The best song ever recorded in the history of humankind was "Everything's Gone Green" by New Order

IM GOING TO START MY OWN GREBO BURRITO TAPENADE AND TIRE EXCHANGE BOARD!

How ridiculous.

THERE IS FAR FAR SHITTIER THAN EVERYTHINGS GONE GREEN, TRUE FAITH AND THAT BALL FLAPPING VIDEO SUCKED TEH TESTEEZ

I remember them very fondly. I even picked up their abortive reunion album (well, live reunion album) which didn't even feature all the original members (One More No More). I still love a few of their early tracks, but they honestly haven't aged very well.

i remember seeing them live on their first NYC appearnce (with Swervedriver opening, no less) at the late, lamented Marquee on 21st (now a Latino dance club....yeah, we really needed another one of those). The Ned's were hyperkinetic. I've never witnessed that much endearingly needless leaping about.

I wish I lived in a world where Ned's Atomic Dustbin were remembered fondly instead of with derision.

Don't worry, you do. I have nothing but happy memories of being 14 and bouncing around my room to "Kill Your Television". GOD FODDER may not have aged well in that it definitely sounds like something that was recorded in 1991, but it's still a damn fine album.

EGG is an amazing song. Not sure it's the *bestest* New Order song ever, but it's pretty up there.

On the money!

**In Movement they're still clearly in mourning, trying as much to sound like the old Joy Division as possible,**

A long way OFF the money, IMHO. I think Ceremony/IALP was the mourning recd. Movement is meloncholy at times yes, but definitely there's light and hope - they're trying out some fantastic NEW (i.e not what Joy Div would've done) ideas here, in fact the album is brimming with them. Many of them involve M. Hannett's unique sound-squeezing techniques. That they never really followed up with any of the possible directions that Movement mapped out is a shame, but at least we have the album itself - their best. Mind you, the direction they chose to go in wasn't bad was it?

The rest of what you have to say, Marcello, is absolutely spot-on. I played the 12" this morning - the section from around 3 mins to 3.20 is f-cking amazing - the track jogs on the spot, then that synthetic crescendo that fades-in and unleashes guitar and bass for the final ecstatic run-out is spine-tingling. And we get the first Barney whoop! Another great moment is when Steve starts hitting the hi-hat disco-style earlier on (after a minute or so).

Procession - yes fantastic too. The band hate it!

Of course the best way to own EGG is on the FBN8 12" with Cries and Whispers and Mesh on the the flip.

That is absolutely correct.

Completely and absolutely OTM. I love playing this single out (or even when I'm in at home).

Another great thing about EGG - the way that Barney and Hooky's voices are out of synch ('I'll hurt you when I can' & 'It seems like I've been here before')

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/graphics/egg.jpg

(if so then that's my favorite new order cover art rjg)

http://www.bilbyweb.com.au/neworder/greensmall.jpg

That's because of its lazer-like accuracy.

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/8182ep.html

re-reading some New Order website I've come accross this again:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/compilations/fbwl.html

which brings up the fact that some of NO's earliest sessions were recorded at Wester Works, which is Cabaret Voltaire's studio. That has to be my dream collaboration, if they had worked together anytime in the early 80s. Throw in a John Robie remix and I'd be in heaven...

ihttp://members.rogers.com/james.shum/images/NewOrder/downloads/fbn22.jpg

haha, quite possibly my three least favorite New Order albums (though I'd probably sub Brotherhood for Technique.

EGG is fabulous, perhaps the only New Order single that continues to grow on me after fifty listens or so. How anyone could say that it's the worst song on Substance when "State of the Nation" exists is beyond me.

"Murder" is fantastic.

Cries and Whispers and Mesh's titles are reversed on the cover of FBN 8. I don't know about the FACTUS EP, since I don't have it. To further confuse things the track named 'Mesh' on Substance is actually 'C+W', but C+W is correctly named on the Box Set. The FACTUS EP wasn't only a US release, it was widely available over here too.

**which brings up the fact that some of NO's earliest sessions were recorded at Wester Works,**

Yes, they tried Kevin Hewick for singer. The only recorded track out of those sessions is 'Haystack' from one of the Crepuscule (I forget which) compilations. It's also on the Kevin Hewick reissue CD on Cherry Red, which ALSO has the EP that KH did with The Sound. There are crap quality boots of other stuff that NO did at the Western Works including 'Homage' with Steve Morris singing.

I heard the Substance version first, it's my favorite song of all-time.

Movement_, _Technique_ and _Get Ready_ are the three great New ORder albums.

It seems I've finally found the Get Ready appreciation thread. On another NO thread I said it was their best after "Technique" and was met with the deafening sound of indifference.

We were both kinda close: "Lonesome Tonight" was the b-side for "Thieves Like Us". The "TLU" instrumental was the b-side of "Murder". They were released only a month apart. Easy to get confused.

once out of reach
we never speak, we never compromise...

or is it the song with the lyrics

though the desire, the empty sea
something something fears, all we ever see

we made a contract, filled with snow (or something)?

Murder is an interesting little quirk in their career, but it took me years to really appreciate it.

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Actually, this is one of the few times when I liked a song more after I heard a better (Substance) version of it.

though the desire, the empty sea
hopes and fears, all we ever see

we made a contract...

http://www.neworderonline.com/Song.aspx?SongID=86

http://www.neworderonline.com/Song.aspx?SongID=37

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/singles/egg.html

Not that they've ever been known as they greatest of lyricists to begin with, but the lyrcs to "Thieves Like Us" make me wince.

And god bless the 81-82 EP with the only truthful title. God came down and sat on my turntable the day I bought that record.

only "AND IT CUTS YOUR LIFE LIKE A BROKEN KNIFE" bothers me. The rest is quite lovely.

I mean, I didn't give a Dave Matthews.

What you say here is correct Bimble - just to clear up the confusion on the other thread I thought when people referred to the EP, they meant FBN 8, not the FACTUS EP.

Kyle - the song with the lyrics 'Once Out Of Reach etc etc' is C&W.

**is the first version of ceremony not on the box set? is it available on slsk under some kind of identifiable name? to this day I still have never heard it.**

Not on the box set, no. I don't know about slsk, I don't go there! It's 4.34 (I think) and the Gill version is 4.23 ish. You can get it on the 7" FAC 33 and on a few versions of the FAC 33T (white sleeve with a blue stripe). I think there is no way to tell which one you're getting if you buy FAC 33T.

**you can get the original version of Ceremony on a Rhino records post punk comp.If you are interested i'll go thru my collection & get you the name of it.By the way the original version is much better.**

That's interesting. I'd like to get the name of that. The band don't like the original and that's why it hasn't been on any official NO compilation.

the original certainly has more of a joy division flavor to it. if you're really curious and don't slsk, email me.

Kites and Whippets

HA HA HA HA!! Heaven help me breathe, Jesus. Good one, Ned.

The copper coloured sleeve of Ceremony represents the original version. I can't say I prefer it to the Substance version, but since it's my nomination for most beautiful song ever it's quite possible someone could do a death metal version and I'd still swoon over it. The original version is slower and comes out sounding a little rough, like they hadn't quite rehearsed it enough - which of course you can look at as being part of it's charm etc. I hate to split hairs over this.

As far as finding it online, I found the original version about two years ago on a non-Soulseek file sharing program as being listed as "Joy Division - Ceremony (original)" despite the fact that of course Ian C. is nowhere to be found on it and it matches the version on my copper coloured 12". The length is 4.40 and I renamed it on my computer as New Order - Ceremony (Original). I had it up on slsk for a long while but just haven't been on slsk in about two weeks. Regardless it seems to me you shouldn't have a problem finding it. Especially since my Substance CD tells me the other version is 4.23 in length.

Dan I am so overjoyed that as of today you are no longer a C&W virgin. [sniff sniff - grabs tissue, feeling like a parent watching his son/daughter get married]

Kites and Whippets

HA HA HA HA!! Heaven help me breathe, Jesus. Good one, Ned.

The copper coloured sleeve of Ceremony represents the original version. I can't say I prefer it to the Substance version, but since it's my nomination for most beautiful song ever it's quite possible someone could do a death metal version and I'd still swoon over it. The original version is slower and comes out sounding a little rough, like they hadn't quite rehearsed it enough - which of course you can look at as being part of it's charm etc. I hate to split hairs over this.

As far as finding it online, I found the original version about two years ago on a non-Soulseek file sharing program as being listed as "Joy Division - Ceremony (original)" despite the fact that of course Ian C. is nowhere to be found on it and it matches the version on my copper coloured 12". The length is 4.40 and I renamed it on my computer as New Order - Ceremony (Original). I had it up on slsk for a long while but just haven't been on slsk in about two weeks. Regardless it seems to me you shouldn't have a problem finding it. Especially since my Substance CD tells me the other version is 4.23 in length.

Dan I am so overjoyed that as of today you are no longer a C&W virgin. [sniff sniff - grabs tissue, feeling like a parent watching his son/daughter get married]

When love is at home it's the best.

Love is The Cure for every evil.

I was listening to Movement this morning and realised it's the New Order album that Disco Inferno seem closest to in both sound and intent - all those spectral synths and sonics in the mix are only a decade of technological advances away from DI's midi-soundscapes.

so does that new order box set have a bunch of the 7" and 12" mixes of the early singles that haven't otherwise made it to compact disc

No. But I disagree whith Kyle in that the Retro is a mess. Some of the dance mixes are inessential, but the live stuff is 90% ace and CD5 is good with Best & Marsh, Such A good Thing, Let's Go (original version), the video version of The PErfect Kiss, the full length Elegia and a brutal version of Transmission amongst others.

Here To Stay
Don't Do it (from Fine Time 12")
Touched by the Hand of Dub (TBTHOD b-side)
Mesh
Confused Beats
Confusion Instrumental
Dub-Vulture
Bizarre Dub Triangle
Shellcock
Blue Monday 1988
Blue Monday 1988 Dub
Beach Buggy
True Faith - The Morning Sun edit.
Fine Time - Messed Around Mix
Fine Line.
Run 2
Round & Round - Detriot Mix
Round & Round - Club Mix
Vanishing Point - Instrumental 'Making Out' Mix
MTO
MTO Minus Mix
World In Motion - various versions
EGG remixes by The Advent
various remixes of the Regret/World/Ruined in A Day/Spooky/Crystal/Someone like You/60 Miles An Hour/Here To Stay singles
Behind Closed Doors (Crystal 12")
True Faith/Atmosphere/Temptation/Isolation (Live at Reading 98)
Sabotage
The soundtracks for the Taras Shevchenko and Pumped Full of Drugs videos
Player in The League
Rocking Carol/Ode to Joy (Xmas flexi)
The other tracks off the Salvation Soundtrack (Sputnik, Salvation soundtrack and the other one I can't remember)

(I caught the video off "other side of midnight" back in the day)