Black Dice - Beaches & Canyons: C/D?

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The new Black Dice album on DFA. Any opinions?

― Diego Hadis (dhadis), Thursday, 12 September 2002 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

is it some wild departure or does it sound like everything else they've done?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 September 2002 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Haven't heard their new one, although it's supposedly a radical departure from their earlier stuff (or at least according to New York Press). Based on the very same article, I downloaded some of Black Dice's earlier, noisier stuff -- and wasn't wildly impressed. They sound like they'd be an interesting live band, though.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 12 September 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Beaches and Canyons is okay. Definitely textural, more than anything. It has its high points, but everytime I listen to it it just makes me more and more certain that Neu! made a far superior version of this exact same album 30 some years earlier.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 September 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

its ambient for the heroin-wraught new york scene types. the newest issue of Shout! has got a picture of them in a pet shop, all obvisouly strung out of their gord, playing with a kitten. quite possibly one of the scariest pictures of a band i've seen in a good time.
though i do dig the stuff for most part. i little to wild to fall alseep too. a little to spaced out to drive to. its apartment music in the fullest sense of the word.

― Brock K. (Brock K.), Thursday, 12 September 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Is that picture online somewhere?

― mike a, Thursday, 12 September 2002 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

too soon to say, i would think, but it might be classic. track 2 sure as hell sounds like the boredoms though, doesn't it?

the album overall actually sound like the more sane, serene side of the weird, amorphous noise on the black eyes (dice+wolf eyes) collaborations on american tapes, which have a disturbed bad-trip musique concrete kind of ambiance.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 13 September 2002 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

actually, listening to it again, it sounds a lot like the last couple of boredoms albums mixed with the more fucked up, sparse side of black dice (the three one G 7" and the split w/erase errata). which isn't a bad thing, i suppose.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 13 September 2002 11:34 (twenty-three years ago)

There's definitely a Boredoms (and krautrock... and electronic... and...) influence on the album, but Black Dice bring in many of their own ideas as well. Maybe the album makes more sense if you've seen them perform the music live?

At any rate, I think it's a classic if for no other reason than because of the way it's structured as one huge build-up to that fantastic final track.

― Diego Hadis (dhadis), Friday, 13 September 2002 12:22 (twenty-three years ago)

just out of curiosity, did anyone buy this on vinyl? i did, and the fucking needle pops out of the groove on every side - not a skip, but the needle actually flies out of the groove and skates across the record a 1/4" or so.

i've played it on 3 turntables (all properly adjust for stylus pressure, antiskating, etc) and it does that on every one. fucking irritating.

― your null fame, Tuesday, 17 September 2002 09:38 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...

I just picked it up today--the double LP, and on my copy the needle has no problems staying in the grooves.

As for the content... it can be a little bit boring (sounds like Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient 2 + Neu! + Bardo Pond to me) but I'm sure that if I was zonked out of my mind on acid I would love it. And it's not bad at all.

But the main point of this post is that the LPs don't come with a track list of any sort--would anyone mind posting one for me? '

Gracias.

― Ian, Sunday, 6 October 2002 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Side A: "Seabird," "Things Will Never Be the Same"
Side B: "The Dream is Going Down"
Side C: "Endless Happiness"
Side D: "Big Drop"

― Steph (Steph), Monday, 7 October 2002 00:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i've asked around and my copy of the vinyl seems to be the exception, so i'll be ditching it and buying the CD soon.

ian, did you look for the insert in the dbl lp? there's a pink insert on glossy paper with the tracklist and information on it...

― your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 7 October 2002 02:46 (twenty-three years ago)

There wasn't an insert in my copy, sadly. Just the LPs in their paper sleeves. Perhaps I should e-mail DFA and ask them to send me one. Hmm.

Thanks for letting me know that an insert does exist, though.

― Ian Johnson, Monday, 7 October 2002 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it sounds like they have someone playing jugs on side A.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Monday, 7 October 2002 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

They played last night at a converted Russian bathhouse in Brooklyn. They were pretty astounding--it was the best I'd seen them in quite a while. If you like the album at all, definitely go see them on tour next month. They're seriously the best band in New York right now.

― Diego Hadis (dhadis), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm seeing them with Lightning Bolt and Sonic Youth!

Fucking amazing

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 13:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Is that in New York? I was thinking of going. It would be worth the $30 just to see Lightning Bolt play on the floor of Irving Plaza.

― Diego Hadis (dhadis), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Did James Murphy spin at the DFA fest last night, Diego?

― Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

It is in PROVIDENCE!

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Jonathan: even better.

Yancey: he did--as LCD Soundsystem. It was a pretty good DJ set. He started with the feedback intro from a really raw (I'm guessing Peel Sessions) version of Gang of Four's "Anthrax", and then cut into a dancier song. Other highlights and damn-I-wanted-to-DJ-that moments from his set: cutting from the chorus of "Hey Ladies" into Lightning Bolt's "The Faire Folk"; Silver Apples; Hawkwind's "Silver Machine". A really good set.

― Diego Hadis (dhadis), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Diego: The Beastie Boys / L.Bolt transition sounds amazing!

Yea, I love Providence shows. There will surely be some secret after show featuring Fort Thunder Alums or something.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Any other DFA appearances (ie, The Rapture)? I was supposed to go, but something came up... That DJ set sounds excellent, however.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, that was a really good DJ set.

The other artists weren't DFA-related: Flex Unger (?), who spun dub records and played trumpet and sometimes flute over them. Nice. Also, this older folk/blues guy who used to play with Fred Neil, Vince Martin, played as well. His set definitely had it's moments. Plus he was a total character--a great story teller.

― Diego Hadis (dhadis), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, a Fred Neil connection. That's excellent. Thanks for the info, Diego.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 October 2002 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

FYI: The Bolt/Black Dice/Sonic Youth show is going to be in New York as well, just a week after the Providence show and I think it's only $20... not $30.

Talking to Chippendale about the Lightning Bolt problem (ie. playing on the floor for over a thousand people). Some ideas included building a giant raft and having friends push them around the floor on that, and teaching other local bands (Olneyville Sound System, Hya Kcha, Miniwatt.. who knows) to play the songs and have one band in each corner of the room playing simultaneously.

Yeah.

― Ian Johnson, Thursday, 10 October 2002 01:38 (twenty-three years ago)

HOLY GOOD GOD.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 10 October 2002 11:42 (twenty-three years ago)

You can download "Endless Happiness" here: http://www.epitonic.com/artists/blackdice.html

It sounds like what Brock K said, pretty much.

― Leo (Leo), Thursday, 10 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

HOLY GOOD GOD.

I know. There's no way I can miss that.

― Diego Hadis (dhadis), Thursday, 10 October 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw that show Tuesday, it was great. First time I ever heard Black Dice, and they were pretty near amazing. It was great to see Vince Martin, too.

― hstencil, Thursday, 10 October 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

Yancey, what Neu! album are you comparing Beaches & Canyons to? I don't hear that at all. I'm amazed at the power of this record, when it hits (a couple of dull patches.)

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 05:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Other opinions on this record?

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Just saw your question. I haven't listened to Beaches & Canyons or Neu! in ages, so I'll have to relisten to find what I was hearing before. From memory I would say the soundscapey stuff on 2, but I want to listen again before I say definitively what I was referring to earlier.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I can see a Neu thing, but not any of the motorik stuff -- try the ambient stuff on the first record. Still, the overwhelming comparison I would make is with Boredoms (were those Eastern phrases in the second track a purposeful nod to them?). I think the best thing I can say about this record is that it reminds me of one of my fave bands and yet never strikes me as being derivative.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I definately hear a krautrock thing, but to me, it's more like a Faust sound, though less dense usually. Maybe because of the lack of motorik?

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh my god I sound like Clarke.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, definitely hear the Boredoms -- allow me to be the first to call Black Dice the Poordoms. (Ha ha no -- I like this record a lot.)

Not quite the sonic imagination (or access to technology, I imagine -- Boredoms are a major label band, after all), but similar in pulling things from all over to make a noisy, gut-level tribal sounding record. Beaches & Canyons is darker in tone, too -- hard to imagine Black Dice dragging all their instruments to the edge of the ocean and recording a jam with a microphone underwater.

That second track on Beaches & Canyons is so powerful -- it frightens me, in a good way. The screaming sounds like it could be torture or have something to do w/ birth -- nice contrast against the pleasant, gurgly synths.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:16 (twenty-three years ago)

dragging all their instruments to the edge of the ocean and recording a jam with a microphone underwater

Does anyone know when the Boredoms/Vooredoms record they made from that session (Super Roots 9, maybe?) is supposed to come out? I'd heard summer 2002, then winter 2002, but I suspect it's been put off again...

Also, to get back to Black Dice a bit, the Eye remix of "Endless Happiness" that's on an upcoming DFA 12" is supposed to be really beautiful.

― die9o (dhadis), Tuesday, 10 December 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, to get back to Black Dice a bit, the Eye remix of "Endless Happiness" that's on an upcoming DFA 12" is supposed to be really beautiful.

A must buy, but this side is one of those dull patches I was talking about, I think.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 05:11 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

thought this thread needs reviving for the uk kids who weren't prepared to pay the 20 squid import price...

so, i've been listening to this constantly since monday and... it's incredible. jess mentioned on another thread that this year is his year of rock (probably not earnestly), and this record has had a similar effect on me. the first disc blew my head apart and the second pieced it back together again. i CANT WAIT for the uk gigs in spring

― schnell schnell, Friday, 21 February 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I like #3 a lot too!

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 21 February 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

the 31g 7" was always my fav until i heard b&c

― schnell schnell, Friday, 21 February 2003 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

i was listening to this again the other day (for the first time since the new year) and i realized that a lot of it sounds like disco inferno's di go pop minus the vocals or the basslines.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 February 2003 17:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, NOW I'm interested. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 February 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

hah, i'm mostly thinking of the noiser middle tracks ("starbound", "a crash at every speed"), although there's some resemblance to the "spacier" moments too...

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 February 2003 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

thought this thread needs reviving for the uk kids who weren't prepared to pay the 20 squid import price...

― schnell schnell, Friday, 21 February 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

speaking of squids, has anyone heard the new mindflayer

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Friday, 21 February 2003 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Beaches & Canyons is pretty fantastic.. I listened to it daily when I first got it, then put it away for a while.. took it out again the other day and listened to it and had my head boggled.

The 3" CD is good as well, but not nearly this majestic. Mid-period Black Dice I find really boring--Cold Hands, split with Erase Errata, Peace In The Valley... but the early, hardcore stuff I like quite a bit.

(I have heard the new Mindflayer, Jon. I'll play it for you tonight.)

― ian johnson, Friday, 21 February 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven months pass...

I think i need to buy Beaches & Canyons. i don't know why i put it off for so long. maybe i was scared of the hype. anyway, what i want to know is, do people who like/buy that other DFA stuff like Black Dice as much? Do people just buy it cuz it's on DFA or what? i have never heard the dfa black dice remixes though.there are some,right? maybe this is the stuff people like. just wondering. i got a black dice thing in the mail the other day and i really like it but it sure as heck ain't the rapture or LCD. that's why i was wondering.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

All I've heard is the "Cone Toaster/Endless Happiness (eYe Remix)" 12".

The a-side sucks. The b-side is awesome. Fits perfectly on Dance to the Underground!, the DFA's discopunk mix for Muzik magazine.

My love for the song and my love for The DFA are totally independent, however.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i have one of those disco for pogo punks comps-from muzik or jockey slut?-that i really enjoy that has lcd/dfa stuff on it. i think i wanna hear the black dice remixes now.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

the new record is great. moving into animal collective territory.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

have you heard the album or the e.p., yance. i saw that there is an album coming out in june. i received the e.p.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

that 30-minute, two-song ep. haven't heard the record yet. i only listened to it twice so far. my roommates won't lemme play it.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i like it too. i like that kind of stuff. the album probably won't sound like that though. i don't know how i know this.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the ep's first track is on some luc ferrari type shit, perhaps bec. of the marching band bit that invokes "presque rien" for me. the second track has opened every show i've ever seen them do.
whether or not it's black dice, i would suggest any remix that EYE has ever laid his hands on. the DFA one is no exception. his own remix of the last Boredoms record is a third-ear banger.

― Beta (abeta), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

eye is the king of all that he surveys. of this there is no question.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone seen 'em live: bit on the dull side the night i saw them (abt 10 months ago).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Eye's remix of E2-E4 didn't do that much for me, nor did the DJ shows I've heard of his. Probably his best "mix" is the Pica Pica Pica CD or Rebore 0.

― dleone (dleone), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

his DMBQ remix is not so great.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I should have said that post-eBay, ef me.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 12 February 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Black Dice were good live when I saw them 16 months ago. And B&C is good, but I don't listen to it that much. Partially because it's just so goddamn long, partially because my room mate doesn't tolerate noise well, and partially because there are more exciting things I could be listening to; the good stuff is REALLY GOOD, but the rest just sounds like a pale replica of the good stuff.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

so now i don't want it. i'm so impressionable.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

buy it on ebay

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

the vinyl looked kinda nice.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah. it is.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Will prob see them live at atp in a few weeks - are they v. loud (I'm worried abt my ears over the course of the w/end - sy, dbl leopards, lightning bolt, deerhoof, Jackie O Motherfucker etc etc)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

jealous :(

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

andrew- Black dice weren't THAT loud though there one or two 'moments' (so maybe stand at the back). Double leopards were fine, good drone action. Lighting Bolt are apparently pretty ferocious (hope to see 'em when they play with boredoms).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

JULIO: GO SEE LIGHTNING BOLT. DO NOT MISS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

will do.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i have been listening to it off and on for a few months and I like it.

― hector (hector), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i was listening to Black Forest/Black Sea just now. that's a nice record. i don't know them from adam. but they are from providence as well. you dig that stuff, Ian.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

as well as lighning bolt i shoulda said.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

black forest/black sea are grebt! people who used to be in the iditarod, who are worth checking out if you dig bf/bs. couple of CDs out on BlueSanct.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't know them from adam.

They used to be the Iditarod, a v. good low key psych/folk outfit. Met 'em at Terrastock 5, friendly folks.

Xpost dammit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 February 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned: Are you into Fern Knight or the Eyesores at all? People vaguely connected to Iditarod/Black Forest. Ah, Providence.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Fern Knight, yes. Good album.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"eye is the king of all that he surveys. of this there is no question."

Truest words ever written on ILM.

― Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

this one is called Forcefields & Constellations. it's very nice.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/b/black-dice/miles-of-smiles.shtml

The second half of the EP, "Trip Dude Delay", is a final postcard from the edges of Black Dice's familiar, expansive Beaches and Canyons sound. Having parted ways with drummer Hisham Bharoocha, Black Dice will no longer have his thunderous toms, crashing cymbals, and tribal rhythms to tether their drifts. "Trip Dude Delay" has opened Black Dice's live set for roughly two years, and it sounds as if Bjorn Copeland's guitar is a thousand twanging instruments. Sometimes the vocals sound ready to shuffle off this mortal coil, as if the Beach Boys' "Our Prayer" had been cut at Lee Perry's Black Ark. All are subsumed by Bharoocha's malleted cymbal, swelling into a nasty tempest. The captured cymbal frequencies scald at white-noise temperatures and the sub-woofers seep out lava, but it all retains a fine quintessence of dust and pumice.

WAIT WHAT??????????????????????????????????????

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

he's not in the band anymore, though apparently there aren't many drums on the June album anyway

― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I still like this record and am looking forward to more.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Personally, I thought the stuff where he was prominent was the best part of Beaches and Canyons.

That also reminds me that someone said that Br14n Ch1ppend4le was playing or practicing with Black Dice a few months back, which was dismissed right away, but there could be some truth to it.

hmmm!

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.lotsofnoise.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000049

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm with LILJONPANTS. I love Beaches and Canyons (it was last night's soundtrack to my gessoing, in fact) but when those drums come in, I die.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw them play recently without Hisham and it was a little off putting at first. Not like there was a big hole or anything, but drums were missed (by me). I think it will allow them to do a lot more different things, though, cause I always felt that the drums always did the same thing (even more so than the rest of the band).

― Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

nothing on DFA other than pumping up the album

Also, TIMBALAND likes Black Dice.

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Lauren needs to sort this out! Also, isn't Hisham drumming for Pixeltan who should have shit coming out sooner or later?

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he quit Pixeltan a long time ago. Now they got the guy from Olneyville Sound System.
Unless you mean that he rejoined Pixeltan?

― Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

msp knows what's going on... let me page him.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

hang on:

Talk to me about PLATE TECTONICS and PIXELTAN

PIXELTAN+DFA+HISHAM=LUV

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to threaten to replace my drummer with Hisham right now. BRB!!!!

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Thursday April 8th:

Hair Police (Lexington, KY)
Kites (Providence, RI)
Prurient (Providence, RI)
John Wiese
Pedestrian Deposit

me tomorrow woot woot

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Make fun of Chris Kites for me!

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

him: hello, thanks for coming

me: that bald honkey sez you is a bitch

him: JONNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

HE WENT TO RISD SO WOUDN'T KNOW WHO I AM PROBABLY

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

it's ok. i'll print out some threads for him.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone should post mp3s of new Boredoms studio material and finish whipping me into a frenzy.

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

http://home.att.net/~batswag/img/eye.jpg

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think i can sort anything out. just reading the latter part of this thread gave me a headache.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for slowing down this thread considerably , sweetheart.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

deaaaan.

record that show, duder. it will be *THE BOMB.*

hisham no in black dice no more. that will be a bummer, cuz i am in agreement with dean & jon--the drums are essential to Beaches & Canyons; unless they replace that with bass, there won't be anything to propel the noises noises.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

IAN | I will look into it. The Smell (where that show is at) is the perfect place to record shows at. Let me see ...

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian & Jon, I coulda told you about Hisham being outta the band back at No Fun.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

We were on drugs, dude.

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't remember whether I said anything or not.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahah beat you hestencil, I knew about it three days before. Ha! This just goes to prove how good I am at keeping secrets.

― roger_adultery, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

http://people.bu.edu/roglussi/graphics/bunnies/bunnymotorcycleshark.jpg

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

um roger, I knew about it before the fest, I was just making the point that I could've told them then (since, y'know, I never really talked to Ian & Jon before because that was the first time I met 'em). You know, if you're like keeping score.

I also saw you talking to Russ, but didn't say anything.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll have you all know that the main difference between Ian and I now is the tightness of our pants.

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Pardon my ignorance: Is 'Miles of Smiles' worth getting? Is the material going to be repeated (sans drums) on the upcoming album?

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the DFA is going to put AWESOME DRUM MACHINE DANCE BEATS on it!

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

my girlfriend says The Juan MacLean sounds like Yaz.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Hrm. I will buy it anyways. I will hold off on the Octis double CD because it will probably break my computer anyways.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon G. from DFA told me there is no carry over from the EP to the album.

― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks. KISSES.

― dean! (deangulberry), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I THINK THE DFA SHOULD PRODUCE TLASILA OK

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I THINK TLASILA COULD REDUCE DFA TO SOOT.

― ddb, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahahahahahahahahaha.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

ddb you are the master of the well-timed quip.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil - ya shoulda said hi! how'd you know it was me?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i love beaches and canyons. Thanks to itunes slipping it to me every once in a while.

― hector (hector), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

NOOOOOOO! Hisham provided the acid house vibe when I saw them open for Godspeed last year in Detroit, and he tormented me later in the year when they headlined and he wouldn't pound out the beats, choosing to be all abstract and shit instead. Good show anyway.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Thursday, 8 April 2004 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

dude roger boc bag dude.

― hstencil, Thursday, 8 April 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

these guys were good at atp. I bought a nice patterned t of theirs, too.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 April 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

how you can recognize me next time:

― hstencil, Thursday, 8 April 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://i.myspace.com/67/58/488576/1736662_l.JPG

^ this is what Ian Johnson and I look like!

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Thursday, 8 April 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

REVIVE. OK so I was reminded by the new Black Dice album thread that I wanted Beaches & Canyons, and so I finally bought Beaches & Canyons. I was only mildly digging Cold Hands and the Erase Errata split at the time of release. I guess I was spooked by the hype initially but this record is great; it's much krautier than I expected, meaning it definitely relies on continual forward motion, is not just a pile of sounds. The drums are pretty essential. I am loving this.

Does B&C still seem like the beginning of something in retrospect? Does Creature Comforts live up? (I'm getting that next).

Also, dig the "no, I heard Hisham quit first!" noise one-up-manship upthread!

― mcd (mcd), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Creature Comforts is nothing like this.

― Tumililingan (ex machina), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

It's even better.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

No.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Yes

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Let's fite.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

*drops left shoulder, throws devastating right hook*

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 25 July 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

I'm worried that this album is not so good. I have intentionally avoided hearing it because I love love love love love love love love love Creature Comforts so much, enough to make me think that Black Dice are one of the greatest bands of at least the last ten years, Broken Ear Record and Load Blown as well as a lot of their singles etc are fantastic. I'm worried.

― I know, right?, Saturday, 15 March 2008 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

man, adam fuckin beat the shit out of tim! one punch!
Beaches & Canyons is the high water mark for Black Dice.

― ian, Saturday, 15 March 2008 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

Please buy it. It's not beat-oriented at all, but if you love love love love love love love love love Creature Comforts so much, you should love Beaches & Canyons.

― brightscreamer, Saturday, 15 March 2008 23:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just worried it's a bit too swirly and pretty and psychedelic.

I worry.

― I know, right?, Sunday, 16 March 2008 02:55 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Yeah, this is pretty great. I'm amazed at how Seabird is so obvious really in how those sounds go together, but I never woulda thought about them in a million years. This feels like one of those albums that someone woulda had to make if they didn't. I'm kinof enjoying it for how spacey trippy it is, which isn't like me.

― I know, right?, Saturday, 7 June 2008 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

BIG DROP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― I know, right?, Monday, 11 August 2008 19:34 (seventeen years ago)

More tribal than what I want from Black Dice.

― I know, right?, Monday, 11 August 2008 19:34 (seventeen years ago)

This was my introduction to Black Dice. A great album to get lost in.

― willem, Monday, 11 August 2008 19:39 (seventeen years ago)

It's no Creature Comforts but it'll do. Nice summery noise for your day off.

― I know, right?, Monday, 11 August 2008 19:44 (seventeen years ago)

"Things Will Never Be The Same" - there I go

― willem, Monday, 11 August 2008 20:09 (seventeen years ago)

Who would like to sell me their vinyl copy of Cold Hands? or rapidshare it to me

― I know, right?, Monday, 11 August 2008 20:10 (seventeen years ago)

Raven is v v nice I would like more please.

― I know, right?, Monday, 11 August 2008 20:11 (seventeen years ago)

http://deathoftheleftunfinished.blogspot.com/2008/02/black-dice-cold-hands-ep-2001.html

― Craig D., Monday, 11 August 2008 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

I love you

― I know, right?, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 10:22 (seventeen years ago)

two weeks pass...

The dream is going down is the one track I really never liked but I think it is now my favourite, I thought the cut up vocal things were kinda naff and the drumming really corny but I now realise I was totally wrong and it is brilliant, all of it. Still not the best BD by a long shot tho, and Cold Hands is amazing.

― I know, right?, Thursday, 28 August 2008 22:54 (seventeen years ago)

on smile friends it sounds like he's screaming "HELLO? HELLO? I'M AWAY!!!"

― I know, right?, Friday, 29 August 2008 00:02 (seventeen years ago)

do u mean smiling off? A-WAY A-WAY A-WAY A-WAY A-WAY

that's the best part

― elan, Friday, 29 August 2008 04:25 (seventeen years ago)

No, I meant Smile Friends, its the second track on Cold Hands

― I know, right?, Friday, 29 August 2008 10:54 (seventeen years ago)

uhhhh. my five year old daughter LOVES this record, no idea why. she likes the cover art & then we listened to it today & she absolutely loves it. we have it on repeat... wow.

― stephen, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:27 (seventeen years ago)

black dice for 5 year olds!

― stephen, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:27 (seventeen years ago)

this is the one i woulda said for five year olds tho

― I know, right?, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:39 (seventeen years ago)

a lot of it's like traffic noise, and kids love being in the car, puts them to sleep

― I know, right?, Friday, 29 August 2008 23:40 (seventeen years ago)

seven years pass...

never understood the love for this record. imo by far the most boring thing they've ever done.

― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 July 2016 23:23 (nine years ago)

Maybe it's a time/place thing... in this interview with Yoni Wolf, EC talks about how he saw a lot of the new age tropes and concepts explored on B&C show up everywhere for the next decade... not that BC was the catalyst but that those ideas got totally exhausted pretty quickly. I think they got more interesting with each record through the aughts, peaking with Repo... to say nothing of EC's solo work... all the subsequent records have so much more personality and movement in them.

― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 July 2016 23:29 (nine years ago)

I was thinking about doing a poll but with a 12" out next week, I bet they'll have another LP out this year...

― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 July 2016 23:30 (nine years ago)

i'm not sure if i love or hate (and neither does he apparently) this quote from a stoned Daniel Lopatin about New Age music:

"Yeah, I was listening to so many new age records and they’re undeniably bad records, but there’s something about them I was listening to and enjoying. But I was fixated on this idea that you could use the tropes of new age music to describe something beyond the cliché that is new age music: like chill out and be in your Zen-like cave amongst nature. I don’t even like that, I don’t go to the woods or whatever, I don’t do anything. But that’s an interesting idea that people would want to do that, to create music that’s a simulated Zen forest vibe. That’s a terrible idea, you should never do that. What I was trying to do, whether I did or not I don’t know, but what I wanted to do was make music that implied certain aspects of new age but was pretty sinister."

― circa1916, Sunday, 3 July 2016 00:15 (nine years ago)

B&C is pretty dope though. I'm not sure how I feel about your opinions Flappy Bird, if you are indeed the same guy who said something about why anyone should listen to Jawbreaker when Green Day exists.

― circa1916, Sunday, 3 July 2016 00:16 (nine years ago)

i wasn't super into beaches and canyons at the time, liked creature comforts a lot more (still my favorite). but i picked up a copy of DFA's vinyl remaster a while back, mostly cause it was sitting in the 50% discount bin + what the hell. have found myself enjoying it quite a bit. don't notice any difference in the sound, but haven't ABd it with an older copy. makes for nice fuzzy afternoon around the house music.

― oculus lump (contenderizer), Sunday, 3 July 2016 00:33 (nine years ago)

B&C - wow, I haven't listened to that in a good bit. These dudes have had a lot of phases, haven't they?

As I remember it's best to listen to it the way contenderizer describes above, background music at home when you're doing other things.

― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 3 July 2016 03:06 (nine years ago)

New Age but 'pretty sinister' = Paul Metheny Group - 'Offramp'

― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Sunday, 3 July 2016 09:02 (nine years ago)

I got a copy of B&C on vinyl recently too. Always thought it was their best. Lots of imagery. Love the fourth track especially with the extended wavey outro. Creature Comforts was good too but a lot more slight. Subsequent releases were way too skronky and unpleasant but I did like Mr Impossible quite a bit

― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Sunday, 3 July 2016 09:07 (nine years ago)

Hey someone else prefers CC to B&C, seemed a challop at the time.

― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 July 2016 10:14 (nine years ago)

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