Can we discuss the new Matmos leak here even though Drew posts here

Whereabouts?

amazing album, one of their best.

if someone leaked it out of spite, they're even more of a douchebag than, say, a normal leaker.

-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), March 16th, 2006 6:48 PM. (Jerrynipper) (link)

So there's 250 different notes out there? Any fan site where we can see all of them?

(nice! xpost)

(tangent: so far, the matmos leak has directly resulted in my purchasing one... book.)

yes, i'd bet so, as most matador titles are. other download providers like emusic will probably have it too.

hahahaha "people"

and getting moreseo:

If every CD came with a handwritten note from the artist, I would never illegally download again.

ummm... does it really warrant a handwritten note to people to not download the entire fuckin thing? i mean, i know they owe you a lot and all, for, ya know, supporting them through previous theft of their music, but really... do they need to be devoting this much MORE time to trying to prevent this shit, especially after making an album so obviously meticulously crafted...

i think most of us download music on occasion but ffs people cant you realize the difference between dling fucking fiddy cent and stuff like matmos... DLing fiddy isn't gonna make the fucker feel a nick in his banks, but matmos MUST depend on sales that are going to be from the majority of internet-savvy fans... and when the majority of these kids are DLing it then they're SERIOUSLY effected...
they're kind enough to put up music from the album for fucking free on the internet for you to taste and fucking indietorrenting the thing is SHITTING on these people who a) devote their lives to making music WE ENJOY b) take the time to try to curb the leaks by writing hundreds of letters to people they're GIVING the CD to and c) actually make time to come here and make some of the best posts of ILM....
this is disgusting and makes me want to never download another thing because of bullshit abuse...
and thank fuck matmos were recognized and hooked up with the bjork gigs... must've helped pay the bills since they cant really count on their "fans," it seems....
goddamn depressing...

xpost anyone who thinks "the scene" doesnt EXPECT that shit to hit p2p immediately is naive as fuck
thats just a disclaimer, like all the BS they append to their rips about "supporting the artist" when they're actively hurting the musicians...
egh

ysi?

a small subset of people who are downloading the album because they're compulsives who can't wait until release date

is silly. take one ritalin.

yes mark you're correct, i definately used to DL before purchasing, before getting in on the promo "circuit," and still do on occasion.... but im not hating on that, and i think its obvious... i dont exactly think its right but thats probably b/c now i get promos.... a lot of us are obv compulsives, by the fact we spend time on this board... its just the fact that it is a SMALL SUBSET... which isnt really gonna help things....
again... i just admitted to DLing things on occasion, even though i recieve more promoss than i can stand... nothing wrong with taht.... but i know soooo many matmos "fans" who have their entire catalog on mp3 from slsake, but havent given the guys a cent... it seems like theres a lot more of that going on than people who are going to buy it when it comes out... do their needs as professional independent musicians come after your (our) desire to hear it 2 weeks before it actually comes out?

Maybe you should be directing your anger at them then.

ha, just admit it, dude: it's a pretty flimsy excuse.

and fuck you binjy, i dont have time right now to keep reminding you assholes what your fucking problem is

you assholes = Canadians?

well it's difficult since the music biz still doesn't have good enough metrics to measure digital sales (which is ridiculous), but yeah. i don't care for the riaa and their tactics re: downloading, but i also don't doubt that the overall sales numbers keep declining. i think our business in particular - as far as i can tell from the one little slice of it that i see/work in - has stayed ok due to a few things; obviously we've had some strong releases this year such as cat power and belle & sebastian (both of which leaked early, btw). but it would be totally wrong to say that the indie biz in particular hasn't changed a lot, esp. when we're still seeing a lot of independent stores closing. which makes me wonder if the same people who expressed outrage at the best buy circular are the same people who leak and download ahead of street date. probably not, but it's an interesting conundrum.

x-post

Wait mister can't fucking capitalize or use punctuation is upbraiding me for missing an "l" in a word. Nice.

and stence, its a little rich for one ilm regular to chastize another for acting compulsively.

mad xposts

It's sad if pre-release leaks are negatively affecting musicians (whether they are 50 Cent or Matmos, although obv the margins are different there.)

While I admire your self-righteousness, and courageous stance on the scourge of downloading is something of a response... lazy, yes, but a response nonetheless...

it seems like there's a thread about one closing every other week! some markets are way stronger than others, though, and i think sf is one of those.

Hmmn I guess the only question is whether those stores closed because of d/l'ing though. I mean I see a few records shops in SF where I wonder "how the hell do they stay open", but I can't see them being affected much by downloads (mostly cuz what they seem to thrive on is vinyl.) They just seem to have weird ass business models and no records that anyone I know wants. Note: the number of boutiques in SF like this numbers in the millions.

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I mean I see a few records shops in SF where I wonder "how the hell do they stay open", but I can't see them being affected much by downloads (mostly cuz what they seem to thrive on is vinyl.) They just seem to have weird ass business models and no records that anyone I know wants. Note: the number of boutiques in SF like this numbers in the millions.

yet compare SF with LA. a LOT of indie stores in LA are gone. but yeah, all markets are different.

and that b&w reading is different from the riaa's position how, exactly? i mean, i lost a music-related f/t job right at the apex of napster and i worked for a cash-strapped major for two years from 02-03 (quit because they couldn't pay me more than a student intern's salary) and i STILL think that's a pretty blinkered and unconstructive way to frame the situation. i really, REALLY don't want to get into the big picture debate (especially not in a thread for matmos' new album -- matmos everyone!) and double-especially not if i'm going to be slotted in on the pro-downloading side, cause i'm no fan of people who dine out exclusively on whatever they can wring out of soulseek, but its kinda ridiculous for you to pretend that there aren't gradients here stence, that a small subset of people aren't actually sampling/loaning/exploring, and that their money doesn't ultimately end up finding the artists.

go to a matmos show, buy the cd, give drew a bj if possible

xpost

now if you want to talk about intentions, if someone's intention is just to "explore" or "sample" - two motivations which i think are perfectly legitimate btw - why does the whole album need to be leaked pre-street date? do people have to hear an entire album before they buy? i mean what you were saying was this:

lets consider the possibility that there's also a small subset of people who are downloading the album because they're compulsives who can't wait until release date but do fully plan on forking out actual money for it when the day arrives.

that basically says that people can't help wanting to hear something now, right-this-minute. i question that, as a motivation, because as much as i like matmos (i own every release, even some really obscure stuff, since before matador signed them) (tho obv. i'm probably not buying the new one, it's a job perk i guess), it's just a record. in the days before file-sharing, it didn't kill anyone to have to wait to hear a record (which doesn't mean there's anyway to go back to those days, or that record companies shouldn't adapt with the times, obviously). it's almost like you were blaming the record company for having a release date, which is really weird.

that said, i also don't doubt that while some pre-release downloaders may eventually buy physical copies, i don't think any of us have anything other than a gut feeling (not even much in the way of anecdotal evidence, much less physical evidence) that pre-release d/l'ers will buy. in the past i've bought records that i got promo copies of, but most of the time that was because the promo copies didn't have the artwork, and i wanted the real thing. i don't know if that's the case here, and unfortunately i don't think it's possible to even really know. so i sort of have to assume, then, that there's going to be exceptions, and some people with mp3s of whatever-leaked-today won't buy it tomorrow.

but yeah, record company wages are pretty terrible, and i'm sorry about your experience.

xpost - hahaha cutty otm.

In doing so, I can cast a wider net and be even more of an obsessive-compulsive, must-hear-everything jerk than I already am.

Irrationally, I have this belief that there is a certain group of people who are tastemakers/musicologists/etc., and for those people music should be as available as library books are to any scholar. And I would feel worse about having this irrational belief if I didn't already supply the music industry with far more money per month than maybe 99% of the populace at large.

Anyway, this is probably one of my biggest personality flaws but I'm honest about it, I guess.

If I could count on my fingers the number of albums I've heard in the past few years that have no more than two or three keeper tracks rounded out with seven or more tracks of filler crap, I'd need a thousand hands. It's gotten so bad that if I can't find an album on mp3 before choosing to buy a copy, I'll wait until one shows up.

it seems they're attending a linux convention

free beer >>>>> free speech

The harder it becomes to find free mp3s online, the more I agree with this. I have a hard time believing that the relatively small amount of people who use s1sk, and download obscure records, are responsible for any record store closures. Is Matmos really going to be hurt by a few hundred people downloading the album before its release? Even if these people never buy the album, wouldn't they create a good word-of-mouth buzz about it? Personally I never liked any of the Matmos stuff I've heard, and I'm way more interested in the album after reading this thread. I may go download it and give it a listen. If I like it, I'll buy it from my favorite record store when it comes out. I have about 50 CDs still in plastic on my book shelf at home.

Massive easy-to-use services like iTunes are more of a threat as far as online stuff goes. People who unapologetically steal music probably wouldn't be buying a whole lot of it anyway. These are not people who love music, they are obsessive collectors of data.

Hey, me either!

Or a computer with speakers

I have my computer blogged into the AUX on my stereo. Computer speakers are weird and pointless.

And don't feel like spending the requisite amt of time following various filesharing networks

It's true, if you don't have 30 minutes to kill about once a week, filesharing is pointless.

All those spyware riddled dodgey programs have sucky selections and mess up my computer. I refuse to put them on my pc. I can't even figure BitTorrent out. It seems like a massive pain in the ass to me. I get most of my stuff off of good ol' us3n3t.

I'm not trying to morally justify my habits, either. The truth is that I can't afford to buy every album I like. All I can do is buy all of the albums that I love.

I know what you're saying, but are not "crazy record collectors just obsessive collectors of data" as well?

Maybe so. I've never really understood the record collector mentality either. Even if some of these dudes sharing 20,000 mp3s on s1sk love every song they have shared, and never spend a cent on music; their collections allow people like to sample music, which if I love, I'll not only buy, but I'll tell everyone within earshot how great it is. On the flipside I'm also more likely to try something a friend who knows my taste recommends than what a professional critic, who works for a publication that gets paid for advertising space by the same companies they are reviewing for, recommends to me. Not to say Pitchfork hasn't turned me onto some great music in the past, but they only review 4 albums a day. :)

of course i'm gonna buy it when i like it and it seems that i really do

(nice interview, by the way)

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I would forfeit my own life for it to say "This Rose Has Teeth," but I don't think it does

He introduced me to rudimentary peni and was astounded to find one of their tracks on there.

Two weeks of talking about nothing but that.

Here's what the sign says:

Pervert and insanely disgusting with genius taste.
Nice!! It's a new album of a gay couple, Matmos!!

The photo says "Because we are love-love..."
Arrows point out which one is a truckdriver and a main queen (I don't know those are correct words but that's what my dictionary says).

*Rest of them are just the normal description and some parts are not legible anyway.

I came across a similar idea in the David Attenborough documentary "The Private Life of Plants". Attenborough was describing how grass in Africa uses elephants to clear the land of its competitors, and has done so for centuries. So, in a sense, "the grass has a trunk on the head of an elephant". And, in a sense, Wittgenstein, though dead, has teeth in the album of an excellent conceptual pop group.

'tondemonaku egui' is like 'grotesquely intense' or something? a bit too much to take.

IS there a site that will tell me how all of the different fetish-samples were gleaned, is that really cum dripping away, frinstance

pruriently,

american version doesn't have it, except maybe the vinyl, i forget.

both the vinyl and cd look great, btw, so buy both!

Also, awesomeness OTM!

Been caning this lately. For anyone w/the vinyl, does the Mishima track warrant a portrait?