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Records you've bought that, after a) one complete listen b) half a listen c) 10 seconds in, make you feel 'buyer's remorse', or an intense need to get money back as well as the time spent listening, or just a vain hope that the wrong record was in the sleeve, followed by world-weariness and resolution (however short-lived) to never buy another record ever

dave q, Friday, 11 October 2002 08:25 (twenty-three years ago)

GRANDADDY

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 08:27 (twenty-three years ago)

(Also does anyone want my copy of Astral Weeks?)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Tangential but I remember when I was 11 reading about what a fantastic masterpiece 'White Light White Heat' was and then buying it and wondering whether the speaker wires were working on the folks' record player. I still liked "Heard Her Call My Name" despite all that tho. Maybe life would've been better for me if I hadn't heard this track at such an impressionable age? I could've been a contender. (BTW thread title courtesy then-head of CBS after hearing Beach Boy's 'LA' album (first for label) upon delivery)

dave q, Friday, 11 October 2002 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

roots manuva - run come save me

s trife (simon_tr), Friday, 11 October 2002 08:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Look u must understand that the records I bought immediately prior to the VU one were Judas Priest's 'Screaming for Vengeance' and Iron Maiden's 'Killers'

dave q, Friday, 11 October 2002 08:31 (twenty-three years ago)

after listening to beefheart's Trout mask i did want to give back but i stuck with it and I found out it was brilliant.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Which Grandaddy are you talking about, Tom? The Sophtware Slump? I wouldn't mind exchanging it against, e.g.
Springsteen's Born To Run (worst buy ever) or Mike Oldfield's Ommadawn (2nd worst).

You can keep the Astral Weeks, I have got it myself. With the years I kind of got used to it though it definitely is overestimated a lot. It is not bad but not good either. All right background music for not listening to.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 11 October 2002 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The Sophtware Slump has long since gone back to the shop that spawned it Alex, sorry.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 09:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I took back 'The Stooges' becuz of that atrocious schmippy "jam out maaaan" on trax 3 (?). the rest of the record is, of course, shit hot, but i wanted 100% fluffin RAWK mofo. i exchanged it for 'My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts' by Eno and Byrne; FUCK! DBL regret.

a different Sean, Friday, 11 October 2002 09:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Layo & Bushwacka! Night Works Not awful, just dull.


(This Lester Bangs piece persuaded me to buy Astral Weeks . Not as awesome as I hoped but still a fine album IMHO.)

stevo (stevo), Friday, 11 October 2002 09:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Royal Trux - Thank You
Codeine - The White Birch

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 11 October 2002 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I second Thank You; also Angels With Dirty Faces by Tricky and Turn The Dark Off by Howie B (fabulous zingy single, the rest muffled-treacle-music). And the first Gay Dad album, obviously.

alexfack, Friday, 11 October 2002 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the last two mercury rev releases, which were almost as comatose as...'the sophtware slump'. ironically, they played one of the best live shows here in sydney earlier this year that i've seen for a long, long time. fancy that, huh...

angelo (angelo), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Black Dog - Bytes.

Luckily, I persevered.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Love's Forever Changes. A big pile of hippie wank that will never go anywhere near my CD playere again.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Shakedown's album, I can't even fucking remember what it's called, I love At Night and it's one of the best songs of the year, so is buying an album where one song is great and the rest is crap the same thing?

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Stevo, dude-oh, the article was extremely personal - not much about the music ITSELF (as far as I recall).

Buyer's remorse? Rarely. But Roches spring to mind.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

bangs like it for purely personal reasons and it's worth a thousand amy phillips articles but still i don't find much to like abt it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

True, Julio, but I'd never have bought it based on that article.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I still struggle with Trout Mask 13 years after buying it. I tend to find portions of Can albums tedious also. A lot of that mid 90s Mo Wax and Ninja Tune stuff sounds so tedious and irrelevent now but I never sell stuff back or give it away. I'm a horder and I just keep everything to gather dust.

david gunnip, Friday, 11 October 2002 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I only listened to Lauryn Hill's 'Unplugged 2.0' the once, but I must admit I've been contemplating giving it another listen. It wasn't the music so much as the chit-chat that did my head in.

Tom, I'd like your 'Astral Weeks', I sold mine and have regretted it ever since, although not enough to buy another one. I'd keep hold of it, just in case, if I were you.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:01 (twenty-three years ago)

AT LAST!!!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I've just done a piece about "Miseducation Of LH" on CoM and haven't said anything about "Unplugged 2.0" as I haven't heard it yet and suspect it will either be the greatest or worst record ever made. What's it actually like? Is the Godhead-to-music ratio overbalanced or is the talk sufficiently transfixing to cross over into the "I Am Sitting In A Room" territory?

Re: "Astral Weeks" - the Bangs piece is the reason why I haven't said anything about it on CoM. It's definitive and I can't top it (for 1968 read 1984, otherwise it all has personal relevance for me, including the concluding Lorca quote).

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 October 2002 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Cor blimey I bought an Apples In Stereo CD the other week because someone said they were good and it is very extremely rubbish. I suppose it was only £2, so I shouldn't complain.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Husker Du's "Zen Arcade" - put it on all excited, and was tremendously disappointed. Boring, boring, horrible lumpen punk. Only one decent track (Pink Turns To Blue) which I later got off of Napster. I was amazed this was the stuff that was supposedly an influence on the Pixies. The cover art was shit too (in fact, all Husker Du albums have really horrible cover art... hmm). Exchanged it for My Bloody Valentine's "Isn't Anything", which I'm a lot more happier with.

Also agree with the nomination of Love's "Forever Changes", except the first track is really good.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I forgot, I don't think I will ever try to listen to my copy of Nico's Marble Index. I'd like to trade it for something else. Forever Changes is great. An extremely warm and happy record.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I just bought, for the 2nd time, the Coup's STEAL THIS ALBUM, because it's now a 2-disc set with a "live performance" and "2 additional tracks". The "live performance" sounds like it was recorded on a toilet paper roll, and Pam's scratching sounds - LITERALLY - like one of those "Mr. Microphone w/built-in scratch effects" that I bought way back in the 80s for fun. Honestly, the worst DJing I've ever heard. I'm not even sure she changes the record she's scratching once during the whole set. Absolutely horrible. Boots Riley, you have some explaining to do, you shyster. The 2 additional tracks pretty much bite my crank, too.

matt riedl (veal), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Bloody hell, I was thinking about getting that over the weekend! If this is true, I'll stick to getting a used copy of the original out of MVE or Reckless. Thanks Matt!

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 October 2002 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Silver Apples. Great for the two or three tracks it takes you to realise that *it's all like this*. Then you realise how bad *this* really is. End result - an overwhelming desire to bury the wretched item at the bottom of the bin and pretend you never owned it.

Belle and Sebastian - Boy with The Arab Strap. God knows why, against all my better judgement, I bought this rubbish. By track three I would have gladly accepted 50p if someone would have come and taken it away. No, I would have paid to have it destroyed in front of me.

Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen. The gulf between the claims made for this piece of shit and what it's REALLY like is several universes wide.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Clinics "distortions" was my favorite song of 2001. I just got "Walking with Thee" and it's a lifeless mess. Flat.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I had a similar reaction to Zen Arcade and sold it a long time ago. Others: Twin Infinitives, The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter,

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

"Metal Priest" by the Plasmatics - all songs horrible, even "Black Leather Monster" which I fondly remember watching a live rendition of on Solid Gold, of all things; Wendy O Williams chainsawed her guitar in half and distributed it to the audience and I remember thinking "the rest of the band isn't playing their instruments at all, they're just hitting them!" - which in retrospect might have been a better strategy!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The 6ths - Wasps Nests. Someone, please take this off me. Or at least tell me that I'm listening to it wrong. Or something.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:11 (twenty-three years ago)

(reckless and MVE are now forewarned that Marcello is about to rob them ;-) seriously, my thanks also to matt for the tip-off about the coup record. Mind you, "steal this double CD" or whatever it's called now just sounds like a naff rip-off, doesn't it?)

I had a degree of "buyer's remorse" recently when I bought the Soul sessions double CD compilation. The first 12 tracks on CD1 were all 80s 'deep soul', which is not my cup of tea at all (cheap electronic keyboards, "Come on baby, let's get on down tonight" type lyrics, about as much 'soul' as a plastic carrier bag IMHO. The Luther Vandross track was the highlight!). Fortunately, the last two tracks and most of CD2 consisted of 1970s stuff - much more what I was expecting/hoping for: Chi-lites, Isaac Hayes, Millie Jackson... My remorse was slightly overcome. Not completely tho'.

Jeff W, Friday, 11 October 2002 12:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Sea Change

I lurve almost everything that everyone else here hates. Am I just contrary? Although I'm with Tom on the Grandaddy, thass fer shore.

J (Jay), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Cat Power Moon Pix I may have listened to the first two songs, but the rest of it was put the needle down, listen to the first 10 seconds, pick the needle up, move to next song, repeat.

Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy- I forget the name of it, but it's got a cover of "Thriller" on it. Sounded like a bad novelty album. I should've been tipped off when I bought it from a used record store and it was still sealed.

Husker Du- New Day Rising- I like "Girl Who Lives On Heaven Hill", but the rest is awful. I can't understand why their name keeps popping up when describing great albums of the 1980s.

Vic Funk, Friday, 11 October 2002 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Fooking christ.. I guess not everyone can have my sense of developed taste or do people just want to be contratrian?

Forever Changes, rubbish? you sir, are an ass.

Gentlemen, a "piece of shit"? you sir, see above.
(I wont even comment on Grandaddy)

It is one thing to state your opinion, but funny that, your posts seem to imply some definitive take of the albums...

insectifly (insectifly), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah imagine that!!!!

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Insectifly, I think you can assume that everyone speaking about an album here is just stating an opinion.

And I agree re Moon Pix except I really like that "Colors and Kids" song.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't even say anything about Grandaddy other than mention the name - let alone imply that my opinion was the 'definitive take'. But if you want to know I thought it was hokey nonsense whose central themes abt 'machines' and 'humanity' were either trite or muddled and in either case apallingly tweely expressed. I thought the way the guy sang in an unvarying high-register quaver was similarly crappy and manipulative - or would have been if it wasn't so laughable. And I thought the orchestration was a pretty desperate attempt to tart up a set of go-nowhere songs. Mind you perhaps it was a 'grower'.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

And I lack your sense of developed taste obv.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Another vote for Husker Du, this one for Warehouse songs and stories. I do like Bob Mould's solo album and the first two Sugar Lp's though.

Yeah and Gentleman is rubbish. I believed the hype that he was some great white soulman, rather than just sounding constipated. I'm not stating an opinion btw, just a scientifically proven fact.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Howcha magowcha!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 11 October 2002 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

ALL THE HUSKER HATAS MUST DIE!!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen. The gulf between the claims made for this piece of shit and what it's REALLY like is several universes wide.

One man's Double Hipness is another man's Gentlemen.

(I think these are the only two records we've ever disagreed on.)

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Bill's absolutely OTM! Workbook YES; Copper Blue YES; Beaster may well be the most excoriating 30 minutes of rock music ever recorded. But Husker? Maybe I need to reinvestigate - I haven't played any of their records, probably not since the '80s, and don't remember being THAT knocked out by them at the time, though suspect that a good compilation could be made out of them (Diane, Reoccurring Dreams, Heaven Hill, Makes No Sense At All, Ice Cold Ice etc.).

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 October 2002 13:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I never much liked the post-Husker Du. I do remember (har har) liking Sugar, but I was always a Husker D lovah! Especially the Grant Hart penned tunes. Shit, I need to replay those Nova Mob CDs (before I also sell'em!)

Now I KNOW I need the Coup judging from the above rant. :-)

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh no here comes Tom talking about Sugar... I can feel it...

Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark is OTM concerning The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter. Absolutely unlistenable pseudo-folkrock crap. Actually I have two other albums by the Incredible String Band in the same vein.

Moon Pix on the other hand is a true classic. I saw Cat Power live on the Moon Pix tour. One of the most mesmerizing concerts I have ever been to. Chan Marshall was somewhere in the clouds whereas the guitarist brought the whole thing back to earth again.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Lauryn Hill's 'Unplugged 2.0' is just her on her own strumming and picking an acoustic guitar and singing and occasionally rapping. The songs are long, intense and wordy. No backing singers :-( The talk is a load of barely coherent nervous babble about the problems of fame, and talking about the problems of fame with Ziggy Marley. I suppose the music's quite pleasant, catchy even, if a little earnest, but it grates after a while, and there's about 2 hours of it. It's not very 'pop'.

Tom, can't you leave your 'Astral Weeks' on the coffee table and get your housemates to have a catfight over it?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I bought the new Ex-Models/Seconds split CD the other day and I was pissed; not because of the quality of the music, but because I payed $7 for a CD that turned out to be 5 minutes long. I am still mad.

Nick A., Friday, 11 October 2002 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Zen Arcade ('tho like MC I haven't played it for a zillion yrs) because it was back in the days when you could actually hear the bass and the snare had a bit of a thwack. NDR is unlistenable, as is Flip Your Wig (goodish songs on latter though). Warehouse is good and someone remembered to turn the bass up a touch (but not enough).

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

DESERTERS SONG! THE SOFT BULLETIN!

gareth (gareth), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

You are right Gareth, but there is one magic song on Deserter's songs. The first one: Holes. All the rest is bollocks.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

ALL IS DREAM! ALL IS DREAM!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Mogwai - Young Team
But it has grown on me greatly.

Deserter's Songs & Astral Weeks & Husker Du & THe Soft Bulletin IS GRATE you heathens!

Keith McD (Keith McD), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah All Is Dream except I was secretly expecting to hate it and also I keep putting "The Dark Is Rising" on when I'm drunk and liking it.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

also, pretty much any drum & bass record after 1997, with the exception of bad company (maybe.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

What about albums you hated 10 seconds in and then realized much later you were wrong? The second CD I ever bought was Depeche Mode's Music For the Masses because "Personal Jesus" was on the radio... and of course the record store was either out of Violator or it hadn't come out yet. Anyway, it was too much for my naive ears to handle... wussy British music and all. Fast forward 12-odd years and of course I wish I could go back in time and explain to me why liking grunge would NOT make me popular, and why I would've been much better off just embracing that very wussiness. Ah well.

That Starsailor record got sold back to the record store VERY quickly, as did a ? & the Mysterians CD that was in fact old songs recorded in the '90s. I was VERY mad about that one, especially since I noticed it on the CD case literally 2 seconds into listening to it.

Aaron W., Friday, 11 October 2002 13:53 (twenty-three years ago)

that godawful At the Drive-In (although it was v. cheap) and the new El-P record.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 11 October 2002 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)

* Pulp's This Is Hardcore. I think I listened to it once. I'm still hoping it'll grow on me someday, considering how much I like the albums that came before and after it.

* The Dead Kennedys' Plastic Surgery Disasters. Bought it at age 15, hated it, traded it in for, I think, a Rush album. I was still in transition, obviously.

* Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols. Also bought as a teenager. "I thought this was supposed to be intimidating! Why aren't I scared?"

Mike Appelstein (mike a), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

It's been so long I don't remember the last time. I haven't had the money to buy much, so I've been overly selective about cd-buying.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

''Bill's absolutely OTM! Workbook YES; Copper Blue YES; Beaster may well be the most excoriating 30 minutes of rock music ever recorded. But Husker? Maybe I need to reinvestigate - I haven't played any of their records, probably not since the '80s, and don't remember being THAT knocked out by them at the time, though suspect that a good compilation could be made out of them (Diane, Reoccurring Dreams, Heaven Hill, Makes No Sense At All, Ice Cold Ice etc.)''

I don't remember workbook being THAT good. copper blue and beaster are fantastic but surely anyone who likes those sugar recs must surely like Husker Du. Zen Arcade and the last alb are beautiful beautiful records (the last one makes you believe that major labels aren't evil). will have to go home and play 'em tonight.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Funkadelic's Maggot Brain, bought yesterday. The main reason for my remorse is that I had all the good singles ("Hit it and Quit It", "Can You Get To That", etc.) already on the Music For Your Mother comp and "Maggot Brain" and "Super Stupid" on mp3. The only songs I didn't have were the last two -- "Back In Our Minds" and "Wars of Armageddon" -- and I hated hated HATED them. The rest of the album is classic, but in my case it's also redundant. Oh well.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 11 October 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Stuff I bought that I sold quickly:
First couple Mogwai albums, everyone was raving about them but failed to mention how utterly boring they were.
Clinic - Walking with thee
Any Catherine Wheel albums after their first couple
Most britpop albums released after 1996 or so.

Also, I kind of regret having spent the cash on a bunch of Brilliant Corners LPs, they are not bad but don't do much for me. May put them up on ebay at some point.

This is kind of like the worst albums ever thread. It's fine to dislike anything but most of the stuff here isn't even close to the worst stuff out there. Search allmusic guide for devilhead. Of course, it's doubtful anyone ever actualy purchased a devilhead CD.

g (graysonlane), Friday, 11 October 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

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obv.

DavidM (DavidM), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Alfie - "If Your Happy You Need Do Nothing"...I heard the first track in a Virgin Megastore in Disneyworld and thought wow, Im rushing out to get this when I get home. I bought it the day I got home...traded it in the following saturday.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Meterman's The Silver Age was the first CD I ever sold, which was a fairly drastic step for me at the time.

Double Nickels On The Dime was doubly painful for having imported the bluddy thing, & Screamedelica irritates me in a profound & distressing way.

Ess Kay (esskay), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

haha is there ANYONE who didn't fall for screamadelica, even like 5-10 years after the fact?

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 11 October 2002 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

me. i was the only sane enough person.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Screamadelica is one of the best albums of the '90s. So there. :P

Aaron W., Friday, 11 October 2002 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Nate: I understand the buyer's remorse about buying an album you already have most of, but don't give up on the last two tracks of Maggot Brain. They only work in context, but they work very well. Never give up on any Clinton album, my brother: keep the faith.

I made my brother buy Loveless and burn a copy for me, and I'm glad, because I must be the only person in the history of this site who doesn't think it's the be-all and end-all.

Not so lucky with Alicia Keys (I know, but it was cheap...still not worth it) or El-P.

Matt C., Friday, 11 October 2002 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

INCLUDING THE CONCLUDING LORCA QUOTE!

david h (david h), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:29 (twenty-three years ago)

''I think Screamadelica is one of the best albums of the '90s. So there. :P''

i kill ya!!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

The second best piece of AW writing.

david h (david h), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I made my brother buy Loveless and burn a copy for me, and I'm glad, because I must be the only person in the history of this site who doesn't think it's the be-all and end-all.

You're not. I think I started a thread about this w long while ago, actually.

J (Jay), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

You people are all mentalists. All this Husker Du hate is upsetting and the Apples in Stereo are GREBT. (I just started playing the new one on repeat play this morning and I'm not getting tired of it at all.) I will agree on the Grandaddy, though...I never could figure out why people were creaming themselves over that one.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I have only ever re-sold something the next day to get it out of my sight and that is Slowdive - Just for Today. It was so disappointing after ep's, and I felt stupid paying $28 for it and getting excited about it coming out etc. I just remember wonndering "where is the fuzz?" as fuzz was very important to me at the time.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Sebadoh, Mazzy Star, Any Pop Album with Great Singles (sorry, but).

david h (david h), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

david is on OTM: melody is a bloody virus!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I love how half of these albums getting returned are twee bullshit. Death to timidity!

And I also like seeing Clinic's Walking with Thee mentioned. I got some shit for trashing that album when it came out, but I was right! Hooray! Thank you Molly!

(hooray thank you molly was yelled repeatedly by a crazy low biggest fan last night after every song. apparently she is unaware that low's drummer's name is, in fact, mimi.)

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I listened to Walking With Thee on the way to work today (they are in Mpls. tonite!) and you are NOT right Yancey, not right at all. MORE CLARINETS IN ROCK PLEASE

Nate Patrin, Friday, 11 October 2002 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Modest Mouse's The Moon and Antarctica, Primal Scream's XTRMNTR

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 11 October 2002 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

it was the streets one.
everyone was saying 'album of tha year!!!!!!!!' and stuff and about how it was super-great. no one had anything bad to say about it! people said bad stuff about roots manuva, even. so, i thought people would feel comfortable saying that this was terrible.

as a rule, i'm not really interested in british people. that whole island is pretty much a barren wasteland. but i suspended my prejudice or whatever and ordered it. unheard!

i felt sad because i was not able to listen to any of the songs all the way through and it cost me money. i felt angry and betrayed.

dk, Friday, 11 October 2002 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

NEw Day Rising is the best Husker album actually. Like sean said, you are all mentalists. Continue returning all "twee bullshit" so i have a better used selection. Although I don't think anyone has mentioned any truly twee stuff here. ILM generally has no clue about twee.

g (graysonlane), Friday, 11 October 2002 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Continue returning all "twee bullshit" so i have a better used selection. Although I don't think anyone has mentioned any truly twee stuff here. ILM generally has no clue about twee.

Then what is Belle & Sebastian ("shit" does not qualify because of its obviousness)?

And Nate, Walking with Thee is an extremely dull record. Yesterday I was listening to their stuff in order: the singles, then Internal Wrangler and Walking with Thee. It stuck out like an awful thumb! A few good songs, though: The Equaliser, Welcome and Sunlight Bathes Our Home.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 11 October 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Urban bloody Hymns. Even though I didn't pay for it. I've tried liking this fucker. Over and over I have tried. I can't even stay awake for the start of side 2. Die, Ashcroft, die...

Of those I have paid for, Chris TT's Beatverse felt like a rip-off for £1. Oh, and Simian's Chemistry Is What We Are. One good song then back to the M&VE from whence it came...

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 11 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Walking with Thee is an extremely dull record.

Well I get transfixed by the beats myself -- there's a lot of subtle disco/house rhythm at work that I find plays off the melodies and riffs in a ridiculously catchy manner, or maybe it just seems that way to me because I've been going on a severe Daft Punk bender this year and if I wanted to I could extrapolate house rhythms from "Welcome to the Jungle". I still have yet to get ahold of Internal Wrangler though I know a couple songs off it (i.e. the rules-all title track and "Return of Evil Bill") and I've gotta familiarize myself with their earlier stuff (read: I AM A BIG POSER who bought their most recent album first! Oh no!). Most of the complaints I've heard about WWT is that "Wrangler woz bettah" and as someone who didn't have that album as his first impression of Clinic I suppose my opinion's pretty tainted. Should be interesting to see what they throw into their set tonight.

Oh hey, back on topic, I was kerfooked by The Rising, too. It's the kind of album I can listen to in the car with my folks but that's about it. I knew I shoulda gotten Darkness on the Edge of Town instead.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 11 October 2002 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

That's interesting, Nate -- you coming at them from the opposite direction. I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts after you hear the rest. But know this: The earlier releases (and the EP collection in particular) have much crazier beats. More of the percussion layering, etc. What I don't like about WWT is that these parts have been significantly downplayed. So it wouldn't surprise me if you ended up liking the other stuff much more. Search: "Porno" from the EP collection. This will be to your liking.

The last album that really pissed me off by its awfulness was Title TK from the Breeders.

Yancey (ystrickler), Friday, 11 October 2002 17:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll buy that for a dollar. (Yeah, that's probably about all I'd pay for Title TK. What a disappointment.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I, uh, actually like "Walking With Thee" (although I only have it on .mp3, maybe it's sounds worse on CD - ha ha!).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Daft Punk

Girls Against Boys

jel -- (jel), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha: after having really enjoyed Grandaddy's Under the Western Freeway, it was the amazing boringness of The Sophtware Slump that made me realize something was going desperately dull about indie.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

The title track off WWT is fantasmic, and Welcome is super too. Thing is, it was the first Clinic album I bought, but I d/l'ed most of their other stuff... it does lack variation a little. Not a waste of time, just a disappointment.

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 11 October 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

The Blue Nile's Hats strikes me as being on of the dullest records of all times. And XTRMNTR is crap. As is the first Chemical Brothers Dig Your Hole and the first Daft Punk Discovery and Air's Moon Safari. Who wants them? In exchange of course.

Who is going to kill me first, then?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 11 October 2002 19:58 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah, and if I'd paid money for it, I would've despised an introduction to Nick Drake that much more.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Spacetime Continuum, "Sea Biscuit"

Lukas Bergstrom (lukas), Friday, 11 October 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Why did I believe Amazon's recommendations system?

Lukas Bergstrom (lukas), Friday, 11 October 2002 21:03 (twenty-three years ago)

ILM generally has no clue about twee.

My god there's WORSE?

Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 October 2002 23:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Since today is trash Bob Mould day...that self titled one was a major let down. I thought it was a major yawn.

I pretty much bought every new record he did as soon as it came out from Flip Your Whig to that self titled one, but I haven't heard anything since.

Doesn't seem like I have missed much.

I used to like Nick Cave until he started making all of those ballads records. They are not bad for what they are...but they are not what I like. I still haven't heard his last one.

earlnash, Friday, 11 October 2002 23:27 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a great thread because those moments where you're standing next to the CD player regretting your purchase are particularily foul ones. Y'all are gonna kill me here but I felt ashamed of myself for purchasing THE COMPLETE STONE ROSES. After I listened to it, that is. When I was coming home from the store with it I felt so cool, considering all the praise that English people had heaped on it. (Zzzzz)

Famous Athlete, Saturday, 12 October 2002 02:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Marvin Gaye's _What's Going On_ -- "what's going on" with all those fucking AWFUL songs in the middle? (har har har...)

I was the music director of my radio station last year, so I had the pleasure of feeling burnt out on music and never wanting to hear another note just about, oh, twenty times a day? You guys have no idea the sheer volume of dreck that gets put out...

Clarke B. (emily), Saturday, 12 October 2002 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

They're there to distract you from the fucking AWFUL songs not in the middle..

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 12 October 2002 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Dig Your Own Hole? Discovery? Shite? I think we need to resurrect the "Convince Me This Is Good" thread.

And I nominate Kiss - Alive. Let the roasting begin!

Dave M. (rotten03), Saturday, 12 October 2002 06:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Sebadoh, HARMACY
Harry Pussy, whatever that one with the white cover is. That's just bloody awful.
Sonic Youth, NYC GHOSTS AND FLOWERS.
Luna, LIVE
The soundtrack to OUT OF SIGHT - I hate dialog bled over song intros.
I like all the Bob Mould/Husker Du/Sugar mentioned here, but LAST DOG AND PONY SHOW is not notable at all.
Glad to see all the Grandaddy posts, I thought maybe I was missing the point. There's no there there, near as I can see.

doug, Sunday, 13 October 2002 04:17 (twenty-three years ago)

And XTRMNTR is crap. As is the first Chemical Brothers Dig Your Hole and the first Daft Punk Discovery

Neither of those are the first albums.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Wire: Manscape - so bland it's almost offensive.
Verbena: Souls for Sale - awful, awful, awful. Huge disappointment, since Pilot Park was so good. It's sad that they apparently tried to sell-out, sounding like the Black Crowes or something, and went nowhere and scared off their original fanbase.
Half Japanese: Bonehead - couldn't even get through it. Still a good live band (even though Jad recycles some moves).

Ernest P., Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

2 Many DJ's the first time I heard it. I was listening to it in the front room and my (v.backward) mum inevitably asked "People actually like this?", and I was like "Erm, apparently...".

I put it on again and adored it though.

Graham (graham), Sunday, 13 October 2002 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Spiritualized - Let It Come Down (obv)

I too mistakenly bought Zen Arcade. Biggest pile of leaden punk toss ever. Can't agree with the slating Genleman is receiving though.

bert, Sunday, 13 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Neither of those are the first albums.
Blame on me, Ronan. I meant Daft Punk's Homework. I don't know Discovery actually. Chemical Brothers did something before Dig Your Own Hole? Whatever it was I am happy I didn't have to listen to it.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Sunday, 13 October 2002 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

i liked "exit planet dust" by the chems, the album just before "dig your own hole"; so much beter.

my big mistake was jimmy eat world. boy was i ever wrong about that one.

dyson (dyson), Sunday, 13 October 2002 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

the last two mercury rev releases, which were almost as comatose as...'the sophtware slump'. ironically, they played one of the best live shows here in sydney earlier this year that i've seen for a long, long time. fancy that, huh...

Did you see 'em last night, Angelo? I was too busy being teeth-clenchingly disappointed by the Nightmares On Wax live "experience"...

Anyone who regrets buying This Is Hardcore or Run Come Save Me hasn't given either record nearly enough time to settle in - your perseverence will be righly rewarded...

Oh, and to answer the question: Is A Woman - 2002's greatest disappointment.

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 14 October 2002 00:25 (twenty-three years ago)

You aren't supposed to 'enjoy' Harry Pussy.

threemetalinsects (threemetalinsects), Monday, 14 October 2002 04:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Company Flow "Funcrusher Plus"

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 14 October 2002 05:20 (twenty-three years ago)

threemetalinsects - I enjoy Harry Pussy live, and I enjoy much of the singles comp. It's just that album that I couldn't stand.

doug, Monday, 14 October 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Morceeba/ColdPlay/Muse/Doves/David Gray/Richard Ashcroft/Badly Drawn Boy/Tom Mcrae/Travis/KidA/Death in Vegas/ Fat Boy/Bernard Butler/JJ72/Leftfield

I am a fool. I will never cross the atlantic again.

Kiwi, Monday, 14 October 2002 07:19 (twenty-three years ago)

so is buying an album where one song is great and the rest is crap the same thing?

Which reminds me: shouldn't Faithless own this thread?

Anyway: Sex & Misery by Voice of the Beehive and cLOUDDEAD, S/T

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 October 2002 07:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Most of my records.
Some examples;

MBV - Isn't anything
B.R.M.C
Ed Harcourt
Latest GYBE!
Moldy Peaches
Slowdive - Souvlaki
White Stripes - white blood cells

Marc, Monday, 14 October 2002 10:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Sonic Youth - Dirty
Beastie boys - that 2 cd compilation
Heavenly - decline and fall of heavenly (?)
Refused - shape of punk to come

Marc, Monday, 14 October 2002 10:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Beta Band - their album
Beta BAnd - their singles compilation
PJ Harvey - to bring you my love
Nick Cave - boatmans call
Velvet underground - the bananananana
Suede - head music
Suede - their debut albu,
stone roses - compilation

Marc, Monday, 14 October 2002 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)


also, pretty much any drum & bass record after 1997, with the exception of bad company (maybe.)

you sound like my boyfriend.

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 14 October 2002 11:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Portishead 'Dummy' - initial interest sparked by CMJ's hard 'RIYL: This Mortal Coil" sell. so strange and off-putting at first; went straight into the trade-in pile. salvaged on a whim, reassessed, adored ever since.

Bark Psychosis 'Hex' - "laid-back" and "beautiful," yes, definitely. but they forgot Capital-B-oring. at least on the first listen. set aside for many weeks, dusted off during just the right moment (lazy, rainy day; housework), savored. saw immediate jetscreaming leap to unimpeachable #1 Best Album of All Time status.

recently: Cosmos (Sachiko M. & Ami) - 'Tears' - man, i'm just not 'getting' this one at all. perhaaps a good sign...

summerslastsound/ gg

summerslastsound (summerslastsound), Monday, 14 October 2002 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you are in the wrong thread here, summerslastsound. Try this one though there was a better one on albums you used to hate which you later loved or something like that.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 14 October 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)


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