i "get" the fall now

PS - I-ah am so fuckin-ah hungover-ah

Open the box. Open the box. Open the goddamn box.

Yeah, Off the Wall, what a piece of shit.

I don't know why but this line off Real New..gets stuck in my head all the time.

does patrin still post here?

Not like you did that much when I posted under my real name, either, but I ain't hatin'.

http://goldenfiddle.com/

I like "Can't Stop Till You Get Enough" and the Fall! It's totally possible!

:)

His most recent show had Ringo Starr coming on to the sounds of "Jawbone and the Air Rifle"...

http://hp-h.com/w/fall/lyrics.html

http://www.eskimo.com/~jackd/postSize/Fall_Fan.JPG

This is a ridiculous question - if you listen to any thick accent enough, you will start to understand it.

Just pay attention, fuckface. < / mes >

i sorta got the fall before

but now i feel i get them in a 'now they will never leave my roster of favourite bands' way

the fall

At some point, I will try again to 'get' the Fall in a "This is listenable and interesting" way.

dont bother sundar

Please bother - in a world where most bands lyrics are total nonsense, MES makes every word count. The economy of his lyric writing is just incredible. And that's just one reason. Another is that the band is always pushing forward. Most artists are happy to sit back and rehash past glories. You won't catch MES doing that.

i don't get them.

Keep listening.

x-post Me neither.

There's a Lou Reed interview where he explains that in the early days of the Velvet Underground, he was trying to write lyrics that had the same imagery and simple language of Raymond Chandler. MES more than just about any other lyricist embodies that idea. Listen to "Bingo Masters Break Out", not a single word is wasted. "Glass of lager in his hand, silver microphone in his hand, wasting time on numbers and rhymes...", puts you in that ratty bingo hall and gets across exactly what he means.

The fact that every hipster band from Pavement to LCD Soundsystem has kinda dulled the impact that the Fall made at the time, I can understand why people don't get them... (though it is a mystery 2 me why people make an effort to "get" bands).

It's like when you put on a lesser Stones record you've never heard and yet it sounds so familiar because it's been distilled by imitators for 30-40 years that it's entered any major music fan's consciousness through inluential osmosis.

It's not my favorite song of theirs, but I think Jawbone & Air Rifle was one of the first Fall tracks that made me reconsider my usual policy of not paying attention to lyrics.

not buyin the dulled by imitation thing--i like tons of equally influential bands from that era a lot. also ppl make an effort to "get" bands because those bands are highly regarded by other ppl whose taste they respect or feel an affinity with. it's not complicated!

so is my problem that lyrics are way way down on the list of things i look for in a rock band?

it is possible to love the fall without paying much attention to the lyrics, and possible to love the lyrics (or rather, their intonation) without paying any attention to what is being said

yeah i didn't used to get them but daaaamn once i got them i got them

yeah i don't think you need to care about lyrics at all

the fall is amazing stfu ilm

xpost, yeah the fall is all about the music! mes is just the icing on an already fine cake!

i had my 'real new fall lp' revelation today, and am currently mid-bend sinister

one of the best things about the fall is that the 90's/00's techno stuff is as good as the early clank-and-growl, because both are just as careeningly insane as the other

I will never like The Fall.

good for you, want a cookie?

I don't remember when I "got" the Fall, but there was definitely a switch that flipped from "do not want" to "FUCK YEAH" -- maybe 10 years ago?

I want a fucking cookie too, if there are cookies to be handed out.

i've never heard the fall

i also want a cookie

ian's making cookies?? what kind!

Eat Yrself Fritters

one of the best things about the fall is that the 90's/00's techno stuff is as good as the early clank-and-growl, because both are just as careeningly insane as the other

When I hear the phrase "careeningly insane" I can think of a few dozen other groups better described that way ... and that's without thinking very hard.

we're talking a sort of drunken, irreverent careen here...my words are carefully-chosen

also 'insane' does not necessarily mean 'full-throttle'; often there is a creeping mania to their work

careeningly insane is a perfect description of the Fall

I dunno, I think that phrase better describes the Birthday Party and a fair amount of free jazz. Most of the Fall songs I've heard seems fairly rigid or at least constrained in the way that a lot of the post-punk bands of that era/place were.

nah i mean mark e. is fucking insane

nick cave was just acting

Nick Cave was just acting a heroin addict.

think i've got 'this nation's saving grace' somewhere on my cd shelf but i'm pretty indifferent to them. definitely do not feel any need to buy more fall albums, i hardly ever listen to TNSG

Nick Cave was just acting a heroin addict.

― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah he was an addict but nick is waaaaaay more put on that mark e. i mean he's an actor, that's his thing (and i say this as a total fan of nick cave)...you know what i mean

agreed ... I'm just saying that I think the Birthday Party's music had more of an insane quality than The Fall, which seemed more controlled. ... not saying that's a bad thing at all.

maybe you just don't "get" the fall

"get" it?

someday you will "get" them and you can post to this thread and say i "get" the fall now

I got them and then sold them back to the record store.

but now i feel i get them in a 'now they will never leave my roster of favourite bands' way

I didn't get there until I was familiar with five albums. And it took me, like, 16 years to pick up that fifth album. Now that I've heard more than a dozen, I think it could have been any five albums that would have pushed me over the top. Eerily consistent. As brilliant as their best singles are, I think you've just got to accumulate some broad listening for all the details to pile up, and the wonderful and frightening world becomes vivid. Which makes them sound not fun. But that's not true at all.

It might be wrong to think of them as a post-punk band. "I like Wire and I like Essential Logic and I like Gang of 4, but this isn't doing it for me".

Given how many records there are and how many musicians have passed through and how many styles they've skimmed, they're like their own fucking genre. Like how you need to hear a few reggae or house records before you "get" it.

There's more Krautrock in The Fall than there is post-punk, for a start. But I don't really get people trying to get something they don't like, either.

man if i would have never tried to get coltrane..or any jazz..or classical music...or punk...or like anything i listen to pretty much.. or any number of things that i didn't like at first i would have really missed out

Xhuxk's writing on the Fall is definitely classic. I can't say I've really noticed the Branca-esque guitars myself though.

And it's not like I spend hours listening to the Fall, trying to appreciate them. But, you know, once in a while, I try something new or different or try to approach something from a different perspective? Or at least try to understand things? I wouldn't learn or expand my tastes much at all if I never got past my first impressions of anything.

xpost Yeah.

I do hear how they were an influence on Pavement, but only on the aspects of Pavement that I find least appealing, like the couple of tracks I always skip on Slanted and Enchanted.

things i did not like at first:

- coffee
- grown-up food
- running
- walking

I guess it's the idea of working at it that I find alien. I do tend to latch onto new things quite quickly, but even when it takes me time to come around on something it never feels like I've worked to get there, it just seems to happen by osmosis over time.

Also some of these comparisons are daft...there are things you develop a taste for, but in the great ocean of culture I can't ever see a need to think "oh I must learn to like this, it's good for me". Fuck, the Fall are not spinach.

Believe me, I'm not trying that hard with this band!

i did not like the fall at all, at first, just sayin'...bits and pieces wormed their way in, song by song

also ppl make an effort to "get" bands because those bands are highly regarded by other ppl whose taste they respect or feel an affinity with. it's not complicated!

^^^you're contradicting yourself here^^^ it is not complicated to "get" bands. it's the effort to get them that complicates things.

I like the Fall and spinach about the same -- they're ok, just not things I'm super into.

"Rowche Rumble" became one of my all time favorite songs the very first time I heard it. I dunno, you like em or you don't.

Things I worked at listening to carefully after hating at first and now I'm really glad I did:

Sonic Youth
Free Improv
The Fall

well there's not that much to GET with the fall: and the repetition, repetition, repetition that there is leads to cultish delusions about the last 20 years of their output, and those cultish delusions lead to mark e smith having zero reasons to stop being a dissipated alcoholic and try and make an effort with his art ever again - getting sidetracked here -

i mean i think it's more a matter of long-term openmindedness than going 'okay, i will listen to this record once a day until i like it', really

and the fall, you know, they're a rock band who are interested in repetition and they have this kinda smart kinda drunk mancunian guy singing, but not really singing, and sometimes the racket the repetition makes kinda hooks up with the kinda smart kinda drunk mancunian guy and it adds up to something surprisingly great and unique, and sometimes it doesn't.

'free improv' > spinach > the fall > sonic youth

although on a good day spinach maybe first

I'm fine with like, dislike and ambivalence. And I recognise that some people like to stretch their taste muscles in a programmatic way too. I was really just saying "wow that's an alien concept to me I am kind of lackadaisical about how I end up liking what I like".

thomp's reading of the Fall seems reductive to me and I wouldn't take MES's lyrics as absolute manifesto. They don't do repetition any more than 80 percent of artists in popular music.

and the fall-uh, you know-uh, they're a rock-uh band-uh who are interested-uh in repetition and-uh they have this-uh kinda smart-uh kinda drunk-uh mancunian guy singing-uh, but not really-uh singing-uh, and sometimes-uh the racket-uh the repetition-uh makes kinda hooks-uh up-uh with the kinda smart-uh kinda drunk-uh mancunian guy-uh and it adds-uh up-uh to something-uh surprisingly great-uh and unique-uh, and sometimes-uh it doesn't-uh.

In fact repetition is pretty central to most music but that doesn't make music "just" repetition.

'free improv' > spinach > the fall > sonic youth

with you, though I'd switch the fall and sonic youth.

LOL Sonic Youth are my next big project! It's *all* on Spotify. Where does my time go...

I'd say there's a lot of inexplicable chemistry that makes a Fall song a great musical experience. Dark, manic energies interfering with one another. There's a lot of variation whence these energies are drawn; there's no single manifesto or method. What links it all together is an attitude which cannot be described any more concisely than 'The Fall'.

lol steve i was not contradicting myself. do people who wonder why others try to "get bands" not read reviews or articles or have friends that listen to music?

I seriously put my fingers in my ears when peeps try to tell me about stuff I should listen to. I know this is my problem, not theirs.

Saying you don't get the Fall is also a lot like saying you don't get Fleetwood Mac. Without getting down to specific songs/albums, it's pretty meaningless. Unless you just hate M.E.S.'s voice. In which case there's still Hotel Bloedel.

spinach if fucken tasty u guys xp

*is

It really depends on how the spinach is prepared though. Got any good recipes?

xp actually in the hierarchy I'd stipulate good free improv, ... when it's good it's awesome, when it's mediocre, I'd rather be listening to just about anything else.

MES may show an outward dissolution but he and his BAND have been concentrating very effectively upon their art for most of the past 20 years, I'd say. They've certainly turned out some extremely striking, stimulating music.

As for choosing whether I heed someone's recommendation, it generally depends upon the nature of the recommendation itself. We've worked on our critical faculties for a reason!

favorite is in a curry - aloo palak or something similar xps

And yeah, I defy any music-listener on earth to hate EVERY Fall song!

Stouffer's spinach soufflé is surprisingly good.

xp

Dude, never underestimate people's ability to hate.

why is this becoming a "you just haven't heard the right one" thing?

And yeah, I defy any music-listener on earth to hate EVERY Fall song!

pretty sure my grandma is capable of this.

ugh cannot agree, sadly. mom used to cook that stuff when i was younger and i was not a fan xp

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_y7NNYK54mfI/SA4c9u4fi4I/AAAAAAAAABg/miKGFkapa3A/s320/Ultimate%2BSpinach%2B-%2BUltimate%2BSpinach.jpg

btw i'd rather talk about spinach than go through the usual 'u must really LISTEN to the fall, man, before u get them'

sorry i'm being a dick, will leave thread now

Yeah, see that's the thing. It works in curry for me but the souffle's not my thing. Also, it's pretty vile when just boiled. Classic: fried in omelette or in pasta sauce, usu with mushrooms.

xposts

it can be good-uh in a salad-uh.

http://cdn.pitchfork.com/media/worst-album-covers/ultimate-spinach-box.gif

now trying to work out which Fall song The Lex would like

the way this thread is simultaneously discussing Saag curry and approaches to critical listening is very MES.

The Lex would like "Hit the North", wouldn't he?

xp boiled spinach is no good. Steaming it can be good, though the salt is key.

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=505

^^ that just links back to the ilx home page for me.

Has MES ever cryptically referred to the Ultimate Spinach "Boston Sound" marketing fiasco? He should.

"Bonzo played the tea party for ivy yanks with a suit from MGM in the back"

^^ that just links back to the ilx home page for me.

me too

Oh I wondered why it didn't just display the title instead of the link. Sorry everybody.

It was supposed to say Too Much Time on ILX

there was actually a band called Ultimate Spinach?

i never boil or steam spinach. sauteed w/ some garlic and olive oil is pretty tasty

xpost

Yep. They were at the back of my mind when I said The Fall isn't spinach.

oh xp, it's a 77 thread, that's why. i am not among the chosen few

Re: Ultimate Spinach

http://www.punkblowfish.com/BosstownSound.html

The first Earth Opera album is actually pretty good.

yeah, I think sautéeing is probably more accurate ... garlic, olive oil and sea salt.

xp the fact they're from Boston makes it make sense.

yea sea salt is special isn't it

so important

sea salt is so much better than the Fall.

haha yes

i think i "get" spinach now

if you don't like it just cook it and cook it until you think to sautee it and then bam you're sprung

maybe if I sautéed a Fall album in garlic and olive oil and added sea salt I'd like it more.

add some choclate and cambembert

I don't "get" spinach at all I think people who like it are deluded and silly.

if there was a fall vs spinach poll i wonder who would win

calling steely dan vs pepper for the spice tbh

add some choclate and cambembert

that sounds horrible! Why would you do this?

xp Red Hot Chili Peppers (the band) vs. Red Hot Chili Peppers (the food)

The Fall (the band) vs. The Fall (of man)

band vs book is the obvious choice there really

i agree that my version of the fall upthread is reductive btw but i'm more bothered about spinach right now

here is some atypical but tasty looking palak paneer

http://lartculinaire.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/palak_paneer.jpg

poll idea: MES READS

- colin wilson, 'ritual in the dark'
- mailer, 'deer park'
- camus (duh), 'the fall'
- m r james, not sure which one to go for
- h p lovecraft, 'the strange case of charles dexter ward'
- luke rhinehart, 'the dice man'

there are others but they're not coming to mind right now

^^ see, those cheese cubes are just too rich for me, or it's a combination of the rich cheese and the oil, but I can't eat these without unpleasant aftereffects.

Thomp, choose Count Magnus - it mentions Chorazin, which is also mentioned (as Chorazina) in Spector vs Rector.

'If any man desires to obtain a long life, if he would obtain a faithful messenger and see the blood of his enemies, it is necessary that he should first go into the city of Chorazin, and there salute the prince....

when i make a saag curry i switch paneer up w/ tofu (i sautee the tofu first before throwing it in the curry), it's really good. u simmer that and the tofu absorbs all the flavor xp

^^ that I could eat.

I'll try sauteeing spinach tonight! It's OK with regular salt?

I know, I can't hack paneer either. Oh, to have the stomach I had when I was 21.

xposts Oh, tofu would probably work perfectly!

yea it's really good

yeah regular salt is fine. I have this big bag of sea salt I was given as a gift a while back, so I use sea salt in place of regular salt in most everything.

that sounds horrible! Why would you do this?

sarahel--it was a lj reference. read from here on down

List your culinary disasters.

I still don't understand the thought process behind this.

Here's my Vegan Saag recipe- LEEKS ARE THE KEY

Recipe- Channa Saag

8 or 9 large leaves of dark greens (kale, chard) or a large head of spinach.
1 medium leek, sliced
1 12oz can chickpeas
3 Tbs soy butter
2 tablespoons grated fresh ginger
3 garlic cloves, crushed

2 tsp ground coriander (or grind 1 Tbs whole seeds)
2 tsp ground cumin (or 1 Tbs whole seeds)
2 tsp ground fennel (or 1 Tbs whole seeds)
1 teaspoon turmeric

1/3 to 1/2 cup soy yogurt

- heat butter in skillet, medium
- add ground spices, after they become fragrant ~30 sec, add ginger and garlic
- add leeks and chickpeas
- reduce heat a little cook ~10 minutes
- strip off rough stalks of greens, chop greens with slicing blade of food processor
- add greens
- when wilted, add 1/3 yogurt. If it still looks dry, add enough to make creamy

That sounds really nice! I'm saving that one.

Also, Louis, I was going to say that I only even bothered posting to this thread because you were bigging up the Fall. I usually find you reliable. Today, I downloaded Darkspace on the strength of your recommendation. However, after following Mr Que's link, I'm a little hesitant to trust your judgment again.:P

Oh, to have the stomach I had when I was 21.

Yeah, same here. It just gets worse the older one gets ... my mom let me know what "joys" lie in store. Basically, I'm sure when I hit 50 I'll definitely be taking up reading in the bathroom.

Think of that dish as my Kula Shaker moment! ;)

:(

xpost

xp Vomit Launch more like.

(Yeah, I *really* liked Kula Shaker when I was a bit younger. Much as I *really* thought it was a good idea to combine those erstwhile foodstuffs. Now I "get" that experimental chefs know all the basics firsr)

great story, louis

i agree that my version of the fall upthread is reductive btw but i'm more bothered about spinach right now

here is some atypical but tasty looking palak paneer

unputdownable

Hope you enjoy that Darkspace, btw! It's monstrous and yet rattles by surprisingly quickly. One of the spriest depictions of infinite oblivion I've heard.

Now, can we have some more recipes? Preferably in a MES-style ramble.

^^ and with the "uhs" at the end of each phrase.

Why does he do that BTW? When I went to Northern England, no one sounded that retarded.

When I was in high school choir, the choir director would always harangue us about not enunciating enough. I'd respond by doing MES impressions.

trying to imagine a female american teenager doing MES impressions, the resulting image is both cute and utterly incongruous

I'd alternate between MES and Johnny Rotten ... his repertoire selections were really boring. Even when he picked an interesting song, the arrangement would be dull.

You should have suggested an ensemble interpretation of The Classical

...also if there had been a girl doing MES interpretations as an act of rebellion at MY high-school, I'd probably have gotten into The Fall much, much quicker

I wasn't even that familiar with the songs, had one or two on compilations ... it's just the vocal affectation was so distinctive.

and then you discovered spinach ;_;

trying to imagine a female american teenager doing MES impressions,

xpost

Brix?

actually I discovered spinach at an early age. My mom makes pesto with it, and reduces the amount of basil called for in the traditional recipe. She got third place in a cooking contest with that recipe - it was spinach pesto stuffed mushrooms.

also if there had been a girl doing MES interpretations as an act of rebellion at MY high-school, I'd probably have gotten into The Fall much, much quicker

Okay, I just did the math ... when I was doing this, you would have been 3 years old.

Chillax, I didn't necessarily mean you! What am I, a creep? :D

Such a gesture would denote taste, spark and distinction in any lady.

no, I'm just reminded that I'm old.

I give thanks that girls were not doing MES impressions at my high school.

Um, no dis to you, sarahel? [/tries to disengage foot from mouth]

it actually evened itself out in total ... most of the rest of my section were mumblers.

I missed something on this thread.

oh I never got this band!

His style was very like Dylan except more aggressive, perhaps. The Fall seems like they are about Mark Smith's attitude more than anything, meaning his acerbic attitude. I don't think I like bands who are defined maybe more by factors other than music.

x_x

MES is straight edge?

U&K:
i) Is it a good idea to sautee zucchini along with the spinach?
ii) I saw a recipe for spinach sauteed in balsamic vinegar. This is intriguing but should I stick with olive oil/garlic on the first try?

i) Is it a good idea to sautee zucchini along with the spinach?

Cause I'm a little low on spinach. This would fill out the recipe.

zucchini is good with olive oil/garlic. The cooking times for both things might not be the same. With the spinach recipe, timing is very important.

How do you know when it's done?

Success!

FALL SOUND

Now that dinner is done, remember:

Don’t eat
It’s disallowed
Suck on marrowbones and energy from the mainland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzmpnQtI9bc

holy fuck @ 'octo realm/ketamine sun'

like, really, holy fuck

this 'unutterable' album is a bit good isn't it

hahahahahaha 'midwatch 1953' ok i love this band so very very much

Oprah Winfrey studied bees!

My first Fall purchase was Grotesque. My friend Lisa and I went CD shopping and I got that and she bought Yerself is Steam. We put Grotesque in first and listened and after about 2 mins into "How I Wrote Elastic Man" I looked at her and she looked at me and we both started laughing, like, okay this sucks let's try the Mercury Rev. And we both liked that one a lot. 15 years on I can't believe that was my intitial reaction to the fucking Fall which is now my all time fave band.

that was a good day's cd shopping

my initial reaction to the fall was i think 'ugh get this stupid crap outta my head' and it persisted for a while. now the fall is probably in my top 20, maybe 10. and rising.

but, and this is probably SACRILEGE, imo the fall got better after the 80's. don't sb me! the early stuff is still flat-out awesome (Perverted By Language and Bend Sinister probably being my two favourites), but much of the later stuff just hits a tiny bit harder for me

Not sure it's sacrilege - I pretty much unreservedly love everything they did until Fall Heads Roll, and even those albums I return to every now and then with great enjoyment. I do get a slight feeling of the foot coming off the pedal in the '90s slightly, but really, it's all great.

Got the new single the other day, it's nothing special, especially the lyrics, but somehow it just clicks in your head and won't leave, so I go round saying things like 'That's the chance I take!' to myself all the bloody time.

I haven't really heard the *early* 90's material much, although the Past Gone Mad compilation is pretty good, and a good deal of Code: Selfish (ESPECIALLY 'TBSOBS' WHICH SLAYS) is excellent.

But that run from Light User Syndrome through Country On The Real New Fall Whatever is just...unimpeachable music

also a big shout-out to julia nagle, who >>>>>>>> brix

There's obviously a lot of classic 80's Fall albums but I find myself going back to the late 90's early 00's period more. I think Real new Fall LP might be my favourite album of theirs. The Unutterable, Levitate and Light User Syndrome aren't as consistent but are all pretty great.

Fall Heads Roll is fairly patchy but I love Midnight In Aspen, it's my nomination for their most underrated song. Ride away is one of the most annoying and yet addictive opening songs I've ever heard.

I've not bought Are You Are Winner? or Reformation Post TLC Can anyone convince either are worth owning?

I have every studio album and I will not try to convince you. Get those last.

"Midnight Aspen" is great, yeah.

Hmmm, probably not. I love Are You Are Missing Winner?, particularly Crop Dust, but it's raw and unsympathetic, and apart from friends, I don't know anybody else who likes it.

Reformation Post TLC is peculiar to say the least. There are great songs - Reformation, Fall Sound, Systematic Abuse (despite the submarine production) are fantastic, and there some little jewels (Coach and Horses + Scenario) but the whole is incredibly shapeless, lacking coherence and momentum and somehow utterly off-putting. It feels like it could have been a great-Slates length record.

Live the RPTLC group was incredible though.

i can't even really bring myself to like anything post 'perverted'. maybe 'the wonderful and frighting world'. i can sort of like it in an oh-okay-(rolls eyes) type way, like when you hear the stone roses on the radio or something. there's just a real sense of vistas closed off, ambition renounced, something like that, whenever i hear it. or maybe i just only like them with two drummers.

i mean, i've tried, too. even their best moments you think "oh god! these guys are almost as good as the fall!"

Yeah Hex is my favorite. Last time I was at the community station the Slates 10" was missing from it's place. Made me anxious.

cheese steak! fall motel!

down pokey quaint streets in Cambridge
cycle our distant spastic heritage

oh god - this thread.

MES is straight edge?

― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Wednesday, 29 July 2009 22:31 (3 months ago) Bookmark

think that one might have been my first epic thread derail.

... back in the day

are there any free improv records you're currently liking, thomp?

the post nearly man is my favorite improv album

i haven't actually heard any new free improv in a while, unless manafon counts. (it's a fantastic record, though.) you?

nothing recently - a few things that friends have put out on their own microlabels - free improv is one of those genres where there's a lot of chaff, so I usually don't end up getting records unless several people i know tell me it's great or i've heard the group live.

i'd definitely recommend a listen to manafon, if you haven't heard it. it's quite an odd record. david sylvian singing (straightforwardly and strophically) over edited improvised performances by keith rowe, christian fennesz, and various erstwhile records types. i do think perhaps it's hard to justify though - like, some people who are more seriously engaged with the idea of 'free improv' might find that kind of intrusion by song-form to be ... co-opting it? sorry, this is largely irrelevant to this thread - listen to the record, anyway.

also i'd actually forgotten i posted on this thread before. ha.

this is the latest improv thing I really dug

http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Seth_Paynter_and_Kevin_Patton/Fresnel_1577/

i don't have a problem with that - but in terms of the free improv aesthetic (the aesthetic that is often de rigeur in that scene) it's tricky to do "tastefully"

this is the latest improv thing I really dug

http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Seth_Paynter_and_Kevin_Patton/Fresnel_1577/

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Monday, 23 November 2009 18:18 (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is ... interesting.

Fresnel features the duo of Houston’s Seth Paynter on sax and ethnic reeds, and brundleFLY. brundleFLY is an interactive processor created and directed by Kevin Patton. In real time, brundleFLY analyzes Paynter’s multiphonics, trills, moans, and pitch glides and responds to them. brundleFLY removes an overtone or two from Paynter’s gradually morphing meditations on timbre and layers the altered sounds back in, judiciously adding analog-sounding beeps and static bursts as well as metallic clanks. Both Paynter and brundleFLY oscillate pitches narrowly; sustained electronic tones and reverb derive from Paynter’s own sound. As Paynter stops, layers pause slightly and electronic comments murmur to an end.

On one of the tracks this thing is basically just sounding like a delay pedal in white tie, though; I wonder how customisable the inputs are.

not entirely sure about the brundlefly mechanics but I like the results

sounds like ornette coleman drone in desperate battle w/ a tape player stuck on ffwd

ancient/futuristic dialectic, yum

it *is* interesting. will however be giving 'the post-nearly man' a spin soon

haha good luck

NEW (Noble Edwards Ward) is incredible for free improv - live especially but on record as well.

Post Nearly Man would be top five records of all time for me. Top 1 in certain excitable moods.

holy fuck this is so fucking breezy, so just flat-out liberated and joyful...it's like some sort of Resonance FM show, except better because it is compered by fucking MES

oh god this is so good, it's like he is literally chilling with his mates in the same room as you

this is like a sort of spiritual successor to 'sir henry at rawlinson end'. while obviously being nothing like it.

NEW EP ALERT

Slippy Floor - The new tour ‘EP’ by The Fall with 2 new songs and 1 live [LIMITED EDITION].

01. Slippy Floor (Mark Mix)
02. Hot Cake - Part 2
03. Strangetown (Live at Camden Crawl)

NEW EP ALERT

/Slippy Floor - The new tour ‘EP’ by The Fall with 2 new songs and 1 live [LIMITED EDITION].

01. Slippy Floor (Mark Mix)
02. Hot Cake - Part 2
03. Strangetown (Live at Camden Crawl)/
--sleeve

Probably the highlight of that is the live Strangetown. Like a malfunctioning victorian perpetual motion engine with a factory floor manager gone lunatic over the top.

The other two are good, in a strong Fall rudimentary style, but as ever recently, I'm wondering about a serious lack of content.

from wikipedia:

"In May 2007 Smith made an appearance on the BBC Three sitcom Ideal, playing a foulmouthed, chain-smoking Jesus."

'Strangetown' being their 2nd Groundhogs cover...

4 1/2 Inch!!!!!!!

so glad u have discovered that song, makes a strong case for 90's Fall.

best Fall album imho is the second half of It's The New Thing!: The Step Forward Years...all songs from Dragnet era, but the resequencing is revelatory...

Rowche Rumble
Psykick Dancehall
Flat of Angles
Dice Man
Before the Moon Falls
Muzorewi's Daughter
Choc-Stock
Spectre vs. Rector
Second Dark Age
Fiery Jack

...it all adds up to an awesome forty-minute album.

so glad u have discovered that song, makes a strong case for 90's Fall.

That entire album is something else for me. Hurricane Edward especially, so beautiful and sparse, bringing to mind aural images of radio masts, stormy coastline, rugged and isolated Scottish outposts. That album is so strange, and quite often beautiful.

Hurricane Edward is fucking amazing. First two tracks are amazing. Whole goddamn thing is amazing. Fuck.

But a special shout-out to O'l Gang, which doesn't seem to get much love. It's...unspeakable. In a way that is entirely good.

But 4 1/2 Inch. Hahahahaha! That song...that song kinda IS The Fall. It's the destruction of England in 4 minutes. Titanic.

I don't know how they left off "Shift-Work" from either of the 90s compilations. MES' falsetto on the chorus is brilliant.

"In May 2007 Smith made an appearance on the BBC Three sitcom Ideal, playing a foulmouthed, chain-smoking Jesus."

this was great btw

Oh, for a Youtube clip of that!

ask and ye shall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdYBvwq3Mq4

might as well chuck this in too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUiPs1PxKo&feature=related

and yeah that ideal cameo is awesome

wow the music in the background of that ideal bit is from worship the glitch by coil!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEVtCZswTwE

Wow... there are no words. How on earth did you stumble on that?

o man

Friend Andy Zax finds things.

Spinach/zucchini sautee with garlic and olive oil tonight on chicken breast. Excited!

My Dinner With Mark E Smith

Somehow sund4rs post makes perfect sense

Mark e smith looking well these days