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This was big local news around where I live when it happened. Wonder why the mainstream news media didn't jump all over this story? Maybe someone out there can tell me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom_murder

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=53649

― StanM, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

spammers suck.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

if only they had owned guns

― max, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, these fuckers aren't worth the ammo. Try again, max.

xpost who's the spammer?

I like how that previous thread was full of cartoons and people commenting on what a fine piece of ass a young Jesse Jackson was in his younger days.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

The way you worded the thread title and your non-descript first post made me think you were one of those people who come on here and try to get us to go their blog, or a freinds' site (a wiki entry they wrote) in the guise of real discussion. phew how was that for a run-on sentance?

Apologies if that was not your intent.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

it's a conspiracy

― sleep, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

did you attend the rally to protest crimes by blacks against whites

― sleep, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

yea this is really grim:(

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Google shows every right wing website has taken up your cause.

Just so's you all know

― Mark G, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

sleep - the rally hasn't happened yet. It's June 16th. I would attend in a second if it were about this one case, and to draw some attention to it, but the stupid white nationalists have made it about 'black on white crime' in general, and I'm not going to be rubbing elbows with anyone in a fucking sheet.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Well thank goodness for high standards.

― Laurel, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

FFS why do I still post here.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

our cutting edge supply of lolcats?

― kingfish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

if you don't think it's due to squeamishness about black on white crime, then, why don't you tell us why this story has been deliberately underreported?

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

he's the bizarro kingfish

― wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

because, lord knows, there's nothing the media hates more than to portray black people as criminals.

xpost

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

"snopes.com" too hard to spell

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

a horrible crime was comitted and most/all of the perps were caught and sentanced.

why are people up in arms over there not being an investigation? are they talking about an investigation of the meediaz?

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

B/c some people are angry about the Duke Lacrosse case, and feel that they need a get-back

― kingfish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

oh.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

sadly, i can think of about half a dozen local cases off the top of my head in which horrifying crimes involving murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, imprisonment, machetes, etc were committed, and none of these made national news. why is this different?

xposts

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - Do you really think there is any comparison, kingfish? Did you read the details of this case?

lauren - It isn't black people's fault the chickenshit media is biased.

Have YOU read the details of this case? And where the hell do you live where 'half a dozen' rapes and mutilations take place on a regular basis with no national attention? Remind me never to visit.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

About that 'regular basis' part.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

any high-density urban area in the country, and please don't.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

And where the hell do you live where 'half a dozen' rapes and mutilations take place on a regular basis with no national attention?

America

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

haha or yeah the better answer

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

ban Manalishi

― milo z, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

I tell people that if it's in the news, don't worry about it. The very definition of "news" is "something that hardly ever happens." It's when something isn't in the news, when it's so common that it's no longer news -- car crashes, domestic violence -- that you should start worrying.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

ok i was thinking oh no not that thing again its really grim. because, it is! id forgot about the hoo-ha about media coverage or lack of, on this

i dont really want to go down that whole road about perceived political correctness or whatever. was there a reasonably long period of time between the crime and the arrests? because once people have been arrested the media doesnt really seem to care (unless there are kids involved)

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

This story, as terrible as it is, seems to me to be the kind of thing that usually remains a local story. The national media sometimes embraces sensational local stories like these and makes them national news, but it is very selective about it and, in a sense, arbitrary. Why didn't it select this particular case? I think there are many possible reasons that go beyond the racial aspects of the case. No single case can prove a pattern of media bias. There would need to be statistical evidence measured over a period of time, comparing rates of crime based on the racial characteristics of the perpetrator and victim and the rates in which these cases are reported in the media. However, there are few groups that would have a political agenda to collect this type of statistical evidence, and the collection of it would be seen as being in bad taste or even racist by some.

― o. nate, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

I said as much on the other thread - the 24/7 news media has a strong, ratings-based aversion to the word "rape"

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

ok lauren answered my other question, about the coverage this kind of crime gets in the media. you've lived over here LP, do you think its the same here?

i kinda dont think it is - to an extent, well, no, thats not quite true. i think this kind of case makes a media frenzy here, but only if the victims are middle class. everyone knows gang violence never gets reported here

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Wonder why the mainstream news media didn't jump all over this story? Maybe someone out there can tell me.

er ...

I would attend in a second if it were about this one case, and to draw some attention to it, but the stupid white nationalists have made it about 'black on white crime' in general

so hang on: surely this means your first sentence isn't a rhetorical question implying the entire issue is about perceptions of "black on white" or "white on black" crime?

in which case i'm really, really interested to see what you do think it's about. maybe you could tell us?

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

rape coverage is still disgusting (one in the metro today about how a 13 yr old was 'asking to be gang raped')

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

where did i say that those events were occurring on a regular basis? i'm talking over the past 3-4 years. it's a sad fact that unless major crimes involve celebrities, children, or mass murder they're not going to get much national press.

It isn't black people's fault the chickenshit media is biased.

i have no idea what you mean by that, if it's in response to something that i said.

many xposts

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Gareth, gang violence gets reported here if there are innocent people (ie teenage girls at parties) caught in the crossfire. I don't think it's a class thing.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

many xposts It is about ONE black on white crime. Howzzat?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Srsly I don't know why you're bothering as it seems fairly evident that Manalishi/Roger has already made up his mind this is only going largely unreported because all the killers were black, and not any of the other plausible reasons.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

because once people have been arrested the media doesnt really seem to care (unless there are kids involved)

er ... because (in the UK, anyway) once the case is sub judice (which theoretically is from the moment someone's charged, but newspapers can't afford to take the risk of someone getting charged while, say, the thing's on the press) you can't say anything other than the absolute bare and undeniable facts without prejudicing the trial?

many xposts It is about ONE black on white crime. Howzzat?

so why do you feel so strongly about this ONE case?

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

...and therefore nothing is going to change that.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

depends who the innocent people are.

that guy that got stabbed to death in new cross by a peckham gang last year, never made the news. he was a random person just in way

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

g, i think it's still a bit different in the uk. i still have the bbc news as my homepage, and there will be what seems like heavy national coverage of stuff that would be more like a big local/regional story in the us. the most recent one i can think of is the girl whose father burned down the house of her school rival (with occupants inside).

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse J's still got the look, who are we kidding?

― Abbott, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

but yea, if the victims are teenage girls, itll get reported

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

how come no national coverage of Big Lurch eating his girlfriend's lungs while she's still alive, huh?

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

and yeah, roger, why do feel so strongly about this one crime not getting national coverage?

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

"And where the hell do you live where 'half a dozen' rapes and mutilations take place on a regular basis with no national attention?

America"

Better get a gun or two, then, huh?

xpost to grimly - because this is one of the more heinous crimes I've ever read about in my life (and I grew up in New York City) and it seems it was eclipsed in the news, and, if for no other reason than that I live blocks away from where this took place, I want to know why.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

but what purpose would more coverage serve? the perps have all been caught and seem to be facing lengthy sentences. what else is there?

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Because The South can go to Hell, that's why.

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

i said this in the other thread but manalishi - why are you so convinced there's a media blackout of black-on-white crime? couldn't there be a media blackout on white-on-black crime that balances that out, or that completely overwhelms it? You wouldn't know tho, cuz there's a media blackout!

http://www.amazon.com/Sundown-Towns-Hidden-Dimension-American/dp/156584887X

^^^I do recommend this book tho. did you know that there are sunset towns around to this day?

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

sundown towns, rather

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

i sort of wonder about people who care about this case and their relationship to "news"

for me "news" is something i can use. postage rate hike to 41 cents = important news.

for others, it seems like "news" is an entertainment source where the fun is being shocked and outrage.

and now people are like, well here's a case which is more shocking and outrageous than the postal rate hike, why is it not getting more news.

manalishi, get a fucking life!

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a link where you can see sundown towns in your state!
http://www.uvm.edu/~jloewen/content.php?file=sundowntowns-whitemap.html

Manalishi, moving any time soon?

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

That website is preposterous. I've been to half of those places in Tennessee and they are by no means anything resembling 'sundown towns.'

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

i would take that list with a dumptruck full of salt. there are at least a couple towns on the ohio list that are predominantly black, and several that have a good racial balance.

xpost

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

hey, roger and i agree!

― lauren, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

uhh its a historic list dude, meaning they were at one time. some of them still are

xxp

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

if you click on it it tells you about status

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

WHY DIDN'T THIS CASE GET ANY COVERAGE IN THE MEDIA? IS IT BECAUSE THE VICTIM WAS etc etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case

― Hello Sunshine, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

BWAHAHAHHAHAHA!! Buffalo, NY? Rochester? YONKERS? You're joking, right?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

This one too...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

― Hello Sunshine, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://coreman.com/nucleus/media/1/20060217-twelve.jpg

― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Sundown towns. And I'M paranoid? Hahhahaaaa.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

manalishi can you fucking read?

asterisk

*Not a suspected sundown town but of interest for other reasons.

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Never understood that scene in 12 Angry Men. Was he THAT angry? Man. Dude has issues.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

buffalo*

yonkers*

*Not a suspected sundown town but of interest for other reasons.

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

sundown towns are historical fact but if you feel like denying the holocaust too now would be a good time

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Don't these fools know 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot???

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, sorry, deej, didn't catch the nebulous 'asterik' - my mistake.

What "other reasons?" Do these places - GASP! - vote Republican?? Are there many - GAWD! - MORMONS there??

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

will you believe it from the washington post?

In Oct. 2001, James W. Loewen stopped at a convenience store in the small Illinois town of Anna -- a name that, as a store clerk confirmed, stands for "Ain't No Niggers Allowed."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001715.html

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Umm, isn't the problem that your country is too fucking big for the concept of 'national news' to really make much sense unless it's celebrity or political or something? Why would people in, say, Maine care about a brutal murder in Tennessee any more than they care about one in Vancouver or Manchester?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

And a google search on "Newsom Christian" only gets half a million hits. Someone's covering things up.

― Hello Sunshine, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

interesting that some of the western ones (seattle, truckee) appeared to be sundown towns in relation to chinese inhabitants

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

My hometown!

Race:
Total Population of One Race: 3,570
White: 3,548
Black of African American: 2
American Indian and Alaska Native: 7
Asian: 8
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 3
Some Other Race: 2
Total Population of two or More Races: 23
Hispanic or Latino: In 2000, 31 persons of Hispanic origin resided in JWTOWN. This represented 0.9% of the population. An increase of 20 or 181.8% from the 1980 Hispanic population of 11.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/moussaoui_mugshot.jpg

Hi! You won't recognise me because the hated liberal media doesn't report on black people who do bad stuff, but let me tell you what I got up to over the summer!

― Hello Sunshine, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.n.com.com/i/ne/p/2006/oj_480x318.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, Catsup, whats the crime rate like? How many murders per year? Rapes? Kidnpappings? Beatings? Burglaries?

Not trying to start an argument or imply anything, just curious...

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Umm Yonkers has a long and very recent history of sidelining blacks into specific housing-project districts, to the extent that middle-class blacks have had trouble and threats getting into appropriate neighborhoods as recently as a decade or two ago.

― nabisco, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

somebody ban this piece of shit

― and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, Catsup, ~~whats the crime rate like? How many murders per year? Rapes? Kidnpappings? Beatings? Burglaries?~~ population density and average income like?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

United States v. City of Yonkers, the landmark suit filed in 1980, not only cast Yonkers as a hotbed of racial intolerance and discrimination, it also defined a generation of local leaders and the careers of the lawyers and the judge involved.

Yesterday was the long-awaited finale, as Judge Leonard B. Sand of United States District Court in Manhattan signed off on the settlement agreement that officials in Yonkers and the local N.A.A.C.P. president, Karen Edmonson, approved two weeks ago. In announcing his decision, Judge Sand formally put an end to 27 years of often hostile litigation — a battle that turned out to be so costly it almost drove Yonkers into bankruptcy.

...

In his ruling, the judge described in painstaking detail the segregationist policies that led Yonkers to concentrate most of its public housing units, 7,000 of them in all, in a one-square-mile swath in west Yonkers.

― nabisco, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Median Age: In 2000 the median age of the population was 43.5.
Population Density: The 2000 population density is 172 persons per square mile of land area.

The median income for a household in the town was $55,368, and the median income for a family was $62,750. Males had a median income of $43,199 versus $28,676 for females. The per capita income for the town was $32,513. 3.4% of the population and 3.7% of families were below the poverty line. 1.0% of those under the age of 18 and 2.4% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Most people who live in xxxx commute to work in cities such as Providence and Boston. Many houses are summer homes. The population almost doubles in the summer due to tourism.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Why ban? Because I raised a question? I don't get it.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Castup - you didn't answer my question.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Crime: The number of violent crimes recorded by the FBI in 2003 was 4. The number of murders and homicides was 0. The violent crime rate was 1.1 per 1,000 people.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

the most interesting thing to me was seeing jonesboro illinois, which is where a lincoln-douglas debate took place, was on the list of sundown towns.

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

i can't say i was surprised or anything, but i thought it was interesting

also seconding the ban of manalishi

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

banh manalishi

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

P.S. It's baffling that anyone would go through that list and think "that can't be right, there are TONS of black people in that city" -- for god's sake, cities with significant black populations are precisely the ones likely to have some history of hidden segregation policies to keep them away from everyone else!

― nabisco, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Then what exactly was teh point iof deej's original post? Can anyone tell me that before I am 'silenced' for having opinions that differ from the ILE hive mind?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

^ conservative persecution complex

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, are you seriously asking why this one murder was not widely reported?

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.murrayco.com/forum/bell_curve.jpg

― and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Sundown Town Status
Confirmed Sundown Town? Possible
Year of Greatest Interest
Was there an ordinance? Don't Know
Sign? Don't Know
Still Sundown? Don't Know

That sundown list is retarded. For example,

When Fairfield Bay high school sports teams play
teams from Cotton Plant (711 blacks out of 960 total),
state troopers escort the team buses. When Cotton
Plant teams come to Fairfield Bay, students are warned
not to leave jewelry or other valuables in their lockers.

THERE IS NO HIGH SCHOOL IN FAIRFIELD BAY. IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

is this just US end of day foolin?

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

xpost re: conservative persecution complex - Yeah, exactly. That's it. Because people call for the ban of ILXors who prefer Buckingham / Nicks era Fleetwood mac over Peter Green era all the time.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Not trying to start an argument or imply anything, just curious...

― and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Then what exactly was teh point iof deej's original post?

to make up for your shittiness by posting something interesting

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

this thread: wtf?

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

some disingeneousness going on on this thread

i think by disingeneousness, i mean racism, dont i?

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

i think you just mean 'ban manalishi'

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty much every examination in recent history suggests that, barring extenuating newsworthy factors like fame or whatever, black-on-white crimes get both more local-news attention AND harsher legal treatment than white-on-black crimes.

The only reason anyone could possibly believe this isn't so is a blind-faith insistence that there are countless black-on-white crimes occurring every moment of every day, just because, you know, of COURSE there are, that's what the world is like, how could it not be true that black people are violent criminals victimizing me and mine?

― nabisco, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

if a well known university's lacrosse team had gang raped and murdered these people, it would have gotten more coverage.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

lol ~~britishes~~americans

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pantherhouse.com/newshelton/wp-content/uploads/kkk.jpg

― and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

What's disengeneous about it, 696?

nabsico, I say again - the particulars and specifics of this particular crime seem ripe for the kind of sensationalist reporting that made such other horrific crimes as the killing of Matthew Shepard a media circus. I guess I just don't understand why these two young people are being ignored. It also hits particularly close to home because of this incident's proximity to where I live with my wife and my dog. Why must I keep repeating myself? Is this not enough reason to raise a few questions?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

[photo by Roffle]

xp

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

is this nude spock?

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Roger Adultery.

― jim, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

is this a wind up or are there real ppl in that america who fall for this bollox? i mean ppl who can spell.

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

What's disengeneous about it, 696?

nabsico, I say again - the particulars and specifics of this particular crime seem ripe for the kind of sensationalist reporting that made such other horrific crimes as the killing of Matthew Shepard a media circus. I guess I just don't understand why these two young people are being ignored. It also hits particularly close to home because of this incident's proximity to where I live with my wife and my dog. Why must I keep repeating myself? Is this not enough reason to raise a few questions?

― C0L1N B..., Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

See what happens when I say something that can't be misconstrued as 'crazy' or 'racist?' Nothing but jokes.

Oh well. Sad, really.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

do you really believe your initial post? and what do you think is the answer to it?

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

The bit i found specifically disingeneous was this

Incidentally, Catsup, whats the crime rate like? How many murders per year? Rapes? Kidnpappings? Beatings? Burglaries?

Not trying to start an argument or imply anything, just curious...

-- Manalishi, Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:04 PM

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

" I guess I just don't understand why these two young people are being ignored."

Like I said upthread, they've got at least half a million hits on google. That's not really being ignored, is it?

― Hello Sunshine, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

partly because, as jw says, its the income and density that are the defining factors re:crime, not race, as you have implied

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

In my state this week, a man stuck a baby into a microwave which caused her to have third-degree burns. It's like that urban-legend about the hippie babysitter come to life. Should anyone be upset that this horrible story isn't national? Not really.

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

What's disengeneous about it, 696?

http://www.thepalmbeachtimes.com/Pictures%20folder/Pictures/Scarecrow%201.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

it's the microwave oven lobby

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

There were 16,692 murders in the USA in 2005. How many made the front page of the NY Times?

― Hello Sunshine, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I just looked and the BAD city (Fall River,MA) near my hometown has nearly the same racial distribution.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Don Neiwert did a great series on sundown towns as part of his writing on eliminationism, involving some of the books mentioned upthread. Sundown towns were in force by the turn of the century primarily, which may explain why the divisions aren't quite so glaring today.

― kingfish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

to me, if you want to make an argument aobut what you believe is disproportionate non coverage of crime due to pc factors, then do so. make the argument,

but i found that comment to be underhanded, disingeneous, and, well, yes, racist, or at least revealing of racist thoughts

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

meaning the comment re:jws town

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

And I say all this living in a town that was horrible for its racial policies for most of the 20th century. All the black & latino people were deliberately shoved into my quadrant of the city.

― kingfish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

What can you tell me about Roger Adultry? I dont know where to put him:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4962/ilxgo2.gif

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Uhhh - It happened in January. I'm glad people are finally starting to report on it. I thought I'd do my part and bring it to the people of ILX.

I won't answer any accusations of racism, the very idea that I'm a racist is absurd, and any ILXor who knows me personally will readily attest to this. Maybe the media DID ignore this because the victims were white and not black. Maybe no one made a 'big deal' out of it because the ACLU or Al Sharpton didn't start a crusade to cry for justice. But I don't know for certain WHY, that's why I asked. You tell me.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

There were 16,692 murders in the USA in 2005. How many made the front page of the NY Times?

-- Hello Sunshine, Thursday, May 17

though this is slightly disingenious as well in a way, as most murders surely arent as lurid as this

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

There were 16,692 murders in the USA in 2005. How many made the front page of the NY Times?

-- Hello Sunshine, Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:29 PM (2 minutes ago)

This was hardly an ordinary 'murder.' Come on.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://sparky.thehold.net/pix/bell_end.jpg

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

ok, this guy is an idiot. thread puzzle solved.

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

My home town:

As of 2000, there were 10,554 people

97.64% White
0.61% African American
0.12% Native American
0.80% Asian
0.01% Pacific Islander
0.32% from other races
0.50% from two or more races.
0.79% Hispanic or Latino

― remy bean, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

I thought I'd do my part and bring it to the people of ILX.

A true Patriot.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yep.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe no one made a 'big deal' out of it because the ACLU or Al Sharpton didn't start a crusade to cry for justice.

But the perpetrators were brought to justice!

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

This was hardly an ordinary 'murder.' Come on.

-- Manalishi, Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:33 PM (54 seconds ago)

Yeah. A disproportionate number of "Ordinary" murder victims were black and poor, and they didn't make the front page of the papers either for some reason. Perhaps you could tell me what that reason was?

― Hello Sunshine, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

EXACTLY

XP

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

roger, are you actually aware that a lot of what you're saying/implying is undeniably racially offensive? or do you consider that a persecutory statement on my part? genuinely, i want to know.

― remy bean, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

wtf would the ACLU have to do with this murder case?

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah. A disproportionate number of "Ordinary" murder victims were black and poor, and they didn't make the front page of the papers either for some reason. Perhaps you could tell me what that reason was?

-- Hello Sunshine, Thursday, May 17, 2007

this is closer to it. i think this thread is kind of the wrong way round, focusing on the perpetrators. the level of reportage is usually related to the class status of the victim

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

deej - What, indeed.

remy - I guess I just don't make the connection between raising a perfectly reasonable question, one that's been raised by what has been pointed out twice as 'half a million' Googlers, and being a 'racist.' I've said nothing racist. Wanna throw me in the water and see if I float?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

I don't give a shit WHO committed this crime. It occurs to me that if the perpertartors were WHITE like the victims, we might not have heard any more about it than we did. And I'd still draw attention to it, as it happened locally. So how is THAT racist?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://aurora.wells.edu/~symposium/images/food-thought-logo.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

how much did we hear about it? I want hard numbers.

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

To be fair, his usual M.O. isn't to say racist things, it's to say things so weird and stupid that only racism could explain them. Big difference. He's like a game of racist Clue, you have to put it all together yourself.

― nabisco, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

where's blount to accuse dude of playing dodgeball

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/graphics/facts.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

Haha he'd also appear to think the whole nation should be interested in stuff because "it happened locally (to Roger)!"

― nabisco, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco: cap'n save-a-patriot

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to know why Pat Robertson or Nancy Grace haven't made mention of this awful case yet. Seems kind of strange that those two would condone black-on-white violence all of a sudden.

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

you say perpertartors, i say perpetrators, let's call the whole thing off.

― Frogman Henry, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I get it now. I'm a SECRET racist! Oooooh, those are the WORST KIND!! Damn the secret racists, with their working evey day alongside black people who they count as good friends. They're SO sneaky! It's obsessive Ornette Coleman and Richard Pryor fandom by day, secret meetings with the Klan at night! Yes, that's it. You got me.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

PP: probably busy kingmaking the republican election?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/laughingfamily_small.jpg
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/havingagoodtime.jpg
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/raisintheroof.jpg
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/ireallydontknow.jpg
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/highfive2tommy.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

you didn't just use the "some of my closest friends are black" line did you?

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

extent of my word file on roger adultery: sort of a crank, gun weirdo, got in a fight with ted leo's brother

did not see this thread coming, i mean holy shit!!

― A B C, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

i like black entertainers

― Frogman Henry, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

I knew that was going to happen.

It's really just a shame that some vindictive and belligerent people on here fear open and honest discourse so much that they have to resort to character assasination.

Is that from the Onion? That's hilarious. Where'd they get those pictures of me, anyway?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Who's Ted Leo's brother? You mena teh Native Nod guy? Or the other one? Man I love that Native Nod 7".

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Haha "I'm not racist, some of my favorite comedians and recording artists are black!"

Don't worry, Roger, I didn't call you a racist! Haha I just said you often post stuff that could be explained that way. I don't know you or what you're like, just that you're consistently outraged by the criminal behavior of non-white people and live in an internal climate of fear where you feel a need to protect yourself from them. I draw no conclusions from that.

― nabisco, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

oh, mainstream mediapaws

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

I draw no conclusions from that.

http://nightlight.typepad.com/nightlight/images/jack_webb.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2315+kantebury+drive,+knoxville,+tn&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.144864,63.896484&ie=UTF8&ll=36.001607,-83.903489&spn=0.001191,0.00195&t=k&z=19&om=1

― Steve Shasta, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't 'resorting' to anything - since not many of you know me personally, you could probably be forgiven for assuming I'm something that I'm not. But the fact is, I'm pretty senstive about accusations of racism. Gun nut? Well, I prefer the term 'enthusiast,' but okay. Cranky? Definitely. It's raining here and I have about $28.00 in the bank, so guilty as charged. Racist? No.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

i dont think theres character assasination, i just think you said some racisty stuff! im sure you're not a racist really, and like you say, anyone who knows you doesnt think you are. im just going on the words on a page that i saw, and judging those words, not your entire character

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

For what it's worth, I'm pretty much unconditionally opposed to white people torturing young couples, too, nabisco.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

and its ok for me to do that! and for you to refute it!

― 696, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

mexicans steal your job again?

xxxp

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Nice photo of my home on Google Maps. Creeeeeepy. Hey, what's the delay time on that thing? I can go out and brandish a rifle if you like!

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

Roger, you ARE aware that a person can have racist tendencies without spending his days goose-stepping and sucking Zombie Hitler's cock?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

Do you think we should have different gun control in New York City?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

It's not creepy, it's called homeland security and our government's right to know about our law-abiding citizens such as yourself. Be proud, soldier.

― Steve Shasta, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Or Manalishi or whatever xxpost

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm actually a little disappointed no one did any of the usual ILX clever photoshop shit. Like, had The Nuge out in front of my house with a machine gun or something. I don't know.

BIG HOOS I'm aware of that. I'm sure I have as many subconscious racist tendencies as much as anyone and everyone in the world. But I try very hard to live my life in a way that I do not govern myself according to knee jerk responses to things I do not understand.

Steve - it's only creepy that it was posted here and that someone knew enough about me to find my address. But I don't really give a shit, really.

Castup - gun control = does not compute

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

It's not creepy

Actually, it was creepy.

― o. nate, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Some evil fucks did an evil thing. Man is a wolf to man. The media despicably sensationalize this sort of crime all the time. So your question is "Why didn't they despicably sensationalize this specific crime too?"?

― M.V., Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

this guy : )

― RJG, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Not looking at this thread again for-e-ver.

― Abbott, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

That aerial view really does make my neighborhood look like Ruby Ridge, though, doesn't it?

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to MV - basically, yes, That IS my question.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nice photo of my home on Google Maps. Creeeeeepy. Hey, what's the delay time on that thing? I can go out and brandish a rifle if you like!

-- Manalishi, Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:00 PM

That mental image is actually pretty funny.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

The politically correct liberal drive-by media spends far too much time on missing photogenic black and latino girls. When will it be finally PC enough to cover the disappearance of photogenic white girls, too?!

― kingfish, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://blackgenocide.org/

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

ban Manalishi

― milo z, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

ban Manalishi

-- milo z, Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:14 PM (2 minutes ago)

he's just baiting everyone and its annoying

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not baiting anyone. I'm answering questions.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

(uh i was cosigning milo if that wasnt clear)

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

for surprisingly little effort manalishi reaps such rich rewards. aspiring trolls take note. Oh the injustice of life!

― Kiwi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

You just wanna continue this without me here to defend myself. Oh, the grab-assingly good fascist time it'll be then! Well I'm bored anyway. Bye

― Manalishi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ahanley/yay.jpg
yay

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

mods please replace with
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1678/yayfm3.jpg

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/thanksbighoos.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

ill photoshop HOOS

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=605333

wisconsin = most terrible local news in the world

― luriqua, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Roger ignore the hate youre as precious and useful as a ruby. Big Hoos OTOH is anyones; a hothead, an angel in the morning, a midnight special, reckless, avid, ardent ,a charm, a curse, better than E, a depressive, a white bear, a black swan and he drinks too much. Dont believe everything you read.

― Kiwi, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

except, you know.. . god i'm so wrong

― luriqua, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

Whaaaaat the. Fuck.

xpost

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I do drink too much...

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

zomg @ big hoos aka the steendriver as "an angel in the morning"

― max, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

HOOS >>>>>> E

― Tape Store, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

free big lurch :(

what could their motive have possibly been?

ill word choice hoos

― luriqua, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm staying out of the racism talk but I did chuckle a bit that manalishi lives on Kantebury Rd in Knoxville. Please tell me that's in Klark county or something...

― ianinpdx, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

:-0

BH just messin round, got no idea who u r, rubies aint all that useful etc

― Kiwi, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

its cool just cut back on the keroauc

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

Once a horse and a cat had a discussion about what happiness is.
I hear that they could not reach a conclusion.
--Kodo Sawaki Roshi

xpost

― luriqua, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j171/mdanielwalter/20070301_dimacc-staff.jpg

― Drooone, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

We should just start posting koans now.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Once I shot
an elephant
in my pajamas.

How it got
in my pajamas
I'll never know.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

Police radio traffic indicated that close to 100 people had gathered in the area after the shooting and officers were requesting a Taser.

― lfam, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x245/chromski/drj.jpg
xpost

― luriqua, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j171/mdanielwalter/Blood_pipes.jpg

― Drooone, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

One day, old Nude Spock had a vision of his next life. He immediately called in his favorite disciple, Manalishi, and begged a favor of him.

"Anything for you Nude Spock," Manalishi replied.

"In my next life, I will come back as a pig. Soon after I die, our sow will give birth and I will be the fourth pig of the litter. You will recognize me by a mark on my brow. When that happens, please take a sharp knife and end my life quickly.

Within the year, the troll passed away and the sow gave birth. The disciple sharpened his knife and found the small piglet. Suddenly the little pig screamed "Stop! Don't kill me!"

The disciple dropped his knife in surprise and stared at the little pig. "When I was like you I didn't know what a pig's life would be like. It's great. Just let me go."

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

After we came to the end of the thread, we stood talking for some time together of Manalishi's ingenious sophistry. I observed, that though we are satisfied his doctrine is not true, it is impossible to refute it. I never shall forget the alacrity with which ILX answered, striking their collective feet with mighty force against a large stone, till they rebounded from it -- "We refute it thus."

― marmotwolof, Friday, 18 May 2007 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.dougoldham.com/large/HAVE%20YOU%20HEARD-HWS%203064.jpg

― gershy, Friday, 18 May 2007 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

for what it's worth, roger, i wasn't calling you racist – i characterized what you said as, to my eyes, racially offensive. as i see it, leagues apart. never did i think that what you said was intentionally malicious or malevolent. if i had thought that your comments were willfully meanspirited then i would've called you a racist. but i didn't, so i didn't mean to mudsling.

that being said:

by subtext and implication you voiced support for a viewpoint with which i morally disagree. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt – it wasn't your intention to suggest that a black-on-white crime is (allegedly) underreported because it might paint black americans as bad, and contemporary liberal sensibilities might be challenged, oh dearie us. because in addition to being weirdly conspiratorial, that view would tacitly endorse a kipling white man's burden. and it would completely overlook the fact that most types of violent crime between non-whites are dramatically underreported. so showing a (yes, horrific) black on white tragedy merely because we feel we should provide some sort of parity for
an imaginary media bias is, in so many words, a racially charged argument. and if parity is the true goal, why don't we petition for more black-on-black violence? or how about some asian-on-latin gang shit? here's why: yellow reporting on the gory details of fucked-up criminal awfulness doesn't advance us at all as a culture, and that maybe it's a little goddamned sicko to boot.

i'm getting off topic. i'm only posting this so you don't mischaracterize my statement. i didn't mean to call you a name. i don't want you banned. i don't think that people dogpiling on you is at all necessary. but if you denigrate those who hold different views from you as cruel and uninformed idiots just because they do hold different views, you venture into common trolldom.

― remy bean, Friday, 18 May 2007 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

i think thats pretty fair. the thing that i liked the least was, by "by subtext and implication", which i always think of as underhanded. and its right from the very start, the thread title "probably not", it makes it a closed question, right from the off. i cant help think it was intended that way, its antagonistic and its baiting. and fair enough, but then to get annoyed if people take the bait you dangle? framing a question in a certain way to get people to answer in a certain way, to 'prove your point'. i'm not so into that right now

― 696, Friday, 18 May 2007 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

well, obviously i am into it a little or i wouldnt have responded to the thread;)

― 696, Friday, 18 May 2007 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

there was a big, a big hoos, they say he was a mean steen driver

thank you big hoos

he could drive a steen like you never seen

he'll rescue you from pirates

what's up big hoos

heard you drive a steen like nobody's been

we need a little help with this holy diver

baba dum a dumb BUM

― TOMBOT, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

4/10

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

fuck you

― TOMBOT, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

btw that is a 100% serious fuck you mainly because you have shown no effort to understand

― TOMBOT, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

this is important

― TOMBOT, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

explain me.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.smellypoop.com/images/photos/toilet23.jpg

― Kiwi, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

and they wonder why liberals are perceived as having lost the moral high-ground... jeez. so far i havent noticed any poster here, except manalishi, display an iota of empathy for the victims. instead we get wanton accusations of racism and the usual singsong about medias supposed penchant for blackening of blacks. true as that may be, that does not gainsay that they possibly shyed away from this story out of pc-ness. half a million google hits doesnt mean squat. which sites cover the story does. possibly adding to their unwillingsness to cover the story could be how the related pictures paint such as vivid story by themselves. its like the mere act of displaying them could spawn accusations of racism. the ravishing young white couple (the girl wearing a snow-white blouse) raped and mutilated by the predatory lowlifes of the netherworld.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Channon_Christian_accused_murderers.jpg

― Jeb, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

There was a story local to the Reading area where a young girl was brutally murdered. (rdg people will know which one)

It was not made a national story.

They swiftly got the people responsible, and they all got heavy sentences. No-one will say they got away with it, similarly no sentence will bring her back.

You can empathise with this story if you know it, and the story that is the subject of this thread.

And no, Manalishi is not the only one to have shown empathy.

― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

that Reading one made the national news mark!

― 696, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

Lol at Jeb.

never did i think that what you said was intentionally malicious or malevolent

That's pretty generous of you, Remy. The ONLY substance to Roger's "question" is the racist insinuation and how we'll all inevitably react. It's pretty sick that Roger takes advantage of an horrific crime to taunt liberals for his own roffles.

― Mark C, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's a terrible event, but it's not that interesting a story. Maybe that answers Manalishi's original query.

― Nicholas Passant, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Still, if we have to do this..

the ravishing young white couple (the girl wearing a snow-white blouse) raped and mutilated by the predatory lowlifes of the netherworld.

Snow-white blouse? (It's a white blouse - I'm not sure why it has to be snow-white). Ravishing young white couple? But no mention of the race of the alleged murderers.. No need! They're the predatory lowlifes of the netherworld - and you know what that means, right?

If you want to throw race about then just do it sincerely. Don't load equations.

ps - what is the netherworld?

― Nicholas Passant, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Snow-white blouse? (It's a white blouse - I'm not sure why it has to be snow-white). Ravishing young white couple? But no mention of the race of the alleged murderers.. No need!

they belong to the human race, obviously, but if you are alluding to the fact the picture makes any mentioning of the culprits skin-color superfluous you are quite right.

They're the predatory lowlifes of the netherworld - and you know what that means, right? If you want to throw race about then just do it sincerely.

i dont think my post was particularly suggestive. i do think that the black vs white dialectic is one of the elements that make this story stand out (statistically speaking, as black-on-black violence is far more common). however, contrary to what you seem to insinuate, thats not to say that i believe that this story says anything about blacks in general. as for the culprits being scum, i think their crimes speak for themselves.

― Jeb, Friday, 18 May 2007 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

Does this image confuse, you Jeb?

http://www.normanstux.com/tux_white_fubu.jpg

― Mark C, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

the black vs white dialectic is one of the elements that make this story stand out

Apparently not - no one reported it, remember.

What you seem to be saying is that news stories about people from different ethnic background attacking one another should be actively pushed up the schedules - above and beyond any news value the attacks might have.. But I'm not sure why. Have you just bought a new HD television? Were you a child chess champion?

― Nicholas Passant, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

Does this image confuse, you Jeb?

not in the least.

What you seem to be saying is that news stories about people from different ethnic background attacking one another should be actively pushed up the schedules - above and beyond any news value the attacks might have.. But I'm not sure why.

im not sure i would like to see stories like this covered at all. as someone pointed out earlier, the news value is zilch. this is not about my views, though, and given how sensationalist media is today, i would think that there are several elements to this story that they would find attractive from a ratings perspective. but, and this was my point, i can also see how they can view the story as too sensitive, given the grislyness of the crimes and the fact that the victims were white and the culprits were not. by the way, why do people keep bringing up the O.J. case as a counter-proof to this reasoning? thats a whole different story as he was a CELEBRITY.

― Jeb, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

OK, let's run a poll:

How many horses is Jeb riding into town on?

― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

if the perpetrators had remained at large for more than a week, this would have been a GIGANTIC national story

that's just the way these things work, when the victims are young and white and educated

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

They got the perpetrators (alleg)

It is not a story unless 1) They are at large, or 2) They get off (or receive lenient sentences) on a technicality.

Can we put this one to bed now?

― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ racist dudes trying to act like this random murder which is being purposefully spammed all over the internet by racists to make some kind of retarded racist point is just their own accidental discovery cuz theyre so full of empathy and human kindness for the victims

― and what, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

yes. And, close.

― Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ racist dudes trying to act like this random murder which is being purposefully spammed all over the internet by racists to make some kind of retarded racist point is just their own accidental discovery cuz theyre so full of empathy and human kindness for the victims

lol at the two not being incompatible. :P

*putting the story to bed*

― Jeb, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

it's a kind of awe-inspiring confluence of grief junkie-dom, racism, conspiracy theory and persecution complex, with a healthy dollop of "liberal media elites be ignorin my peeples"

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

you should picture a cat saying that last part, obviously

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

even a cursory reading of this thread should have told you that

― 696, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

That black men are a class unto themselves when it comes to homicide will not come as a surprise to most Americans. Black men are America's primary crime victims. Black men over 18 are only 4 percent of this country's population. Yet more are hospitalized for assault injuries each year than women and girls of all races combined. More black men died from homicide in 2004 alone than all the children aged 10 and under in the previous five years. Even domestic violence, which accounts for a fraction of homicides nationally, appears to have resulted in higher death rates for black men than for white women in recent years.

Nowadays, even after years of mostly falling or flat crime rates, black men still die from homicide at extraordinary rates. Black death rates from homicide in 2002 were almost six times that of whites. Black men 15 to 24 years old are most vulnerable -- some 85 per 100,000 died in 2004 from homicide, compared to a national average of six per 100,000.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/12/14/homicide/

― and what, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1644709,prtpage-1.cms

2006: 16,912 murders; 92,837 rapes

how many of these made 'national news'? how many do you think were white victims/black perpetrators, how many black/white, how many white/white or black/black? which do you think got reported more? how many of the victims can you name offhand?

― and what, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

"black men still die from homicide"

Wow, really? My mind is blown.

― Manalishi, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

thats kinda what i mean about disingenousness.

― 696, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Now, are we to assume from those statistics that these 'homocides' are being committed by white males? Or is it just you being an insufferably patronizing self righteous white guilt weenie seeking to enlighten all us without liberal arts degrees on the plight of the Endangered American Spotted Negro?

― Manalishi, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Please get over yourself.

― Manalishi, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

homocides :-D

― Alan, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Spell check is on the fritz, I guess, Dr Freud. Way to dodge the question, though.

― Manalishi, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

shut the clown down

― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

why does the ethnicity of who killed them matter, Manalishi? and i don't mean that rhetorically.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PAINFULLY STUPID PEOPLE

― HI DERE, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

xpost...in spades.
I know I'm only a black, non-American, unarmed, atheist, liberal here (and therefore probably all the the things that the originator of the thread thinks are bad -although I'm not gay, so it appears you can't have everything) but these two people had some awful, awful shit happen to them here and hence,IMO the least anyone should be bothered about is the fucking skin tone of the bastards who did this to them.

― Stone Monkey, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

i'm bored dan

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Tracer - he's giving us statistics of black homicide victims. Since this automatically makes it about ethnicity for him, I simply asked a logical question.

Stone - Black? Black is beautiful, baby. Non American? Sucks for you. Come visit. Unarmed? Hey, that's up to you. Best of luck navigating around America when you visit. Atheist? None of MY business. Liberal? Not sure what that means around here anymore. But you can still visit - most of my friends are self-described liberals. They just get the bad beer.

But I agree with you - race shouldn't even be an issue. I'm not saying it NEVER should be, but in this case, I don't think it is. But then, my question remains - why wasn't this reported back in January?

― Manalishi, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

my answer remains: the perps were caught almost immediately, is why

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Non American? Sucks for you

roffle.

Hey there's a trial going on here about some children who were horribly abused and starved by their obese parents. Did you hear about that?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Plenty of people have answered your question already, "Manalishi". You obviously didn't bother either to read or to attempt to comprehend their replies. Your arrogance and idiotic macho obnoxiousness is unbelievable. I'm locking this bullshit thread - everything that can possibly be said on the subject has already been said as far as I can see. WTF, man.

― Pashmina, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

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