Is it wrong to ANTICIPATE Ryan Murphy's new show GLEE?

So, hit all my guilty pleasure spots tonight. I was really not looking to add this show to my list, but I guess I'll be watching it next season. Anyone else?

I'm waiting for it to premiere here on the west coast...

I should've liked this, but didn't. Dunno what it was about that didn't sit right either, but I don't ever judge a show solely on its pilot episode. I'll pick it up again in the fall and see what's what.

looking forward to seeing this

Nip/Tuck turned pretty much completely to shit after the first two seasons, so I don't have great hopes for this.

god nip/tuck turned so laughable (not that it wasn't ridic to begin with but it was fun ridic). the last episode I saw had a guy with a fetish for inanimate objects fucking a couch

Didn't hate this. I'll give it a few episodes.

LINE SPOILERSSSSS

Offering up a clue as to whether or not romance will blossom, the actor slips into character long enough to deliver a bit of Finn’s dialogue from the second episode: “It’s really strange. I can’t stop thinking about Rachel. I really dig her in a Swimfan kind of way and her body is smokin’… if you’re not into boobs!”

We watched this again tonight (wife hadn't seen it yet) on Hulu. It's really cute. We like it a lot.

I loved the tangential visual commentary throughout. Smart stuff. It feels like an HBO-ish attempt to create a hipper High School Musical. I just hope the jock doesn't represent a "normality" around which all the other characters/types revolve.

Hop on AIM, Kevin, so we can chat about it!

I liked it, I don't know how far the plot can carry the show but I do plan on watching this fall.

I know it's just the pilot but did anyone else think this felt like your standard dance/musical movie squashed into a one-hour episode? They shouldn't have gone with the Glee club getting so good by the end there - it almost seems like they might be setting up their success a little too early. Also I really hope they get rid of the multiple voiceovers as the pacing was all over the place. Maybe they could go with one character voiceover per episode.

love the whole concept otherwise - it really is cute! I like most of the characters already. Plus I'm still missing the pathetic sweetness of Pushing Daisies and this seems like it could be a good replacement.

The voiceover thing is the typical pilot convenience that will dropped by episode 3 or so, I would bet.

I didn't hate the voiceovers.

Guys, Glee kicked some ass tonight.

Yessssssssss

I'm kinda crushing a little on Rachel.

this was AMAZING to watch stoned. or, um, so i'm told.

irony of the night: girl who sang the last song was TOTALLY not gleeful. in the least.

ok this show! still dying at the "accident" visual cue.

hahaha yes, it's a good sign that even the obvious jokes are still hilarious; I also like the nuance in the portrayal of some of the scenarios, like the obvious conflict going on within the shrewish wife

It feels kind of ballsy for the show to make the lead character married and then set up a separate love interest, even if the wife is portrayed as the most despicable person ever.

As long as her sister exists, the wife can't possibly be the most despicable person ever!

Also <3 Jane Lynch:
"That was the most offensive thing I’ve seen in 20 years of teaching -- and that includes an elementary school production of Hair."

she is fucking fantastic

yeah Jane Lynch was at her Jane Lynch-iest - so amazing

"How much does it cost per page to make copies?"
"SEVENTEEN CENTS"

Rachel: I'm not bulimic. I tried, but i guess i don't have a gag reflex.
Emma: When you're older, you'll find that will be a gift.

I want to like this.

However... two storylines where neurotic women pine after hapless nice guys who are already taken by shrill, manipulative blond bitches is overkill, and also forced and lazy. (Yeah, they're obviously meant to parallel, but give the characters actual distinct personalities first, plz.)

The cheerleader bitch isn't shrill and the quarterback isn't hapless. Also, you're completely ignoring the coach's pursuit of OCD counselor.

And if you think show choir diva and OCD counselor are interchangeable... um well basically I suggest actually watching the show as opposed to making up stuff based on commercials.

true, the diva & the counselor aren't exactly interchangeable, but they both represent the same thing to the male leads, ie chasing their dreams, the weirdness of loving show choir over more conventional masculine pursuits

it's a bit snide to suggest that I haven't watched it. of course I have, and I generally liked it, but I'm a bit worried about the laziness of the storylines & characterization

I think that's an unnecessarily superficial reading of a show that's already pretty shallow! The read on the adult relationship is pretty accurate but I don't think that's what is going on with the kids at all.

The kid relationship is pretty much cookie-cutter popular/unpopular TV dynamics with the added wrinkle of the popular kid mainly liking her because she seems to be willing to put out; once his chaste girlfriend pops back into the picture, the unpopular girl fades away.

ok, fair enough, perhaps I'm being "unnecessarily superficial" about the admittedly shallow teenage love triangle. that's definitely a more interesting read of the situation. but I still reserve my concern that it all felt a bit too labored, which is kind of a drag for a show that's supposed to be so fun and buoyant (that's what it says on the tin).

I'm not sure which sense of "labored" you mean; are you talking plotwise (ie, events are too far-fetched) or actingwise (ie, the portrayals aren't convincing)?

plotwise (I like the actors). for example, the diva's sudden grand passion for the jock seemed rushed. also, the wife and the cheerleader girlfriend are such unlikable caricatures that it reduces the dramatic tension, because there's no conflict, no question of who we should root for.

and yeah, it's not so much a grand passion as a teenage crush, but I still think it's overplayed

I think that instead of setting up the conflicts as Character A V. Character B., Glee is setting them up as conflicts for the protagonist. The cheerleader and wife are clearly antagonists, but the dilemma isn't whether to root for them, but how our protagonists should deal with them. Ie; Instead of the tension being Do We Prefer OCD Girl or Wife, it's really, how should the teacher deal with a wife he doesn't feel intimate with, and is perhaps starting to realize is not the most wonderful person in the world, and weigh the feelings he may have with the OCD girl with the ideas of fidelity, family and honor. All the pressure of the plot is on him. The wife is just a foil for that.

And I don't see how they're overplaying the ingenue's crush on the football player. I get the impression she's outspoken, pretty sexually curious, and feels constrained by this small town she has to live in. When she gets to college, she'll probably forget Finn's name in a minute and a half, but for the meantime, she's into him.

I think they're dropping that somewhat with the wife and this whole hysterical pregnancy thing; she's clearly being influenced poorly by her sister in the previews but she clearly was going to come clean about the whole thing right before freaking out and lying, and she also clearly feels shitty about the whole situation. I do agree that the show could have done a better job of showing the bond between them and I felt like the beginning of that dinner scene started to show that.

The cheerleader is more explainable because it's been artistic convention for a while that the quarterback dates a hot cheerleader regardless of how shitty said cheerleader is; there's also hints under her harpy exterior that she has genuine feelings for him beyond being a checkbox on an accessory list, as hinted at in her proactive audition and the subsequent conversation with the Cheerios coach.

"And I'm going to get my boyfriend back."

"Yeah. I don't care so much about that."

hahaha yes

Can't say that I believed too strongly in the cheerleader's genuine feelings for her boyfriend. Her scheming in order to join show choir seemed more like plot mechanics (gets her and her cheerios in position for future conflict and hijinks with the glee club people) than an effort to give her emotional depth.

jesus people it's the second episode. let it live a little.

Well, glee girl crashed the celibacy club and undermined her in front of her boyfriend on her own turf; it makes some amount of sense that she'd try to get payback (and that she'd bring reinforcements with her). The depth bit is basically what I read into her portrayal during the scene where she begged not to be kicked off the Cheerios.

fair enough, Roz! I would love nothing more than for my concerns to be unfounded and for this show to be unreservedly awesome and lovable.

And also, whether or not the plot is unlikely, I lol'd so many times during this last episode.

I think reservations are good but if I disagree or find yours silly, I'll say so! I mean, my biggest fear is that the writing level is going to drop and we're going to be left with maniacal energy substituting for actual humor (part of this being driven by the fear that they will never top the gag reflex line).

How are the clothes? Good friend from high school is doing the costume design.

good but it's no gossip girl, sorry.

I wasn't wondering whether or not it was Gossip Girl...don't think that's really J's style anyway (she used to do Nip and Tuck).

So she just works with Ryan Murphy then.

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don't mind your disagreement at all, HI DERE, I think they increased my appreciation of the show. and anyway, what's more boring than a mutual admiration society.

probably I'm inclined to be nitpicky just because they took a few cheap shots at Chic and disco, ha.

They also called the song "Freak Out," wtf.

xpost to suzy

serious answer, the colours on the show are pretty bright and all the characters currently dress pretty much as you'd expect their characters to dress - red cheerleader outfits for the cheerleaders, sweater vests and knee high socks for the preppy diva, etc. i guess she'll have more to do as glee club expands, and they start needing costumes for performances and competitions.

LOL sounds like Square Pegs. J will be in her element, was the tiny cheerleader at the top of the pyramid in HS. I'm pencilled in to visit her in LA, where she will take me to the secret warehouse full of vintage Halston etc. She's done loads of films too; back then she was Veronica amidst the Heathers.

J, not L?

One bizarre thing is that we've never seen the cheerleaders not wearing their uniforms. It's as if they don't own any other articles of clothing.

There is a definite intentional level of unreality going on in this show; it's kind of like "Saved With The Bell" meets "Malcolm in the Middle" in that regard.

what it is is a more adult high school musical.

"Adult high school musical" is really an awful description. It's closer to a "high school Nip/Tuck."

i've never watched nip/tuck so can't say. i just threw HSM out there based on the bright colour palette, use of stock high school characters, and obviously the singing and dancing.

Now that the crazy wife is on the defensive, I kind of love her -- at the current level of unreality I can totally see her stealing a baby or doing something similarly batshit.

The only complaint I had was that the songs were way overprocessed and the lip-syncing was pretty bad all around. But if pandering to iTunes sales is what keeps Jane Lynch on my screen, I'll take it.

100% agree w/r/t the lip-syncing. Esp during Gold Digger. Just horribly done.

haha yes, but given all of the other unrealistic things happening I found it charming rather than annoying (that won't last tho)

i tried to watch this show but they were overlaying a fuckin' twitter feed between viewers and the actors on the show while it was playing, probably the most annoying fucking thing i've ever seen.

what, why

I saw them doing that twitter thing with Fringe the other day. Good thing I don't like Fringe already otherwise I might've been put off.

i know the person who was doing the twittering /suzy

^dude cut it out, clearly I know too many damn people.

I'll have to introduce you two :D

100% agree w/r/t the lip-syncing. Esp during Gold Digger. Just horribly done.

Yeah, it took me a while to figure out who was supposed to be doing lead vocals on that. (I mean, I know Will said "I'll do it," but it didn't even look like he was singing until halfway through.)

Yeah the vocals are very Bollywood, they don't seem to be trying to fool the audience into thinking the actors are doing the singing "live" at all. There should at least be a pretense of it.

watched the first two episodes. it seems alright but high school setting + narration by multiple characters + musical cues + jock dude who looks a lot like chris klein + unpopular uptight overachieving high school girl just reminds me of election, then i just wish i was watching election instead.

plus all of the musical numbers are deeply deeply embarrassing. not in an entertaining way, in a cringing behind my hands kind of way.

and the black member of the glee club (uh "mercedes washington" lol) is a really ridiculous stereotype at this point, they better start giving her more of a role soon. i know it's early and most of the glee kids aren't fleshed out at all yet but literally every one of her lines has been some kind of cliche

but there were some good jokes and the counselor is hot

the end.

The pilot generated some enthusiasm for me, especially the "Don't Stop Believin" finale, but the second ep made it clear that they had about one hour's worth of interesting ideas for this show.

Plus, I am not usually the first guy to stand up and complain about noxious gender politics on TV, but really, don't you get the feeling that the people who made this show kind of think that women are horrific castrating harpies almost without exception? And doesn't that sour it for you just a little bit? It's like they watched Leslie Mann's brilliant and complicated star turn in _Knocked Up_ and came away saying "wow, bitches keep men away from their hobbies, i hate that too!"

Leslie Mann's brilliant and complicated star turn in _Knocked Up_

you totally lost me here

Because you thought she was bad in it or because you think that movie also takes the view that women are horrid shrews or because you think Glee doesn't at bottom take this view?

Because I didn't think it was a brilliant or complicated star turn and because I think that if you are going to believe the creators think that women are horrid shrews, you also have to believe they think men are spineless feebs. I believe you are mistaking caricature for honest sentiment; the entire thing is supposed to be exaggerated farce, not cinema verite.

[i]I think that if you are going to believe the creators think that women are horrid shrews, you also have to believe they think men are spineless feebs.[i]

I guess I do kind of believe they think this, and I think it's a piece of the same noxiousness.

I don't think this is supposed to be "realistic," but neither is stand-up comedy, and I still think it's pretty hacky and unpleasant when people's act is 90% "why are they all such bitches? why do we spineless feebs stand for it?"

It's about where the show's sympathies lie, not who's "better". In Knocked Up the women were obnoxious harpies and the men were immature children but the movie's heart lie with the men. Same with Glee, you can rationalize all you want and justify their behavior and etc but in the end the show's heart lies with the male characters, not their female significant others.

I don't know about that. The show's heart clearly does not lie with Will's wife or with Quinn, but that's because it asks us to sympathize instead with Emma and Rachel.

haha really enjoying this, never thought I'd praise another ('popular') ryan murphy show after nip/tuck

give jane lynch a fucking oscar or something already

lol @ the mom

loved this last night! can't wait for victor garber to bust out some godpell!

kind of nice to see my guesses about the thawing of the wife coming true

I think I embarassed myself yell/singing along to Poison.

I know she's a loser
How do you know?
Me and the crew used to do her!

acafellas!

Who is Josh Groban? Kill yourself!

^^^definitely plan on using that line

I enjoy this show but the characterizations leave me cold. And wtf happened at the end with the cheerleader, taking away their tanning privileges gave blonde cheerleader girl a new outlook on life?

It's hard not to love Groban after that cameo.

What was the line he said about preferring floozies?

I think it was something about blowsy alcoholics.

I absolutely loathed the characters on Popular, returned the Netflix after 1.5 episodes... will I hate this show?

Probably

the counselor is hot

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

love this show (esp. its use of music both incidental and central) but hate the wife (terribly written, terribly acted); hope it doesn't spoil as it goes on :/

LOVE MERCEDES

i just want the wife to be played by cheryl hines and it would be so much better.

It's hard not to love Groban after that cameo.

have liked groban ever since he did this bit on never mind the buzzcocks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ_x7c_AKw4

also may be incurring the wrath of the lex here if he ever read this thread but wow i think mercedes out-fierced jazmine sullivan.

modern family and cougar town are gonna suck, right? i don't have to miss glee, right? i can watch during commercial, right?

yeah, that's what i thought.

Uh yeah. Don't miss Glee for Cougar Town. (Is Modern Family the Malcolm in the Middle clone?)

okay, glee is already so awesome during the into i don't know what i was thinking.

I know! Single Ladies homage!

(Music video homage, obv. It's the actual song. Or whatever you'd call it then. Shot-by-shot remake?)

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjGQXOsO6sY

"Yes we cane."

between glee, the return of fringe and mad men tearing shit up, tv is real good right now

football tryout scene might be the best thing i've seen on t.v. all year.

okay, i'll stop liveblogging this show. can't help it.

I CAN'T WATCH THIS TILL TOMORROW STOP RUBBING IT IN

Uh - pregnant wat?

sooooooooo......awesome.

The football players "Single Ladies" scrimmage may be my favorite thing of 2009.

that whole episode was an abundance of riches. whoever wrote that "Sue C's It" bit is a genius.

Only thing I disliked about the episode was the Quinn/Finn/other dude thing.

The problem I have is that the female characters. Rachel, the asian girl and the OCD counselor are okay but the other ones are just awful and I hate it when they're on the screen (Sue kinda transcends her awfulness). Whereas even the mohawk "bad" guy has shades of gray and was amenable to doing the dance on the field.

and what's with the no A-word thing? So lame.

god i love that this is getting nice and dark but retains all camp!

also

"Yes we cane."

this show seems ok but i'm not all that into this sort of camp. it just like reminds me of 30 rock or something, i guess it's just not my thing.

:)

i am having a really hard time with this post are you being sarcastic?

nope.

:(

it's just, from what i've seen, this brand of sarcasm is more enjoyable in passing to me. can't imagine actually sitting down and watching it.

3 times a day or your baby will be ugly

hahaha yes, that line was great

i think i don't really like this show, but the newest episode was better because it focused on kurt, and the dude who plays kurt has a really interesting weird charisma. since the characters are such broad cliches, they pretty much live or die on the acting skills/charisma of the actors. i'd watch a show that was just about kurt, jane lynch, the crazy guidance counselor, and the football coach.

Hm, I was about ready to give up on it, but maybe I'll watch this latest episode.

Finally caught up with eps. 3 & 4. Still not appreciating the plot contrivances. Making Mercedes dumb as a post to create fake drama between her and Kurt, Little Miss Celibacy suddenly pregnant just as Will's wife decides she needs to get her hands on a baby? ugh. It's not supposed to be naturalistic, but ugh.

But the characters are becoming more interesting, especially as it moves away from the conventional lead types (n/a otm about Kurt). Plenty of lols ("I'm living in a cocoon of horror!", Jane Lynch's overpronunciation of Celine Dion, "yes we cane" omg) throughout. If the performances stay strong and they keep cracking the jokes and coming up with sequences as deliriously bonkers as the 'Single Ladies' numbers, this could be a classic show, no foolin.

i'd watch a show that was just about kurt, jane lynch, the crazy guidance counselor, and the football coach.

Cosign this entire post (if you throw in the kimono-wearing guy from Groundhog Day). Every episode has these parts that don't work for me at all, but I keep coming back because Kurt, Jane Lynch et al are so satisfying to watch.

i kinda pretty much wish the whole show was jane lynch. not so much kurt but whatever i'll take him if it means i get jane lynch lols. also what's her name the one who wanted to be maria w/ the football crush... i love her because i knew like 30 of her.

the people you HATE when you're in high school/college but have a sorta soft spot for when they're being gently mocked on a tv show.

no mercedes, no sale

oh yeah i <3 stephen tobolowsky. my mother-in-law was high school debate team partners with stephen tobolowsky.

The plot contrivances are getting to me a little bit, too. However, Mike O'Malley!

have only seen one episode so far and a lot of it was kinda corny to me, but man the "bust the windows out your car" scene was pretty great

Still not appreciating the plot contrivances. Making Mercedes dumb as a post to create fake drama between her and Kurt, Little Miss Celibacy suddenly pregnant just as Will's wife decides she needs to get her hands on a baby? ugh. It's not supposed to be naturalistic, but ugh.

yeah see normally i'd agree with this but i think footballers doing single ladies + jane lynch + high schoolers doing campy musical numbers in general just causes my critical synapses to collapse leaving me in a giggling mess.

or maybe i'm just willing to overlook the obvious deficiencies because they're clearly there so that someone can break out into a song/dance (surprised quinn didn't get her own weepy ballad actually, after the baby/love triangle reveal).

A good barometer for whether someone will like this show: Does the thought of a bunch of football players doing the Single Ladies dance strike you as funny? And can you tolerate not one, but two female characters who lie about their pregnancies to keep their men?

I will no longer be watching Glee.

I'm pretty sure football players doing the Single Ladies dance is empirically funny.

xpost to Roz-- contrivances that completely disregard established characterization or require characters to be eye-rollingly dense = bad

mere "that would obviously never happen in real life" contrivances that result in great sequences like the football/ Single Ladies stuff = hooray!

single ladies dances are no longer funny, football or no football

sorry, that is just not correct

you don't have to be sorry, but it is tiiiired! :)

the added choreography to make it work with 11 ppl elevated it above all of the other "Single Ladies" parodies

I will admit, though, that had it been a completely different video, like say Shakira's "She-Wolf", it would have been funnier

mmm

single ladies did seem a little tired.

need a new song.

wish the boring and transparent wife wd just be killed off already

oh yeah i <3 stephen tobolowsky. my mother-in-law was high school debate team partners with stephen tobolowsky.

He is awesome.

has lynch dialled it down in this?

i like her but felt she was on auto in 'party down'.

I don't know why I can't sit through this show. I just feel kind of bored until I start to feel my face crinkle up and then I turn it off and go eat something. Am I broken?

oh you're broken for sure.

i am too fyi

I know now why you cry. But it's something I can never do.

i really love this show!!
despite having some serious issues with it! but i find those issues rendered lol.

the single ladies dance + football players thing is I guess kinda funny but I totally did not buy the outcome of that play/game

What, you don't think dancing like Beyonce can suddenly cause an offensive line to block effectively?

u obviously dont know much abt sports

I didn't think they were making mercedes 'dumb as a post' either btw; it's not dumb to take ppl at face value even if all the evidence supposedly pts to him being 'obviously' gay

pretty sure single ladies run n gun is in the new madden

I have it on very good authority that the Oakland Raiders are going to implement this offense next week. And it's gonna work!

Yeah, maybe I don't know the intricacies of football rules, but I guess I thought that with 1 second left to go on the clock, the ball would have to be in motion for time not to run out on them. They didn't even hike the ball before doing their dance; it just sat there on the line of scrimmage.

Whatever. This show operates by musical logic, and musicals are not about RULES. I am continually surprised by how much I love it.

This show operates by musical logic, and musicals are not about RULES.

Exactly. I'm surprised at all of the people expecting it to be realistic.

I thought that when the clock is stopped on an incomplete pass, the play clock keeps going but the game clock stops until the ball is hiked.

Not that this matters because IT IS A MUSICAL

I loved that version of "Alone" so much. I don't know why I don't talk more about Heart, because they are awesome.

Great episode tonight. Loved Kristen Chenoweth. It made me miss Pushing Daisies.

chenoweth!

jesus how much botox did they give her :(

This show operates by musical logic, and musicals are not about RULES.
Exactly. I'm surprised at all of the people expecting it to be realistic.

Dudes, as an alumna of an Ohio high school show choir, glee is totally realistic!

...except for the song selections. Less Journey and Heart, more Rodgers and Hammerstein.

Has anyone picked this up for the U of K? Twitter alerted me to its existence, YouTube got me really excited and now this thread has made me want to see it all RIGHT NOW. Damn you, the internet!

GAH

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a178910/e4-confirms-glee-pickup.html

2010??? Fuck that shit, I might actually have to learn how torrenting works now...

you know 2010 is in like 3 months, right

that's AGES. that's 92 days, and that's only assuming Glee begins on E4 on new year's day which it assuredly will not.

torrentz is easy peasy and nothing to be scared of charlieno4, I'm sure someone can post a nice clear tutorial

or email one

seriously where has Jane Lynch been all my life.

so many amazing lines this ep!

Has anyone picked this up for the U of K? Twitter alerted me to its existence, YouTube got me really excited and now this thread has made me want to see it all RIGHT NOW. Damn you, the internet!

― Background Zombie (CharlieNo4), Thursday, 1 October 2009 14:32 (1 week ago) Bookmark

Sidereel!

Or, you know, go straight to the source.
http://www.megavideo.com/?d=M32CHXMI
(but make sure you have protection)

OOH. Can't wait to go home so I can fire this baby up...

This one was actually good!

And I love Jayma Mays' version of acting, here it is: O_O

the award for most bugged eyes in a musical or comedy goes to...

coach ken is srsly underrated, he manages to be pitiful and likable

jane lynch is pwning this

this ep was so great. i love finn's internal monologues. and is it odd that i have more sympathy for Will's awful wife than for Will and Emma?

coach ken is srsly underrated, he manages to be pitiful and likable

^^this. pls don't break his heart, bug eyes (although you know she's going to).

I have done little more than anticipate this show. I have all of teh episodes on my computer, but I have yet to enjoy them; I should probably enjoy them; because I think I would.

P.S. No homo, but pretty much pseudo-homo without the liking boyparts thing. I'm just campy!

did you just use "teh" and "no homo" in the same post?

BINGO

if you SB someone a bunch of times it only counts once, right?

whiney is still posting, so yes

Note to self: funny, ironic use of 'no homo' not as funny, ironic as it seemed with five white russians in my belly. Noted!

I do think I have to watch some of these episodes tonight, as I'm in the process of co-writing a musical and I gather that the structure of Glee (based on the little that I've seen) is similar to what I want to put together.

without endorsements I won't be able to buy my hovercraft

don't have the time, don't have the uterus

unless you want to lose your man to mentally ill ginger pygmy with eyes like a bush baby

jane lynch is killing it

Watched a bit of the first ep with my husband. He didn't enjoy it so we turned it off. I think I'll start watching this on my own, cause I have a feeling ME LIKEY.

And that's how Sue C's it.
Fantastic.

i am going to vomit down your back

bros before hi hos

Loved Schindler's List on Simchat Torah.

I'm still really loving this

Yeah. This thing is still consistently great week after week.

if anything, I thought single ladies episode was the weakest

it's really well cast too (barring the obvious exception)

kinda simultaneously smiling, laughing, and squirming during bust a move. i don't know what that's called. slirming?

mr. shu was captain of the u.s.s. sexual tension on this one

haha re: bust a move i love how they keep it just uncomfortable enough - dude is so stereotypical 'things white people like' small town fun in that way. like, if you knew him irl you'd run away screaming saying 'get me out of this godforsaken town!!!' but bc he's a character you can laugh through the squirm.

^^otm - it's hilarious in that cheesy wedding video kinda way. also i've forgotten how epic and ridiculous Thong Song is.

ws puck even with his terrible hair

I will go to the animal shelter and buy you a kitty cat. I will let you fall in love with that kitty cat. Then I will steal away into your home in the dark of night and punch you in the face.

LOL

oh mohwakpaws

could this show possibly get any better? it's official, i like my t.v. like i like my men, really REALLY gay.

DAmmit, it made me cry. I don't cry at TV, at least not since Buffy's mom died.

This show hits all my guilty pleasure buttons.

I don't know if I am turning into my mom or what, but I got verklempt over last night's episode.

No kidding. As if Artie dancing with himself weren't enough, Kurt and his Dad just killllllllled me. How real can this essentially unrealistic show be? Jeez.

Not to mention Sue. But. Damn. Sue.

i felt kinda cheated at the end bc jane lynch said in an interview that sue sylvester was never going to have any redeeming qualities/change of heart. i mean i'm sure she'll go back to school and drive that poor jump roping girl to tears but arghhhh.

it wasn't totally redeeming, because she still only shows compassion when it relates to HER life. and i love that shu is NEVER going to guess "what she's up to."

whenever i watch glee i think of little jimmy a. he was WAY too fabulous for our connecticut high school. now he's some sort of fashion honcho. and was a t.v. host, though i never caught him on the tube. god bless him.

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I can't get used to the way US series take a break half way through the run. If they did that in the UK there would be uproar. Or someone would write a stern letter to the BBC at least.

tomayto/tomahto, I thought

i think it was just bc it's fox and they had the world series...

Who wants to watch Baby Huey A-Rod for a month though?

all these kids break my heart. :(

"judy, glenn beck is on!"

this fkn show

kurt is so stock gay high school kid. it makes me sad.

also am i seriously watching a show where a dude sang a song to an ultrasound

last episode was the weakest yet...worst ending, too, i was like "isn't it sort of rude to start singing during someone else's performance?"

yeah, i got that it was supposed to be a gesture of inclusion, but really, way to disrespect a group of performers by stomping all over their game with your auto-tune.

also santana saying "we were sexting" was so stilted and awful. do youths these days really use that word without irony?

i actually thought quinn's confusion was more off. like it's THAT hard to figure out the meaning from the sound of it (and the expression on santana's face)....

Yeah, I think the explanation was solely for the portion of the audience that hadn't heard of it (while also underscoring the fact that the show is using au courant slang).

Heh.

okay that's kind of hilarious.

i gotta say, as much as i loved the episode - er, the one where jane lynch visits her sister - i think they humanized her too early. now when she's mean you know that she's not REALLY evil. they should have waited till the last episode of the season or something. i liked it when i just thought that she was a deranged wrecking ball.

I think the point of that was that, even though she is really sweet to her sister, she is still really evil. If anything, I think it makes her look even more vindictive and mean.

yeah, i read that the same way, i dont think its gonna be like aw, hardass with a <3 of gold, more like a hardass who cares for her sister and fuck tha rest of the world

i was like "isn't it sort of rude to start singing during someone else's performance?"

totally rude! they didn't bust in on the crazy train wreck.

Aww, I must be getting old and soppy because I thought it was sweet, and I normally hate 'Imagine'. Mrs T loves the prog but is being annoyed by overuse of the word "sectionals".

They are going to build up a repertoire of like 200 songs before they even get to sectionals.

srsly hasn't there been like 2 weeks to sectionals for the entire series?

"isn't it sort of rude to start singing during someone else's performance?"

How would they have noticed?

even though she is really sweet to her sister, she is still really evil. If anything, I think it makes her look even more vindictive and mean.

Effectively the same thing, innit?

"its not rude if no one notices"

maybe it's just oversensitivity on my part, but Mr. Shue being all aggressive and grabby during the fake baby reveal really grossed me out. it made it harder to enjoy the treasure trove of terrible acting that the rest of the scene offered.

all i want is one day a year when i'm not visually assaulted by uglies and fatties.

Wow, Sue Sylvester really bringing the hate this week - "IT'S OVER!"

but Mr. Shue being all aggressive and grabby during the fake baby reveal really grossed me out. it made it harder to enjoy the treasure trove of terrible acting that the rest of the scene offered.

otm - Will's facial expressions were a joy to behold.

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mattresses: not just for sleeping and fornicating anymore.

that whole confrontation scene i was like hammer don't hurt em!

oh shit i can't wait to see this on hulu tonight
i'm gonna bake some cookies and get so excited

Thought the "Smile" sequence was really nice. I love that song, never would have thought of an updated version (and never realized until Googling that Michael Jackson had recorded it.)

and Sun Ra

What is up with the principal...none of the characters are particularly well written but everything he does just seems to be out of left field. His purpose seems to only be to make life harder for Glee. Charge them for their yearbook photo, make their arch rival teacher their co-leader, it's a little too convenient.

Also, I want to see Rachel's dads.

i never really knew any school principals who seemed to do anything other than walk around with walkie talkies and make announcements so it seems fine to me.

like, they schmooze the pta and school board and sign stuff and are administrative but not particularly useful so it makes sense that his character is weird.

it's not that he's not going out of his way to make glee successful, but that he continually undermines them in all kinds of ways without having any particular reason to do so. and the whole banning them from the yearbook and then charging them for an ad was just totally off base, especially for someone who insists that everyone play by the rules.

maybe he wants to bone sylvester?

but, knowing some high school politics, i'd guess he stays on sylvester's side bc her cheerios keep $$$ coming into the school.

I do not regret voting for Glee on my best television of the decade ballot. In fact, at this particular moment (having just seen the "fall finale"), I only regret I didn't rate it higher. (It was the last pick on my list.)

went to see this in a theater for free with a lot gays and families, it was a blast seeing ppl yelll at parts

i liked the performance they did at Sectionals but why all the drama over picking new songs? surely they could've chosen from the several hundred other songs they inexplicably rehearsed for no apparent reason earlier in the season.

megalolz at the judges not understanding or giving a fuck about the competition, i once judged at a regional high school drama competition and they really did let any asshole who wanted fifty bucks do it.

unnecessary drama is this show's raison d'être

Also, this way they got to sing 3 new songs we've never seen them sing before.

this ep was fantastic, loved all the songs - more than usual, right?

def an epic episode in both song and story

I really loved Mercedes' "And I Am Telling You" but it kind of made me want to hear Jennifer Hudson's version again.

massive lols at the bimbo cheerleader in this one, btw; she totally stole the opening phone conference scene

she's the most underrated lols character on the show

OH and since I'm catching up via DVR can I just say last week's episode was like HOLY SHIT levels of uncomfortable

I still love Sue.

"I'm reasonably confident that you will add revenge to the list of things you're no good at, right next to being married, running a high school glee club and finding a hairstyle that doesn't make you look like a lesbian."

I love Sue's threats. They're so...serious-sounding.

shue listening to the competition over the phone had me in hysterics. they kept cutting back to him and everytime they did he had an even more excruciating look on his face.

lookin at him all wellin up like a proud papa

surrogate papa, in some cases

HEY does anyone notice that the man no longer teachers spanish ever?

the kid w/the afro and glasses is like a remaindered freaks n geeks extra

genuinely surprised to see glee chart so highly on google and twitter's EOY lists:
http://brandsavant.com/292/google-zeitgeist-twitter-trends-and-consumer-behavior/

Anyone watching this now it's on UK tv? Hyped up to the max (by me amongst others).

Watched the first 2 last night, enjoyed it a lot, will watch again.

thought it was awful, won't watch again. currently having an email fight with gf because i rubbished it on fb as she watched it. thought that shit only happened in friends.

i've been worrying about the backing members of the group- asian, black, wheelchair, questionable gender

really? i'm not going to give it the benefit of the doubt that that's a clever 'reference', because the rest of it didn't seem that clever tbh.

hmm. i'm being a bit harsh on it because i had to miss some decent tv while SO watched it, maybe- there were some nice ideas and some good asides, but the meat of it was so saccharine and 'what teenagers are like when adults aren't there' as envisioned by a 50 yr old nun that it spoiled any merit that minor characters bring to it- the cheerleading coach and the so-thin-she-isn't there teacher are both pretty good.

Really enjoyed this. Much funnier than I expected it to be, and Jane Lynch is awesome. The bloody songs as well, I am a sucker for musicals anyway but the takes on "Rehab" and "Don't Stop Believin'" were A+. Also, major lulz at the Principal's reverie during "Push It".

I thought the show was pretty upfront about that whole "lol minority" thing.

What can I say? There were a bunch of songs I really love and some great performances thereof, a few v. funny zingers, an undertow of hopelessness that keeps promising to overwhelm the happy ending and resonates like crazy with me and enough moral ambiguity around the characters to promise some curve-balls to come.

ok fine i was harsh with it. still smarting from SO abuse tbh.

tell you what though- chris klein in american pie was better than the footballer/singer in this, and that's not a favourable comparison.

Anyway, what did you want to watch on the other side?

new irish sketch show on rte which was rude and funny and weird. they'll all be on channel four or bbc3 in 6 months, don't worry.

You know you can watch one programme while recording the other right, since about 1978?

2010 west of ireland is obviously equivalent to < 1978 UK

i have glee on my hard drive. that's what annoyed me!

tell you what though- chris klein in american pie was better than the footballer/singer in this, and that's not a favourable comparison.

I think the popular comparison is Chris Klein in Election. (Especially since Rachel sort of maps onto Reese Witherspoon's character and Will onto Matthew Broderick's.)

yeah i was reading the thread since and we've pretty much just said everything the US viewer's assocation did about two months late.

just in terms of miming/singing klein was better in american pie though.

http://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Idina_Menzels_Official_Web_Site_Confirms_GLEE_Appearance_20100112

found this thoroghly painful to watch, all these visual cues everwhere as if to say 'hey, aren't you smart that you caught that, eh. Isn't this just SO satirical?'. Watch with my gf who was creaming herself after reading the massive piece in the guide was glad to get back to ross kemp at 10. All this black mucky comedy I was expecting ended up being scrubs does high school musical

messy talk this early

gf now completely addicted to this, it's been promoetd to 'ok but not nearly as clever as it thinks' in my books. basically serves as a delivery system for jane lynch and the headmaster to make good lols.

my gf and her mates gorged the whole series in an all day duvet pyjama session on saturday so hopefully i now dont have to look at it again

"Josh Groban likes a blowsy alcoholic" tbh.

so happy to see them win a golden globe last night. must have been 400 people on stage.

can't remember the song they were singing, but it was while they were all meant to be competing- they did an 'impromptu' number in a classroom and i didn't know why it was so much better until i realised that it was just the kids singing- no autotune, no awful synching and dear god none of that 'jaa-daa' earrape that constitutes backing for all the other numbers.

i've seen more of this show this week than i have of any other tv, including news and football. gaw.

i like this show but i don't know if i like it as much as the idea of it

i would like this show 82% more if they didn't autotune the shit out of every number they do

^^callin for DOA

srsly its like listening 2 808s n <3break

This is my favourite show on TV at the moment apart from University Challenge

Glee is like a soap opera with kids. so in other words it's like EVERY OTHER SHOW EVAR BUT WIF MUSIC

can we cancel "wif" for 2010?

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Huh.

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dang dude you are FAST

FAST 'FRIENDS'

want this show back so badd

yeah friends was funny

no not that, glee

i am glad friends is out of my lyfe tbh

isn't glee shit

nah it's p tight, one of the best ensembles on tv

seems like it must be annoying and totally unfunny crap but each to their own I guess

Sounds like you might want to try watching the show before you completely bash it conrad?

doesn't seem v likely does it

i really, really cooled on this over the course of the season

I was loving the fuck out of this show while it was on, but while it's been gone I've really cooled on it. It doesn't age well.

^^^^ pretty true, although Jane Lynch is still ridiculously awesome

but while it's been gone I've really cooled on it. It doesn't age well.

What does this mean? I've barely thought about it since it's been on hiatus, but that doesn't mean I'm not jazzed for it to come back.

you are jazzed

It means that I'm not jazzed for it to come back.

As Jane Lynch gets more and more awesome the storyline of this show just gets dumber and dumber. It's a pity, because some of the throwaway lines and most of the performances are pretty good but it ends up as high school musical for dr who fans.

eh, Glee wishes it was as camp and charming as High School Musical.

for example i predict no Glee performance will reach the glorious heights of this number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vESiQ201M5U

Fuck everything about "High School Musical", though

why would you say that about the franchise that bestowed this gemlike number upon a fallen, undeserving world?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL37snqMJx8

didn't watch these vids but have far greater even if only comparable interest in watching high school musicals than glee

i like this show but i don't know if i like it as much as the idea of it

― thomp, Friday, January 29, 2010 7:26 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ryan murphy kind of seems more like an ideas man than an execution man to me, but on the other hand lea michele's performance of "don't rain on my parade" in the sectionals episode made me tear up. this show has flashes of brilliance but i also find myself wondering why do i even watch this show midway through a lot of the episodes. imo the thing ryan murphy is best at is creating characters like jane lynch's, that should be totally irredeemably awful, and humanizing them. i am not sure that is enough to hang a show on, but i am probably going to keep watching.

also the dude who plays the music teacher looks like he was created in a lab to play justin timberlake's older brother in a biopic.

haha i always think that dude is really cute but then i get a look at his face

he is really cute but in a way where he looks like a doll

He does the white guy feeling the funk lip-bite thing way too often

idk it feels like his head was shrunk so that its too small & the features are ill-proportioned & too close 2gether. fyi i no this is ridic but theres just smthn off abt him & thats the best way i have of describing it

things that let this show down for me:

-evry body just spout their inner lives, like all the time so that it just seems out of sync w/ reality when ppl r keeping things to themselves eg JTs brother and the chinadollcareerguidancewoman.

-"numbers" seem so joyless and canned and the complete opposite of spontaneous and you cant really understand why anybody would put up with shit to be in such a boring club

-that tall guy that can't dance for shit

that said Quinn and Jane Lynch are so awesome, would watch spinoff where quinn tells jane lynch abt her life-lessons but delivers it all like not-so-subtle barbs and jane lynch has psyko-incomprehensible rebuttals.

Britney is my current hero

evry body just spout their inner lives, like all the time so that it just seems out of sync w/ reality when ppl r keeping things to themselves eg JTs brother and the chinadollcareerguidancewoman.

yeah. i've never seen nip/tuck, but popular was like this too. ryan murphy's investment in character/plot/plausibility is weird. it pays off sometimes (like that amazing moment in the episode about rachel's crush on the teacher where the other girl who had a crush on him corners her in the bathroom and is like, "look we're both mildly attractive and really grating and life is going to be hard on us" or whatever) and sometimes it's just really stilted and kind of boring.

popular was the best because it was batshit tho

its weird to me that all popular needed 2 be successful was music numbers. & not being on the wb i guess

i know, right? popular is the whole reason i kept watching glee after i was underwhelmed by it at first.

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-evry body just spout their inner lives, like all the time so that it just seems out of sync w/ reality when ppl r keeping things to themselves eg JTs brother and the chinadollcareerguidancewoman.

The show works on Musical/Opera logic, this is the recitative.

popular was the best because it was batshit tho

the way that nicole's mom says "no daughter of mine is going to wear a medium" makes me laugh, at loud, to this day

xp do not buy this because for example with the teacher and his wife, she blurts out so much stuff to him by accident but manages to keep schtum on the fake baby thing (tho he does seem to have a fairly low IQ)

Nah Ed's right, this isn't Socialist Realism.

The whole fake baby thing could be straight out of a Figaro story.

i love the unrealness. i hope it gets even more unreal.

yeah i kinda luv that everyone lives on planet ridiculous

i don't mind the unrealness of the plot, but i admit the instability of the characters or their relationships with each other or something sometimes keeps me less than interested.

I think it's fair to say it doesn't always handle its more serious themes very compellingly, but sometimes, you get Sue and her sister and...wow

I wonder how people who complain about television realism deal with every sitcom ever made.

i said i liked popular but this has this annoying habit of switching gears into standard character motivation with no real roadmap for the logic of where and when they're b real for a second, its the lack of definition between when its just abt how zany they all are and the really real moments, confused/confusing imo, but not in a good way, more not really knowing what its aiming for.

I wonder how people who complain about television realism deal with every sitcom ever made.

― Mordy, Saturday, 3 April 2010 22:21 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

not realism, as such- even within it's own dumb world it's dumb as fuck tbh

if this show confuses you then you should maybe lie down or something. cuz we are talking, like, third grade level plots and dialogue, comprehension-wise. not that that's a bad thing. and if the "tone" of the show makes your head spin then, yeah, you should take a nap or a warm bath.

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although, i would probably buy a book entitled: Thinking Too Hard When I Think About Glee: An Apology: Volume One.

not realism, as such- even within it's own dumb world it's dumb as fuck tbh

― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Saturday, April 3, 2010 10:31 PM (10 minutes ago)

tbh this is what i really meant

eh that's a bit vehement, as is my habit.

the bits that are good are really good- jane lynch, the principal, the really hot lead girl, everyone's incredible occasional cynicism, but it just seems that the script has schizophrenic tendencies- dialogue is top notch but the plotlines redefined every ten minutes, which is a strange inconsistency

who the fuck is angelee and why am i getting facebook messages from her old brother about how i should vote for her to get on glee?

/vomit

Her parents must have been big Ang Lee fans.

why is new glee on during lost? whose bright idea was that?

Ha, I know. I'm watching LOST tonight and GLEE tomorrow.

goddamn these people go through relationships like napkins.

so after four months or w/e the show is essentially unchanged, the background glee kids get two lines apiece, finn/rachel/mr. shue are crazy and annoying, and sue/brittany/santana are the greatest. and terri is still on the show for some reason, wtf.

kinda like how they untied all the tied up loose ends from the previous episode (shu and bugeyes, finn and rachel, sue and principal figgins)

this episode is friggin' maximum glee. take no prisoners!

that was epic. so many songs! chenoweth up the wazoo.

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roffled for real at that line

Kristen Chenowith, I luv u

whenever i see chenowith i can't help but think about how she was the inspiration for that horrible snl show that the west wing guy made. the blonde christian comedian/singer lady. plus i always think about how she dissed my friends at the opera school in philly in a new yorker interview. but she was fab last night. although her skullface was kinda disconcerting during that last number.

DESPITE ALL THAT, i still can't get over that episode. i felt like they gleed all over me. they gleed me to death. it was like a nonstop erotic cabaret! or something. that roller rink! man, i could go on and on. every minute of that episode was over the top.

i still can't believe how many of my favorite moments in this show feature mike o'malley, former host of "nickelodeon GUTS!!"

this episode has gotten mixed reviews elsewhere but i really liked it. it helped that rachel spoke maybe twice.

I actually rewatched this this week's ep, something I never do with TV. Mashup of "One Less Bell" and "House Is Not A Home" so, so fabulous!!!

brittany is comedic genius

i refuse to believe that today's high schoolers know the words to "ice ice baby." my sister's a HS freshman and she wasn't even born when it was released.

the run joey run video was p. great though, i miss stephen tobolowsky being on this show.

"so you like showtunes. it doesn't mean you're gay. it means you're awful."

I actually rewatched this this week's ep, something I never do with TV. Mashup of "One Less Bell" and "House Is Not A Home" so, so fabulous!!!

This. Was fucking beautiful and touching.

brittany is comedic genius

This, always, obv.

yeah, i'm still watching this. Just want to drop some love for the opening scene in the principal's office THE ENTIRE SCHOOL WILL THEY SUSPENDED THE ENTIRE SCHOOL

yeah I laughed

Scott said somewhere upthread that the madder it gets the better it gets and this is v. true

Mashup of "One Less Bell" and "House Is Not A Home" so, so fabulous!!!

This was already a thing before Glee you know? (not so much a mash up of course)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrhEzKZxyRs

I loved the Glee one but I have a soft spot for Barbra, when she gets to AHINAH here (02:45) she kills it.

i spent two full minutes trying to pronounce AHINAH in Streisand's dulcet tones, so thanks for that.

kurt going gypsy O_O

i don't really get the editing/timeline of this show... why are they wearing their gaga costumes like 2 days after the rehearsal? or do they have to wear them for the whole week of the assignment?

also puck looks old tonight.

however, i liked this better than reg lady gaga.

It's just so the jocks have a reason to hassle Kurt and Finn.

lolll @ "he's always just... around."

Okay that made less sense than normal.

Like, yes Finn would show up and threaten the idiot football douches, but he would do so as Finn or, if dressed up, as KISS, not in some ridiculous Gaga pastiche outfit.

Kurt is kinda gross these days. I hope the show doesn't give him a pass just because Finn acted like a homophobe.

love means never having to say your sorry for wearing red pvc.

Mashup of "One Less Bell" and "House Is Not A Home" so, so fabulous!!!

This was already a thing before Glee you know? (not so much a mash up of course)

Ned Trifle, this is the first I've heard/seen that, not being particularly conversant on La Streisand. Really nice, thanks!

I wasn't really paying attention but, um... that was kind of horrifying, right? Quinn's pregnancy ballet and the unfunkiest funk number ever performed?

Good job on the cruelty duel, though.

Quinn's pregnancy ballet and the unfunkiest funk number ever performed?

Both made me very glad I had recorded it so I could fast forward -- I felt embarrassed for the performers.

lol @ mercedes 4 trying to strip kc and the sunshine band of their funk credentials

altho yay @ her diva house vocals for "good vibrations"

also why the fuck did they pick a james brown ballad for a funk number? quinn shoulda done "mother popcorn" and have lil prop babies popping out the dancin preggos on the horn hits

(dear glee, i will work for free as a creative consultant if u r interested)

could they give mercedes something to do on this dam show

Ugh, so tired of Mercedes.

but that's because they give her bs singing "beautiful" by christina aguilera storylines.

not an unreasonable request imo (altho if quinn moves in w/ her it could be on and poppin for some totally rad black girl white girl shopping at maternity store musical montages)

all of this otm. seriously who sat in that office and said, 'hey we're doing a funk episode. i know! let's do something by the godfather of SOUL!'

i mean, if shuster was gonna call out the funky bunch for not being funk why not call out quinn? maybe he pheared her hormonal anti-man's world rage? but really. they could have just grabbed 5 songs off millennium funk party and had better rep for this episode.

WTF?

The teacher guy is dating Kelly Brook?

WTF?

So I guess this starts again soon (Sept 21st) but I'm really not enthusiastic about it like I am about other shows airing next season. Particularly because the more I think about it, the more alienated I feel from the show's dramatic/emotional arcs. It's not a huge surprise that a teen soap opera would mostly feature, ya know, teen issues (teen pregnancy, popularity -- which while I imagine every human being worries about being liked by their friends and loved by their family, they never care about popularity as much as when they're in highschool -- being different, etc), but even the adults in the show are essentially children. Sue Sylvester is clearly an emotionally stunted human being who still takes way too much personal satisfaction in being the toughest/coolest/whoever around, the principle is constantly being bullied, and Shuster is really the worst of the bunch of them. He's basically regressed over the first season from being a husband + future father to trying to convince the local prude to have sex with him. The latter trope, while super familiar in teen soap operas, is being charted by the most major adult protagonist on the show (not to mention said prude has all kinds of issues that Freud would no doubt trace to childhood regression, particularly the anal stage of childhood sexual development). The only real adult on the show is Kurt's father who really seems to be dealing with adult issues (how to be a father to his own son and this other woman's fatherless son, how to be in an adult relationship, how to deal with repressed grief and a war that's never explicitly acknowledged within the show but is constantly clearly going on in the background).

Anyway, and here's the weird nexus that the show takes place in; It's about freaks, but it's an incredibly popular critically acclaimed show that -- compared to other sitcoms like Party Down or even Community -- feels more like an insider than an outsider. And it's ostensibly an adult take on the teen soap opera (how else to read the Gawker-reader snark and pop culture obsessiveness) that never deals with issues that feel, ya know, adult. So it's hard to get excited. (Meanwhile I can't wait for the Dexter season premiere.)

Season premiere was really good!

britney episode was kind of amazing

what happened to sunshine?

yeah its like that season premier never happened (altho they are gonna add some biglips qb action next week, so maybe shell be back then, too)

yeah i figured qb shoulder injury = he's joining glee

The answer to the question you've all been asking yourself.

Albarn calls the song covers featured on the show “a very poor substitute for the real thing.”

He has a point.

Albarn thinks you should at least put Rutles level effort into your tributes

Sunshine was stolen by Vocal Adrenaline at the end of the season opener. Did I miss something and VA popped up again in a recent episode? (I've only been half-watching while playing video games.)

also it is our duty before God to post as many pro-Gorillaz-on-Glee comments on that blog post as we can possibly make

No, that storyline has been dropped for now. I am kind of over this show, I only watch for Brittany.

SQUEE! They published my comments! Nuvvieworld!

wtf

"Those songs won't last like the Beatles' by any stretch of their imagination,” he told the AP. “They'll be forgotten in a few years' time."

SAY IT AIN'T SO DAMON

Seriously, artists claiming that they're "above" letting their songs be performed on "Glee" (or "American Idol" or whatever) are like the new "rap is crap" dinosaurs.

SQUEE! They published my comments! Nuvvieworld!

Gleerillaz? You truly evil man.

Gleerillaz is the new Blurillaz.

IT MUST HAPPEN

Seriously, artists claiming that they're "above" letting their songs be performed on "Glee" (or "American Idol" or whatever) are like the new "rap is crap" dinosaurs

ah cmon, the music on glee is pure shite in all fairness.

Just like Allbrans amirite?

Bad analogy perhaps ... I'm not saying that the music isn't bad more often than not, but this attitude about not "selling out" to a show like "Glee" seems totally antiquated.

i haven't seen this show since sectionals (halfway through s1) - got bored of the characters. is it worth catching up on?

I actually prefer some of these tunes to the originals.

^^^ OTM. This week they managed to make "With You I'm Born Again" entertaining!

And Kurt and Rachel's "Happy" mashup was really excellent.

Great episode this week.

got bored of the characters. is it worth catching up on?

I'm not sure there's ever been an episode of "Glee" that had this much character development.

Yes. I loved that. Made up for the fact that I was unfamiliar with most of the songs.

so glad I didn't find out they were doing REM before I saw the episode. I know "Losing My Religion" was a massive hit but O___O all the same.

should start a petition for them to do "Fall On Me"

holy hell, the Glee cast and directors (aside from the kid who plays Finn) really do not understand Rocky Horror

That was a trainwreck. And Mr. Shu is a pedo bear.

NO KIDDING

"It's inappropriate for a student to run around in gold panties on stage... I SHOULD DO IT"

fuck you, Glee writers

http://a.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/46736/GleeRockyHorror_jpg_595x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg

so gross

I wanted to punch everyone related to that episode in the neck

this show is so clearly one of those "starts on fire, burns out fast" phenomenons like 'heroes' imo

big diff is that heroes got all tangled up in story when this show can just do "theme" episodes until the ratings drop

This episode was the first time I've actually experienced the "what the fuck are these people DOING to these songs" reaction

OK, I must be crazy, because I enjoyed the hell out of this.

most of the internet agrees with you

I'm also kind of startled and amazed that most of the internet apparently has never seen Rocky Horror and therefore doesn't realize that pretty much everyone except Finn and John Stamos was really, really terrible at interpreting these songs. Emma's "Touch-A Touch Me" was okay until she tried to sing "dirty" and Mercedes on "Sweet Transvestite" was just wrong on every conceivable level.

Mercedes on "Sweet Transvestite" was just wrong
Why was she not in drag for this song?!

They handwaved a bunch of stuff by saying "oh this is too risque for high school, we need to change some stuff around" and one of those handwaves was putting Mercedes in the surgical outfit a scene too early.

http://-pedowill.tumblr.com/

lol, this is what Puck learnt in Juvie -- playing "One Love" for dollars

what a thrilling episode!

I AM OBSESSED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E46BhMIRujI&feature=player_embedded

lol is this actually what happens in this show? -- good performance anyhow, also ws chris colfer

pretty much, yes.

love how the implicit suggestion of this episode is that adult human beings in the Glee world are also obsessed with the bullshit nonsense minutiae of the Glee Club

"kurt, these last few weeks some things have gone down" *agreeable murmurs from the wedding crowd*

ya, way 2 hijack a fucking grown ass wedding, good-natured teenz

i posted about this in the r&b thread, but since i keep watching it i'll post it here

so r. kelly has been doing a clearly "glee" influenced version of his single "when a woman loves" during promo appearances for his new album

he did it at the end of this opening performance at the soul train awards (don't fall for the fake ending)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p3C7M_yYhw

and also on fallon the other night http://www.mrworldpremiere.net/2010/12/r-kelly-when-woman-loves-jimmy-fallon.html

& i love it

the soul train performance opens w/ a medley, which is why it's 8+ mins

:-O

It just keeps getting better!

sue was the perfect character for a grinch story, but i gotta say, beast stole it.

damn this show is even more incoherent than usual. "now we cut to the all-boys school, where they are singing destiny's child. for some reason."

Think Glee might be my favourite show ever but we're months behind so I'm not reading this thread.

So you don't have a child going - "download it now Dad, I caaaaaaannnnnnnnnn'tttttttttttt wait" ?

I'm a d/ling fascist thanks to our ISPs usage limits.

the guys in this show are really really dumb

and yet if they were smart glee club wouldn't be interesting

so like, i really liked this episode. between this and jim&pam getting drunk on the office a few weeks back, it seems like alcohol is the best way to liven up dull characterization.

blaine's twenty seconds of bisexuality was pretty sloppily done, tho.

I just found out that Kurt/Blaine shippers refer to them as "Kurt CoBlaine."

that is terrible, clearly it should be "blurt."

so i haven't seen this show for weeks but <3 rumours

love Santana singing Songbird

sad they didn't do second hand news tbh

http://www.avclub.com/articles/glee-live-gets-a-3d-movie-extra-exclamation-point,55553/

"Friday" cover was a pretty amazing pop moment. iTunes comments are pretty entertaining.

Ryan Murphy: What I have learned from this season is I think people want story arcs.

i would take the barest semblance of continuity at this point

So, I don't know if the movie PITCH PERFECT deserves its own thread, but it deserves one more than this TV show does.

Cory Monteith (Finn) is dead at the age of 31. http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/glee-star-cory-monteith-dead-at-31-report-1200562546/

whoa

Shit