ILX 2.2

Thanks very much as always -- had to login a few times, though. The two-hour limit didn't revert by accident, did it?

No, it's just been restarting a lot, which will force a relogin

Don't think so... In fact, I think I upped it. Were you on the sandbox, that can mess with yo' cookies.

Incidentally, the stats page won't work correctly until the job runs at 0030 GMT to populate it.

Searching for "EMF" works.

All is well.

Kenan, hope you like the bookmarks; Rock Hardy, hope you enjoy telling the time in an absolute fashion.

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And hope you like Unicode, Curtis.

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how do i shot display name on ILX 2.2?

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Rock Hardy, hope you enjoy telling the time in an absolute fashion.

I do! Thanks for adding the feature, esp. for making it a user pref to turn on or off.

No problem. I did a bunch of stuff to make storing users' preferences easier than it was before, so should be easier in future.

The full archive link is here btw

http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200705/error

how do i shot display name on ILX 2.2?

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-- g�▲�ұ, Friday, May 18, 2007 8:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Thanks for all the hard work.

I'm searching for EMF right now.

Stats up:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/StatsControllerServlet

bookmarks looks great and i had one working, deleted it, and now i can't get any new ones??

Are there improvements to searching in the works and/or will we ever get links to the database by month/year as in the old days?

Searching is improved. You can see by month here, too:
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Pages/viewthreadsbymonth.jsp

Alan: what does it say when you try to make new ones? (They're kept in cookies, so you can delete yr cookies to start afresh)

i get the 'please confirm', click the button and that takes me back to the list of boards. click on bookmarks link (my prefs set not to show in page) and i get the "You currently have no bookmarks set" page

Alan, can you have a look in your browser's cookies; it should set a cookie called 'bookmarks' under www.ilxor.com.

could it be a safari cookies issue?

You're right, it is Safari. Was working for me in Firefox, not Safari.

:-) x post.

i have a named 'bookmarks' cookie path /ILX and another /ILX/. that'll be doing it.

Great - losing the 8080 means I CAN'T get here via work (which is probably a blessing).

the first /ILX is empty, but the /ILX/ has stuff in it...

i manually delete the first, and bingo.

Alan,

Yeah, been here before tonight already! I'll set the path to /ILX explicitly.

and i can go round the cycle again, add, delete, and i end up with a blank cookie on /ILX, but bookmarks data is in /ILX/

hope this is all helping!

It's cool - I've fixed it.

I'll deploy it shortly.

groovy. er must catch some kip now. well done and all that!

Great - losing the 8080 means I CAN'T get here via work (which is probably a blessing).
I want to get all the 8080 URLs out of google, cos they're making the search results diverge, so it's set to force them back to here.

You might be able to get into here at http://sandbox.thehold.net/ILX/ which is pointing to real ILX for the time being.

Should be it now, Alan.

You'll need to scrub the two cookies that were sitting there, though.

seems that the frequent logout problem is back, at least for me

Err.. Hopefully, it is away again...

woohoo!

how hard is it to bring back the fun characters so my display name looks like it should?

u a lil bich grady

check yr email grady

thanks stet!

it seems that when you log back in now, you start at the top of all threads now, rather than jumping to (more or less) the last read message? does this mean i should bookmark every thread i read at the last message read?

cheers

Top posters of all time:

1. Ned Raggett (Ned) 91500
2. jaymc (jaymc) 37030

That's one hell of a lead Ned's got.

I estimate Ned has spent at least 2 continuous months of his life just typing posts on ILX.

That describes a typical summer at my workplace.

Remove unnecessary whitespace

-- Keith, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:26 (2 weeks ago) Link

{o,o}

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lol am0n otm.

love the stats

i'm having the same name issues a g?a?y.

i'd just take my old original user name (jergins) back, if that's possible. in the made rush over here the first time from the sandbox i never got the email and lost that name. hence the dumb umlaut i thing.

thanx people

Cheers lads, loving the time change!

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DISCO.

hey the funz are back.

Unicode:

http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/user/iwi/charmap.html

i could have sworn this page looked right a few minutes ago, though.

Do you mean right as in, your user ID showing up correctly?

Err, yeah, you're right...

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Yeah, character sets are getting screwed up. I don't quite follow it. It should be fine, as in the database is storing UTF-8 and that's what ILX holds in memory too, but for some reason, when it's getting re-read by the database it's not coming back as expected (Caek's broke after I stop/started ILX).

I need to look into this. For now, this isn't going to work correctly.

its working now.

lol no its not.

No, even if it looks as though it is, data's not being written to the database correctly, so when the cache gets flushed, it'll not be right. I'm looking into it.

OK, I think I have it figured. I'll just try it out on the sandbox.

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I think that should be it. I'll stop/start it again shortly to make sure it's been stored on the DB as expected.

Yup, that's looking OK now.

Am I right in saying that the database now forgets where you were in the thread when you get logged out? That's happened to me twice this morning, that on logging back in I had to find where I was.

Me too.

Aldo, no, it's just me been trying to fix stuff, been stopping and starting ILX lots... Sorry :)

i think it would be good if 'show all recent threads' (for like the whole last week) came back. ilm particularly, cos it's only got a one day attention span as is and after that it's up to the dedicated to search it out again.

also wd be cool if "load all messages" took you back to where u were before after, but that's no biggie really.

Do you mean questions? Or just that the new answers page should have more on it?

no, on new answers. (never look at questions for some reason.)

doesnt have to have more on it immediately for the sake of load times, but say a link at the bottom to show older threads for the last week or so. i'm sure that's what it used to be like?

Yeah, it was good, it was just a longer new answers page that went back further, which you could load up if you really wanted to.

Keith you are awesome for doing all this work. This stuff is so far beyond what ILX has ever had.

you have no idea how happy i am that the OMD thread is in the week's most popular.

but part of its "popularity" is down to you slagging them off!

I would like to add my signature to the list of those missing the "all updated threads" option.

Also, (and this is an even more minor thing) I miss the little yellow and red ilx logo in my address bar and browser tab.

Fixed the latter for you.

huh. I still don't see it in Firefox under windows, but as I mentioned - EXTREMELY low priority.

It might take a while for firefox to notice, but it's definitely there now -- it's working in my FF.

i love the mods tbh

oh man so drubnk I forgot lol smileys

drubnnk lol let's get drubnk!

hhah a ban me till the morining plaz

haha well played Stalin nmods!

reasons not to have admind log

#1 chanhe user msg with no cunt exceopt drunken user knowing

oh man i really need to spell and stuff if I want to make a pint

lol POINT* hello Dr Freud fancy beer etc

STOP ME!

ok den. BANNED FROM ILE FOR 3 DAYS FOR DRUNKEN DISORDERLY

Nice drunkenness Omino. Me too. Except, I'm playing it cooler. Than I was the other night anyway.

Ned Raggett (Ned) 91500
Ned Raggett 17862
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050803/050803_dog_clone_hmed_5a.widec.jpg

HEAVENS

congrats, you have created THE MOST BORING THREAD I HAVE EVER SEEN. You guys rule.

"OMG HOW BORING ARE YOU??!"

"PRETTY BORING LOL!"

"YEAH BUT I BET I'M MORE BORING!"

"I BET YOU WILL WIN, BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY BORING LOLOLOL!!!!"

Is this also the thread to make requests? Because if there's any way to hide the bracketed text on the New Answers pages, it would be appreciated. I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't care who started a thread and when it was last updated. And polls: could there be a user-preference to not display those threads? Also, has a way to remain logged in until logging out been worked out?

But yes, I do appreciate the work you guys have done thus far, and will gladly pay up next time you have to pass the collection plate around.

I've done the preference options you mention... On the sandbox: http://www.ilxor.com:8090/ILX/

Next time we upgrade you'll get them. Staying logged in forever is more tricky, but it should keep you logged in for a longer period of time than a couple of days ago, now.

Bear in mind that going to the sandbox will mess with your session cookies and log you out of the main site!

Wow, thanks Keith!

Any time...

it's so hot when you say 'whilst'

Keith, I'm trying to sort out how to get the killfile to work now that the <a href=...> post-name class doesn't contain the user id, but I am having no luck. Is it not possible, since the user id is just the text that is linked and not part of a tag?

Thanks for all the effort you continue to put toward this, btw.

this bookmarks feature is pretty badass.

wow, thanks keith. you are a one man coding machine.

phpbb

my display name shows up correctly when i'm logged out but has the blanks when i'm logged in....

??????

Staying logged in forever is more tricky, but it should keep you logged in for a longer period of time than a couple of days ago, now.

I get logged out each time I open a thread. I have to Login each time. Is this my pc or ILX? Is there anything I can do at my end to resolve this?

Hang on! It appears to have stopped doing it as soon as I posted. Odd.

The clock hasn't changed to GMT, it seems to be running an hour behind (I'm sorry for all the complaining. I do appreciate everything, honest!)

my display name shows up correctly when i'm logged out but has the blanks when i'm logged

mee too!

(i'm on safari)

Still looking into the character set thing...

Kv_nol - it's not GMT, right now, it's BST! Helps farmers work longer hours. Set your timezone to Europe/London or something.

OK, I think I've sorted the character set thing out. I think it looks OK, though I'll need to sort your display names once I make the change, to put them back to what they were.

You might want to register at the sandbox and try it out, if you're interested.

http://www.ilxor.com:8090/ILX/

I'll deploy it here when real ILX is less busy.

Aha! It worked. Thanks Keith.

hmmm

didnt work? supposed to be one of those crossed out o's like jhøshea

also i keep getting logged out

really i dont care too much tho

thx for all your hard work keith et al

I'm just stunned that there's an accurate statscock.

supposed to be one of those crossed out o's like jhøshea

Weird, that works when you type it in a message, but comes up as a question mark in your screen name for me. Maybe I need more "language packs."

Jhoshea - it's because I haven't deployed it yet. I'll not do it when ILX is busy, which usually means the weekend. It won't work until then.

oh i guess i couldve figured that out by reading the thread

Sorry about the brief interruption there... Some fixes up, including options to not show polls and hide the new answers information, also I think the final fixes for the character problems described above.

what happened to my bookmarks? I had around 5 bookmarks and then I took my laptop to the library today and when I got home and logged in again, all my bookmarks were gone. :(

re-adding them works fine, i just wanted to know what happened the first time around.

Did you delete your cookies? That would wipe them.

nope i didn't.

I don't know then. I am actually kind of regretting implementing it the way that I did (i.e. with cookies), so I might change it around at some point, which would mean that people would be able to keep their bookmarks between work/home.

That's ok, thanks anyway, Keith. It seems to be working fine now but I'll let you know if they disappear again.

oh wow, I'm glad I'm not using this "feature"

Why must you even force yourself to slum with us on this messageboard? You're such a martyr.

Does it really not occur to people that the complainants are people who like the board and the people on it but would prefer things kind of back the way they were (except with less poxy fulage). And, before you jump on me, I know that's not going to actually happen for any number of reasons, but that doesn't mean people don't have the right to go "um, why are you introducing features people didn't ask for and don't work anyway?" especially when you can't, e.g., make a longer new answers page which is something people have been grumbling about for ages.

Ailsa, it's JW. His mission is to complain until challenged. He then either calls you an aspie or starts creepily crushing on you. It is his thing.

Also his constant whining is completely fucking ridiculous at this point seeing as he does nothing to help because, as far as I can see, he lacks the ability.

Oh, right, so *no-one* gets to complain or dislike this because being a user with a problem doesn't matter unless you can actually sort it yourself? Come off it. I am very well aware that Jon has a tendency to be a dick, but he also makes some valid points from time to time.

(also, yeah, I'm not complaining because (1) it doesn't matter that much to me any more and (2) it'd just be setting myself up as a person who complains a lot, and who needs that shit when I've got Jon to do it for me?)

Ailsa, you missed my point. Everyone has a right to complain and we all do from time to time. Jon, OTOH brags that he can do something better, well then he should do it. He wants to claim ownership of Noize and all it's members, let him take that board and head off. The constant whining and sniping is irritating and counterproductive as in any valid points he makes are drowned out by his constant bitching!

but WHY should he? This whole thing started to stop Jon hacking in and fucking shit up. stet and Keith and Pashmina and TOMBOT and some others that I don't know about are the ones who decided they wanted to take the reins and sort this out. Who's to say Jon wouldn't fuck shit up from the inside given half a chance? (disclaimer: I know fuck all about how this stuff works)

Ailsa, there are other threads discussing the whole post-melt down phenomenon. At this point, this thread will all just devolve into another discussion about JW, a subject that really doesn't merit the attention given.

Yeah, I know. But, y'know, you started it :-)

I'm more amused at Onimo's drunken gibbering upthread anyway.

kv nol, I don't even know who you are so I can't even call you an aspie. I assume you're a hateful YURO-PEEN.

He wants to claim ownership of Noize and all it's members, let him take that board and head off.

I've asked for the archives several times and been ignored. I've asked if I reimplemented an HTML parser it would be ignored.

(disclaimer: I know fuck all about how this stuff works)

Maybe more people should take this disclaimer. Fuck you, stuck up bitch.

And as for the "bookmarks feature" implementing them using cookies is about the worst idea I've ever heard in my life. It is actively worse than using browser bookmarks.

Fuck you, stuck up bitch.

You DID mean that in the nicest possible way, right?

It wasn't directed at the admins or mods.

:-) *waves to Stan*

*waves back*

you wascal you.

I'm guessing it was directed at me, since it was under my quote. Cheers Jon. I do have some sympathy for your points, if not for the way you're making them. But you're not making it terribly easy for people to pay attention to you by screaming insults at people who *are* on your side (sort of, not that it's about taking sides, but I certainly don't buy into kv's theory that you have no right to complain if you can't fix it yourself)

Jon, webmail calling me a cunt much appreciated. You've won me over! JW 4 more years!

No I was being snarky to kv! Sorry!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Save_Freedom_of_Speech.png

Although I guess you may see things different from me if you live on piddling little island off the coast of europe.

And now bed!

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http://passiveaggressivenotes.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/hotpocket1shaggy.jpg
http://passiveaggressivenotes.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/hotpocketapa.jpg

You funny little man.

http://www.google.com/blah+therestofthislinkgetscutoff/needsfixing.html

All of my bookmarks were gone this morning EXCEPT the one I deleted yesterday.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0596002890.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

the individual whom stole the hotpockets

to thee individual whom stole thoust hotpocketse

s/hotpockets/hotpocketse/

hotpocketse.cx

i must admit i thought the same thing - mind permanently polluted by internets

SHOULD I DO IT? DONT WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE AWESOMENESS OF THIS THREAD IT WOULD BE COOL IF YOU COULD POLL WITHIN A POLL

-- Mr. Que, Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:32 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

seconded! you should be able to do a poll in a response not just a new question - this would be so awesome. just think of all the polling!

IS THIS POLL WORKING OUT? Y/N

http://www.koogy.clara.co.uk/photos/orly.jpg

I've gotten logged out a couple of times in the last hour. Implementing some new stuff, Keith?

Indeed.... Sorry about that...

New stylesheet.

-- Keith, Sunday, 27 May 2007 21:50 (1 week ago) Link

Demarcate threads from different days on the new answers page. Note that you're going to have to make sure you have your timezone set up correctly for this. UK people - don't be daft - the UK's timezone is not GMT; it's only GMT in Winter. Set it up to be Europe/London or something!

-- Keith, Sunday, 27 May 2007 21:51 (1 week ago) Link

New answers page for the whole site (i.e. all boards)

-- Keith, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:30 (6 days ago) Link

Batch processes that run at midnight to bump polls that are due to close in 24 hours time, to let people know that they need to vote now, if they want to. Also, to bump polls whose results are now in.

-- Keith, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:30 (6 days ago) Link

Rewrote the bookmarks functionality to not use cookies. Looks like it was causing some problems, and storing them centrally means people will be able to keep the same bookmarks between home and work.

-- Keith, Monday, 28 May 2007 22:25 (6 days ago) Link

Individual user profiles can be set up and others' profiles can be viewed by clicking their display name. Webmail is accessible from the profile screen.

-- Keith, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 18:31 (4 days ago) Link

Site-wide new questions page.

-- Keith, Saturday, 2 June 2007 17:58 (Yesterday) Link

3270 terminal emulator stylesheet.

-- Keith, Saturday, 2 June 2007 18:41 (Yesterday) Link

Addition to the new answers page to let you see threads last updated any day in the last two weeks.

-- Keith, Sunday, 3 June 2007 16:38 (Yesterday) Link

And to look at threads last updated on any given date.

-- Keith, Monday, 4 June 2007 00:07 (55 minutes ago)

The questions pages aren't doing so well with the headings to split up days! It's designed for new answers, but being re-used across all these pages (unintentionally). I'll need to sort that out.

How possible/easy would it be to add "Search for threads started by (Username)" to the search function? There's one that I can't find at all, but I know who created it.

You can do that now... I keep forgetting to document it... It does search usernames too, not just thread titles. Stick the user name in quotes - like "Rock Hardy".

If you still have trouble finding it, let me know.

Got it, thanks!

New answers page for the whole site

brilliant

3270 terminal emulator stylesheet.
Gen.i.us.

fyi: whoever made that black stylesheet - you can't see poll options when using it.

Great Work, guys.

Just wanted to say thanks - love having the New Answers page being significantly longer.

Yeah, much improved, good work, keep it up, etc :-)

yeah, for real. I'm not sure if this is evil or not, but you guys are getting damn good at it!

3270 terminal emulator stylesheet.

!!!

fyi: whoever made that black stylesheet - you can't see poll options when using it.

aye. good, innit?

(nb: wasn't me who made it, although i am going to put my new-found CSS skillz to use on an ILX stylesheet at some point. probably.)

Ban user links are appearing in polls threads for ordinary users, they don't work though

Not any more they shouldn't be... Are you sure?

gone, yes

i meant to post that earlier but just remembered now

Glad to see you tried the link to see if it would work :)

I like big new answers, gives the impression that there's bound to be something interesting.

Yes, and now I feel ripped off that there isn't!

Haha!

Perhaps you could get it to update automatically every 30 seconds, Keith, like the football scores.

It's really worth changing to the simple.css stylesheet, btw. Click Preferences in the top bar, then "I want to change how ILX looks".

Could do with some horizontal rule sin the threads and the spacing in new answers compressed a little.

I have changed mine. It is hard to choose which one is best.

3270 all the way. ILX is now so obviously not-work at my work, I think this might fool them.

Good work, chaps!

Great stuff! Could the all site new answers be a little longer, perhaps?

It's really worth changing to the simple.css stylesheet, btw.

?! It looks really ugly to me!

It will get longer... It just needs for people to add more new answers to more threads! It's the same length as all the others, but it populates itself as it goes (from having nothing in it when I started the server).

Can you do one with Goodies writing, please Keith?

And another one with Space 1999 writing?

Re: the simple stylesheet, I made it in Firefox & Safari, so maybe it looks shite in IE. Of course, you might still think it looks shite, but then that's the beauty of people and their differing opinions...

X-post

Mr. Miller, I like to believe there are jobs out there that a stylesheet like that would help to keep browsing inconspicuous!

NASA maybe.

Forest ranger?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/goodies_1.jpg

Hmm, I need a stylesheet that makes it look like code-view in Dreamweaver.

Quite the mod, Tim Brooke-Taylor.

x-post

whoa, you can all boards' new answers. . .this is crazy! (sorry if that's already been said. I was quite impressed.)

Mr. Miller, I like to believe there are jobs out there that a stylesheet like that would help to keep browsing inconspicuous!

-- Keith, Monday, June 4, 2007 9:30 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

NASA maybe.

-- Keith, Monday, June 4, 2007 9:31 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

anyplace still running apps on an as/400. which is a lot more places than you'd think.

whatever happened to that site that makes any page look like ms word? can't find the linky for that.

I was referring to the Goodies/Space 1999 stylesheet; I assume you're referring to the 3270 stylesheet. AS/400 = 5250.

Keith - thanks for letting me know re: new answers. That page is a really really good idea.

yeah, simple.css looks well spacey on IE, that 3270 one looks like a bad myspace ;)

ANYWAY, well dones keef and everyone :)

im loving the site new answers page - i propose putting it on top of all pages like: boards ile ilm site new answers

but you could just call it all or ilx or something

I assume you're referring to the 3270 stylesheet. AS/400 = 5250.

yeah, but close enough for greenscreen

ok what would be the best is if you could create you own multi board! like ile + noise + ire + ilnfl

then you dont have to read ilm see

that would just be unsafe, I mean what if I accidentally think I'm posting to an ILE thread when I'm actually posting to an IRE thread, the consequences could be astronomically disastrous

dude it is already happening see http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/SiteNewAnswersControllerServlet

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this, but what's happened to the Recent Questions page? I know a lot of people don't use it, and I've accepted it won't be moved back as the default, but it's gone really hideously ugly and confusing now. Can it not just be kept as was?

It's just a bug. I have fixed it. I will deploy it some time when it's quiet.

Thanks Keith, hope I didn't sound snarky, as you guys have done aces with the Nu-ILx overall.

It's OK... I just didn't notice because there's not enough stuff on the test site. The confusing mess that it is, is because the threads are ordered by creation date, and the code that sticks dates in between them is keyed on the time they were last updated... I'll probably promote it some time this evening.

Woot! For even more work-friendliness, I wrote a greasemonkey that takes away the GIANT New Answers: I Love Everything from the top.

Deano, I probably managed to fuck up your killfile program again. Hope not, but I think I might have made changes that could affect it... Sorry if I did.

Cheers for the simple style btw!

sorry, did someone say something? all i got was 100x 'Post by Keith deleted' 8)

seems ok, big man.

the green on black stylesheet seems to go awry when i'm typing in the Add A Comment box, it suddendly removes the right hand scroll bar and text disappears of the end.

Other than that, everythings looking fucking brilliant. Well done!

IE again perhaps? Neither the simple or the 3270 stylesheet I have checked in IE. I will do so, when I get some time.

is nu-ilx designed so that the little red x doesnt show up when image posts fail? the thing is it's impossible to tell that one hasnt shown up now.

How do you change the stylesheet?

Go into preferences and click on I Want to Change the Way ILX Looks"

Then try them all out and go back to the default one :)

haha

or wait till my black-on-black one

someone make a pink and purple comic sans css asap

I don't have a "preferences". I have a "options" (this is Firefox 2.0.0.4) but can't find where I'd need to change stuff.

On your ILX links at the top of this page:

Boards ILM New Answers New Question Logout Search FAQ Bookmarks Preferences More...

how do i get the ilxcss so as i can make pink comic sans ?

Write your own then send it to keef for upload. Or copy the current ILX one from your Internet cache and customise it then send it to keef for upload. Or get a Firefox plug in that allows you to use custom style sheets without sending them to keef.

oh im gonna send to keff alright

you get the stylesheet with all the divs marked here:
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Stylesheets/keith.css

i'm working on one - Firefox only tho probably.

thx stet

All of them, so far:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Stylesheets/simple.css
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Stylesheets/keith.css
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Stylesheets/3270.css
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Stylesheets/style.css
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/Stylesheets/black.css

Oh, and you have to keep the "Sponsored by" line at the top, and on the front page.

aye. in white on white.

No way! It's my favourite part of the site!

aye, the exit.

Haha

I like the new stylesheets. I like seeing who started a thread. I'm really enjoying seeing every new answer all at once instead of board-by-board. I was very skeptical before the adjustments were made, but now I'm seeing some definite improvement.

However,

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4694/image1meswd8.jpg

annoys the fuck out of me. Cheers!

re: blank screen after posting thing: the computer that does this for me also seems to ignore the image size limiting thing...? is there a way to turn that off? meaning, if i like big images, can i still have them?

I don't understand that - you're saying your browser ignores image size limits, but you want to know if you can have big images... Are you not saying that this is what your browser does?

As for browser-specific things, I'm afraid there's precious little I can do to change how browsers behave... Here's the highly handy Microsoft response to the IE6 blank-screen-after-posting stuff:

Phoebe_MS (Expert):
Q: On a site I manage, pages with form submissions recently have been returning "blank pages" after hitting submit using IE 6. Only seems to happen during a form submission, not a link to a URL...
A: Have you changed any of your default settings in Toos | Internet Options...?

Phoebe_MS (Expert):
Q: oops sorry - What causes these blank pages and is there a work-around either client side or server side? The common link seems to be these forms use J(ava)script submit, and since it is a "packaged product" can't really change the code...
A: Have you switched to HTTPS form submission recently?

I like how the 'answer' in both instances, is another question. The second 'answer' seems to bear little relation to the question.

Hey, since the threads keep getting locked/deleted on Mod Request, can we just get a straight answer re:the lack of admin log? If it's impossible due to coding or something, then fine. It would just be nice to know.

And srsly, this isn't a veiled attack or lack of admin trust or anything.

I don't understand that - you're saying your browser ignores image size limits, but you want to know if you can have big images... Are you not saying that this is what your browser does?

sorry for not being clear.

I access ILX from two computers.

Computer A, used 98% of the time: limited img size, no blank screen after posting.

Computer B, used 2% of the time: the opposite.

I was using computer B for a few hours yesterday and noticed this.

also, John OTM. Admin Log was a much-appreciated feature in the past, similar to other features that were absent upon ILX 2.0's unveiling but have since been brought back. Just curious.

Computer A, used 98% of the time: limited img size, no blank screen after posting.

Computer B, used 2% of the time: the opposite.

add to that: viewing this thread, flags small on computer A, normal on computer B.

It's working great for me. LOVE IT. Thanks!!!

spencer what browser u on?

Can I put an image in my profile?

http://gardenpartyradio.com/wp/images/Sleeping-Bear.jpg

am i the only one who has trouble with the search function?
the first page of results is working fine but if you click "next" for more reults it says:
"An error has occurred; please try again shortly."

No, there's a bug in search right now

thanks

lovin the white on black css, the extended new answers and the "Unread messages" sub-head

ta u lovelys

Keith, has there been tinkering since Sunday afternoon? I can still get in here at work, but at home both ILX and the Sandbox are timing out and can't connect.

Cache and cookies have been flushed, tried in both IE and Firefox.

Aldo, no... Nothing since Friday morning, and that was a tiny change. It's more likely to be something up with your ISP, I suspect.

I did have issues with them once before connecting to ILX (and only ILX) right enough, even though I could tracert the server. Hmm.

Hi dere I have a wee point re bookmarks. It's a handy feature and I use it for my regular/long/favourite threads but isn't the point of them to jump straight into a certain point and avoid loading the entire thread? Hitting the "confirm bookmark" button takes me back into the top of the bookmarked thread and loads the entire thing, which kind of defeats the purpose - not to mention taking ages on picture threads.

Bookmarking a thread means I'm finished reading that thread for the time being and will return to it later, so bookmarking should spit me out to New Answers.

Also, I see no need for a "confirm bookmark" step. If I accidentally click a link and bookmark a thread I don't want I can always delete it afterwards.

IBM, for example, notches a score of 346,742 bops with a four-socket, eight-core server running 16 software threads. That beat out the score of 217,334 bops set by a similarly configured Xeon-based ProLiant system from HP and a score of 158,174 set by an Itanium-based HP server.

YAAAAAOOOOOWWWW

WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN

IBM, however, did not do so well against lower-end x86-based systems. In fact, it still trails one-socket and two-socket Xeon-based systems from Dell even with the 4.7GHz heft.

Oh I don't actually care I just like sentences where six-digit numbers are followed by the word "bops", they make me chuckle

Bookmarking a thread means I'm finished reading that thread for the time being and will return to it later, so bookmarking should spit me out to New Answers.

That's easy enough...

Also, I see no need for a "confirm bookmark" step. If I accidentally click a link and bookmark a thread I don't want I can always delete it afterwards.

The reason that is there is to prevent comedy tricksters attempting to use subversive means to fill up your bookmarks with rubbish. It has some security stuff built into it.

It has some security stuff built into it.
Ah ok, shame to miss out on comedy trickstering* and subversion all the same. Thanks for the response Keith.

*does comedy trickstering including editing drunked onimo posts? :-)

Why, do you want some edited?

* heh no that was me, you druken foo'

I shall refrain from mentioning fascism or Stalin or 1940s jackbooted stormtroopers. I ph34r your "unaccountability"!

Anyway, I'm sober, for the time being.

xpost stet you fascist nazi etc etc nazi!

guys remember how we used to be able to post to ilx in 14ft red letters.

-- the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:10 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i was coming on here just to post the link to the youtube of christopher guest calling everyone "bastard people" and saying he was quitting his position and going home to bite his pillow but the giant type distracted me.

-- the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

14ft red letters seconded thx i am american

Brilliant. I was at home sick yesterday and was able to reach the server for about 3 hours before it started timing out again. :-(

Cannot post from lynx/links? ;_; Any other textmode nerds? Was hoping not to ILX up my local work browser.

Links says "7648596109056869822: Failed to insert message." (hope that number doesn't contain anything sensitive)
and lynx says "Alert!: HTTP/1.1 408 The time allowed for the login process has been exceeded." instantly, so it hasn't been allowing any time.

Yeah, yeah, get one 21st century browser, but I don't think I'm the only ilxor to use them, and they're not really that counter to the ILX Experience philosophy.

(I think they are up-to-datish versions but not my box so I'm not about to upgrade. Then again maybe I am just unlucky right now since I couldn't login from Opera at home on Mon)

...Sorry, I sounded a bit pissier than I intended, so, uh, thanks for all yr hard work. But does links and/or lynx access not work for anyone else, or is my setup just broken? If it could be fixed then I could slack a little less blatantly and that would be great.

so i feel it's time now that we be allowed to embed videos. what with all these youtubesque flash video sites with their made to embed video, the situation is so much more better than the bad old days of choicelessly starting quicktime/wmv movies.

also maybe it would be good when you hide admin view then images load - cause it's kind lame to not see images.

thx

errrrm ok i am getting this message when i try to post

ILX 2
7648596109056869822: Failed to insert message.

but only in firefox, works fine in opera and ie

suggestions?

I use Firefox all the time, no problems. What version of Firefox do you use?

2.0.0.4, i think thats the current one right?

i just tried it in safe mode and it works, sooooo what, it must be some sort of extension conflict? havent installed anything new for ages tho, certainly nothing since i last posted successfully.

can't think what it might be :(

test?

oh! ok nm. guess it needed a restart?

strange though.

<i>Yeah, yeah, get one 21st century browser, but I don't think I'm the only ilxor to use them, and they're not really that counter to the ILX Experience philosophy.</i>
There are three people use lynx, according to the logs. I'm one, you're another. I wonder who the third is?

It works OK for me, incidentally.

Maybe this has been mentioned, but the only thing that's bugged me is the endless login loop you can get into on a busy thread:

1. try to post
2. enter login info
3. wait, xposts
4. re-enter login info
5. more xposts while you were doing that
6. re-enter login info REALLY FAST
7. no luck
8. give up and go log in independently

Which is really not a big deal, but weird, since there's no "ignore xposts" checkbox -- it's too bad it doesn't successfully log you in the first time you enter your info, even if the post gets suspended for xposts.

apologies if it's been brought up already, but something i have kinda been wondering about is why i see the date + time twice for every post:
-- nabisco, Friday, June 29, 2007 9:11 AM (Friday, June 29, 2007 9:11 AM) Bookmark Link

i'm using the standard stylesheet.

]Yeah, yeah, get one 21st century browser, but I don't think I'm the only ilxor to use them, and they're not really that counter to the ILX Experience philosophy.</i>
There are three people use lynx, according to the logs. I'm one, you're another. I wonder who the third is?

It works OK for me, incidentally.

-- stet,

ummm if this is for my benefit - i dont know what lynx is, let alone use it? as far as i know anyway.

don't use the deodorant either. : P

apologies if it's been brought up already, but something i have kinda been wondering about is why i see the date + time twice for every post:
That's linked to the "show dates as relative" setting in preferences.

r|t|c: no, I was replyin to a passing spacecadet

i see. but perhaps if "show dates as relative" is unchecked the second, italicized timestamp should be omitted since it duplicates the first one? not a big deal to be sure.

Indeed. This is just an oversight. I'll take a look when I have some time.

Lynx works fine for me but Links gives me a 404 after I hit the Login button on the Login screen:

Apache Tomcat/5.5.20 - Error report

                                       HTTP Status 404 - /ILX/LoginControllerServlet
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   type Status report
   message /ILX/LoginControllerServlet
   description The requested resource (/ILX/LoginControllerServlet) is not available.

Wait, WHAT? I didn't post that!

HAHA oh wait sorry that was just your example, sorry

:D

I have used Lynx to access ILX, in the past. Don't think I have since ILX2 appeared.

I have a mor serious problem at the moment: I've just upgraded my home PC from Gentoo Linux 2.6.16 to Gentoo Linux 2.6.20 - and, I can't see ILX any more, no matter what browser I use.

If I do a packet capture, I can see the packets that the ILX server is sending to me. But, they get dropped somewhere in the networking layers of the kernel, and never get passed through to applications. I've tried using browsers; I've tried typing HTTP commands at port 80; and all the packets get dropped by the kernel.

I'm going to try compiling a vanilla Linux kernel to see if the problem is in the Gentoo patchset. But something has changed in Linux in the past year or so that doesn't like the packets the ILX server sends - but seems to have no problems with any servers anywhere else I use.

Internet Explorer 7 has a new interface that shows more of each webpage you visit. The streamlined toolbar makes it easier to add websites to your Favorites, search the web, clear your history, and access the other tasks and tools you use most.

Forest Pines, see this thread: Can you unblock HTTP from 65.57.245.11?

Ty Stet - I will try that next time I am on my PC

Yep - that's the issue I was having. I can access ILX fine if I disable TCP window scaling.

still getting that error message in firefox every now and then

any ideas what the issue is?

HEY WAHT ABT EMBEDDING VIDEO WOULDNT THAT BE FUN !!! :) YAY

errrrm ok i am getting this message when i try to post

ILX 2
7648596109056869822: Failed to insert message.

but only in firefox, works fine in opera and ie

This is now happening to me in Firefox as well.

We've seen that problem a couple of times, aye. A couple of people had success by nuking cookies; one guy said it went away when Firefox was started in safe mode. I wonder if there's a common FF extension that's somehow messing things up?

Forest Pines: that other problem should be fixed now.

been like this all day for me now.

if its any help i also get a blank screen on the http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/LoginControllerServlet page, altho it does seem to still log me in

so maybe that does point to a cookie issue, i dunno

yup, same thing for me. I deleted all of my ILX cookies and started again, but that didn't seem to help either. I'm going to try disabling some extensions and see what that does.

You can try starting in safe mode to safely kill them all, before trying the one-by-one:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Safe_mode

ok nuking cookies and restart didnt help

sigh shall go ahead and list all my exts

Enabled Extensions: (71)

Adblock Filterset.G Updater 0.3.1.0
Adblock Plus 0.7.5.1
Auto Copy 0.6.4
Autohide 1.1.5
autoHideStatusbar 0.3.9.6
CacheViewer 0.4.3
Cite Bite 0.0.3
Clone Window 0.2.7
ColorZilla 1.0
CoLT 2.3.0
Compact Library Extension Organizer (CLEO) 3.0
Context Search 0.4.1
Cooliris Previews 2.4
CustomizeGoogle 0.60
CuteMenus - Crystal SVG 1.9.1
del.icio.us Complete 1.3
Download Statusbar 0.9.5
ErrorZilla Mod 0.2
Fasterfox 2.0.0
FaviconizeTab 0.9.7.4
FEBE 5.0
Fission 0.8.8
Flat Bookmark Editing 0.8.1
FoxyTunes 2.9.2.1
FoxyTunes Skin - Revolution-lite 0.9.2
Gmail Manager 0.5.3
Google Notebook 1.0.0.17
Google Reader Toolkit 0.9.7
Greasemonkey 0.7.20070607.0
History Submenus 1.01
IE View Lite 1.3
Image Zoom 0.3
Launchy 4.2.0
ListZilla 0.8
Make Link 3.0.2
Menu Editor 1.2.3
NoScript 1.1.5
OpenDownload 1.0.0
OpenSearchFox 0.0.0.8
Options Menu 1.3
Organize Status Bar 0.5.2
Palette Grabber 0.3.6
Paste and Go 2 0.8
PDF Download 0.8.1
Print/Print Preview 0.4
QuickZoom 1.0.5
Resizeable Form Fields 0.2.1
Restarter 1.0
Resurrect Pages 1.0.8
SafeHistory 0.8
Searchbar Autosizer 1.3.7
Signature 0.4.0.4.200610221528
SmoothWheel 0.44.9.20061102
Snapper 1.3
Stop-or-Reload Button 0.2.2
Stylish 0.5.2
Tab Effect 1.1
Tab Preview 0.3
Tabs Open Relative 0.3.0.1
Talkback 2.0.0.4
Tiny Menu 1.4.4
TrackMeNot 0.5.15
UI Tweaker (Formerly Toolbar Cleanup) 1.7.0
Update Notifier 0.1.5.3
URL Fixer 1.3.1
VideoDownloader 1.1.1
View Source Chart 2.6
Web Developer 1.1.4
WebmailCompose 0.6.5
Winestripe 1.2.2
Word Count 0.4

lol

Jesus!

Hey one of the ones I just disabled did the trick!

Hang on, I'll get the list

Currently disabled:

Dictionary Tooltip 1.1.2
Master Password Timeout 0.2.5
Slashdotter 1.8.9
Stealther 0.99
TrackMeNot 0.5.15
User Agent Switcher 0.6.10
Woot Watcher 0.5

I'm thinking it's TrackMeNot

Forest Pines: that other problem should be fixed now.

It is - and the site feels much faster now, too! Hurrah!

It'll be stealther. If it interferes with your referrer, it'll stop the code that checks you're trying to post from an ILX domain. I disabled that a while back, because it kept turning itself off and on seemingly randomly.

er "that" == Stealther.

test

test

Nope, it's TrackMeNot!

Coo ur. Well there you are. I'll update the FAQ later.

and it is indeed trackmenot. (cos i dont have stealther)

KUDOS GOOD SIR

Thanks guys.

Haha! "Track me not"!.. Yes, that will fuck it up properly. ILX checks your referrer to see if you're coming from one of the three legal URLs.

Top one, Keith!

Are the Sandbox threads not integrated with all the others? I was futilely searching for a thread until I realized it was on the Sandbox, and found it there instead.

keith knows how to make a ddos less trivial!

I will give props in tallinn next week

No they're not, but I spent a very pleasant couple of hours trawling through all threads there (I was trying to find the ILX reaction to Catherine Tate in Doctor Who the first time round). Seconded for any request to move them over here (I can't remember if that was possible or not)

Hah, that's exactly what I was looking for too.

YES ME TOO LINK?

http://www.ilxor.com:8090/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=141&threadid=721

(looking at it logs you out of here though, bah)

thanks!

BYEEEE

can we get back all date-related searches ordered by board then date? searching for all threads last changed on a given day or started in a given month brings back results for all boards which is too much information (have to filter out the 90% of boards you know are wrong)

We REALLY REALLY need changeable screen names back. I don't care what it takes, or even if it's not possible, but we need it anyway.

-- Rock Hardy, Friday, August 3, 2007 3:33 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

OTM it is a beautiful and special thing

-- rrrobyn, Friday, August 3, 2007 4:26 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

as soon as we have changeable screen names mine will be "i dont feel tardy"

-- roxymuzak, Friday, August 3, 2007 4:35 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

rock tardy

-- Curt1s Stephens, Friday, August 3, 2007 5:12 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I'm thinking about going with Rough Guide to Smooth Jazz

-- Hurting 2, Friday, August 3, 2007 5:13 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Mods and admins, remind me again about changeable screen names. Is it impossible, or just difficult? It's the best feature of old-ILX that we don't have anymore. Bring it back!

I think the thing is that it eats up a lot of data

er, the data involved eat up a lot of server space, that is

so many punchlines are lost by having the registered name instead of the joke email showing on old threads

guys, we have auto-jagger googleproofing, let's cut some slack

wait do we really

Type his name and see what happens.

Ned this is the week of walloginas.jpeg.

I trust no one.

MODS PLEASE GOOGLEPROOF L0u1s J@gger BY USING WALLOGINAS

Check out a recent build and STFU already.

Can we have the "later" link back, so we can leave a thread without finishing it and still come back to where we left off?

And can we have the random button back please?

i would like a cornetto.

http://in2webho.i38.in2webhosting.net/moononastick/imgs/page_elements/finance/moon_on_a_stick.jpg

mmm, sticky moon...

Another request: since I usually check out ILX first thing I do when I get up (such is the responsibilities of a board mod) and before I go to work, I demand a button that makes me a nice cup of tea (black with two sugars).

Can we have the "later" link back, so we can leave a thread without finishing it and still come back to where we left off?

the bookmarks are a decent enough replacement for that, surely?

doesn't it jump to the last post you loaded when you click back on the thread anyway (as long as you're already logged in)?

What are the chances of the RSS feed for new answers coming back?

Jagger Louis

Jew is lagger

Revive! I'm still having this problem w the "7648596109056869822: Failed To Insert Message" bug. I'm getting this in Firefox 2 and 3 and IE. The above-suggestion about nuking cookies didn't work.

Has anyone else figured this out?

That's it checking the referrer and finding that when you post a message, that the post request doesn't come from www.ilxor.com. Are you coming in from a different URL?

Posting from another site you mean? No. Just ilxor.com. At home, this works on my Mac -- but not on my XP machine.

Well, it would fail if the request looks as though it doesn't come from there. I dunno about all these browser plugins you can get that do funny stuff, or something that might actually remove the referer HTTP header before you post (some sort of super-paranoid security plugin, perhaps) that would cause this problem.

All I have is Foxmarks and adblock -- and turning them off does nothing...

Again, I also get this problem on IE, so I wonder what's going on...

Wonder if his ISP is rewriting refers which would be mental. Also this -- http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/switzerland

Wouldn't expect so if the Mac is working and it's using the same ISP.

NTI, I can't really say much more on the grounds that I've no idea what's going on, on your computer. Maybe your firewall does something perhaps? It doesn't seem browser specific, but it is only happening on Windows, so that might be a guess. Try turning the firewall off for a bit and have a go.

Other than that, I don't know. Literally, all it does, is look for an HTTP header called "referer" and throws that error if it doesn't find it, or finds it and it's set to something other than www.ilxor.com, to reduce the likelihood of submissions of forms from anywhere.

Whatever's happening on your machine is either removing, or changing what's in that header, but I've no idea why or how.

GET RID OF TRACKMENOT

What does that mean, Tom?

We're going to have animated avatars, I just know it.

Tom wants him uninstall the bugmenot extension

I just looked at RetailMeNot and it actually looks like it doesn't call out remotely -- it keeps a copy of the site's db locally.

lol Keith you have to reach back in your memories
or click on the red bar and ctrl+f "referrer" etc

Let's see if this works...

Yay -- it was the Symantec firewall.

Wow, so it must've been stripping out the referer. What a cheeky monkey.

Is it an SGS?

For future reference:

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ent-security.nsf/docid/2002072516260948

While we're at it, I've noticed this bug in ILX: when I accidentally mistype the BBcode, the site is nice enough to tell me I've mistyped the code, and gives me the chance to correct it. But when I do that and try to repost what I've written, I always get an error message and the post doesn't go through, even though the BBcode is now corrected. This happens with both IE and Firefox.

The error message is like this:

HTTP Status 403 - Access to the requested resource has been denied

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

type Status report

message Access to the requested resource has been denied

description Access to the specified resource (Access to the requested resource has been denied) has been forbidden.

yeah i get that a lot as wel

Thirded

Anyway, great stuff keith, thanks!

This is a bug. It may be fixed some time.

Nice to meet you on Sunday, Tracer. Sorry I didn't get more of a chance to chat. I stupidly thought that it would get quieter, later! Some other time.

Only recently noticed the tidy little AJAX. It's so subtle! Awesome!

Yeah, I looked around for you but it was kinda.. crazy.

Yeah, it was a great laugh. Saw loads of people I haven't seen for ages.

Fields of salmon... Waht? There is no AJAX... This site is guaranteed pure Windows 3.1 shit.

Enh? But now when you post a comment it doesn't redraw the entire page! How does that work.

It does... It just does it really quickly!

Waht? There is no AJAX... This site is guaranteed pure Windows 3.1 shit.
Ahem "convert simple HTML to BBcode" cough cough we up to date with all modern techniques and that

That's more like SJA, but yes, it is certainly Javascript.

Though Javascript's really up there with Windows 3.1 shit I suppose.

Sorry if this isn't the right thread for this, but if I look at this poll thread:
PIXIES Poll: The best track on Trompe le Monde
with images turned off in my ILX preferences, the first post just appears like this:

http://i36.tinypic.com/280tvua.jpg, Monday, 15 December 2008 01:55 (3 days ago) Bookmark

all on one line, so the text before the image, the poll options list and the post attribution have all disappeared. Thought I'd raise it here in case any other polls-with-images are also broken.

(Also I was logged out when I first clicked on an option to vote, and after the login page I got some kind of error message which I've now lost which basically told me there was an unspecified error and try again in a minute, but I don't know if this is related or if I did something else wrong. Might've typed my password wrong, I often type my old ILX password in by mistake still)

(PS I'm using a slightly old version of Opera on XP, if that's of any relevance, but I've viewed source and the missing stuff really is missing, not just been eaten by an unclosed tag or anything)

It's the same with me: I have images turned of, and the first post is totally invisible, I see only the same thing as Spacecadet. I'm at work, so I'm using IE.

These polls both have images in the starting thread and still work for me with Show Images off, so I've no idea what the problem with the Pixies one is.

everybody has their own opinion: the jane's addiction NOTHING'S SHOCKING poll
jay reatard matador singles '08

Can't find anything else of the form [internal ILX link, text, image, poll] like the Pixies poll yet so maybe it's something about that combination which does it.

I'd suggest starting a thread on the mod request forum or something about this.

Will do, thanks. Wasn't sure if it was just "please edit this, thanks" requests there but now I see there are some other code/bug-related queries too.