Would you make out with Avril Lavigne?

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I know I would. She seems fun to be around. I'm 22. Is that OK?

― Famous Athlete, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Coulier to thread!

― James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:38 (twenty-three years ago)

i wouldn't, she's too skinny and looks like a rat. Gimme Kelly Osbourne any day

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:40 (twenty-three years ago)

what Jim said!

Avril is hot in a wouldn't-wanna-touch-her way; maybe it's cuz I'm 28.

Oh wait, Kelly is younger than Avril!!

Whatever. Gimme Kelly.

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't make out with anyone, anywhere, but I do want to note that "looking like a rat" is actually sort of my favorite thing about Avril.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)

rats in ties: this year's fat girls in party hats

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:02 (twenty-three years ago)

James Blount, that was comedy gold.

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd be too scared shes chewing gum

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:15 (twenty-three years ago)

She was described to me as the attractive, adolescent, Alanis. They were right about the adolescent bit, god she mings.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:44 (twenty-three years ago)

To reitterate:

http://www.kissfm.com/timages/page/avril/images/P1010005_jpg.jpg

http://www.kissfm.com/timages/page/avril/images/P1010007_jpg.jpg

Although I must point out that judging someone on their physical appearance is a very shallow and base action.

Fun though

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:07 (twenty-three years ago)

and completely relevant if we're talking about making out here..

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:09 (twenty-three years ago)

It's truly amazing what a little liquid eyeliner can do.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes. Just to say I did.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:20 (twenty-three years ago)

She was described to me as the attractive, adolescent, Alanis.

Alanis wasn't attractive as a teen either. Go find You Can't Do That On Television clips if you want. I still dont think shes attractive now.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm glad nobody wonders why there's like five female posters on ILM.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I certainly didn't.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:44 (twenty-three years ago)

ok - who's the male Avril Lavigne? This thredd needs balancing, and pronto.

― Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:45 (twenty-three years ago)

rubber man out of the vines

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh what the hell, I'd do it.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh right, all of you, show me the girl you made out with when you were 17 who looked so much better than the awful-Avril pictures.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:51 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, I was going to post a rude response until I realized Avril IS better looking than the only girl I made out with when I was 17.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd make out with her on the condition that I always get the pick the music. Har.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Avril ain't a patch on the gorgeous teen model I got with when I was 17...ahem.

somewhat remarkably, everyone told her she looked like a younger version of this young lady

http://www.claim.cine.nl/jpgs/pics/louise%20colors.jpg

mind you, looking at the pic, maybe history is playing tricks with my head.

― Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Kelly is older than Avril.

― man, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Can we turn this into Taking Sexual Sides - Avril vs Kelly?

I go with Kelly.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't, and I'm sure the feeling is reciprocated.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

http://haxor.slashgod.net/albums/diediedie/ade.jpg

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

re: avril
http://tombotte.com/fark/hit_it_crouch_tom84.jpg

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

OMG - Female in No-Makeup Photo Shocker! How dare she?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!

― toraneko (toraneko), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I would not, just to say that I didn't.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:07 (twenty-three years ago)

There *is* no male equivalent of Avril. And it's a sick symptom of a sexist world that this is so. Maybe the closest equivalent is, like Busted or something. In which case the answer would still be NO.

― kate, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

And it's a sick symptom of a sexist world that this is so.

Kneejerk faux-feminist BOLLOCKS, Kate, and secretly you know it. No boy would presume they'd be able to get away with being so blatantly contrived and whiney as a solo artist, especially when there are so many girls queueing up to do precisely that. Boys are way too pathetic to stand up and whine on their own - they need a band behind them to back them up, if only in their swollen heads.

― Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, just so i could throw up in her stupid little mouth.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

These girls do NOT exist in a vacuum, Charlie. They are there because there is a demand for them. Women are trained from an early age by a sexist society and a sexist music industry and a sexist press to learn that being the sexy singer chick is the only way they're going to get on the radio. So that's what they do. Maybe boys are conditioned in the same way into doing something else, but bloody hell, there's a lot more options open to them.

Why do you assume that women are doing this to THEMSELVES when this is the only way that they are taught by example, and the only way that they are let through?

Find me a male Avril. Find me a female Vines. Then we'll talk. You can't? I rest my case.

― kate, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Boys are way too pathetic to stand up and whine on their own

Dashboard Confessional to thread!

Find me a male Avril.

Conor Oberst?

Find me a female Vines.

Sahara Hotnights?

Fuck if I know^TM.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)

The female Avril? That dweeb from "Dashboard Confessional," surely.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Why did I put Dashbaord Confessional in quotes?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Find me a male version of any female on the planet or vice versa, nothing is interchangeable by sexuality.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Funny, because I thought of Conor when posting my rant. But then agian, I've not heard Bright Eyes, so I couldn't make the comparison.

To me, bands like Sahara Hotnights (and The Donnas) are the exceptions that prove the rule, in that it is WEIRD and NOTABLE and a USP that they are all-girl RAWK bands while no one ever stands up and goes "WOW! Look! An ALL-GUY RAWK band!"

Anyway, I am derailing this silly thread with ranting. Would I make out with Avril? She's not my type. Would I make out with the guy from The Vines? Nah, not my type, and besides, when dealing with pretty boy whiners from crap pseudo-punk bands, my heart belongs with Julian. So there.

― kate, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Find me a male Avril. Find me a female Vines. Then we'll talk. You can't? I rest my case.

Surely The Moffats and Backstreet Boys, 98 Degreez, NSync owned that area when they started.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

i think the dashboard dude counts

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Male Avril = Ben Lee
Female Vines = The Donnas

or better yet

Male Avril = David Cassidy

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Find me a male Avril.

Plenty of solo male artist munters out there if you look hard enough.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Ben Kweller?

― Wyndham Earl, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i find avril lavigne to be quite a fox.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

untalented like a fox!

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.kissfm.com/timages/page/avril/images/P1010005_jpg.jpg

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~pajala/neil.gif

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmm...that really is a hideous photo, but my fox remark still stands. we all have our off-days, don't we?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

well, the female Vines is aussie all-girl band Lash. Almost literally, as they share a management and production company, and have a similar level of talent.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't know if this is the proper Avril thread to bring this up in, but it's the most recent so here we go- check out this account of an interview with Ms. Lavigne: yikes

I'm undecided on whether this makes her more attractive or not.

― Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

that interview was bizarre. why did chet healy start crying? he's obviously not a very hardened journo!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I would cry if I faced such a harsh rejection from Avril. I'm not a hardened journo though.

― Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:09 (twenty-three years ago)

was it the strength of her grip? or was he upset at her rudeness? or both? it's a bit bizarre either way. i've e-mailed him already. what are the chances of him responding, do you reckon?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

male avril lavigne's: Good Charlotte. Who even have the "Sk8terboi" counterpart "Riot Girl" that should be their next single.

If I wasn't dating somebody, I'd even go out with Avril. Probably even try to be her new creepy manager-boyfriend like so many singers have/need.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

"Would you make out with Avril Lavgine?"

The words "hate fuck" come to mind.

― Motel Hell (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Women are trained from an early age by a sexist society and a sexist music industry and a sexist press to learn that being the sexy singer chick is the only way they're going to get on the radio

so there are no female singers on the radio with any authentic talent?

there is no 1 male avril, instead there are groups of male avrils.

and i find kelly extreemly hard on the eyes. and ears. so i'd havta pick avril, even the one in the above shots.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

kelly kelly kelly kelly kelly. no question. i would definitely never make out with avril.

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm, if that article is even half true, more reason to hate Lavigne, what a bully.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

even if that guy did ask her better questions, i doubt she'd have anything enlightening to say in reply.

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 00:40 (twenty-three years ago)

White Men are trained from an early age by a conformist society and a boring music industry and a moronic press to learn that being the cardboard rocker dude is the only way they're going to get on the radio

Black Men are trained from an early age by a closeminded society and a bigoted music industry and a sycophantic press to learn that being the confrontationalist rapper thug is the only way they're going to get on the radio

Etc. Etc. Etc.

If you change the goal to something other than 'get on the radio', 'win a Grammy' or 'win an MTV music video award', then it doesn't really matter. If a person wants to be a popstar and get on the radio, so be it. I personally have no interest in having my music broadcast by that gang of shitforlips urine bubbles who read HITS.

― Tom Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

you guys are all going to jail,,,,, she's only 17

you and Pete Townshend are going to share bunks

― JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

you guys are all going to jail,,,,, she's only 17

i must have missed the nude pic upthread

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 01:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Chewshabadoo: Although I must point out that judging someone on their physical appearance is a very shallow and base action. Fun though
Question is, Were these photos taken before or after the heroin wore off?

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Find me a male version of any female on the planet or vice versa, nothing is interchangeable by sexuality.
Pity. I always thought there was a romantic notion that everybody has a doppleganger of the opposite gender for which they are destined to fall for.
Side note: if there is a lovely Lady Custos on the forum, delurk and we can "start a dynasty" if you get my drift...

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 01:50 (twenty-three years ago)

i tHINK yUO aRE aLL vERY mEAN.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 01:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Y'know, maybe the photographer who took those pics upthread was being deliberately unflattering.
this might seem a bit offtopic, but I noticed something odd a few years back.
Photos of Ellen Degeneres before she came out: Pretty
Photos of Ellen Degeneres after she came out: NOT Pretty.
At first I thought it Degeneres stopped wearing makeup until I noticed that (in one photo) all the stars she were hobnobbing with had been "photoshopped" into acceptability and she had not. (I saw another version of the same photo where NOBODY had been cleaned up, so I can tell that they "cleaned up" everybody else but left Degeneres intentionally homely.)
< PARANOID >

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Am I the only one that thought that Chet interview was satirical?

― Carey, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

B-But most of Avril's fans, correct me if I'm wrong, are teenage girls! She's not pandering to any male-dominated industry ideals re: cyute (sic) young girls in revealing outfits or whatever, she's appealing to people like her. The fact that boys, teenage or no, seem to like her too is a by-product, not the be-all-and-end-all.

Maybe boys are conditioned in the same way into doing something else, but bloody hell, there's a lot more options open to them.

Yeah, like start an inevitably shit band in the vain hope that the singer's cuteness will get them past that tricky stumbling-block of BEING RUBBISH. And if you had yr way, the world would be full of shithouse bands full of cute boys, just cos they're cute! Deny it! Go on...

Why do you assume that women are doing this to THEMSELVES when this is the only way that they are taught by example, and the only way that they are let through?

You make it sound like no women have minds of their own, Kate. And I'm sure that's not what you mean.

Look at it this way: yes, there are fewer girlrawk bands out there, but look at the good:shit ratio! Look at the world overfuckingflowing with legions of tedious, derivitive, uninspiring pubrock/terminally-local bands - 98% male, 99% shite. Of all the girl-fronted/girl-dominated bands I've seen in my life, I'd say well over half of them have been great. Could I say the same for bands full of boys? Fuck no.

Find me a male Avril. Find me a female Vines. Then we'll talk. You can't? I rest my case.

No, I can't, which is why I requested *exactly the same thing* upthread. Actually, I'm thinking Ben Lee's not a bad choice, except he's not cute in the generally accepted fashion (er, whatever that may be).

The female Vines? So help me god i'm sure one Vines is enough. If they were still around, I'd say Elastica...< ducks, legs it >

― Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:54 (twenty-three years ago)

It's spelt ky00t

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sure all the patriarichal society conditioned whorebags of the world are crying every night into their millions about the unfairness of it all. Whatever, Kate.

Avril looks like Fivel.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I think of Sum 41 as the male Avril(s). They're not that cute, but maybe it's just that when I was 13, bands seemed to be more attractive(Tim Wheeler). Napanee is only a little ways away from me and I've had to drive through that awful place countless times, so I have sympathy for Avril having to live(d) there. Oh, and she's 18. Tsk, you call yourselves FANS?

― Genevieve, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

she looks like she's about to cover the lens with saliva and phlegm

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim Wheeler! He was cute! Blimey forgot about him. Kung Fu is the greatest song ever from this genre, it kicks the ass of Avril Lavigne.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Avril looks like Fivel.

I'm the only one who thinks this, but I think she looks exactly like a young Axl Rose. I think Axl visited Canada on an early tour and got some unauthorized snugglebunnies from Avril's mom.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:11 (twenty-three years ago)

she does indeed look like Axl, and such a lineage would make her all the more badass.

Actually, I'm tired of defending Avril. I only like "Sk8terboi". Somebody should rip on Kelly Osbourne, who I'd defend with my life. Her album rocks.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:15 (twenty-three years ago)

"Avril looks like Fivel"

Avril *IS* Fivel

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd rather we had a Sophie Ellis type come out of Ontario for once. It's always hockey/snowboard rock. Or Shania.
Tim Wheeler...yes he was gorgeous at 18, which made him seem like such a cool older boy at the time.

― Genevieve, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Avril *IS* Fivel

"Some...WHERE...OUT...THERE!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

It's Fievel! FIEVEL!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Kelly is in no way attractive.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Crikey you people are fussy about what your women look like! Even in the crap photos Avril is an all right looking chick and when fully made up she's damn foxy.

Even with shitloads of make-up, like 100x more than Avril wears, Britney & Xtina are are bow-wows - but of course if all you see is the biscuity glow of their foundation, the pearly shine of their veneered teeth and the black butterfly wings of their eye makeup, which is of course all you are mean to see, then you may not have noticed their actual features. Actually, you're probably so busy looking at their barbie-doll bodies, which is all you are *really* meant to be seeing, that you didn't notice their faces at all.

Avril's only sin is not peddling her body to all you barbie-philes.

Even if she doesn't fit your idea of a babe, she's not ugly; even if you don't like her singing style or songs, she's a good singer; even if she doesn't write her songs herself, she does appear to have some input & even if she's no Yngwie Malmstein it seems that she can play the guitar.

I cannot believe that Avril-hatred is born of anything other than jealousy - knowing you will never either be her or have her - and a revulsion about her youthfulness which is a necessary thing for some young adults to feel towards those barely younger than themselves in order to distance themselves from their recent past.

― toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:56 (twenty-three years ago)

The Napanee McDonald's is by far the worst of any of them along the 401. Make of that what you will.

― Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Toraneko's logically equally applies to Julian Casablancas's ass. Not that I'm not grateful for ILXors for pointing its oddity out. I would have never thought to look.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:05 (twenty-three years ago)

toraneko - while I agree with you sometimes, I think you're really off the mark here. She's not that different than Britney or Xtina - it's the same old crap and just because you put it in a brown paper bag instead of a silk purse, doesn't change a thing.

― Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Kim OTM. and by that logic why would we big up Kelly O, who is perhaps just as or more guilty of the alleged sins above..

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Avril has nice lips and cool sleepy eyes. In her non-makeup pics.

― fractal (fractal), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:10 (twenty-three years ago)

damm. from those pictures she looks as high as georgia pinewood.

― robert lashley (brotherman), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd argue Avril's way better than Britney or Xtina. While I don't like either "Complicated" or "I'm With You," it's because I disagree with the singer's logic (in "Complicated" she sounds way too overconfident about her own realness than any 17-year-old girl wearing a tie should - how do we know the guy isn't REALLY a preppie? and "I'm With You" is a rather melodramatic justification of a random hook-up). But I appreciate that all her singles have details and observations, even if they're wrongheaded. Comparably, Britney's singles all seem to be designed to imply "when do I get to fuck?" Xtina's ballads are bland and generic, and her dance songs are a wittier variation on Britney's theme.

Kelly Osbourne...if you can get past any prejudice towards her because of her fame, you'll realize this is possibly the best mainstream female-teen pop-rock since "Beauty And The Beat." Harder too.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually my bag of crap analogy is kind of backwards and ironic. Now that I really think about it, the joke here is that some of us are so used to rebelling against the idea of being sold (whatever) in disguise that we almost fall for it and actually BUY IN when they (slyly) don't even bother.

― Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:32 (twenty-three years ago)

But Anthony, I expect seventeen-year-olds in ties to be more solidly convinced of their total awe-inspiring realness than anyone else on the planet! They're great at that!

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:33 (twenty-three years ago)

God, there's so much on this thread that "Avril rox u r all gay" actually seems like the most reasonable answer.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Kim, the difference is that because Britney & Xtina satisfy peoples barbie-philia no one bothers to knock them for have dodgy faces, people only take note of Avril's face because she isn't sticking her scantilly clad tits & arse & crotch & naked midriff in their faces. I think that's a big difference.

Basically it's as if the critics are saying "coz you're female, we have to judge you physically first and foremost, and if you're not revealing enough of your body then we'll have to judge you on your face instead"

― toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:34 (twenty-three years ago)

well, I prefer their uptempo bitchy fantasies about "slammin' on MTV" to their moany faux-betrayal numbers.

And Toraneko, I'll direct you again to the millions of threads about the ass of that guy from the Strokes. And the ones about Fred Durst's sense of fashion. I'll admit you're not talking out of your ass about society in general, but it's not like people here don't judge everybody on everything.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:37 (twenty-three years ago)

the ass of that guy from the Strokes

If only they were about that ass of a guy from the Strokes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony, I think that's one of those cases of the exception proving the rule.

Anyway, I was watching a documentary about The Pixies the other night and there were two things that struck me:

The first was how Kim Deal is THE anti-sexy, anti-fashion chiXor in rock.

The second was how all they British pop-star, journo etc. guys they interviewed were really, really ugly. Like if you lined them up and took a photo it would be like a photo from the ugliest, weediest man in the world competition (with the exception of David Bowie who is as aestheically pleasing as ever). There is no way chicks that ugly could ever become famous.

― toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:43 (twenty-three years ago)

God, I'd respond by listing the various women in pop-culture, journo, etc. I think are ugly. But I don't want to cap off my night by listing a bunch of people as "ugly." Especially since over half of them I respect and I don't want to be baited into what my gender is being criticized of.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeh, well you couldn't do a proper "ugly rock/pop star chiX0r" thread where they were rated out of 10, for example, because people would focus on their personal gripes and hates etc. so people like Sophie Ellis Bextor would get 9s & 10s from lots of people and 1s from others despite the fact that it's damn obvious, even to people who don't want to bonk her, that she's an extraordinarily good looking woman and nothing like the fat, frumpy, zitty, greasy, frizzy, toothless, flabby, crusty, droopy, bloated, bra-less, beslippered, betracksuited 1s you see at the supermarket on a bad day.

― toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 04:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I just watched her interview with Jane Pauley, she was brilliant and came off delightfully unpolished and fidgety. She acted the part of a 17 year old girl rather convincingly. She still needs lessons on how to act like a mass media icon if she wants to date Justin T. She says the new album is gonna rawk harder than this one.

― keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 05:07 (twenty-three years ago)

avril roxx ur all gay.

also Xtina does not have a barbie doll body at all she just flaunts what she's got (which is fairly thin, but otherwise not that special) and Britney has a k-cute face and a super fashion sense circa Crossroads.

Also anthony sez: Comparably, Britney's singles all seem to be designed to imply "when do I get to fuck?" Xtina's ballads are bland and generic, and her dance songs are a wittier variation on Britney's theme.

Kelly Osbourne...if you can get past any prejudice towards her because of her fame, you'll realize this is possibly the best mainstream female-teen pop-rock since "Beauty And The Beat." Harder too.

Which is wrong first because how the hell does "Stronger" or "Oops.." or "Lucky" imply "when do I get to fuck"? and since when has Xtina even had that many ballads except for her latest single which isn't generic at all except that it's an awful lot like Destiny's Child's "The Story of Beauty" which is however a superbly fucked track in its onw right" and Dirrty is nothing like any Britney single ever and neither is Rumble and what other damn dance track do you mean except maybe "Genie In a Bottle" and ballad except maybe "What A Girl Wants" which even if what you're saying was the case would put you two years out of date?

And oh yes, the Go-Go's were motherfucking punk-inspired New Wave not "female-teen pop-rock" and there's no rock at all to Brit. or Xtina or Kelly and I don't really think that's a bad thing either so NYEH!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:11 (twenty-three years ago)

dance track - Come On Over(i think), Falsas Esperansas
ballad - Turn To You(i think)

― Chupa-Cabras (vicc13), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:20 (twenty-three years ago)

(What is this Pixies doc of which you speak, Toraneko?)

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay chupa you got me she had two bland dull tracks that i forgot even existed. Neither of which was very britney by the way and my big gripe with "Turn To You" was that it was overshadowed by Mel C's much superior single of the same name.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 06:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I vote for more Superdog in this thread.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 07:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Also Avril is 18

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 07:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Pixies doco called Gouge was aired on SBS on last Saturday, I think. I'd say it was British seeing as all the people they interviewed were British and most of the live footage was from Britain.

― toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 07:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Famous British ugly female music journo? Errr... Julie Burchill, anyone?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 09:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Erm isn't it a bit unfair to expect everyone to like someone just because they don't have some trait which symbolises conventional ugliness? Who you think is pretty or not is your own business. Having said that this thread is a bit custos in places.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 10:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll admit my Britney and Xtina dis also incorporates thoughts about the videos, not just the songs (I prejudice I normally avoid), but dude, Kelly O is all ABOUT the rock! Have you actually heard anything off "Shut Up" yet? I mean, loud guitars=rock. Like, duh, man. If the Foo Fighters do, dig?

Like, totally. Gyah...

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

"Stronger" and "Lucky" were admittedly her two Broadway diva ditties but "Oops..." is inherently a "fuck me" song just for the "I'm not that innocent" line (or at least it's a "yippee! I fucked!" song.

What was the one she got fucked on a tree in the video for? I can't remember the song but jesus, her face was damn loud & clear on that one.

I hope she sings "Not A Star, Not Yet A Has-Been" soon.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Julie Burchill wasn't so bad when she was younger was she? I'm not certain of this though.

― Ian SPACK (Ian SPACK), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and I'd definitely make out with Avril, Britney and Xtina. In that order. But not Kelly.

― Ian SPACK (Ian SPACK), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Also Avril is 18

Avril is 17, actually.

― man, Wednesday, 15 January 2003 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

She's 18, that's why she was getting all liquored up in Mexico - remember the Rolling Stone interview?

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and I'd definitely make out with Avril, Britney and Xtina. In that order. But not Kelly.

I don't think Xtina is the type to 'make out', if you get my drift...

cf. Hate Fuck.

― jm (jtm), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, Britney has a dodgy face? Perhaps unremarkable, but DODGY? Come on now.

Christina actually looks a lot like Avril with a rounder nose.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Having said that this thread is a bit custos in places.
Hey hey hey hey hey...whatsthatsuppozdtamean?

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

i would make out with my wife.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

SHE'd make out with ME.

― matt riedl (veal), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay anthony then doesn't that make Avril rock too (for loud guitars I mean?).

Also "Oops..." was about teasing a boy and then not wanting to commit, not about sex. And the "tree" video was, I think, "Born To Make You Happy" which as tim finny wrote a spectacular article about, was about the exact opposite of sex -- chaste idealised romantic love.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I would make out with all of them but I don't need a girl.

I NEED A WOMAN!!!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Avril's totally rock too, I mean if Simple Plan is. Especially Sk8terboi.

and in that video, she's like up against a tree, a la wicked game except her face is like "wow! dick in me!" Arguably I'm lookin' for dirty subtext but you're playin' all innocent here.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony, did you ever know that you're my hero?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

am I everything you wish you could be? Can you fly higher than an eagle, cuz I am the wind beneath your wings?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 January 2003 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)

YES YOU ARE

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 January 2003 00:16 (twenty-three years ago)

well then fly, Dan, fly higher than the sky!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 January 2003 02:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think Avril's ugly at all: she just looks like a semi-average teenage girl, which is pretty much the best thing about her. I wish her music was better.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 16 January 2003 03:14 (twenty-three years ago)

a la wicked game except her face is like "wow! dick in me!"

*blink*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 January 2003 03:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey you fucks! Quit being so fuckin' rude! I mean, "wow, dick in me"??? Fuck! It's not like I've ever been rude to you. Take your hand outta yr pants for a second, eh?

― Avril (Charlie), Thursday, 16 January 2003 03:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah funny funny Doctor Jones.

Oh how we laugh. Christ I'm bored.

― Charlie (Charlie), Thursday, 16 January 2003 04:08 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

Im kinda lost on the subject here u guys go back and forth but Plain and simple i would make out with avril lavign, shit who wouldent ,i would even date her she seems like a real laid back girl whos fun to to be around who just fllowed her dream.
Kalvin,16,az

― Kalvin, Sunday, 16 February 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Kalvin goez for the older womans.

― jm (jtm), Monday, 17 February 2003 05:47 (twenty-three years ago)

original question - absolutely

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 February 2003 09:45 (twenty-three years ago)

She DOES look like Fievel.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 17 February 2003 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...

id make out with her again while shes worth something.anyway she is quite remarkable.boom.

― uneasy to please, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe Avril wants to make out with us>

http://images.mp3.com/rollingstone/content/2044243/Images/00319689.jpg

― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

damn!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

damn! that reminds me of the weeken.... ooops.

― nick.K (nick.K), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes. Just to say I did.

b-b-b-but, then, what's to stop you from making out with Celine Dion or Mickey Dolenz or Fred Durst!?!?

*shudders*

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Avril lavigne? Hell yeah, i will like to make out with her! She is hotand hot. Even though people dont like her cause of what she wears, she is fine and there is nothing you can do to change that!!!

― Jizzle, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

...she is fine and there is nothing you can do to change that!!!

Short of crushing her face and body with a 40-ton steel beam.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

who cares what avril looks like without all that fake shitty make up, avril is hot, id make out with her any day.

― ManicMindChange---- Gem, Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...

i wanna know how so many different people end up in this thread...searching for avril porn? accidently come across this? then why you all bad-mouthing her? i'd make out with her

― red mogu, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

well, who are you...and why are YOU in this thread, eh, lurk-boy?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Manny the Tuskan Raider finds this thread funny:

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jun/20036262127879540721484.jpg

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The whole basis of the thread is almost beyond comprehension.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

It boggles one mind.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

id do her, probably in the shitter, just cos i like to get one up on celebrities, and nothing says "whos your daddy now bitch!" like raw anal.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

resident romantic Bob Shaw, ladies and gentlemen...voted "most gentle and considerate lover" four years running...let's give him a big round of applause!
(YAAAAAAYYYYYYY!)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i do try, i know it sends the ladies drooling.

― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jun/20036276858893926940210.jpg

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 27 June 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

why you all bad-mouthing her?

I'd be good-mouthing her. Oh yes. Hmmm.

― Sommermute (Wintermute), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dunno 'bout you but I quite like that picture of our Avril with no make-up on. I definitely would... Mmmmm. There's a lovely picture of her pert little bottom here: www.space123.co.uk

My dilemma is do you think Kylie Minogue would be happy hiding in the wardrobe if Avril happened to pop around for a cup of sugar?

Mwahahahaha!

― Dr Evil, Saturday, 28 June 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Take them all-- all the annoying little hookers on MTV (Kelly Osbourne included) and tie them in a very large sack and hang it from a tree or something until they kill each other like cats. When there's only one voice left screaming, "Let me out," throw the sack into the Hudson River.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Saturday, 28 June 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

hi im chef im the most popular teenager just like avril lavigne but in my hometown of kings lynn in england uk , every1knows me.i cant find ne decent websites that have stuff about avril on them.im a christian i have bin 4 eight years now but i still know how2 have a laugh.id love to perform a track with avril because im pursuing a pop career.i need some advice to help me on the way so if ne1 can help me please send me an email on [email protected] ne photos of avril lavigne plese send me them.since avrils first song complicated i thought that she is one mega hot babe.im 16 and ive just left school and i sang a love song at my school prom which made my friends and teachers cry.i will make it to be a star soon! if i sung a song with avril lavigne it would be love song cus that would start off my carrer with a BANG and id become famous in the whole of great britian.soon my sunday school and i are starting up a christian rock band .and its not just christian songs that we will be singin and playing.and im a dj for my local youth center.im coming over to america in august to c my family in connecticut.and im going to make a demo cd with a couple of songs and take it to one of their local radio stations to c wat they think.please contct me on my email adress.see u l8er chef.p.s i think avril lavigne is the sexyest female singer today!!!!!!!!!!!

― chef, Wednesday, 2 July 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

you'd better get sk8ing dude

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Was the world always this strange and scary, or did the www make it this way?

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

hi im chef im the most popular teenager

My doubts run high.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, what was the name of that Spice Girls guy who used to come and play with us...ummm...

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...

I wanna fuck her like an animal

― Richard, Friday, 16 April 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

can someone please delete this thread now?

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 16 April 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

eight months pass...

Ohh yeah shes sexy

― Logan Jacobson, Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

four weeks pass...

AVRIL LAVIGNE IS THE HOTTEST GIRL ON THE PLANET!!!! I WOULD MAKE OUT WITH HER ANYTIME, ANYWHERE!! SHES SO FUCKING HOT

― Kevyn Martindale, Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

if she's legal doesn't smoke,hasn;t got pierced labia then maybe.
i'd prefer a curvy woman with some tits and ass like Beyonce or JLo.

― older man, Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mtv.com/onair/vma_la/2002/show_highlights/flipbook/images/avril_lavigne_4.jpg

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd hit it

― the first church of latebloomer, friend of plebians and santa (reformed) (latebl, Thursday, 20 January 2005 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

foxy alert!
http://abes-celebrities.com/avril_lavigne_47.jpg

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

was this trip really necessary?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

so cruel.

― Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

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