely preferable to Kevin Smith's

― latebloomer, Saturday, 14 April 2007 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

you guys need to take some massive bong hits.

― Yerac, Saturday, 14 April 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

-63% this weekend

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

the box office doesn't matter until you can use it to your advantage, right?

― rps, Monday, 16 April 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

huh?

I'm enjoying it mostly cuz a film that is SO COOL (with a title that gets EVERYONE WET) that cost $100 million is failing. And might take that evil fuck H Weinstein with it.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

you're more variety than cineaste, dude

― rps, Monday, 16 April 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha, DAAAAMMMNN.

This made me want to run people off the road all the way home. I'm glad I saw it in a theater, it's not going to have nearly the impact (haw) on my little tv. Plus I got the true grindhouse experience -- the film broke three times.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 20 April 2007 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm enjoying it mostly cuz a film that is SO COOL (with a title that gets EVERYONE WET) that cost I'm enjoying it mostly cuz a film that is SO COOL (with a title that gets EVERYONE WET) that cost $100 million is failing.00 million is failing.

rong.

If it was soo cool, people would be seeing it, unless you think "cool" means "people you disagree with." Which would almost be correct, but not quite. And it's not a title that gets everyone wet, it's a title that has to be explained to most anyone outside of NYC and under 30. And it only cost $55 mil.

― kenan, Friday, 20 April 2007 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

"cool" means retro shit-fetishizing for fanboys.

you're more variety than cineaste, dude

Well then re H Winstein:

FAT FUX PIX SUX

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Grindhouse top be spilt in two for UK release. Great, thanks Harvey Wankstain.

― DavidM, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

A longer cut of Death Proof is supposed to debut at Cannes.

― C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

With fifteen minutes more...conversation!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

― pisces, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I read the screenplay for Death Proof this week, and in some ways it's more suspenseful and weird than the movie itself.

Tarantino and Rodriguez should follow up this movie with Arthouse, an homage to early John Sayles and Jean de Florette type films.

― Eazy, Friday, 4 May 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

There are a bunch of fake trailers on YouTube from the SXSW Grindhouse trailer contest - more than a few of them (da winnah "Hobo With a Shotgun", my fave "Black Mantis", "El Jardinero", "BRAINZ", "Death Racer Vs. The Vampire Women", "Hippy Bastards From Hell") are FUN!

― David R., Friday, 4 May 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Maiden of Death is still my favorite.

― milo z, Friday, 4 May 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

So anyway, some waffle from Cannes on the imminent separate Death Proof release:

But executive producer Harvey Weinstein insisted that the editing of the movies to make the double bill had "removed some of the essence of the films".
"European audiences are going to get a lot more, and a lot more enjoyment, when they see the films as intended.
"You are going to get Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino doing their thing, and it will dwarf Grindhouse."
Tarantino said: "We didn't cut our movies to the bone, we cut them past the bone."
The longer version of Death Proof includes long conversational scenes involving actresses including Rosario Dawson, Rose McGowan and Tracie Thoms.
"I can't figure out how he (Tarantino) knows how we talk to each other when men aren't around," said Thoms.
"I read the script and I said, 'I have had this conversation - a lot. How did he know?'"
Dawson said: "Quentin definitely prides himself on being the lone guy among his girlfriends."

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think Tarantino understands "girl talk" better than I do.

― lindseykai, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

i hope they still release Grindhouse on DVD the way it was in theaters

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

The longer version of Death Proof includes long conversational scenes involving actresses including Rosario Dawson, Rose McGowan and Tracie Thoms.

unlike the shorter version

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

otm

― Eric H., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

ha yea

― sleep, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

er, I mean I'm going to see THIS tonight

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 18 June 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

While Rodriguez's is the more accurate take on the genre Tarantino's is the better film by far.

totally otm

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

altho really car-movies and zombie splatter movies are pretty separate genres, they operate differently.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Can someone who thinks Death Proof was the "better film" explain me why they think so?

― Martin Van Burne, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

better acting, better dialogue, better building of tension, more inventive use of source material, more interesting narrative construction, better music, funnier ending

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

I mean Planet Terror was okay but it was basically a goofy cartoon and there were a couple sequences (Tarantino rape scene, doctor vs. wife w/needles scene, kid shooting self in face scene in particular) that violated the tone by a) dragging on too long and b) making apparently genuine attempts to be scary/frightening (as opposed to just going for gory laughs)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

Tarantino rape scene was genuinely frightening but I don't think they were going for that.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

Goofy cartoons are bad?
First half of DP was lovingly done, the ending car stuff was great, but the talky scenes in part two were interminable, mostly witless, and wooden.

― Martin Van Burne, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

goofy cartoons are fine and enjoyable. Its just that Tarantino's homage was just more thoughtfully assembled and more interesting - it was the kind of thing where even though I'm familiar with the particular genre he's paying his respects to, I could not be sure what was going to happen next or how the various shifts in tone would play out. I guess I prefer that kind of viewing experience - one where I can be surprised - over one which is thoroughly predictable and essentially empty (tho still fun).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

but the talky scenes in part two were interminable, mostly witless, and wooden.

Tarantino does this all the time, inserting long stretches of innocuous conversational dialogue - it ratchets up the tension because the viewer is both being made to think of the characters as normal, average boring people while at the same time eagerly anticipating the conversation's end to get to the "action". It makes the punctuated scenes of violence more surprising and more engaging. Its called pacing.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

"Its called pacing."

Oh thank you I have never seen a movie before that is not all cars blowing up for two hours straight.

"eagerly anticipating the conversation's end" = OTM

Worst dialogue Tarantino's written to date, and the actresses couldn't pull it off.

― Martin Van Burne, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

viz kill bill where uma talks to the colombian guy for like 10 minutes (with a looooong one-shot monologue) and i seriously thought dude was gonna get sliced up just as payoff for the tension established. xpost

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

I love that scene - unfortunately Michael Parks didn't have anything of that caliber to really work with in Grindhouse (tho I did enjoy him whenever he was on screen)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

and the actresses couldn't pull it off.

I thought the first set of girls did a better job with their scenes, its true. The black girl in the second half got kinda irritating, Tarantino definitely fell back on some reliable gimmicks there ("lets have a black character who says motherfucker a lot and says "nigga please!" to white people!")

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

That, and the talky bits in the second half weren't as interesting visually. Just stopped the movie dead for me, instead of building suspense.

― Martin Van Burne, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Death Proof -- now with twenty more minutes of talking!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:37 (eighteen years ago)

AWESOME!

― John Justen, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 07:04 (eighteen years ago)

we can, of course, agree to disagree.

In all seriousness, I'd like to extend a big fuck you to the idea that we're all too stupid to realize that there will be a GRINDHOUSE SUPER COMPLETE EXTRA SPECTACULAR edition in the future.

Also, where is Machete?

― John Justen, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 07:06 (eighteen years ago)

I just saw Death Proof on Saturday and watched it again tonight and I think it's fantastic. I find anyone complaining that it takes too long to "ramp up to the action" hilariously missing the point.

― Kerm, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 08:41 (eighteen years ago)

Also, where is Machete?

Urgent and key.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

the dialogue in that second diner scene is rough, man.

― omar little, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

Death Proof extended cut gives Jordan Ladd and Mary Elizabeth Winstead more screentime apparently: this cannot be a bad thing.

― milo z, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

I read somewhere that the Machete trailer was the only one that was going to make the DVDs, and that is was supposed to be with Death Proof.

Don't get your hopes up for some super-mega Grindhouse edition though. I'm still waiting for the Kill Bill one.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still waiting for the Kill Bill one.

Supposed to be out at Xmas?

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

i have the death proof disc with me now, probly will watch it tonight. will report back!

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

x-post -- (I've been waiting on that one too.)

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Supposed to be out at Xmas?

Is it? Nice, hadn't heard that.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

Don't get your hopes up for some super-mega Grindhouse edition though. I'm still waiting for the Kill Bill one.

-- jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:17 (39 minutes ago) Link

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god yeah i think yr right there. no chance.

whats this big conversation between women that we're all going to be floored by then? or what's it *about*?

― pisces, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

dating

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

roundtable analysis of Slayer lyrics

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

Just saw Planet Terror - amazing!

― the next grozart, Thursday, 20 September 2007 02:32 (eighteen years ago)

I find anyone complaining that it takes too long to "ramp up to the action" hilariously missing the point.

Not being a dick here, but what is the point?

I like Tarantino, but as a huge fan of "Grindhouse" movies, I kind of think it was Tarantino who missed the point. For a guy who is the closest thing to the patron saint of the genre, "Death Proof" makes it seem like the guy has never seen one.

― Ben Boyerrr, Thursday, 20 September 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)

Car wrecks and gore effects are expensive. Short shorts and cheerleader uniforms are not.

― Kerm, Thursday, 20 September 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

watch Dirty Marry/Crazy Larry or Vanishing Point or Two-Lane Blacktop again - not a lot "happens" in the conventional action-film sense.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

(Tarantino even explicitly refs two of those films in the movie!)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

those 70s car movies (which aren't ensemble, "wacky" roadmovie comedies) are mostly composed of a lot of brooding driving, staring into the distance, goofy/underdeveloped dialogue + a few chase sequences and maybe a good soundtrack

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 20 September 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2177392,00.html

pwnd

kind of lolling at the winterbottom film making the top ten too. so much hype about the man and his work-fast-work-lots "process", which involves doing without things like continuity editing (but really without editing in any sense. if you don't know how your footage will cut together you're kind of fucked). but what's the point if no-one sees it?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 27 September 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

NOT making the top ten

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 27 September 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

Saw Death Proof last Saturday evening (ie. second day of uk release)and in the 500 seat cinema there were a total of six people (including me and the missus).

I enjoyed it very much - it was basically nonsense of course, but very entertaining. I agree that the wise-ass yakking was overcooked (could easily have lost 80% of the diner scene at the beginning of the second half) but the good stuff (music, other dialogue, characters, violence, eye-popping car wrecks) was great, undemanding fun. I'm glad to have seen it on the big screen too, if only for the fantastic final chase scene.

Plenty keen to see Planet Terror now, although it doesn't look like that's getting a UK theatrical release at all.

― Bill A, Thursday, 27 September 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I saw Planet Terror last night. it was awesome. I particularly liked the line "I'm going to have to take your balls".

I really want the soundtrack album now. The parts that are not actual John Carpenter music sound like great JC pastiche.

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 19 November 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

MACHETE looks like it will be the greatest film ever made... Wikipedia claims that it may actually go into production. Fascinating.

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 19 November 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Ebert: "when it comes to fabricating bad movies, Rodriguez and Tarantino have a failure of will. To paraphrase Manny Farber, you can catch them trying to shove art up into the crevices of dreck."

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/REVIEWS/710250304/0/search1

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

"Death Proof," which I liked better, splits into two halves involving quartets of women, most of them lesbians,

say what?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

I picture Morbs printing out hard copies of every ILX film thread ever so as to literally shit all over them.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

how nice 4u

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 November 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

MACHETE looks like it will be the greatest film ever made... Wikipedia claims that it may actually go into production. Fascinating.

I so want this to be true.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 November 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently, Machete has already been made.

― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 20 November 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

But not starring Danny Trejo.

― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 20 November 2007 00:02 (eighteen years ago)

WELL JEEZ

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

Dear Oxford's Ultimate Picture Palace, you rule.

June 13th, 11.30pm
GRINDHOUSE
(Rodriguez & Tarantino / 2007 / USA / 191 mins / Cert 18)
The original double-bill as it was meant to be seen, complete with fake trailers by Eli Roth and Edgar Wright, Grindhouse finds its true home at the MIDNIGHT MICROPLEX!

― caek, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/196/440912046_f0a4dbc044.jpg

that was awesome, by the way. the cinema itself is a real dump which is basically a booth on the street and then a fire exit which leads into the theatre with about 70 seats. that's it. the ladder that leads up to the projector is under an awning outside. me and my friend were sober, but pretty much everyone else was slaughtered. funnest cinema crowd I've ever been in outside film festival late screenings.

the girl next to me had a carrier bag with twelve beers and gave me two during the intermission because she heard me complaining I was thirsty! unfortunately I was a Michael-Cera-in-Superbad style idiot and did not hit on her because she was drunk and I was sober :/

when we left at 4am the sun was well and truly up, so apart from that missed opportunity, v. good times.

― caek, Sunday, 15 June 2008 02:00 (eighteen years ago)

Are we anticipating that shoddy piece of thievery by whatshisfacewiththehugejaw OR reminiscing about 70's grindhouse?

― VeronaInTheClub, Sunday, 15 June 2008 02:01 (eighteen years ago)

YES

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 15 June 2008 02:08 (eighteen years ago)

hhah

― caek, Sunday, 15 June 2008 02:11 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Death Proof was the least sexy movie I watched today, and the other two were One Day In September and The Counterfeiters.

― Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 14 September 2008 23:01 (seventeen years ago)

which was the most?

― s1ocki, Monday, 15 September 2008 01:22 (seventeen years ago)

I bet it was One Day In September or The Counterfeiters.

― Eric H., Monday, 15 September 2008 01:58 (seventeen years ago)

ya but which was the most

― s1ocki, Monday, 15 September 2008 02:09 (seventeen years ago)

haha

― Convert your pencil into a large pole (caek), Monday, 15 September 2008 02:20 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

Just saw "Death Proof" this weekend. MASSIVE LOLZ

― Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 19:59 (seventeen years ago)

yeah - I prefer the theatrical version (with the "reel missing"/striptease scene removed, among other things)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:00 (seventeen years ago)

The bit right before he fucks up the first group of girls with his car, when he's doing the "now you're just gonna get scared faster" speech, was genuinely chilling!

The subsequent ass-whooping from girl group #2 was pretty fucking hysterical. Also, I really REALLY liked the second series of extended dialogue scenes as they did actually establish those girls as people who shouldn't be trifled with.

― Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:05 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

I can't believe the second set of girls left their model buddy to hang out alone in the middle of the woods with creepy Jasper.

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 14 February 2009 18:46 (seventeen years ago)

^^haha in a cheerleader outfit no less! @ the time i SO wanted to know more of that storyline

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 14 February 2009 18:50 (seventeen years ago)

Does the expanded version make any effort to explain it? It really bothered me - made me feel like these girls were thoughtless assholes instead of loyal buddies.

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 14 February 2009 19:08 (seventeen years ago)

just watching planet terror, so far it's garbage but entertaining.

― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Saturday, 14 February 2009 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

i think there might be a little more on the dvd but nothing that ties up the loose end or makes it less icky

― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Saturday, 14 February 2009 23:02 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

Finally saw this. Had to watch it over two nights though.

I probably liked Planet Terror better as a whole than Death Proof. It just seemed more like a genre movie. The BBQ shack on the hill, the dirty hospital (even before the virus hit). The static Bruce Willis cameos. Little details like that big square florescent light fixture in the doctors' kitchen, scenes from a tense marriage in that late-70s architecture. the constant sound of the 'cue cooking (didja notice the "that's our cue!" line after the cook blows himself up?) Even better was the modern elements like the cellphones and Iraq references, telling us that omg this is happening NOW.

I don't want to sound like my mom, but exactly was necessary to the plot to have the kid shoot himself? That burst of gunshot from behind the windshield was the most disturbing shot of the whole movie.

You could tell in Death Proof that lol hey look QT's making a drive-in movie. The early shots of poor editing, where the car suddenly disappears or the line of dialogue repeats itself, seemed a bit more for the yuks than it did to cast a cheap feel to the movie. The fact that the scratches and everything eventually disappeared shows that the cheap editing was just kinda put in there to yank the chains a little bit.

Someone quoted a review of Tarentino constantly trying to "educate" his viewers on the finer intricacies of slop-house cinema and vinyl music with his clever references. It reminds me of dudes in college that would trap me in a dorm room and force me to listen to The Pretty Things or somebody, all the while watching from a corner with a demented smile and a look of "See? SEE?" It especially gets old when the old movies QT references are his old movies.

ANd talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk TALK TALK TALK. I'm just glad that they didn't get together with Richard Linklater to make a triple-feature.

ALL THAT SAID, the car sequences were great. The first crash was legitimately scary, especially watching Butterfly's fate after getting to know her character the most. Kurt Russell is the man. He's an underrated actor, having just seen Miracle not too long ago as well.

One more thing: Forget the Red Apple cigarettes or the Big Kahuna burger. Tarentino does this thing in each of his movies that always surprises me when they happen. It's watching his characters break through the wall of his little QT Universe and into ours. From the shock of the woman who shoots Mr. Orange, when Butchie hits Marcellus with the car or even just Jackie Brown walking around a shopping mall, that sudden reappearance of the world outside of the theater - the world we belong to - always jars me a little, in a good way.

I liked seeing the SUVs and minivans as well as the texts. It's going to make a film intentionally made to look dated look authentically dated here in another decade or so.

(And I'm so glad I didn't know about the Nic Cage cameo before I saw it!)

― •--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:11 (seventeen years ago)

Nic Cage cameo? did I miss this or totally forget it....

― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:18 (seventeen years ago)

It's in the Rob Zombie fake trailer for Werewolf Women of the SS. He of course plays Fu Manchu.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:18 (seventeen years ago)

ANd talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk TALK TALK TALK. I'm just glad that they didn't get together with Richard Linklater to make a triple-feature.

Hahah so true.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:19 (seventeen years ago)

He's in Rob Zombie's fake trailer with the Nazi werewolves.

― Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:19 (seventeen years ago)

Shit. X-post.

― Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:19 (seventeen years ago)

oh right, the trailer - for some reason I thought PP was still talking about Death Proof.

Death Proof is sooooo much better guyz, sorry.

― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:20 (seventeen years ago)

there's a lot of talking in B-grade 70s car chase movies

― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:21 (seventeen years ago)

Curious to know where/how you saw this with the Nic Cage trailer, I thought only the Machete trailer was included on the DVD/Blu-Ray releases.

― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:21 (seventeen years ago)

It was on Encore. Double-feature with Machete at the beginning and the other three at intermission.

― •--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:28 (seventeen years ago)

Thanks, I'll have to watch out for that.

― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:38 (seventeen years ago)

― Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:46 (seventeen years ago)

I find "Death Proof" truly unbearable but thought "Planet Terror" was a blast, and way closer to getting the spirit of the grindhouse circuit.

― Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:47 (seventeen years ago)

Forgot this: Kurt Russell's John Wayne impersonation was dead-on as something a scary old guy in a bar would do.

― •--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 17:57 (seventeen years ago)

T/S: Planet Terror, Death Proof

― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:01 (seventeen years ago)

also fwiw most of my thoughts are here: Planet Terror versus Death Proof

― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 18:03 (seventeen years ago)

Apparently the big news out of SXSW is that Rodriguez is finally going ahead with making a full-length "Machete"

― kingfish, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:09 (seventeen years ago)

do not want

― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:11 (seventeen years ago)

Honestly I want that full thirty-minute version of Werewolf Women of the SS more.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:12 (seventeen years ago)

what is the Austin bar in Death Proof?

― Past a Diving Jeter (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:17 (seventeen years ago)

Machete looked great! Totally want. Don't care if Rob Zombie releases another film or not.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:17 (seventeen years ago)

to be fair I kind of don't want any more movies from Rodriguez period

― Roberto Mussolini (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:19 (seventeen years ago)

The Texas Chili Parlor?

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:20 (seventeen years ago)

That's mean.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:20 (seventeen years ago)

there's a lot of talking in B-grade 70s car chase movies

the only thing that makes me glad I saw Death Proof is that I probably wouldn't have checked out Dirty Mary Crazy Larry otherwise. Then again, I might have come across it on some Peter Fonda kick eventually.

― da croupier, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 21:25 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

first half of 'death proof' - p good, better than 'inglorious basterds'
second half - opened another tap, clicked ilxor.com, jesus this is boring

― history mayne, Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:24 (fifteen years ago)

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