fuck these pro-life dudes i have to walk past every day

http://www.prolifeunity.com/index.php/georgia

thou shalt not park here

i cant believe what a waste of time & effort this is... if they really cared about the well-being of helpless kids (i dont think they do) couldnt they spend their 10 hours a day volunteering at a foster home or something instead of standing around on the sidewalk annoying people

I'm a little less worried than I am about Stormfront :O

those big signs with the sloppy joes on them

bravo

"pray here" lololololololol

http://users.qconline.com/~myrnajoy/images/sloppy_joe.jpg
WOMBICIDE IS DELICIOUS

apparently the guy who runs a "jew watch" website lives like 10 miles from me. I kind of want to camp on his front lawn so he can watch me do stuff. or maybe I should send him pictures of me like doing laundry, eating cereal, driving to work, sharpening my horns, etc.

i have become resigned to the idea that the world will always contain maudlin crazies who attach themselves to ideas like this. these people have always existed and they always will exist. i believe this type of activity has got almost nothing to do with actually helping disadvantaged children and everything to do with alternately assuaging and feeding some weird, keening martyrdom that they have convinced themselves is their birthright. in a time of war these people would probably actually be doing something useful, like nursing.

uh this is a time of war

I think the only person who's personally pro-life who's ever given a shit about poor women and poor children is Jimmy Carter. I doubt any of these people would be inclined to nursing under any circumstances.

also, bnw, plz do that! wtf is a Jew watch?

keeping tabs on the Elders of Zion

http://www.google.com/explanation.html

If you recently used Google to search for the word "Jew," you may have seen results that were very disturbing.

We apologize for the upsetting nature of the experience you had using Google and appreciate your taking the time to inform us about it.

If you recently used Google to search for the word "tubgirl," you may have seen results that were very disturbing.

If you recently used Google to search for the word "somanyshrimp.com" you may have seen results that were very boring.

If you recently used Google to search for the word "Jew," you may have seen results that were very disturbing = Gary Shandling?

OSNAP

okay that's a gigantic "OH GOD NO" to somanyshrimp.com

yeah horseshoe maybe you're right. what i mean is that this kind of blind fervor of righteousness can be channelled into a lot of different things, some of them not so bad. like people who faithfully attend candlelight vigils for death row inmates. it's just weird how many of these people are just STUCK on abortion, stuck in this loop, this energy not getting channelled into anything else.

I know what you mean, Tracer, and it's a generous thought on your part, but I think rabid pro-lifers are just different in kind than run of the mill zealots (partially because of how they view women). but I hates them, so I'm biased.

yeah theres no real way to explain the idea that you care deeply about children dying with your response to being to yell at poor women & try to stop them from going to a doctor instead of helping the thousands & thousands of actual children who die in america every day

they live in a sick society and no one can see it but them

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1545000/images/_1546705_atta_afp150.jpg

http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/P__P__timothy-mcveigh.jpg

or I guess maybe the difference between zealots and zealots is some kind of investment in the social world as it is? like it seems unlikely to me that you end up nursing unless you feel connected in some way to other people.

and that connectedness isn't contingent on them being rightminded about whatever your pet issue is.

or on not being dirty whores, i.e. women.

they feel very connected to their own tribe of believers, though, i imagine? but yeah outside that, all is compromised, all is fallen.

xpost haha yes that just made my post redundant

some serious mysogny goin on in anti-abortion zealotry

i feel like that wacko group who protests at soldier funerals are a fitting end-point for these people, where the message has become so distorted and fucked up that its totally secondary to the freakshow.

someone posted a good article about those people...

some serious mysogny goin on in anti-abortion zealotry
Every time I see these people they are all men, which doesn't make for a very convincing case.

http://www.iamemilyx.blogspot.com/

they are just god-fearing, christ-loving men who want to save your womb from its wayward path and make sure you get married and turn out babies like you're supposed to

"pro-life" is the logic of cancer, basically

Did you see Lake of Fire, e-Fun?

The only time I enjoy "Hen Fap" is imagining protesting the protesters with "We Want Hen Fap" sign. Only the absurd could make this laughable.

somewhat related: there was a bunch of stuff on metafilter about Francis Schaeffer today, who is at least more interesting then the obvious targets we quickly pile-on.

If you recently used Google to search for the word "somanyshrimp.com" you may have seen results that were very boring.

-- and what, Monday, October 29, 2007 12:36 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

if reading about serg's friends and random youtube links is boring i dont want to be interesting

as for a serious answer in my experience there are lots of women protesting this stuff too. doesnt keep it from being misogynist obv but i dont think we should distort the fact that this movement has broad support

lol 'broad support' double meaning

HAHAHAHA

There are lots of LITTLE KID supporters too. Holding signs at surely their parents' order & shit. Poor fucking kids, that is tantamount to fabric-shopping torture.

I escort at Planned Parenthood and I get so furious at the protesters because they could be do so many POSITIVE things - volunteering at a soup kitchen, crocheting bandages for leper colonies, cleaning up a highway anything - but instead they are standing in a little clot outside of a fucking HEALTH CLINIC yelling "THEY KILL BABIES IN THERE" at women who are, most likely, going inside to have a CANCER SCREENING. And then they have the nerve to say that they are there because they care about women's health.

OMG

yelling at women outside a clinic that abortion is bad for the psyche of women is srsly the most amazing piece of circular logic since those anti-drug ads that explained that smoking weed is illegal because it can ruin your life and the way it will ruin your life is because we will lock you up for smoking it

Some people just like yelling, and this subset isn't into seeing WWE live, perhaps? Seriously some people just like yelling and being enraged.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dCV5G-ZTc14

xp That's why I post to ILX.

Get some Janov, fules! It lead to some totally decent Tears for Fears songs.

I just log on to my checking account for that, lately

I like yelling, too, but damn people take it to a sporting event or something, not a health clinic.

Also, the last time I escorted there were a group of about 20-25 churchies singing and praying out loud (actually said a prayer asking the Lord for protection from wizards and I am not making that up). They had those boxes of Dunkin Donuts coffee that they were sharing around. A homeless lady scuffed up to me and asked me for food or coffee for the homeless and I was feeling pretty evil at that point so I said I didn't have anything, but that they had coffee in that group over there and she shuffled over and the protesters TURNED THEIR BACKS on the homeless woman and refused to even acknowledge her, much less share their coffee with her.

yeah the street these dudes protest on usually has about 3-4 homeless dudes sleeping under awnings that the pro-lifers totally ignore

HAAAAAAATE!!!

They've been convicted of assholism.

The worst for me personally is the abuse that gets heaped on me and the other escorts when we do our job (quietly insert ourselves between the patients and the protesters and offer to walk them to the door - speaking to/touching/acknowledging/interacting with the protesters in any way is strictly verboten, we just have to ignore them completely) and then spend the next half hour standing there while people yell that we're going to HELL and that KILLING BABIES IS AGAINST GOD'S LAW.

those donuts were for JESUS

x-post

I used to live four blocks from there but don't remember those nutjobs. Then again, when I was out walking I was usually dodging hookers and stepping over drunks.

You guys think I should go to the $350 doula school I learned about today? It's NPO and I don't think I'd get paid but it seems appealing.

lol for real don?? where'd you live at?

ive seen them on & off maybe every couple weeks since i've lived here but its only the past month during their '40 days of life' bullshit they really ramped up the daily shit

Although to be fair, most of the time the protesters are calmly standing the statutorily required distance from the door praying quietly to themselves. There are a few known insane people who get very vocal and horrible and aggressive that make the job very stressful, and the last time I went was particularly hard because the group of people was just so huge. Also I was by myself, so the aggressive crazies were like super duper aggressive because they knew I couldn't stop them alone. Also because of the clinic that opened in Aurora, the compulsory pregnancy advocates started this 40 day vigil in which totally nutso crazypants people come out all day every day from 7 am until 7 pm for 40 days and we're in the middle of that. Otherwise, they just come on Saturday mornings. Heh.

fuck yeah I lived down on 14th by the park, but that was before Y2K. I saw hookers all the time on Peachtree and 12th before they built the Fed Reserve there.

Pro-life nutjobs are way worse.

so this 40 days of life thing is nationwide? ugh.

man whores are still up & down 8th st, you gotta go down to north ave almost to catch a female escort

most crackhouse shit has been gentrified out of midtown but they can never take out shirtless dudes getting into random bmws

All the churches (well, many) in Boise for a while had these fields of tiny baby-sized gravemarking crosses all over their yards. I really wanted to get a photo of myself digging one up, no coffin to be found, and subtitle it, "Did 30 million really die?" OTOH I don't know that I'm that big an asshole and I didn't want to get my ass kicked that bad.

'what you need, daddy? what you lookin for?'

EXACTLY. The phrase that pays.

Yeah, nationwide. Blech.

I also used to live on 9th street and that was colorful. that's where I got mugged at knifepoint.

Q: Why do i even read threads like this anymore, same old shit getting me riled up

A: Seriously some people just like yelling and being enraged.

-- Abbott, Monday, October 29, 2007 2:13 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

having only run into these nuts in person once (on campus, in Montana), i tend to forget how much blood squirts from my eyes when i read about their antics

after the agitation and revenge fantasies i get a little surge of moral superiority, immediately followed by a levelling sensation of disappointment and despair when i realize that these assholes are still dictating the rules and topics of national discourse

eh, not really

^^^disappointingly OTM

guh xpost

They are the kind of irritant that, if lodged next to an oyster's gonads, would probably cause the oyster to coat it in pearl until the pearl was as big as a racquetball. It's that irritating!

I'd like to lodge an irritant next to THEIR gonads etc.

Hello! "Help me I have an irritating particle next to my gonads and I cannot coat it in mother of pearl."

the *shrug* yeah, they're jerks but at least everyone KNOWS they're clinically crazy jerks argument used to work for me, but now i think that the only people that really believe that have never met the generally reasonable, modestly devout and politically unengaged dudes that vote pro-life (and pro-conservative) anyway because they feel good about it in a vaguely moral way, not because they have any interest in engaging with the issue itself in a meaningful way

it's like the boring middle-american version of limousine liberals

xps

actually it's more like the centrist voters that are pro-life, in general, but have at least an understanding of why making abortion illegal is monstrous and just a terrible idea in a very pragmatic way

i am basically just talking to myself guys, sorry

Speaking of the misogyny angle, there was a study just out comparing countries with legal abortion and countries in which abortion was entirely prohibited and there was no difference in the number of actual abortions sought. The big difference was in the number of women who died as a result of seeking abortions. So basically, making abortion illegal does not save babies but it does kill women.

NOT KILLING WOMEN IS AGAINST GOD'S LAW

Which is also why compulsory pregnancy advcoates' "we care about your health" claims makes my blood pressure skyrocket.

these assholes are still dictating the rules and topics of national discourse

-- gbx, Monday, October 29, 2007 2:35 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Shakey: is this what you were not really-ing? i mean, they're not completely dictating nat'l discourse, granted, but that the mere practice of abortion is even an issue that merits nat'l debate is a little weird to me*.

* "the practice" ---> that abortions EVER even happen legally or otherwise. i'm not trying to diminish the importance of the social issues surrounding the debate.

calling for the outright abolition of abortion is just an irrational stagger away from recommending christian scientist treatment for all illness and injury

that THAT is even debatable is bewildering to me, and testament to the ability of pro-lifers to steer the nat'l conversation into UH territory

u just hate christian science cuz it puts you out of a job!!!

It's all about framing. Whichever side frames the issue gets to dictate the terms of the debate. That's why abortion discussions always revolve around when life begins, instead of women's health - we got kind of suckered into addressing the "baby killing" aspect of abortion, which is unwinnable.

> fuck these pro-life dudes

Not with your pussy.

What's the joke? Like "Who should be able to get an abortion? 1. Women who are victims of rape and incest. 2. Women whose lives would be endangered by the birth. 3. Me."

xp - Because you'll have to keep the baby as punishment for the mortal sin of fucking.

Abbott! I have not seen it but a good friend who also escorts says that she has seen women who had protested in the past bring their daughters in for abortions.

Aw man Jesus Christ oh man well it has to happen I guess. Aren't most Planned Parenthoods like, I'd imagine, primarily handing out birth control? Do these customers get yelled at too?

I think EVERYONE gets yelled at? It's not REALLY about killing babies, of course, it's about controlling access to sex & reproductive capacity. Duh. Birth control is just as damning.

Planned Parenthood is like the A #1 provider of affordable health care to women (I don't have a source for that; I am just guessing because they are often the ONLY provider of affordable health care for women). The majority of women are there for bc or routine paps or what have you. They all get yelled at. If I had to guess, I would say that the protesters are either woefully ill-informed (obv) or they figure that any patronage of PP is in essence in support of baby killing. So they sometimes just yell "DID YOU KNOW THEY KILL BABIES IN THERE???"

Laurel OTM

"DID YOU KNOW WOMEN CAN GET AFFORDABLE CERVICAL CHANCER SCREENINGS IN THERE? I'M WAVING A SIGN HERE!"

That blog I linked earlier points out that protesters are found outside of Planned Parenthoods that don't provide abortion services. Either they're idiots or it's not really just about abortion, like Laurel said.

Compulsory pregnancy as:

1. punishment
2. mechanism of control

Abbott, plz come wave sign next time I escort.

Cervical chancres: better or worse than cancer?

Jenny: exactly (xp to upthread)

doubly irritating is that part of the moral outrage around abortion isn't just about baby killing, but it's about at least in a secondary way the "type of behavior" pro-lifers see as driving younger women into having abortions. unfortunately, getting rid of abortion entirely will do nothing to address the social issues that conservatives see as producing women in situations that may produce a higher rate of abortion. if abortion is accepted as a necessary component of women's health, then increased abortion rates in certain populations can more readily be seen as data that may prove to correlate with other social indicators that have long since been accepted as "just the facts/way it is" variables (like income or homicide rate or births/deaths or incidence of diabetes blah blah blah). if you're going to accept high or inflating abortion rates as generally being negative (like, no one thinks abortions are awesome), then wouldn't you want to know why?? esp if you are a social conservative that wants to fix everyone?

j/k being interested in facts mean embracing complexity, n/m fundies, keep praying

I've never, ever been to a Planned Parenthood that gave out gogortions. Out of the 4 I've been to, for BC.

these assholes are still dictating the rules and topics of national discourse

-- gbx, Monday, October 29, 2007 2:35 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Shakey: is this what you were not really-ing?

yeah, just seemed worder a little strong. I think they have a pet issue that is trotted out and exploited for political gain by their more savvy centrist compatriots at each election cycle and that's about the extent of it.

anyway many x-posts and Laurel OTM

That blog I linked earlier points out that protesters are found outside of Planned Parenthoods that don't provide abortion services. Either they're idiots or it's not really just about abortion, like Laurel said.

This was the case in my hometown. Also, the people protesting it weren't from town or even from the same state. They're idiots all right.

worder = worded

x-post

PAP SMEARS
DONE HERE
NOT KILLING BABIES
OBEE-KAYBEE?

The sign I'll wave for yas Jenny

(Will have like 24 pt font addendum noting some stats on why abortions are not an evil)

and yes it isn't really about "killing babies", at its root its about being against sexual pleasure.

See also: pregnancy used as a method of control in abusive relationships b/c abusive partners know that women who are burdened with children/health issues associated with pregnancy aren't going anywhere. You sometimes see this played out in front of the clinic. This is when I want to push protesters into traffic.

CURETTAGE OF MEIOTIC CELLS
NOT EQUALS TRIP TO HELL

D&C
COOL WITH ME

Abbott you should mention something about how 87 women have died in Nicaragua due to self-performed/unsafe abortions since they passed a ban on ALL ABORTIONS FOR ANY REASON this year.

oh jesus Jenny. how completely awful.

xpost

D&C
COOL WITH ME

kind of sounds like a rewriting of "We didn't star the fire" is in order...

The PP where I escort actually does kill babies inside, though.

xp HAHAHA @ D&C COOL WITH ME

and at Billy Joel

ok I actually can't get behind anything involving "We Didn't Start the Fire"

SELF-ABORTIONS KILL THE MOST
IT'S NOT LIKE WE SPREAD BABIES ON TOAST

D&C
COOL WITH ME
WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO SEE?

We didn't kill the babies!
la la la la la la
but we tried to something

NICARAGUAN WOMEN DIED
QUIT HOLDING YOUR STUPID SIGNS

I remember when South Dakota passed its ban on abortion I got all fired up and planned to learn how to do a D&C so I could, I don't know, travel to South Dakota and perform them as necessary? I never did. but I should.

Meoitic cells aren't babies,
But your dumb protesting
Is unrelenting!

We didn't pass the laws,
But your argument
Has tons of flaws!

Doesn't some birth control sometimes cause a miscarriage in the first days of pregnancy essentially?

however, before ^^^ gets misconstrued: when I say that an uptick in abortions is generally negative, i mean that in an epidemiological sense. not like oh noes so many dead babies but: wait is this uptick correlated to a (positive) rise in women feeling less stigmatized by abortion, and yay they're in control of their bodies (good!) or is it because girls are getting pregnant young and poor and uninformed about birth control and/or their rights as a sexual being

many xposts now

HS, you would be acting in line with tradition if you did - http://www.fwhc.org/jane.htm

Abbott, you should write progressive slogans for a living.

i think that's "plan B", Jon, which is the most terribly nicknamed pharmaceutical i have ever heard of

"plan b" = "oops i got preggers lol!" = casual sex is BAD!

THIS HERE SLOGAN IS MY JOB
YOUR PROTESTING IS MACABRE

ilu Abbott!

A couple weeks ago I read about a woman who invented a DIY suction abortion, before suction abortions were being performed in hospitals, and started the first family planning clinic in California. It was pretty awesome. Maybe related to what Jenny just posted?

Doesn't some birth control sometimes cause a miscarriage in the first days of pregnancy essentially?

Well, some birth control can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall, but I dunno if that really counts as a miscarriage. Plan B just gives you a huge dose of birth control and functions essentially the same way as birth control, so same thing applies. They are NOT the same thing as a medication-induced abortion.

i think that's "plan B", Jon, which is the most terribly nicknamed pharmaceutical i have ever heard of

"plan b" = "oops i got preggers lol!" = casual sex is BAD!

-- gbx, Monday, October 29, 2007 4:19 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookm

right, but i thought that SOMETIMES this happens with regular abortions

Yeah, not to get too academic/dorky and gross everyone out, but it's about women's, admittedly totally freaky if you think about it, power to generate life. Not spontaneously DUH but without much time or effort on a man's part, tbh. The kind of men who find that intolerable are finding a natural evolutionary thing (OR FROM THEIR STANDPOINT, THE CREATED ORDER) intolerable so they have to hem and hedge reproduction, and therefore women, in so tightly with rules that it comes back under their control all out of proportion to their biological (CREATED) role.

I mean, when you've been holding someone down for so long that most of them have lost even the weakest folk tradition of control/agency over their own sexuality/autonomy/reproductive capacity, and then they start getting it BACK, you BETTER be afraid. As you sow, motherfuckers.

xp gbx, lots of bc works that way, I think? It's always referred to as "prevents implantation of fertilized egg" blah blah.

As you sow, motherfuckers.

Want on shirt.

I saw this a while ago and thought it was kind of interesting:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo

Asking anti-abortionists what the punishment should be if abortion was illegal. It's like they hadn't thought about that part yet.

I mean, when you've been holding someone down for so long that most of them have lost even the weakest folk tradition of control/agency over their own sexuality/autonomy/reproductive capacity, and then they start getting it BACK, you BETTER be afraid. As you sow, motherfuckers.

i've always been fond of the conservative nightmare of LESBIANS THAT DON'T NEED MEN WILL GRADUALLY FORCE OUR EXTINCTION AND FORGE A MANLESS DISTOPIA. it's like a rightwing nutcase version of a sexually apocalyptic gattaca but with hott girl-on-girl action plus maybe spaceships or some other high technology

nightmare for conservatives, daydream fantasy for me

wau @ joygoat

DYKES!
IN!
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEEEEEEEEE!

HAVING ABORTIONS ON EVERY PLANET IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM

I have a sci-fi book that is SO that, Evan.

I'm guessing 98% of the action in a "lesbians who don't need men" dystopia would really NOT be that hot to guys, guys

I have a sci-fi book that is SO that, Evan.

I think its a Tek Jansen Adventure

Real life not actually like porn shocka

w/r/t how bc works laurel: i would expect most of you to understand this waaaaay more than i do, but yeah, at least a few forms of bc involve inducing the uterine lining into sloughing (couldn't think of a better word lol it's an avalanche!), taking the fertilized-or-not egg with it. since this is naturally controlled by the interactions of certain hormone levels, lots of bc involves artificially controlling hormone levels, which has all sorts of other side effects

Dept of telling you stuff you already know dept.

I'm guessing 98% of the action in a "lesbians who don't need men" dystopia would really NOT be that hot to guys, guys

its not the lesbian part thats hot, its the space part

I'm guessing 98% of the action in a "lesbians who don't need men" dystopia would really NOT be that hot to guys, guys

-- nabisco, Monday, October 29, 2007 3:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

cf story my mom told me about a few of her pals, a donor and a turkey baster

o_O

i would expect most of you to understand this waaaaay more than i do

You'll never be a doctor with that kind of attitude, mister.

xp but it would be some kind of FUTURE turkey baster

the DONOR would be an ALIEN

a turkey baster with lazer guns and space booooots

Sorry gbx! It's joeks! And also a little bit of lashing out because omg enough with the lawyer joeks, world, okay?

yeah you forget, then you forget that you forgot and keep on taking the pill like normal, then you have a particularly heavy period the next month, whoopsie daisy. I wouldn't know what to call it besides that.

(I mean "particularly heavy period" not "whoopsie daisy")

"Oops, I Did It Again."

See, I kind of wonder how prevalent the "oh noes the womens have the power of LIFE and we hate it" motivation really is. I've read more than a couple articles arguing that women shouldn't WANT to have the things that men have (which they always equate with behaving like men) because women have the power of LIFE and NURTURING and MOTHERHOOD and that is way, way better even if you have to stay in a kitchen all day. So maybe there is more of a "we're doing this because we want you to retain your traditional gender role because it's FOR THE BEST DO YOU SEE?" aspect to it. Which goes along with Fear of a Dyke Planet.

Speaking of the misogyny angle, there was a study just out comparing countries with legal abortion and countries in which abortion was entirely prohibited and there was no difference in the number of actual abortions sought. The big difference was in the number of women who died as a result of seeking abortions. So basically, making abortion illegal does not save babies but it does kill women.

talking about outcomes is practically off-limits in american political debate. year after year, studies and statistics (from the government's own measures!) show that policies on capital punishment, or drug enforcement, or health care, haven't made the slightest dent in the issues those policies are meant to address. but talking about outcomes means talking about the practical nuts and bolts of situations rather than the idealized version of them, and the latter is really what america is all about.

if america talked about outcomes, then it could start talking about why one in three black men in their 20s is in jail. it could start talking about why 18,000 americans will die because they're not insured. why capital punishment has no discernable mitigating influence on the murder rate. why demand for recreational drugs today is higher than it was before it was criminalized. but we don't have those conversations. it's like politicians purposefully don't want to know the outcomes of their policies, they'd rather fly on a hope and a wish.

god that is so otm, Tracer Hand.

I'm American enough to recognize myself in it. :(

oh i mean someday i'll know better. i just sort of figure that most women that have been on birth control for a while understand how it works better than a guy that read a chapter about it

then again, if ladies don't know that taking birth control will mess with their hormones in potentially dramatic ways, then their doctors really are't doing them any favors

TH OTM

one in three????!?!?!!

also btw self-sufficient future sapphists won't have any reason to go to space duh, building teh rocketz is a cock offset project for the mans

Jessie, I do not by any means think that MOST people who disapprove of abortion and sexual freedom are thinking about WOMYN'S LIFE-GIVING PROWESS, they're just absorbing a set of beliefs/feelings that are FOUNDED on it. :)

jessie i dont know that its so much specifically the "oh no power of life etc." angle so much as the fear of having any kind of "control" over what is supposed to be a divinely-ordained process... so its not even a fear of the "natural" birth-giving power of women so much as a fear of the possibility that women can deny or break out of the "birth-giving" role!

it's like politicians purposefully don't want to know the outcomes of their policies, they'd rather fly on a hope and a wish.

scientists are from mars, politicians are from venus?

xp to tracer

i guess that's what i meant about the benefits of making abortion a women's health issue in the realm of public debate. if it's a health issue, then (like all other health problems) we can look at it as being a variable affected by larger social, cultural and environmental forces.

statistics r importnt, and america seems pretty doomed to ignore them

I've read more than a couple articles arguing that women shouldn't WANT to have the things that men have (which they always equate with behaving like men) because women have the power of LIFE and NURTURING and MOTHERHOOD and that is way, way better even if you have to stay in a kitchen all day.

I think it's really complex, possibly unfathomable, but this could still fit in with the fear of reproduction analysis as well - undermine the importance/power of something because you fear it kind of thing.

xposts ahootie!

I think we can all agree that misogyny is a rich and internally contradictory tradition.

scientists are from mars, politicians are from venus?

AND THEYRE BOTH SPACE LESBIANS

having conversations about morally ambiguous subjects that end up indicting everyone that lives in this country are a total bummer, tracer, which is why we don't have them

ALL OUR MOTHERS MADE US FEEL IRRECONCILABLE GUILT
TRANSFERENCE IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE TO SCREAM THIS FILTH

also btw self-sufficient future sapphists won't have any reason to go to space duh, building teh rocketz is a cock offset project for the mans

Your search - "yonic space ship" - did not match any documents.

abbott please come up with alternate titles/tag lines for "LIFE ON A DYKE PLANET" please

Dibs on "yonic space ship" for a band name.

indicting everyone that lives in this country

speak for yourself, I don't have a vote.

Your search - "sapphic space ship" - did not match any documents.

get on this, people!

wouldn't space faring lesbians just use invaginations of the space-time continuum to get around the universe

like duh people

lol invaginations

they could use some kind of giant baster

vulvulations

like whichever one's responsible for the milky way

schlocky movie director could even make stargate style portals, cut from marble and not-so-obliquely checking georgia o'keefe

Like in that Pedro Almodóvar movie.

Srsly this book Ammonite is about a mixed-gender exploration force that lands on a habitable planet and finds that colony ships had crashed there hundreds of years ago and there are humans on it already...but only women. It turns out there's a viral agent that kills men but women can survive it because it gives them biofeedback on a crazy advanced level so as the virus is killing you, you look inside and transform it into a symbiote. From that point, women can trigger their own ovulation & implantation and trigger the egg to start dividing on its own. Oh yes. It's totally amazing. And actually not a bad little book at all.

sounds like Octavia Butler

Ammonite by Nicola Griffiths

portals not necessary since space recognized to be curved into the exact shape of a chocha - you know how "the spot" often seems to mysteriously shift, instantaneously

so really what happened is one of the men finally figured out how to rock the ceratioid method of fuk

I would be a symbiote for all of these ladies. bonus: monogamy enforced by you being glued up in it for all time.

Who knows. It turns out to be the method of reproduction for everything else on the planet; the virus is as necssary as the ones that live in our stomachs, for instance.

a boy-child is discovered on a distant planet, one of the few born in this society, and is to be sold for milking until he is rescued from the clutches of his sexually uninhibited mothers (<--- SEX SCENE L@@K HOW DECADENT) by a rag-tag group of rogue-ish and v masculine ex-space marines and their doting wives(<--- SEX SCENE, BUT IN A TASTEFUL HETERO WAY) who have a spaceship (it, too, being the last of its breed) and use it to fly to the heart of the sapphic empire, crashing through the enormous glass ceiling of milking/cloneing facility (GUESS WHAT THE ROOF LOOKS LIKE), and destroying the empire by sending the boy-child through one of the portals (which was highly taboo, and had never been done before). his male energy disrupts the universe's foldings, destroying the network of portals and severely damaging the sapphic empire's ability to govern. scores of men and women are released from lesbian bondage.

scores of men and women are released from lesbian bondage.

so a sad ending, then

Yeah, I couldn't even watch Titanic, dude.

i'm really tempted to write that as a schlocky sci-fi novel and make a million dollars from the hentai crowd.

novel fuck that let's make a movie

dave sim

GUESS WHAT THE ROOF LOOKS LIKE

http://lloydi.com/travel-writing/crete/images/santorini-dome-roof.jpg http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/TS/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/B0011/B0011024/B0011024.jpg http://www.photohome.com/pictures/washington-dc-pictures/us-capitol-building-1a.jpg

i live in DC, I can try and see if you can crash the fake spaceship into the Capitol.

Altho to be honest breast obsession is WAY more a straight guy thing than a lesbo one, I'm pretty sure.

Why don't you think it over for a few days, come to a firm decision

supplement it with pictures

Maybe this is better:

http://www.magicaljourneys.com/Spain/images/images-guggenheim2.jpg

that's fuckin hideous

^^that doesn't look like the heart of the sapphic empire.

oh i was thinking less like boobs and more like the sydney opera house on its back

There is one result for "yonic architecture" and it is Keanu and Debra Discourse on The Matrix.

Oh sorry, that makes total sense, rw. I was just imagining crashing through a roof, so the upright visualization escaped me.

i was hoping we were going to keep milking the breast puns

i dunno we've been squeezing them dry for what seems like an hour now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/snewlaw.gif

I used to own this album:
http://www.amazon.com/Vulvic-Yonification-Vulva/dp/B000003SVK

I live just off the bottom-left of that map

By the top of her stockings?

Umbert the Unborn, the world's most lovable unborn baby (next to yours)!

http://www.catholic.net/catholic_db/imagenes_db/culture_of_life/07um1026.jpg

FETUSES WEAR GLASSES.

okay that's a gigantic "OH GOD NO" to somanyshrimp.com

-- HI DERE, Monday, October 29, 2007 1:38 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link