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1) Messing up seguing "Ice Ice Baby" into "Under Pressure". Most unoriginal two songs to play next to each other; dumbest thing ever to fuck up.

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

2) "Blue Monday" - give it a rest already!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

3) not paying attention to where you left your headphones, and they get nicked (I'm guilty of this).

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

re: 2 I'd rather dance to Blue Monday / really long new wave dance hitzzzzz than try to to dance to bad hair metal or the misfits because the DJs are stupid fuckers

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

4/ Assuming that your "audience" is stoopid.

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

5/ Having an extreme case of BPMitis.

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

6) not even making an effort at doing any transitions - - are you a CD player?

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

7) Spinbacks

― Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

not smiling

not looking like they're having any fun

not making people's hearts beat faster
when they're paid to do exactly that if nothing else

not pushing things forward

not utilising newer/newest technology

thinking they are stil in 1996

not being thin

not being female at least half the time

scratching and such *endlesly* and wanking away as
if anybody cares

being bored

playing like they are playing to a roomful of other djs

not being eclectic

playing too much of the same old fcking thing in perpetuity

generally treating dj-ing as if it were a sport

wearing bape and carrhatt and such

and khaki

and not dressing up enough

― piscesboy, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

not being thin

wtf?!?!?!???

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

guilty of at least ten of these so far

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Dead. Air.

― briania (briania), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

-Not dancing, I think is a big sin. I hate DJs that stand around looking like they're too cool to dance. I mean, you don't have to be a fist-pumping raver chump every time, but how do you expect me to get excited about what you're playing if you can't get excited about what you're playing?

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Also a terrible trend I've noticed -- scenesters thinking they're good djs. NO NO NO! I'VE HEARD GANG OF FOUR, PiL, NEW ORDER AND EVERY OTHER 80S BAND TOO

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

28) Sitting down.

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

no way, sometimes sitting down is comfortable.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ya. Music selectors (er...DJs) who don't really dance. And I'm not talking about dancing while they're DJing, but EVER!
Quite suspect.

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there other music selectors who end up on the dance floor while they're "spinning"?

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

29) rap tokenism in 80s themed sets

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I can dance in a chair, it's not hard.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah....Music selectors who sloganize over some of their selections.
And begging people to dance!
Or threatening them!

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

And begging people to dance! Or threatening them!

this is why Out Hud and !!! suck, too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

30) interrupting new wave gayity with some undancable AC/DC etc rock song like "YOU SHOOK ME ALL NIGHT LONG". I just wanna space out to TEH KEYBOARDS AND DANNNNNNNCE NONE OF THIS ROCK BS

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

!!! isn't that bad dude.

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

dude "Jailbreak" by AC/DC can fit into most techno beatz.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"this is why Out Hud and !!! suck, too."

When I saw Outhud, they didn't do this at all, maybe because most everyone was dancing from the getgo. I'll reserve the judgement about !!! until next week.

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

another one....
not knowing that a 4/4 beat is generally the dullest beat of all!

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, 7/4 is so much easier to dance to!!!

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, 7/4 is so much easier to dance to....

at about 4am, mixed with alcohol, it sure makes sense!

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

wolf eyes is easy to dacne 2

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry, but I have a problem with non-musicians who say "4/4 is so dull" etc. and then go on to play exactly a 4/4 beat, albeit a slightly synchopated one. 4/4 does not necessarily mean 4 on the floor, or BOOM-tish-BOOM-tish crap.)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

???!!!LET'S JUST SPIN!!!???

― DJ GOD, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

54) not knowing that schaffel is 4/4 with triplets.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Please accept my apology if I used the term "4/4" incorectly.
I didn't mean to offend anyone with its misuse.
From this point, I'll call the drabby BOOM-tic-BOOM-tic-BOOM-tic beat "frewentch".

Therefore:
another one....
not knowing that a frewentch beat is generally the dullest beat of all!

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Not knowing that schaffel is not frewentch!

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!

Do music selectors actually play "IceIceBaby" and "UnderPressure" and expect people to dance? Are clubdrugs that potent these days!

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

doooooood! don't diss the ac / dc on the dancefloor!!!! if you can't dance to ac / dc. then, well, u can't dance.

ten total dc floorfillers (in no particular order)

1) highway to hell
2) touch too much
3) the jack
4) tnt
5) hells bells*
6) you shook me all night long*
7) high voltage
8) jailbreak
9) for those about to rock*
10) girls got rhythm

* - brian johnson's is usually best avoided but i'll make exceptions for these as they ROCK!

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

not knowing that a frewentch beat is generally the dullest beat of all!

How about not knowing that people have been making this same ill-informed assertion since the days of disco and despite all the bitching, the boompty boomp still keeps dancefloors moving all night long.

― jeffery (jeffery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Keeping dancefloors moving does not necessarily equal keeping people dancing.

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Just thought of a couple more...

55) Taking off the wrong record

56) Turning off the currently cued turntable by accident

57) Turning up the volume so loudly that the Limiter cuts the PA

58) Spilling beer in the mixer

― Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Keeping dancefloors moving does not necessarily equal keeping people dancing.

Where I come from, "keeping a floor moving" means "keeping the people dancing and having a good time".

In a previous post, you claimed that the one beat pattern that serves as the foundation of techno, house and all subsequent variants is the "dullest beat of all" and then you follow it up with this? C'mon.

― jeffery (jeffery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I live in Los Angeles where, because of a lacking public transportion system, you actually have to make a serious effort to drive to a bar and then be careful not to drink too much.

While this is horrible, it is not as horrible as arriving at said bar only to find some "scenester" posing as a DJ (and yes, in LA white belts and trucker hats are STILL the uniform, especially for DJs) playing the same predictable, terrible set.

So I've pretty much stopped going to bars in LA.

So let me say to all you DJs out there who think playing predictable AC/DC songs (xpost) in your set is clever and/or enjoyable- FUCK OFF!!!!

And I like AC/DC, especially Bon Scott AC/DC, but really, drop in "Fight For Your Right To Party" while you're at it you fucking LOSER!

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry about that- flashback to being surrounded in bar by meth-skinny guys with Oasis haircuts and low-rise jeans....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

jsoulja, i love you!

stirmonster: its not an AC/DC hate point; its a pacing point

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

spinbacks, like Blue Monday, are timelessy classic and will never be played out.

accidently playing the instrumental side when you meant to play the vocal side (see Planet Rock, Mr. Flagio, and others)

as bad as bad beatmatching is, let's shake our heads at people who, because they can hold a mix forever, insist on doing so, even though the songs sound terrible together.

DJs not having fun with transitions, endlessly beatmatching and fading and never cutting.

I dance behind the tables, and I've been known to run out onto the dancefloor and dance for a song then run back and keep mixing.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think it's clever as ac / dc are stoopid as hell. i certainly don't think it's enjoyable, i FUCKING KNOW it's enjoyable, ya freak.

i dj because i love it and if playing ac / dc records from time to time gives me and my crowd a hard on, who the hell are you to decide it's lame?

asswipe,

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm stupid -- what does spinback mean? xpost

stirmonster, do you dj junior high dances?

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you even read what I wrote?

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

59) taking several hundred magic mushrooms when yr supposed to be dj'ing to 5000 people.

60) throwing records out of the dj booth and breaking someone's nose.

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

nah mate, strictly barmitzvahs.

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I avoid having to learn to beatmatch by DJing drone and ambient music. No, I'm not kidding, either!

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It seems pretty consistent to me, Jeffrey. I am into selecting music at dance parties, and even dancing mice elf. I know this'll sound elitist, but people swaying to the lowest common denominator disco/techno/house is pretty dull to me. My problem with what has become "modern DJing" is not its idea to keep people on the dance floor, but having them act like extras from "night of the livng dead". I would assume that many who check out ILM would be more adventurous "DJs", and would love to go out and have someone who selects music that excites you, moves you (maybe more than a sway) and surprises you.
Having said that, it's possible that you've figured that I don't make a living as a public music selector. The small group of people who come out to dance to my selections are very appreciative, mainly because local DJs are more concerned with filling the dancefloor. I guess my problem has become the limiting of what is considered "dance music".

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

yea guys, how would you suggest I get practice music selecting / beat matching. I am going to be using a ppppppowerbook!@!

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

spinbacks are cool but must be utilized wisely. i actually like the old "start-stop" button trick more. i think some djs are scared that if they cut too much it will look like they cant mix. i think that every two tracks necessitate their own specific mix. if someone is cutting or overlaying too much, they are not actually listening. dancing is especially important, though ive heard some good sets where the dj has been so zoned into the mixing that they dont move at all. all that being said, id rather side with sasha than hiphop djs or mixers who are either too busy fucking around with scratching or trucker hats to actually combine their records in interesting ways. its not about mixing, just programming + matching. dave mancuso doesnt beatmix at all but supposedly he is amazing because he actually learns his records before he plays them, and can step up and and down with bpms and keys by memory.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Stencil! Schaffel isn't really strictly "4/4 with triplets." I mean, someone more musically literate than I might have a better way of looking at this, but the way you get a schaffel effect from any common sequencer is to program in 3/4 at a relatively high tempo. I should know, I have a megs and megs of derivative schaffel creations sitting in my Reason folder at home.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

WHAT IS A SPINBACK???????????????????????????

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what does spinback mean?

It's when you mix out of a record by rapidly spinning it backwards with your hand. It makes a squelshy rewind noise that inexpert DJs often overuse in the mistaken belief that it makes them sound like Jeff Mills.

― Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

hey oral, stirmonster is an up-and-coming DJ with a potentially good career ahead of him. I once heard him DJ at one of those optimo cigar shops when I was buying a lottery ticket. He did pretty well.

spinback is when you have 2 records playing and you take one of them and violently spin it in the opposite direction making a crazy rewind sound and before it starts to slow down you cut to the other record. This can be used to great effect and create real excitement in the midst of a mix...or it can be used to great effect to cover up a shit transition. But it ALWAYS SOUNDS COOL!

Aaron OTM! I can beatmatch but very often prefer to cut or even better, stop the record with the stop button so you get that pft... sound, wait a beat then let go of the other record. That always sounds great so long as the time is good. Especially good if you can't beatmatch the two records as well.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

kick (blank) hat | snare (blank) hat | kick (squish) hat | flamsnare snare (squeak)

― schaffelmensch (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

will you guys hate me if i go 100% digital

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

if i'm programming schaffel, i do it with the kik on the 3 / 7 / 11 / 15 and the hats as triplets.

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

61/ Not knowing that it might make sense select Bohannon, African Head Charge, Sabres of Paradise, Trouble Funk, Missy Elliot and Killing Joke in the same hour.

― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i think you should keep 5% analogue.

61/ Not knowing that it might make sense select Bohannon, African Head Charge, Sabres of Paradise, Trouble Funk, Missy Elliot and Killing Joke in the same hour.

-- peepee (citywideva...)

i'm there!

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

speaking of dancing while DJing...I was playing Bohannon at a loft party, ran out into the middle of the dancefloor during the break of a Let's Start To Dance edit, jumped up in the air, came down in a pool of beer, slipped, landed on my knee, then limped back to the booth. When I came home my jeans were stuck to my knee. It was really fucked up and I've got permanent scarrage.

so make that DJ Sing 539.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

easier than letting go of the record..
a = record playing over system, b=record in phones
match a and b, begin the mix, bring the crossfader to the middle, on the last beat of a bar, flip the corrsfader to a while hitting start/top on a's turntable, then blip the crossfader to b.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

JW, check your internet crepe.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

dude nabisco "Monstertruckdriver" is 4/4 and anybody else who says different don't know how to count.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

also everybody can watch me commit almost every single one of these sins (esp. "not being thin") next Tuesday when I dj with Dan Selzer at Rare!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

But it ALWAYS SOUNDS COOL!

I disagree...spinbacks sound cool when done properly with the right kinds of records, but even then should be used sparingly. Nothing sucks worse than having to listen to a DJ who insists on doing it again and again throughout a set irrespective if whether the records / crowd excitement level calls for it.

It also feels a bit too much like grandstanding.

― Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"the fingers you have used to spin this record are too fat. Please mash the keys on your CD player instead"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really all about playing good records, fuck the rest.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just being hyperbolic re: spinbacks.

hstencil and I will be 2notthin DJs tuesday. He will play Steve Reich's Four Organs, I will play I'm Going to Go by Jago, nobody will be happy.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

thin djs are so 20th century!

― stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

you got to have junk in your trunk to have the funk

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan I will play extended mix of "Running Up That Hill," will be surrounded by women in moustaches shouting praise at me.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil will play la monte young and I will play Time for the Percolator underneath it. It'll be the best meeting of minimalism and club music since Little Fluffy Clouds and Sueno Latino.

actually, I'll play a non-dance post-punk set probably with lots of DIY singles commemorating the fact that the party is for the new issue of Swingset Magazine which features an article i wrote about the Desperate Bicycles.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

oooh you had something in it? Nice. I've got four reviews. It's official - I'm a rock crit! (but I did it for free 'cause I'm a slut)

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

really, free? Swingset paid me 20 dollars a word. And replaced their cover with an Acute Records ad.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahhaahahahahah I'm gonna kill Sheila.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

kill Sheila for not mentioning the Desperate Bicycles on the flyer for the party in the section where they talk about what's contained in the magazine. i don't think they yet realize just how big a deal an article(even as poorly written and researched as mine) about the Desperate Bicycles is.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

d'oh! she's incurred the wrath of the SELZER!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

their loss...like I wonder if they mention The Desperate Bicycles on the cover, or if my article falls under "....and more!"

I don't mind it, but there's a very large market that would buy the magazine solo to read anything about that band, and I believe this is the 3rd time there's ever been any information published, the first being an article in an old UK issue of Slampft, then recently a short article in some weird euro fashion magazine writing about the aesthethics of DIY or something.

Intense discussion of the aesthethics of DIY, totally DJ sin #239

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(Actually, Stencil, I think this is the whole beauty of schaffel: it's one of the first ways yet of using a rhythm that's not strictly 4/4 to create something you can still dance to as if it is. Seriously, I don't know what the musically literate would call it or how anyone else would program it, but I guarantee you I could make an exact copy of Monstertruckdriver and the display on my sequencer would read 3/4. It's just fast enough to read differently: 1.2.3.2.2.3.3.2.3.4.2.3. Listen to the bass line on Raumschmiere's remix of 3hours; if he programmed that as anything other than a fast 3/4, he did it the hard way.)

(This is totally meaningless and irrelevant but I like talking about programming.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry to jump in and derail the thread, but is there any way to actually get some of the Desperate Bicycles, you know, music? Aside from paying tons of money for a 7-inch? Any CD-R comps floating around anywhere?

― Comment dits-on...eh... le NA? (Nick A.), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The CD-r comps circulating around came from me originally, and I've stopped sending them out(for the most part) after people were selling them on ebay and gemm. I'm sure you'll find someone who'll make you a copy, or maybe one day they'll allow the stuff to be reissued.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

dude nabisco, I know it's not cool and all, but music theory is your friend.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, so some dj's actually USE the xfader?
back when i was learning to mix (10 yrs ago now) i was mercilessly berated for relying on the xfader. so now i solely use my input level sliders to mix, and don't think i could go back to xfading - too little control over each signal

i'll add one:

62: not setting your gear up properly stable for a basement party and upon getting too excited with the peak of your set and jumping up and down, inadvertantly knocking the whole coffin off its stand onto the floor, hearing the record go "SKKKKRKKKK", the case go "THUNKK" and then having total silence while you stand there going from the highest high to the lowest low. (thankfully i only did this once)

oh and 63: staying with one style/genre for HOURS (i'm specifically thinking of ProgHouse and DnB djs) so that the set sounds like one megalong version of the same record

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(Does my friend music theory say "fast 3/4" = "not 3/4?" Cause from what I do know about time signatures, you pretty much default to using whichever one is easier to denote; I'd find the average Raumschmiere track a billion times easier to denote in a fast 3/4 than as a 4/4 with constant triplets. Besides, I've never used a sequencer that didn't understand 3/4 a hell of a lot better than triplets.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't use the crossfader.

I prefer the input faders to rotary knobs because it's easier to change both with one hand on the former.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I use whatever. Sometimes I fade things out by yelling over top of them.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

dude nabisco just give up it's not 3/4!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

TRIPLET
Understanding the TRIPLET is very important before moving on to the somewhat tricky "blues rhythms"....(especially the "shuffle" blues pattern).
The TRIPLET consists of three notes tied together and all three notes get played on ONE BEAT. Don't let the triplet confuse you....all three notes are played on one beat...and counted as one complete beat in the measure. Listen to Exercise #1 to hear how a triplet sounds. "on the beat".

Exercise #1: contains three measures with triplets and rests in each measure. The Time Signature is 4/4...which means 4 beats to the measure and the quarter note (and each TRIPLET) gets one beat.

Click on the SOUND Icon --> midi to hear Exercise #1.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"SHUFFLE PATTERN" ..or.. "Swinging Eighth Notes
You can now count whole, half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth notes...AND...you can count Triplets. Now let's look at the "swinging" eight notes, also referred to as a "shuffle pattern" in blues.

The "swinging eighth note" is written as two eighth notes

BUT the "swinging eighth note" is PLAYED like a dotted eighth note and a sixteenth note.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

1.2.3.2.2.3.3.2.3.4.2.3.

the music literate would call this pioneering new beat you described above as: "a waltz".

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Gygax, and A WALTZ IS FUCKING 3/4!!!!

Stencil, you're not quite listening: yes, if you are writing with triplets / swing / regular shuffle, that's most certainly 4/4, and you could certainly put together schaffel stuff that way. But schaffel has a feel that's slightly different from that. My guess is that that's because schaffel is put together using electronic sequencers that aren't typically user-friendly about programming triplets or doing very good hard shuffles. I've tried programming schaffel that way, and it bugs the living crap out of me. Programming schaffel as a very-fast 3/4, on the other hand, turns out -- for me -- to be a billion times simpler, and to capture the particular feel of e.g. Raumschmiere a whole lot better. The feel of what you're talking about is ever so slightly different from the feel of the same thing programmed out (in about a tenth of the time) as a fast 3/4, and you're welcome to come up to my apartment any time you want and observe a demonstration.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

cut-corner Raumschmiere, dude.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

HOW DO I BEAT MATCH POLYRHYTHMSASSAS

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no idea how Raumschmiere does his stuff, but listening to that remix of "3hours" my head would fucking explode if he didn't do that in a fast 3/4. It would just be weird. It's got that revolving three-note bass line -- with a true regular swing, one of those notes would be slightly longer!

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, my actual contribution to this thread = 64., the saddest DJ experience I have ever had. Walk up to booth (in small bar), say something like "Hey, nice, I'm surprised you're playing this, I used to really love this song." Him: "Yeah, well, I forgot switch discs when the last one ended."

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

well I disagree with you biscodisco but at least you're taking it seriously, which is better than the knee-jerk "music theory can't teach us anything" response. Which is a DJ sin as well as a rock crit sin.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread reminds me of why I prefer radio DJing to live DJing. Less pressure to please people, more room to throw a bunch of divergent styles together to see what sticks. I think I've committed 75% of the above crimes, from "not being thin" to not beat-matching. I mean, I've played the fucking Shaggs in my live DJ set.

― mike a, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM-Ruining microhouse for the universe.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

During the playing of a gaggle of (dance) music I selected, I played something which led the resident DJ of the club to come over and say "I wish I had the nerve to play that!"

I had two words to say to him:

"Duh"

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is reminding how much I hate 'eclectic' hipster dj's and the club nights they run. Just give me the 140bpm 909 kick all night long kthxbye.

― tylero (tylero), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"Just give me the 140bpm 909 kick all night long"
=
"Put me on a couch with my eyes taped open and make
me watch daytime television"

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the opposite of "eclectic hipster"?

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

schaffel is in 6/8

― sorry. (gcannon), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

frewentch is in 8/8

― peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the opposite of "eclectic hipster"?

"house music all night long"

― tylero (tylero), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

666. Not enough PLUR.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

as long as "eclectic" != "disjointed" aces!

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

you can be eclectic and play house music all night long. I don't really think No Way Back sounds like Big Fun sounds like Brake 4 Love sounds like Follow Me etc...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

House music is a big genre

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed

― the housefox (blueski), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Well shucks, I half expected this to be a thread started by Pat Robertson about 1000 Homo DJs!

Supah not!

* cymbal crash

Hey!
m.

― msp as rodney dangerfield, Thursday, 17 June 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(Aha, cannon is k-right: my illiterate "fast 3/4" = 6/8.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the biggest crime is not paying attention to what the crowd wants. Sure its important to play records you feel should be played but the last time i played out everybody loved it when i stuck some Fleetwood Mac. So when i was expecting to play dancey stuff I ended up playing Iggy, Velvet Underground etc. And it was good to make people happy. I am thin and i can't beat mix so If I'm playing some really long house I'll just mix Pam ayres in doing her West country poetry then stick on Jah Rule. Never fails.

― noggin out with sharon davies, Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I am thin and i can't beat mix so If I'm playing some really long house I'll just mix Pam ayres in doing her West country poetry then stick on Jah Rule. Never fails

... to clear the floor?

― rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

that should read Break 4 Love up there, btw.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan otm, as per.

eclecticism is the most pimped out gimmick around, as regards DJing. Not to dismiss it entirely, whatever "it" is, but the idea that eclecticism is somehow more difficult to harness than purity, in dance music, is nonsense. And I say that meaning that finding a common thread among records from different genres can make a great set, but the effort to do this is important.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 18 June 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

60) throwing records out of the dj booth and breaking someone's nose.

61 (or whatever): throwing records out of the DJ booth, cutting someone's head open and then ending your set because of "the trauma" (Sasha did this at my old student union last week. No I wasn't there)

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 18 June 2004 08:20 (twenty-two years ago)

the word 'eclectic' makes me wanna puke. loving different styles of music and wanting to play them all does not = ec**ect*c.

― stirmonster, Saturday, 19 June 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Shaffel is really more like 12/8 < / pedant >

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Saturday, 19 June 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

59) taking several hundred magic mushrooms when yr supposed to be dj'ing to 5000 people.
60) throwing records out of the dj booth and breaking someone's nose.

-- stirmonster (jd_twitc...), June 16th, 2004.

hahaha!! i'd forgotten about this thread.

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

60 answers and nobody mentions the cardinal sin of NOT LOOKING AT THE DANCEFLOOR EVAR

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Clarke B. OTM abt 12/8 (he wrote belatedly)

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I laugh my head off if I look too much at the dancefloor. "They're dancing! look at them!". I think it's nerves.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Ah, yes...back when people still gave a f&ck.

― viborgu, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Shaffel is NOTHING like 12/8 < / überpedant >

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Anyone ever been out anywhere where the DJ tries to send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement by playing two tracks in a row?

E.g. I once heard the Strokes new single around the time it came out, followed by 'Dedicated follower of fashion'. Hoho.

I'm sure there's been more, too. Usually it's along the lines of "oh hey this credible indie/rock track you all love is actually a rip-off of this little-known PWL song from the 80s!"

― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:16 (sixteen years ago)

i do it but only if I like both songs.

― dan selzer, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:45 (sixteen years ago)

i do it too, but again, like dan says.

― stirmonster, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:59 (sixteen years ago)

I <3 this thread.

Even if I violate the Not Being Thin rule.

I do however heed the "being at least 50% female at all times" rule.

― hüzün (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)

I once heard the Strokes new single around the time it came out, followed by 'Dedicated follower of fashion'.

oh thats so bad

― NI, Sunday, 23 August 2009 15:15 (sixteen years ago)

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