Christine Mcvie

"...and if I needed whiskey, he could serve it to me neat."

TMFTML
http://intonation.blogspot.com

Gold Dust Woman! Rhiannon! Silver Spring! Go Your Own Way! That news song that starts Rumours that goes b'gow b'gow b'gow... How can we deny ourselves these pleasures just for "You Make Loving Fun (not that you can hear it in my voice)"

Dan & Alex in NYC in AGREEMENT SHOCKER!!!!

But no, she is in no way as good as Nicks I'm afraid ("Dreams", "Sara" and "Gypsy" are some of the greatest songs e-vahhhhh!!!!).

Most non-intuitive great sequencing decision ever: opening _Tusk_ with "Over and Over."

Please tell me that changes your answer, Dan!

(BTW, I say that "Hold Me" cuts "Little Lies" any frickin' day of the week)

My feelings on this matter evident here - Lindsey Buckingham: C o' D?

I swear to god. I mean, that's it. I've heard probably 10,000 albums and then some at this point. But THAT song. It's arrangement, production, performance ... nothing has stopped me in my tracks, compelled repeated re-listenings, enraptured me ... nothing has bewitched me like that damn "Hold Me". The funny thing is Christine didn't even write it entirely; some LA-lifer named Robbie Patton helped her. Whatever. I love her voice too. So so good.

Also she apparently has a new solo album coming out in June!! I read this on some other message board! ILM is behind!

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It's the coolest goo-goo love song I can think of.

i fucking love you christine

everyone knows I'm a christine mcvie junkie here, so I'll take offense at this provocation.

In the meantime, Mr. Creme1, I had earlier predicted you to be Max instead, and I claim my 500 pence if that isn't what you are. Cheers.

I bought the double-disc comp over Xmas just so's I could own the remastered hits. I must say, "Love in Store," which I never really cared for, sounds great in this context.

"Over and Over" takes it for me. But I'm still taking Lindsey Buckingham, way before either of the chicks.

What a weird thread...unless I missed something it's as if she joined the band in 1975 or something. Her only real flaw is her consistancy.

I know, what's wrong with these people who don't care about '73 and '74 Fleetwood Mac??

"Prove Your Love" is her best song. (Um, but there are a few on Tusk I'd put right beside it)

I'm going to have to give early and mid-period Mac a rest soon, 'cause it's starting to get excessive, but was just overwhelmed by the brilliance of McVie's "Spare Me A Little Of Your Love" earlier today. "Boring" and "restrained"? Bah!

NOW YOU HAVE MADE ME PULL OUT MY COMPILATION MCVIE DISC. IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT.

BTW, "Spare..." is quite good, you are right.

But I left Sugar Daddy off it because I didn't have enough room. *weeps*

Here's my tracklisting:

1. Morning Rain
2. Show Me A Smile
3. Remember Me
4. Dissatisfied
5. Did You Ever Love Me
6. Spare A Little Of Your Love
7. Homeward Bound
8. Believe Me
9. Just Crazy Love
10. The Way I Feel
11. Why
12. Heroes Are Hard To Find
13. Come A Little Bit Closer
14. Bad Loser (this one reminds me of the evil of George W. Bush for real)
15. Prove Your Love To Me
16. Warm Ways
17. Over My Head
18. World Turning (I'm a sucker for this one, I don't know why)
19. Think About Me
20. Never Make Me Cry
21. Never Forget
15.

"Come A Little Bit Closer" drives me to tears.

But "Prove Your Love" remains her best, and one of the few things in this whole wild world that could be better than the Cocteau Twins.

"Warm Ways" is the very definition of gorgeous.

Not much love for her solo work here, alas. "Got a Hold On Me" is one of my favorite solo Mac tracks.

I know...the solo work...ahem *cough cough*

we'll not mention that. :)

Though I do love her first solo album, but aside from that, um...
*polite smile*

Hint: her first album wasn't in the 80's. It was 1970.

Also, everyone should know that Warm Ways rules.

Fuck you, why isn't Over and Over on that?

I don't know! I don't have an answer for that except maybe I figured I'd just pull out Tusk instead. I was also angry at myself in the end because apparently I left off Never Forget and put Honey Hi in its place by total mistake...grrr...

But there IS only so much room on a disc.

Okay alright, I love Honey Hi though. The middle guitar bit is cool.

oh iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, i wanna be with you everywhere

"Isn't it midnight on the other side of the world?"

funny timing for this thread revival. i downloaded The Legendary Christine Perfect Album a week ago.

oh shit, just found out that she was romantically involved w/Dennis Wilson (swoon) during the Rumors/Tusk period and probably had a major influence over her songs from that period

this is amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGw16HvdBYs&feature=related

I LOVE STEVIE NICKS' HAT!!!!

But everyone knows I love Christine more, don't get me wrong.

Hanle y, come home please :-(

How is her last name pronounced? Is it: Mc - Vee or Mc - Vi?

vee

Ah. That's not how I had been pronouncing it. Thanks. : )

I don't hold you down
And maybe that's why I'm around...

I heard "Got A Hold On Me" at the market yesterday!

I thought it was "maybe that's why you're around". But yeah OTM and all that.

loving the solo album recently
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oh god! Don't even get me started on the solo album! Woah god, it's been way too long since I heard that! SHEEEIT

I thought it was "maybe that's why you're around". But yeah OTM and all that.

-- Bimble, Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:11 AM (23 minutes ago)

that's the last chorus

legendary perfect album is just super

It's all about this album, people. I've been telling this since 2004 on this board but back then no one said they agreed or would listen to me:

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"THE LEGENDARY CHRISTINE PERFECT ALBUM" IT IS CALLED.

BEG, STEAL OR BORROW.

^^^^ listening to this now. one of my faves.

Vera Farmiga will join Aaron Eckhart in helmer Randall Miller's indie music biopic "The Drummer," about Beach Boys drummer Dennis Wilson.

Farmiga, who received an Oscar nomination for 2009's "Up in the Air" and recently made her directorial debut with "Higher Ground," will play notable Fleetwood Mac singer-songwriter Christine McVie.

Miller is producing with scribe Jody Savin through their banner Unclaimed Freight Prods.(The pair were behind 2008's indie hit "Bottle Shock.") Music industry vet Brad Rosenberger also produces.

"The Drummer" follows six years in Wilson's life during which he and McVie sparked a passionate and tumultuous relationship before Wilson's death in 1983. Fleetwood Mac's album "Mirage," released in 1982, features the hit song "Hold Me," co-written by McVie and reportedly inspired by her love affair with Wilson.

Farmiga joins the project as a classically trained pianist. "She has a number of duets with Eckhart in the film," Miller noted. "The combination of Aaron and Vera will be pure magic."

Christine McVie rejoins Fleetwood Mac

More than 15 years after announcing her retirement from Fleetwood Mac, Christine McVie is back in the fold. According to Fleetwood Mac News, Mick Fleetwod confirmed McVie’s return during a concert in Maui on Saturday night, telling the audience,”This is the worst kept secret there is, but Christine McVie will be rejoining Fleetwood Mac.”

Last September, McVie reunited with her former bandmates in Fleetwood Mac during a concert in London. In a subsequent interview with the Guardian, she expressed a desire to rejoin the band permanently. “I like being with the band, the whole idea of playing music with them,” McVie explained. “I miss them all. If they were to ask me I would probably be very delighted… but it hasn’t happened so we’ll have to wait and see.”

In response to McVie’s comments, Stevie Nicks told Billboard, “If Chris wants to come back to the band, I said to her, ‘It’s your band. I don’t really think you have to ask. Because it’s your band. McVie. Fleetwood Mac-vie? So, it all depends, Chris, on you. How you feel. Do you want to take this on again?’”

Fleetwood Mac is currently on a temporary hiatus as McVie’s ex-husband, John, is being treated for cancer. In an interview with Rolling Stone last week, Nicks said John is “gonna be fine, adding, “He’s got his treatment, and now he did a show on the 30th and 31st, another tomorrow night, then he has surgery next week. . . I’m not the least bit worried about John. He’s very, very strong and a man of very few words. He’s not a person to mess with.”

Here we are!

'You Make Loving Fun' is one of my favourite songs of all time at this point.

have mercy, baby!

I'm surprised you have 'Brown Eyes' so high above the likes of 'Over and Over', 'Little Lies', 'Songbird', 'Everywhere' etc. It's an amazing production (the drum sound alone is pure ear candy, and those harmonies) but as a song it's a mere wisp of a thing. Even so, I find it to be a highlight of Tusk.

With "Brown Eyes/Never Make Me Cry" song and arrangement are inseparable, as they often are in 90 percent of scenarios.

I agree with the first part, disagree with the second part.

Alas, RIP

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63812952

Oh, fuck no.

horrible. such a wonderful songwriter

you made loving fun

Aw, man

And the songbirds are singing,
Like they know the score

I loved her.

mule otm.

Maybe Alfred will have words for this... right now it's beyond me

I feared the worst when I saw this thread suddenly revived.

I'm off to spin "Hold Me" and "Everywhere" on repeat until the end of time.

Loved her, the magic ingredient that gave the classic lineup richness and depth to go with Nicks' sparkle and Buckingham's energy.

And not only in her own songs but also her harmonies and keyboard.

wonderful musician. RIP Christine

rip, this one makes me sad

i was just the other week checking out her stuff with chicken shack - her version of "i'd rather go blind" is stunning

Now I know how the sun must feel every time it sets :-(

Such a great singer and songwriter (and pretty decent keyboardist) who often seemed to get overshadowed by her bandmates. RIP

oh no

how the HELL is John McVie still alive

for my money she has the best songs on their best albums. RIP

I was hoping "Everywhere" would get its "Running Up That Hill" earlier this season. It and Tusk's "Never Forget" got a lot of rooftop play in NYC and Chicago about 15 years ago as part of Balearic mixes.

I think the song is in a prominent Chevy ad right now?

Damn, she was my favorite of the FM frontpeople. Loved her songs so much. Rest in peace.

xp Indeed, I see it every time I watch TV

That's I alluded to. I hoped for crossover

rip, such a talent. so many of their very best moments were hers

“everywhere” was the recessional song at our wedding. RIP

The author of "Little Lies" is dead.

Could it really, really be?

If y'all want an unheralded example of what she could do with voice and piano, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R43ZTRVZjfc

That's lovely. Here's one of my favorites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RQC2mPvmEs

And the songbirds are singing,
Like they know the score

just thinkin bout “songbird” atm.. *tears*

My favorite version: her voice higher, slightly ragged, but so damn pure. A pro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLRyYETnoIE

I've only two words, "Brown Eyes".

What A (Albeit Unintentional) Way To Sign Off!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH83Y20y70U

You opened the door
And I stepped in
Not knowing where I'm going
But I know I'm gonna win
I can fly again
Got the freedom in my mouth
Travellin' girl is movin' north, west, east, and south

I want it all

Omg the wordless chorus of Brown Eyes, geez

Can anyone explain to me what it is about the rhythm section of Fleetwood Mac that so entirely rules? I don’t really have the musicologist words for it but I know it’s there

It’s in the off-beats in “brown eyes” for example — I feel like you wouldn’t get those touches with a conventional rhythm section

Fleetwood plays slightly behind the beat but has an instinct for the punctuative roll or fill that other bands would kill for.

mcvie’s power (that signature doubled root note on the 1) and telepathic chemistry with him means that even the most delicate fm song grooves like crazy

Forgot about Willie's record with Ryan Adams & The Cardinals that covers and takes it name from "Songbird"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcEsdI-ifMA

Yeah, Soto otm re: Mick's gifts. And John, he's pretty great, too, of course; iirc Mike Mills had a "what would John McVie do?" maxim. I think in their case as a rhythm section, it could be the result of all those formative years woodshedding, which helps them swing and shuffle through stuff like "Over My Head." Though keep in mind that c. "Tusk" specifically, Bucky was pushing Mick in pretty weird directions, and around "Mirage" and "Tango" I suspect there was a lot of studio magic at work on the drums, when it's even Mick.

He's barely on Tango. It's definitely him on "Little Lies," "Seven Wonders," and the title track, but the rhythm tracks on "Big Love" and "Everywhere" and "Isn't It Midnight" and "You and I" sound like drum machines.

Nice note from latter-day bandmate Mike Campbell:

Oh dear…..sweet Christine has left us…..that voice, those eyes, that smile. No one like her in the universe.
I remember in rehearsal once after playing “I’d Rather Go Blind,” she looked at me and said, “I like playing the blues with you, Mike.” I’ve never met anyone with such an angelic aura. Always so kind to everyone.

We will all miss you so…..no one could ever fill those shoes….
Mike

That’s great!

Has...there been a comment from Mr. Buckingham yet?

Neil Finn posted a nice note.

xp Probably coming. I guess they were all very close but I thought that might be especially true with Christine and Lindsey based on how closely they worked together.

Platonically I should emphasize

Jeff Tweedy substack tribute with covers - "Little Lies" in front of the paywall: https://jefftweedy.substack.com/p/christine-mcvie

In an interview last year promoting his album, Buckingham said (I paraphrase) that he grew to really admire McVie's songcraft after working so closely on the 2017 album; he said he genuinely loved taking the time to arrange her songs.

the 2017 album was Bucky, McVie, Mick and Xtine… but you can't call it Fleetwood Mac. Stevie has said a number of times that she doesn't want to record new music any more, because the massive budgeted studio method they emblemized can no longer provide her a return she considers sufficient, but the 2017 was evidently done in a cost efficient manner. But no, that could not be called a Fleetwood Mac record. Whereas Xtine left for 15 years but they could call it Fleetwood Mac, and when Bucky leaves, ditto. Perhaps Irving Azoff has concluded there can be no Fleetwood Mac without Stevie, but it's just as likely that's what she thinks.

Xtine kinda stuck with organ and piano, huh? does anyone know if she fucked with synths on any of the records? Seems to me that the intros for "Little Lies" and "everywhere" would be Lindsey or Dashut or someone like that? Or am I wrong?

She's definitely playing the handful of synth parts on the 1975 album and Rumours, probably played less of the programmed stuff by the time of Tango.

My favorite video of Christine McVie and Stevie Nicks blasted all the way to mars pic.twitter.com/dpFloDpemo

— erb (@bentleyliz2) November 30, 2022

Xtine kinda stuck with organ and piano, huh? does anyone know if she fucked with synths on any of the records? Seems to me that the intros for "Little Lies" and "everywhere" would be Lindsey or Dashut or someone like that? Or am I wrong?

― veronica moser, Thursday, December 1, 2022 3:20 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

She's definitely playing the handful of synth parts on the 1975 album and Rumours, probably played less of the programmed stuff by the time of Tango.

― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, December 1, 2022

She's credited with ARP as far back as Heroes Are Hard to Find.

She could also kick out the jams on accordion!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5HQ2sEqZZE

Steve Winwood on FB:

“Christine was a lovely lady. I knew her briefly in the early days of the blues and folk scene in Birmingham, then later in the mid 80s when she lived in L.A., and shortly after I was lucky and privileged to play on one of her solo albums.

She had a beautiful alto voice that had elements of blues and church choral music, which in many ways set her apart from some of her melismatic contemporaries. Her beautiful, syllabic style was a joy to listen to. Together with her engaging, heartfelt songs she will be greatly missed. R.I.P. Christine” - SW

...some of her melismatic contemporaries OTM. Listening to the Christine Perfect album yesterday for the first time in a long time, it struck me that while she was of the British blues boom, she's never exactly emulating Etta James or Tina Turner on the songs of theirs she covered. She replaced the overemoting of many of her contemporaries with a sort of "coolness" that served her well as Mac became a pop band.

That's the best thing Winwood's ever written, including "Valerie."

There are definitely some good tracks on Chicken Shack's "Blue Horizon Sessions" collection.

I've always thought Christine's take on "I'd Rather Go Blind" was very beautiful and definitely shows the laid back coolness of the delivery. I got to think she liked some Dusty Springfield and maybe in a different set of circumstances, you could see some US label signing her like they did Rod Stewart out of that scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9HpsXfuzY

I remember Sony sneaking that track on to The Best of Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac CD from 2002. A cheat, but a welcome one.

Lindsey has now posted a handwritten message:

Christine McVie’s sudden passing is profoundly heartbreaking. Not only were she and I part of the magical family of Fleetwood Mac, to me Christine was a musical comrade, a friend, a soul mate, a sister. For over four decades, we helped each other create a beautiful body of work and a lasting legacy that continues to resonate today. I feel very lucky to have known her. Though she will be deeply missed, her spirit will live on through that body of work and that legacy.

rip :(

so sad :'(

My obit: https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/christine-mcvie-dead-appreciation-fleetwood-mac-1235179553/

Erin Osmon with some grand thoughts

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2022-12-01/fleetwood-mac-christine-mcvie-stevie-nicks

There's a picture in that LA Times article of Christine onstage in 1977 playing a tom-tom, what song could they be performing?

That's a good question. Supposedly Atlanta GA, 1977. She would step out front for World Turning, but usually with maracas.... for the jam sesh portion Mick would come out with a talking drum or whatever so that's my first guess- an unusual jam part of World Turning.

My only other guess is it could be a proto Sisters of the Moon.... what? I looked for some more pictures of this show by the same photographer, and one of the results is a shot of Lindsey with short hair and no beard, playing a Les Paul. He went with his new look when they started Tusk in 78, but stopped playing Les Pauls by 79, IIRC. Assuming the city is correct this could be from 8/29/78. Sisters is the only new song in that setlist and it is a song that Stevie holds a cowbell for. Maybe C hadn't worked out her part yet?

the 16 songs she takes lead vocal on (15 of which she wrote) from their 1971-1974 period would make a classic double LP.

probably someone more knowledgeable than me might know this: how often did the band revisit those tracks after buckingham/nicks arrived? so many of those tracks could have fit in beautifully on the s/t or rumours or tusk. it remains sort of a lost era (for the entire band, really.)

There are live takes of "Why", "Spare Me A Little of Your Love" and "Station Man" (among other early tracks) on the deluxe S/T album box, but I think the Christine stuff from that era didn't last much longer as concert material once Rumours came along.

Hadn't seen this before. Paul Bartel!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnuKxTff55s

Even for 1984 that's a lot of makeup.

I love when Fleetwood Mac (as a band and solo) goes country.

I saw that in 1984 on my local video show! Obviously someone thought that it could be of interest to an audience of 12-year olds. That was before the advent of "mature" rock videos for older artists and audiences.

If you can believe it, "Got a Hold On Me" was in heavy rotation in early 1984.

Even for 1984 that's a lot of makeup shoulder pads.

It was either make that video, or do a six episode arc as Lady Christine Thistlewick on Dynasty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjH84W_-V1c

Bob Welch w/Christine & Mick in '81

Brown Eyes is the best FMac song

I recoil from that breathy tone Welch uses.

Yeah, Soto otm re: Mick's gifts. And John, he's pretty great, too, of course; iirc Mike Mills had a "what would John McVie do?" maxim. I think in their case as a rhythm section, it could be the result of all those formative years woodshedding, which helps them swing and shuffle through stuff like "Over My Head."

I missed this good bit from the L.A. Times obit:

Her grounding presence was a welcome contrast to Nicks’ nymph-like persona, not because it positioned the two against each other, but because it offered two very powerful frameworks for womanhood and female friendship within the same chart-topping band. The idea that women must choose — that one is either a Christine or a Stevie — is an outmoded and reductive binary in the year 2022. Instead, the fruitful pairing of McVie and Nicks, how their writing and personalities elegantly commingle and reflect back on one another, offers an antidote to the notion that women can be only one thing.

Nice

And yet, they sure didn’t seem to work together much the last 25 years.

And where were all these Nicks/McVie partisans when Behind the Mask came out?

Blasting "Save Me."

Or, like Rolling Stone, saying "the addition of Rick Vito and Billy Burnette is the best thing to ever happen to Fleetwood Mac".

This is my favorite song from the 1988-1990 era. Nicks, McVie, and the ringers harmonize well, and the woozy synths complement them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtAFOlNSDP8

I feel like I said this somewhere else but man, “Prove Your Love” is a terrific song. The wordless refrain with the sawing violins is just magic. Anyone who thinks she needed Lindsey never heard this.

i don't hold you down, maybe that's why you're around

this line sticks with me as cuttingly as if someone had once said it to me

christine mcvie otmfm

“Think About Me” is such an underrated song, one of the best examples of the deceptive lightness that Christine often brings to the table.

More broadly I think she’s clearly the MVP on Tusk - the only songwriter on the album who doesn’t miss her target even once.

She's the least ambitious of the three, though, and I'd call "You'll Never Make Me Cry" banal even by her own standards.

In the context of Fleetwood Mac -- its rhythm section, Buckingham's production know-how, Nicks' weirdness -- McVie didn't need ambition, man.

“Brown Eyes” is perfect

McVie didn't need ambition, man
yeah, i think she found the perfect sweet spot between the hyper-emotionalism of nicks and buckingham — mcvie songs always feel like welcome moments of serenity in that context.

"Think About Me" might be in my top 5 of the Buckingham-Nicks era.

She's the least ambitious of the three, though, and I'd call "You'll Never Make Me Cry" banal even by her own standards.

― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, July 18, 2024 9:45 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe it reflects that I came to this album two decades after its release and I'm totally wrong about this, but I've always heard the above song as being an in-character performance of the lies we tell ourselves and others when we are trapped in emotionally abusive / dependent relationships.

(assuming that's correct) I can't think of many prior precedents for that off-hand (maybe "As Long As He Needs Me" from Oliver), and I'd certainly not call it banal.

i.e. it tackles implicitly the issues which "Little Lies" later rendered explicit.

McVie didn't need ambition

So her weakest songs are likely to be boring instead of eccentrically manic or self-absorbedly brooding.

I've always heard the above song as being an in-character performance of the lies we tell ourselves and others when we are trapped in emotionally abusive / dependent relationships.

OK, but this is the theme of almost half of McVie's catalog - even the quote from "Think About Me" that started this revive is a lot more poignant. It's hard to invest if I find the melody uninteresting.

Brilliantly sequenced, though. Maybe I wouldn't have liked it much on Rumours... but maybe i would've, Lindsey's arrangement is flattering. But those two minutes of sweet Christine softness between the Peter Green fade-out on their eeriest song and another dose of manic Lindsey: perfect!

"Property From The Life And Career Of Christine McVie"
https://www.juliensauctions.com/en/auctions/property-from-the-life-and-career-of-christine-mcvie-499

(always a little sad seeing these auctions pass by)

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