I'm sorry, but that Justin Timberlake track is garbage

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I've tried very hard to look at the positives of Justin Timberlake's solo effort "Like I Love You", mostly because I like The Neptunes, but his singing on it is horrendous and completely ruins the song. That ill-placed, screechy, punch-me-in-the-nuts-shrieky falsetto is the WORST THING EVER. Even worse is the exercise in cockfarmery wankdom that is the video; "Oooh, look at ME! I'm a DANCER! See, I've got my own thing going on, I'm not trying to recreate my ex-girlfriend's style... HONEST!" His herky-jerky tries-to-be-pop-and-lock-but-ends-up-being-shitty-mcshit dance moves are THE END OF THE WORLD. And GOOD GOD I just want to punch Pharrell in the face at the end of the song; STOP TOUCHING YOUR CHIN, JACKASS. Honestly, this song is driving me insane. I really, really really dislike it; in fact, there's nothing redeemable I can find about it. The snares are far too reverbed, the synth line at the end is just stupid, the chorus is weak, the verses are weak, and OH MY GOD SOMEONE STOP JUSTIN FROM SINGING.

Having said all that, it's better than the Nick Carter song, which I think is actually the Apocalypse in a funny moustache.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

haha you're alex in NYC!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

When I saw the thread title I thought of dear old Alex sitting spluttering his nightly Bud, yes.

It's a bit creepy, isn't it? "Don't worry, it's only Justin" - ew get away from me you permy beast! I'm kind of amazed, given that Thriller remains the biggest-selling thing ever ever, that nobody apart from Rockwell and Green Gartside has tried to rip Jacko this blatantly until now. So points for finding a niche but the song is a shrug.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, i was underwhelmed.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree that the excessive use of falsetto is a big turn-off....but i like the bit where Pharrell (presumably) shouts 'HEY!'

i was going to do a Taking Sides: 'Like I Love You' vs Jordan Knight 'Give It To You' but questioned the point

as for ripping off Jacko's style...have you heard Kelis' 'Roller Rink'? - it really sounds like Jacko is singing the verses on that one

― blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

It's as much the dancing and the hat though!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

The Clipse's bit is good but too late in the song to make a difference.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

The sad thing is that he's trying SO HARD to be Michael Jackson but he looks SO MUCH like Britney Spears. And I cannot stress how GODAWFUL his singing is; if he's going to show off his falsetto, couldn't he, like, hit a note or something rather than squawking like a newly-neutered rooster?

The big difference between Justin Timberlake and Jordan Knight is that Jordan can still sing.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan, you novice!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Ya'll suck...go listen to arto lindsay...

"like i love you" is the fuckin best track of the year losaz

― geeg, Monday, 28 October 2002 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Geeg: You are on on crack and so is yo mama. No disrespect intended.

My wife mentioned off-hand how much better the song would have been if Usher had sang it and I can only agree, seeing as Usher actually supports his sound and would better fill the empty space in the backing track.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

dan- i reach these sorts of conclusions without even hearing the track.

isn't that grebt!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

the dancing is really great, i think. who dances better? name one person who can dance better! it's not britney. she can't dance at all. he might - might! - be copying some of her moves but he pulls them off like crazy.

all of the falsetto bits are good. and the creaky bits where his voice is all cracking and stuff. it's sexy, you see.

the clipse guy's verse in the middle, too. it's so great.

it might be kind of weak, for the reasons you said, i guess. but that's what makes it so great. and it's justin timberlake and this is his first try at this kind of thing. you don't understand him. wait for the album! and the rest of the singles. they will tell the whole story. the j timberlake story.

timbaland! that one producer guy who everyone likes. he did a thing for the album! you know?

please give justin a chance to prove himself.

― d k (d k), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

There are undigested bits of food in Arto Lindsay's stool that are a thousand times more talented than the rancid bag of spooge that is Justin Timberlake.

Usher's a twerp as well.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I really want to like it more after d k's post!

(If you were being sarcastic d k I hate you.)

(But I probably won't like it more.)

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan's description totally makes me want to hear the song!! (i haven't yet - i live in a cave)

― geeta (geeta), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

''the dancing is really great, i think. who dances better?''

in the days when i used to watch pop on TV jacko was good dancer.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Why does the dancing matter?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan, there is an instrumental.

I actually like the singing. it's very controlled and tight.

also, dk is my fave poster

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Cause it's part of the package if you're watching the video or a TV performance Alex. It makes as little sense to take the music on its own in those circs as it would if you were watching a ballet.

It doesn't matter if you're listening to the radio or buying the CD. Come on this is basic stuff!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)

You know who's Jacko rip I actually like better: Jimmy Fallon.

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 28 October 2002 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno if that ballet comparison makes sense because of course the track exists independent of the performance/video...you hear the track before you see the video and you can judge it on its own merits after all

and you cant diss Justin for dancing like Britney - they've been together most of their lives and have the same goals and presumably the same ideas as a result - its hardly bad dancing in any case

― blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Tight singing is massively unhealthy and a total dud.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah alex. you watch videos don't ya? MTV and all that.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 October 2002 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

i. I have never seen The Nutcracker but I know loads of the tunes from it I'm sure.

ii. I think a substantial proportion of the pop audience nowadays don't always or even often "hear the track first".

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I do, actually.....though I'm not quite sure why anymore.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 October 2002 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I think a substantial proportion of the pop audience nowadays don't always or even often "hear the track first"

I think all modern music should first be encountered through the video with the volume on mute.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 October 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

well yeh i SAW and HEARD the Timberlake track at the same time but the music is not a vehicle for his dancing is it?

oh wait..it is!

― blueski, Monday, 28 October 2002 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

d k is painfully OTM and so is Tom re:dancing; no-one's said 'DRUMS!!!' yet because the novelty has worn off, but someone is about to mention the 'everybody dance' bit where the track fades out into non-danceable silence genius. The falsetto bits are achingly beautiful, angular, and seminal. The 'it's a Wacko perv' crit surely can't apply; it's too obv. to be a perv, it must be something else; I'm not quite sure what it is though.

― david h (david h), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Bring back Corey Feldman!

― Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"The falsetto bits are achingly beautiful, angular, and seminal."

....if you're on Crack.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, the falsetto bits remind me lots of Gang of Four's 'Entertainment'.

― david h (david h), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

dp is otm on the snare sound. ruins the whole song for me. whats the deal with the real reverb-ed out snares in alot of the production these days? in other news i saw Jackass the movie on friday and sitting in front of me was J TImberlake with his date A Milano!!! (ilx name dropper thread stuff)

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, the falsetto bits remind me lots of Gang of Four's 'Entertainment'.

The falsetto bits remind me of the part in "The Serpent And The Rainbow" when the main character gets a nail driven through his scrotum.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:36 (twenty-three years ago)

(BTW, from henceforth I shall only refer to Justin Timberlake as "The Permy Beast".)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:38 (twenty-three years ago)

a nail driven through his scrotum

Yes, yes, this is what I'm getting at.

― david h (david h), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

(Also: I was just trying to stick some unexploded ordinance in Alex's craw.)

― david h (david h), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

''haha, the falsetto bits remind me lots of Gang of Four's 'Entertainment'.''

careful david, you're provoking alex NYC.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

that The Samiad aka Usher would sing and dance this really well and it would like make him a legend and pay off his career of MJ ripoffs etc etc makes it all the sweeter that JT is singing it. what's ya wish NOW sand boy! you fail to understand that perfect technique does not good pop make. all hail!

i will always take noreaga over krs one

― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

you fail to understand that perfect technique does not good pop make.

You fail to understand that a good production team cannot turn a piece of shit into good pop.

i will always take noreaga over krs one

There is no parallel here; KRS-One is (or has been in the past) a self-important idiot who thought he was much deeper and intelligent than he actually was, while N.O.R.E just wants us all to party. Give me a Noreaga track ANY DAY.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"the bo-dy's/good business/sell-outs maintain the interest"

― bob zemko (bob), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I hear this on thee radio quite a lot. I think it has been a-listed perhaps. I like the pushy-sounding beatz, & I try to concentrate on them whilst the rekkid is on, because I think the rest of it is utter rubbish. The singing, as noted above (somewhere) is really, really horrible. The lyrix seem a bit creepy to me as well. Plus, there's this bit where he seems to sing "here baby, hold my jacket". Does he really sing that? Is it some kind ov euphemism? It sounds realld stupid. I think this rekkid is DUD.

― N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 28 October 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually the jacket bit is the best bit. I assume it needs to be held cos he's about to do some absurdly complex darnce move.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, yes, "DRUMZ!", but also the little electro melody just before it, and "HEY!", and the loaded "Hoah!" and the Clipse verse, and the tense opening strum, and the way the high falsetto suddenly bursts out for no reason at all... this song is pure dynamic. Quality or otherwise sorta becomes a moot point.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Dancing shmancing!

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:49 (twenty-three years ago)

The song might be shithouse (although I like it enough to have gamely attempted to segue it into Calexico's "Crystal Frontier" last Friday), but this article's pretty funny and OTM, all at the same time!

http://www.popjustice.com/oct27/timberlake.htm

And if our stars can't inspire ruthless pisstaking, what're they good for eh? I ask you.

― Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

You know, you think about it
Sometimes people just destined
Destined to do what they do
And that's what it is
Now everybody dance

In other words, Tim is OTM.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:29 (twenty-three years ago)

this song was written by pharrell to britney

justin's precise dance moves = mostly voguing

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim, Nicole: YOU ARE MAD. But I still love y'all with your crazy selves.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)

All of you are my Gore Vidal fantasy.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 04:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to back up Dan here. It's a beautiful madness you both have, though, but you'll be crying when the inevitable ballads come out and you just want to pierce your eardrums.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 04:42 (twenty-three years ago)

well I just heard a a bootleg of it here Like I love You vs Meet me at the Love Parade Da Hool.

and its f*cking terrible.

― bootyboy, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 05:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha who said we were, like, pledging allegiance to Justin Timberlake???

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 07:12 (twenty-three years ago)

(If nothing else, this thread should disprove the "There is an ILM hivemind!" argument...)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

A very good thing! We must increase the hate along with the love. ;-)

Ha who said we were, like, pledging allegiance to Justin Timberlake???

Are you now or have you ever been...? (Full 'disclosure' -- I NEVER liked N'Sync, an utter glop disaster without redemption. Backstreets any day if the choice came down to it, and "Pop" is the soundtrack of Satan and his minions.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm not keen on j.t. because he's funny looking and britney's lovely but i think it's an ace record.

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

"''haha, the falsetto bits remind me lots of Gang of Four's 'Entertainment'.''......careful david, you're provoking alex NYC."

I'm trying not to be so predictable......and failing.

DIE, BLASPHEMER!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

but 'Pop' was the track that made me go 'dam thats great production' when i was still more of the 'all this lot are evil' persuasion...this softened the blow of the impact of 'I'm A Slave 4 U' soon after tho that was still a real sensation because it heralded the age of teenpop sounding just as cool as the hip hop in the charts (because they shared the same producers) - for me anyway

― blueski, Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

'NSync had their moments ("Bye Bye Bye", "Gone", "Girlfriend", "It's Gonna Be Me" if I'm in the right mood and I've managed to skip Justin's verse), but Justin is just so WRONG on "Like I Love You" that I can't deal. He should leave the falsetto singing to Chris.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"Bye Bye Bye"

EURGH. I stand by my contention that a great song for five seconds was ruined by the quavering jello voices that proceeded to slather themselves all over it. Assholes. And sorry Blueski, "Pop" is the sound of a band aiming for relevance and deserving to be kicked brutally for it. Eric Clapton would have done a better job. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

nothing should be left for Chris, now you made the wrong step Dan

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris is a much better falsettist than Justin (he kind of has to be, since that's his role in the group). I don't understand why the guys with the worst voices in Backstreet and 'NSync (Nick and Justin) are the most popular vocalists from both groups.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

''I don't understand why the guys with the worst voices in Backstreet and 'NSync (Nick and Justin) are the most popular vocalists from both groups''

THIS AIN'T ABT TECHNIQUE PUNK!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm looking forward to the album, the single is fine really, a touch unformed though, it doesn't really seem to get going - when is the chorus gonna kick in? Never? - but I like it enough. Not as much as 'Girfriend' I grant you, but for now, it'll do.
I haven't even seen he video, for what it's worth. In fact I never see videos. You rich kids and yer EmmTeeVees!

― DavidM (DavidM), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

i luv the album. the bootyshaker to ballad ratio is a bit too low for my taste but i've warmed up well to the slower songs. the music is mostly great and his voice is exactly the sort i like to hear in pop music. justified is not as undeniable as i'd hoped, though - i've only found a few of the songs in my head after listening to it a week: "last night", the timbaland tracks, "senorita", and "rock your body" in particular. the latter seems the most retro-mj to me and it had better be a single cuz the girl in it sounds hot. the video in my head looks nice.

as for "like i love you" - i still like hearing it a few times a day. maybe his voice is too much cut-up flash, though - too many changes/parts and not enough real quality - maybe... a four or five minute intro to an incomplete song? good enough for me. the album tracks go down a lot smoother.

― brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

did that last line sound as bad as i think? yes, i do want to make babies with j-tim...

― brian badword (badwords), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

"cry me a river" is real purty. listen to that gentle speak-n-spell rhythm giant warbling into nothingness at the end!

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

"but 'Pop' was the track that made me go 'dam thats great production' when i was still more of the 'all this lot are evil' persuasion...this softened the blow of the impact of 'I'm A Slave 4 U' soon after tho that was still a real sensation because it heralded the age of teenpop sounding just as cool as the hip hop in the charts (because they shared the same producers) - for me anyway"

This entire paragraph really depresses me. Sorry Blueski, but it does.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

why tim? cos you think i'm naive in saying that (in fact i shouldve said 'it heralded teenpop being perceived as just as cool as the hip hop in the charts by the general zeitgeist/media) or because the Neptunes are prepared to produce pop for papes in their quest for greatness and you consider that a lack of integrity?

its not like i went and bought or downloaded 'Pop' anyway - i have no desire to own and listen to that or 'Like I Love You' but i see it on TV and hear it on radio and it doesnt piss me off (well the latter does cos of that screechy falsetto), its more likely to make me nod my head and tap my foot or something - this is purely down to the Neps production skills as i dont get anything else out of the songs (i.e. the lyrics and messages mean shit to me)

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

oop, i should point out i know the Neptunes didnt produce pop...can someone confirm it was Brian Transeau (which is even more amazing) as i heard?

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

The lyrics and the messages always mean shit to me.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

(unless they stand out as being terrible)

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

No Blueski - it's that you waited for BT and "I'm A Slave 4 U" to like pop. Did you hear nothing of value in any of Britney's earlier singles?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

THIS AIN'T ABT TECHNIQUE PUNK!

Therein lies the problem. (On the plus side, this means that they're accelerating down the Joe Cocker/Rod Stewart path to vocal ruin, although hopefully without throat cancer.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

you have to have a 'certain' amount of ability becuz the listening public can detect it.

but it doesn't matter if you haven't got amazing vocals.

don't see it as a problem.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

i just realised the real reason for all the hate here for Like ILY is cos it sounds just like "The Blood" (*Dan bursts several blood vessels*)

― zebedee, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Or, Ronan, if they are real creepy, like in this song, and Craig David's new one.

― David H(owie) (David H(owie)), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

It sounds like an incoherent, badly-mauled version of "The Blood" with screechier vocals. If you are a male singer and you screech more than ROBERT SMITH, you are doing something wrong.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

''If you are a male singer and you screech more than ROBERT SMITH, you are doing something wrong.''

dan- what do u think of keiji haino?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim i didnt care for Britney or N Sync's stuff at all until the two aforementioned singles in question - but this idea that I waited for them to come out before liking pop is absurd. granted i'm still getting used to the idea that its not just kids, non-angst-ridden teenagers and kitsch gay guys who like that kinda thing (hey this was a big shock to me 3 years ago ;) but for fucks sake there's more to pop, even manufactured pop, then this kind of stuff - i still see a world of difference between them and the Pet Shop Boys, St Etienne and even Moloko (all of whom i've liked for years due to their ability to craft a quirky, catchy pop track if nothing else) yet they all qualify as pop music just as much Britney and co...and i still think that as a reserved and deep-thinking mid 20s white heterosexual male its hardly depressing if i find nothing of value in boy bands, pop queens and such generally - whats more, all the early Britney singles were as over-rated as fuck and she's got noticeably better in my opinion since finally putting out to Justin - so thar

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

by deep-thinking i mean i worry about impending nuclear war as well as pondering the merits of manufactured pop of course ;)

― blueski, Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

dan- what do u think of keiji haino?

Never heard him.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

The song needs a better singer than Justin - I like the suggestion of Usher although this might be too weird for him - but I'm still convinced it's a good song (proof: I try to sing along with Justin's wacky falsetto).

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

quality aside, i was very disappointed when i finally heard the 'drums' part after all the bleating on that other thread. who did this do it for, again?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

should i stir up the ilx race tension of late by highlighting the word "white" (amongst other potentially troubling definitions of the pop/non-pop audience) in blueski's post? no i think i better not.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Geeg: You are on on crack and so is yo mama. No disrespect intended.
Oh PUH LEEZ. Geeg doesn't need drugs as he gets off on the musique. heh. Obv it is CLASSIQUE: it's about Justin Timberlake begging his fans to let him grow up, like Michael Jackson when he was dancing Off The Wall. He's in control - "Drums!" - but at the same time he's fully aware he's placing his fate in his fans' hands. We (the fans and Justin) both need eachother. It's oh so meta-pop like "I'm a slave for you" was. And I quite ADORE Arto Lindsay though his last performance was a bit too *messy* (which alienated the attendants who had never heard of No New York).

― nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

it's about Justin Timberlake begging his fans to let him grow up

And thus the coke-fuelled downfall begins. Heh heh heh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

he smoked weed with Nelly = it's all over but the shouting

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Something that struck me tonight - what if all that 11-year 66/77/88/99 cycle stuff was RIGHT and that gorgeous spangly teenpop WAS the big cyclical generation-shift thing "we" had been waiting for and that we muffed the signs (a la Silver Chair) and now it's all going horribly wrong...

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 1 November 2002 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, time to start reconstructing the golden age and selling it back to people, then. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

ok... just saw JT perform this live on TRL and i must say the track is MUCH better live! he's got la funk guys as his band.. Fish Fisher from Fishbone on drums!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

! On the one hand that's wonderful, on the other hand how does Fisher keep from sharpening his drumsticks and throwing them straight through Timberlake's shiny little heart?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 23:46 (twenty-three years ago)

they seem to have a good relationship on stage. JT stands in front of Fish before each song and they laugh. on the "drums!" part he says "Fish.. break it down." then i blacked out.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Good fuckin' Lord! Someone tell that guy who started the Fishbone thread a few days ago. He'll have a heart attack.

Still, I've heard of worse cases of "oh how the mighty have fallen." Paul Raven of Killing Joke actually had to play with Belinda Carlisle for a while (before re-joining the Joke, then quitting again, then joining Prong etc.)

Still, playing drums behind Justin Timberlake....who wasn't even a fetus when Fishbone's jaw-droping eponymous debut e.p. was released, is a sad, sad state of affairs indeed.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:41 (twenty-three years ago)

The rest of the album is mostly better though Dan if you don't like his voice you still won't like it.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, i dont think its such a bad thing! Fish plays the hell out of the drums and works well with this new "crazy neptunes produced for live band" sound. I would love to play bass for JT. Those songs would be a blast! Fishbone was Res' back up band on her first album btw.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 00:59 (twenty-three years ago)

like whats the difference in Fish playing with JT or Flaming Lips playing with Beck or Tom Verlaine playing with Mathew Sweet or Jim O'rourke playing with SY or Dave Lombardo playing with Mike Patton?

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:03 (twenty-three years ago)

"I would love to play bass for JT."

I'd like to hit JT with a bass.

"Fishbone was Res' back up band on her first album, btw."

Yeah, but Res can sing!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

"like whats the difference in Fish playing with JT or Flaming Lips playing with Beck or Tom Verlaine playing with Mathew Sweet or Jim
O'rourke playing with SY or Dave Lombardo playing with Mike Patton?"

Standards, Chaki. Playing with teen poppers like the reprehensable Justin Timberlake may help pay the electric bill, but it hardly enhances one's credibility.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:07 (twenty-three years ago)

standards?! exactly! JT has raised his standards by playing with dope ass musicians where as Beck's standards are obviously lower!

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 05:40 (twenty-three years ago)

JT has raised his standards by playing with dope ass musicians

Pity he still has the voice of a CASTRATED EUNUCH SUCKING HELIUM. Who is trying to be 'manly' to boot. DIE DIE DIE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ned, you've fallen into self-parody!

― boxcubed (boxcubed), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:43 (twenty-three years ago)

a lot of hatorade is being drunk up in here. a lot of it.

― d k (d k), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 06:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I think he's sexy. Now. And I never think boys are sexy. I think the way he sings is sexy in the way girls are usually sexy - 'I've only got one way to please you ...' - it's unusual for a boy.

― Hugo Retort, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 07:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Justin is a good singer and its good that he's trying to keep Michael Jackson alive in his voice and dancing, he's just like Usher another Michael Jackson wannabe, at least when Michael Jackson dies his legacy will live on between these two pop stars

― Quikmove, Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Does that mean that Usher will become white and Justins surgically modified to resemble a woman?

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

"surgically modified"? (I'm sorry, cheap shot.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

"Justin is a good singer..."

No, actually, he's not.

"....and its good that he's trying to keep Michael Jackson alive in his voice and dancing...."

No, sorry, that's not good either, actually. In fact, it's bad. Even if you *LIKE* Michael Jackson (which -- SURPRISE -- I don't), it's bad. We already have a Michael Jackson (unfortnately), why do we need another? We can't Justin find his own style?

"....he's just like Usher another Michael Jackson wannabe,"

I'll give you that one.

"at least when Michael Jackson dies his legacy will live on between these two pop stars."

By saying that, you are equating their talents -- asserting that Justin and/or Usher's work will fill the much-needed voided that Michael Jackson's untimely demise will create. As much as I loathe Michael Jackson, I can at least spot his (ever-diminishing) talent and recognize its originality, whereas Justin and Usher are merely appropriating, making their efforts that much more reprehensible.

Good lord, did I just defend Michael Jackson? Time for some coffee.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

That, incidentally, should be "WHY can't Justin find his own style." My spelling is going the way of all flesh.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

"Justin is a good singer..."

No, actually, he's not.

As if EVER that was relevant in Pop music.

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Usher is really only aping Michael Jackson on the dancing front, though; he's got a very different vocal style. ("U Got It Bad" may be the slow jam of the year.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

ned, you've fallen into self-parody!

How can I fall into something where I already was?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

am i the only one here who doesn't think he's a particularly bad singer at all?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Probably not.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

So, I just saw the vid for this again -- does the boy have some sort've endorsement deal with 7-11 or something? He's hanging out in the parking lot of a 7-11....WEARING A 7-11 T-SHIRT, for chrissakes!

Back in my day, only acne-speckled stoners in Iron Maiden t-shirts hung out in 7-11 parking lots. MUST THEY TAKE EVERYTHING FROM US? Damn kids....

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 08:58 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

This thread makes me very, very happy.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

shitty-mcshit

I do love this adjective, Dan! good show!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Clipse and J. Timberlake... now how heavy is that?

uh... not heavy at all?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haha

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I like how no one said boo about the fucking-horrible-mommy-make-it-stop badness of the Aaron Carter single.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is the nadir of human civilisation.

Justin is with McDonalds now. Hate him and you are fighting the golden arches. There can be no victory.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, this thread is frustrating. I hate it.

― billstevejim, Monday, 12 January 2004 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Ba-ba-ba-dah-dah, I'm hatin' it.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

:-D

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I spewed out all that above vitriol before I was seduced by the slithering groove of "Cry Me A River" alas.

I do still hate "Like I Love You", though.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is great, but I still love the tune.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't really hate it either, I just felt a need to invoke the Mcdonalds jingle.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It was kinda nice to hear a huge pop song with acoustic drums on it.

(/ rockist)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a great song!

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan was so wrong on this thread. "Like I Love You" is a classic song.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

dan...wrong?!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

dan...wrong?!

....does....not....compute.....

*explodes*

― ILM Robot (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It was nice of him to apologize in the thread title though.

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

This song was such a monster especially in a club, people would run to the floor...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

before I was seduced by the slithering groove of "Cry Me A River" alas.

You poor soul. (My views remain UNCHANGED YOU CLOTH-EARED MOR...wait, that's rude. *coughs*)

This song was such a monster especially in a club, people would run to the floor...

...for me to poop on.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure everyone appreciated that Ned!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Woo!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

ned, die.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I went to clubs that played Timberlake.

I wish I went to clubs.

Poop jokes rule.

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.deathlord.net/website%20images/wil.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

dan...wrong?!

haha the shock was the only reason to even mention it!

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

why is ally killing larrt flynt in that picture?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Strange times up at the Hustler Mansion.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha!

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Lovely thread, thought it referred to the NEW JT track, which is really awful and jerky. 'LILY' is class though. Fortunately I never pledged allegiance.

― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

This song, video, performance inspired me to start learning to be a better dancer. Everyone at uni would look for me to dance when this track came on. I watched the video over and over. I was one with Justin's (narrowly) best song, and I ended up loving Off The Wall and Thriller even more than I thought possible.

Still, Usher has to kick his ass. JT took so much from him, right down to the older woman.

This thread is madshit genius.

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Any negative observ.s on the McDonald's Song are otm, though the girl in the video is buff.

― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan was so wrong on this thread. "Like I Love You" is a classic song.

The Beatles/Rolling Stones/Bob Dylan/Led Zepplin/Prince/Aretha Franklin/Elvis Presley/Beach Boys/[canonical artist that has reached "classic" status who still has vocal, dismissive critics' to thread.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

hey justin just keeping doin your thang boo don't listen to all the hataz my girl kim thinks you fine as hell you can justify my thug anytime

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

To the UK: Justin HATES you (link updates regularly so I shall also cut and paste):

TIMBERLAKE PUNCHED IN THE FACE
Pop star Justin Timberlake was punched in the face by a fan as he walked into his end-of-tour party in London on Sunday.

The hunky singer was reportedly hit as he entered the Rex Club in Soho following the last date in his British tour, so he refused to come out and meet his many female fans waiting outside the venue for fear he would again be assaulted.

A source says, "All the girls were outside waiting for him and someone went to ask his people if he was coming out to sign autographs.

"One of his minders came out and said that Justin wouldn't be coming out. He said someone had hit him in the face as he went inside. Apparently he got a real crack as he walked in the place and he was worried he might get attacked again."

Inside the venue Justin told reporters, "It is just crazy over here in Britain, I f-- hate coming over here."

I knew that airline pass would come in handy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Let. it. go.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Dan's last post says all that needs be said on the matter!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I should look up every Cure thread right now to restate with no elaboration how much they annoy me.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

But it's a Justin hate thread!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicole, am I allowed to pour hatorade on The Cure in your Cure hate thread even if I don't actually hate them?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

*scratches chin* Heck, maybe even I could join in. Damn pasty English bastards making me spend my money!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not fun if you're not pained by it Ned.

Maybe a Chameleons hate thread.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Justin told reporters, "It is just crazy over here in Britain, I f-- hate coming over here."

Am I the only one who's really cut up about that? *cries into tea and crumpets*

― Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe a Chameleons hate thread.

Badly dressed pretentious gits. To hell with 'em!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I now have a mental image of someone setting out tea and crumpets solely to have something to cry into.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

(And back on topic, "I'm Lovin' It" is a horrific return to YEEEEEEEEEECH after releasing two singles that I actually liked. So yeah, that NEW JT song suck gigantic donkey balls.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.dragonninja.com/bbc/Lostprophets_-_Cry_Me_A_River_(Justin_Timberlake_Cover).mp3

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

bah try this

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow. I guess this confirms that the problem I have with "Cry Me A River" actually has nothing to do with JT and everything to do with the song.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoa.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, the idea JT could hate the UK is so funny considering his addiction to Bond Street. Even my dad recognised him flouncing around Gucci last month.

― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I could be reacting to the fact that dude sounds HORRIBLE singing it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, Dan sounds just like Randy Jackson in that last post!

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yo dawg, that wasn't good, yo. But hey, you did your thing.

― Randy Jackson (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

*thinks to self 'Randy Jackson?', googles*

Hm. So what's he like, then?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Everytime I see someone refer to Timberlake as "JT" here, I think of the lead singer of Kool & the Gang.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

So what's he like, then?

He refers to people "dude" and "dawg" a lot. "dude sounds HORRIBLE singing it" sounds very Randy Jackson, except Dan probably should have thrown in a reference to his work with Whitney and Mariah.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yo dawg, when I recorded "Dream Lover" with Mariah, she was just KILLIN' it, dude. She did her thing! Now, I didn't love the song, but you did your thing, so it's all good. Next time pick a different song, dawg.

― Randy Jackson (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

justin temberlake is so fine so i don't argree with yall!

― cheyenne wright, Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck bees

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 21 February 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

You'll get stung if you do that

― Aja (aja), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheyenne, clearly you didn't read all the JT supporting comments!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Timberlake is rubbish and ugly.

― the blissfox, Saturday, 21 February 2004 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

JT is getting boring, after this past year.

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 21 February 2004 12:36 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

fuck justin timberlake. he is a fag. pop sucks. hip hop sucks. rap sucks. bullshit corporate rock sucks. Hardcore, thrash, punk(no I don't mean good fucking charlette)and heavy metal is the only cool music these days. fuck mtv too.

― david jenson, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, thanks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

But Ned he's on your side! Sorta.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Sasha from Monash uses so many pseudonyms, doesn't he?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

But Ned he's on your side! Sorta.

I have my grave doubts.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the only thing wrong with Sir Perry's initial critique is 'the drums are far too reverbed', because such a thing is impossible.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Dan's "apocalypse with a funny moustache" line, except if it was actually that then I'd probably enjoy it, like I do "Like I Love You," which is clunky in the most endearing way, personally.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

though I am happy that Usher's new singles are pistol-whipping the shit out JT's stuff.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Its "URsher."

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah, "Burn" is paint-by-numbers R&B balladry, guaranteed only to get panties droppin'. I'm warming up to "Yeah!," but it's no "Senorita" - and that's a shame.

― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

But who cares about Usher on "Yeah"? It's all about Lil' Jon. It just goes to show how undynamic Usher is.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all about Lil' Jon.

This statement is the Apocalypse in a silver thong.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck justin timberlake.
A threesome with him and Cameron? *ponders* No, thanks.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

The Perry strikes!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Regarding Lil' Jon: Exactly how loathesome and irritating do you have to be to make Jermaine Dupri seem palatable?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

WHHHAT?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I sense the storm clouds gathering. (I'll have to differ with Dan in that I liked "Get Low" when I heard it, but have heard nothing else from him to my knowledge.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

OKAAAAYYY

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/images/us/local/products/productsall/p92406b.jpg

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I like "Get Low" too, but I really really really am irritated by Lil' John. He is nu-Ja Rule only without the preliminary non-irritating period.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The diff is Lil Jon is self-aware, makes good music, and makes me laugh.

Ja Rule is an idiot who doesn't know he's an idiot, makes shit music, and sucks.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"Always On Time" >>> "Get Low" (admittedly not by much)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(Spot the rhetorical contradiction!)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

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