Anticipate tonight's CUBS-ASTROS game with me...

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will it be a classic pitcher's duel, old school (Rocket) vs. new (Prior)? Or will EnronMINUTE MAID give up the longball?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I come watch it at your place? I gots no ESPN.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, sure you can. Better catch a flight now, tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, can you pick me up at LaGuardia at 5:00?

And according to ESPN.com, MMP ranks 21 out of 30 parks in Runs Per Game, and the Park Factor for home runs was a slightly-above-average 1.05. The number of home runs given up in that park have declined significantly since the Astros traded Jose Lima.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i was hoping this game would get it's own thread.

yeah mmp is still the same hitter's park, the astros just have a kickass staff now. the real question is, is prior 100%? he got rawked in his last start. and will this one-up the clemens-wood matchup from last year? (no, because it's not a day game at wrigley field, yes, because juan acevedo blew that fucking game costing the yankees one win and clemens his 300th one)

John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, can you pick me up at LaGuardia at 5:00?

dude just take a cab, it'll be quicker (plus I don't have a car so I can't really pick you up).

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)


I may even skip the Cronenbergian French film "In My Skin" at BAM to catch this sucker. Clemens will be getting his first "L."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

MAKE A BOLD PREDICTION:

Not sure if y'all have been paying attention, but May is over and Derrek Lee has emerged from hibernation.

Derrek Lee is 3/6 with 2 doubles vs. Clemens. The Sosa factor is negligible cause the Rocket ownz0rz him lifetime.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 June 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

FINAL SCORE 6-3 as CLEMENS gets his first loss!

Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sosa factor is negligible cause the Rocket ownz0rz him lifetime.

also negligible as he's still in minor-league rehab, yes?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Prior still limited to 80 pitches? Cubs get smoked by Roger Rocket: 6-1.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oh fuck, is he? that blows

John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the Cubs' bullpen loses this one.

AND ROGER GOES 10-0 ALL UP IN YOUR FACE!!!

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

also negligible as he's still in minor-league rehab, yes?

yeah, my point was poorly phrased. i meant to say that anyone thinking the Sosa-less Cubs were playing underhanded need not put too much effort into that thought.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

gotcha. What's Alou's line on Clemens?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

similar to Soser's but only 4 ABs.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

ah so statistically dissimilar, then, as Soser has 16 AB.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Sosa's numbers against Astros pitchers (16 or more AB):

Oswalt: 28 AB, .143 BA, .429 OPS, 1 HR, 13 K
Miller: 24 AB, .292 BA, .721 OPS, 0 HR, 10 K
Clemens: 16 AB, .125 BA, .438 OPS, 1 HR, 6 K
Redding: 16 AB, .250 BA, 1.208 OPS, 3 HR, 5 K
Dotel: 21 AB, .238 BA, .958 OPS, 3 HR, 13 K

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

any RHP with the ability to throw a breaking ball off the plate on command should have no trouble against sosa. though dotel seems to have hung a couple.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

He only had 3 AB against Brad Lidge so I didn't include him, but he would seem to have the kind of stuff that Sammy would flail at with regularity.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i was thinking the same thing. i'm surprised he doesn't have 3 Ks.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Lidge has gotten out of three big time, no-out jams in the last week. Two with bases loaded and one with a runner at third in a 1-0 game. That slider is unhittable. I think most of the hits off of him come when tries to mix in a fastball. And he gets that up to 97!

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 14 June 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Lidge's last game was 2.0 IP, 6Ks. ROWR.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 June 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

so are you guys getting this game? over here espn had philly-cinci, i suppose because fs chicago's carrying the game.

prior's curve is filthy tonight. he looks a lot sharper than he did in either of his other starts.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

YES

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

FEAR THE WRATH OF TODD WALKER!

earlnash, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

prior lost that hammer curve somewhere in the third inning and it was basically an offspeed pitch from there on out. that's apparently a strength related thing, so when he gets everything back after a couple starts he should be well on his way to another 2.50 ERA, 11+ k/9 season...and one of the greatest careers of all time. (jinx?)

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

quiet you

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh... I'm starting to get impatient with this team. If they don't make a run before the All-Star Break, I think we might see a change at manager. For the first time tonight, I heard somebody in the national media question if the Astros are under-achieving and the answer for the past month has been a big fat "Yes." Bagwell and Hidalgo have dropped off the face of the earth and Morgan Ensberg still doesn't have a home run. The pitching hasn't been great, but the offense really hasn't given the pithers much of a chance lately.

Hey Rick Sutcliffe, tell us again how you fell about the hill in center field.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, I wish I could've seen this game. Hijacked a TV and tuned in a for a brief instant when 1) Aramis hit a solo shot to make it 2-0 and 2) when they were taking Prior down with the Cubs up 5-0.

Looks like the only thing Prior's missing right now is efficiency with his pitches. MAD_DOG can help him with that I guess.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i recently got asked why the astros aren't winning and i was like [insert shrug emoticon here]. bagwell's still got a .400 OBP, but that ensberg this is weird. however ,biggio, berkman, kent are all doing great. add miller, oswalt, clemens (to some extent pettitte) in the rotation and lidge and dotel in the bullpen and this team's barely above .500? maybe the explanation is the level of competition as much as it is anything else, but they're going to be in it until the dust of that nl central horse race settles. too solid a team not to.

(xpost) prior threw 2/3 of his pitches for strikes which is excellent, he just needs to be able to maintain his curveball. and he's on a pitch count and everyone knows it; a lot of the astros batters came to the plate looking like their only goal was to foul a few pitches off before taking a seat.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the curve was what I was most interested in tonight. It was lethal in his first start but he couldn't spot it for strikes against the Cards. Sounds like it worked pretty well for him again tonight. I'm sure it'll become a more effective pitch with increased stamina.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

National League
East W L Pct GB Home Road East Cent West Streak L10
Florida 35 28 .556 -- 16-12 19-16 17-8 6-9 9-8 Won 1 5-5
Philadelphia 32 28 .533 1.5 14-13 18-15 10-15 5-6 14-5 Won 1 5-5
Atlanta 30 32 .484 4.5 15-13 15-19 16-10 6-9 6-9 Lost 2 4-6
NY Mets 29 33 .468 5.5 15-13 14-20 13-12 4-11 11-5 Won 1 3-7
Montreal 20 41 .328 14.0 9-17 11-24 7-18 5-10 6-9 Lost 3 4-6

Central W L Pct GB Home Road East Cent West Streak L10
St. Louis 36 27 .571 -- 13-15 23-12 10-8 19-17 5-1 Won 1 6-4
Cincinnati 34 28 .548 1.5 18-10 16-18 11-6 16-11 7-5 Lost 6 3-7
Chi Cubs 34 29 .540 2.0 18-14 16-15 5-1 18-18 9-9 Won 3 7-3
Houston 33 29 .532 2.5 15-14 18-15 6-6 22-19 3-3 Lost 1 4-6
Milwaukee 31 29 .517 3.5 16-13 15-16 8-4 13-14 8-10 Lost 1 5-5
Pittsburgh 24 35 .407 10.0 9-18 15-17 5-1 13-22 6-6 Lost 8 1-9

West W L Pct GB Home Road East Cent West Streak L10
Los Angeles 32 28 .533 -- 15-12 17-16 6-9 8-7 16-8 Lost 1 5-5
San Diego 33 29 .532 -- 16-12 17-17 10-6 8-7 13-12 Lost 2 5-5
San Francisco 32 31 .508 1.5 15-14 17-17 8-7 8-7 13-14 Won 1 6-4
Arizona 26 37 .413 7.5 12-17 14-20 6-14 5-7 11-14 Won 1 6-4
Colorado 21 41 .339 12.0 13-16 8-25 6-10 5-10 10-15 Lost 8 1-9


x-Clinched Playoff Spot; y-Division Champ

Last updated Monday, Jun 14, 2004 11:07 pm EDT

Really, the whole league is pretty even, except the west is a bit weak.

The central is stacked, 4 of the top 5 records in the league in the division and the Astros are only a game off of the pace.

Cinci is already fading, I can't see them finishing any better than .500 over the entire season, they just don't have the pitching.

St. Louis is hitting like Clubber Lang, but I have to wonder about their pitching, I suppose they will hold on as long as the bullpen keeps working well. Either way, I don't think they don't have the good enough starters for the playoffs. The Angels somehow won a series with subpar starting pitching and a good bullpen, so maybe it can happen.

Considering the injuries that the Cubs have sustained and the handful of blown opportunities by the bullpen, they are not in bad shape. As stated beforehand, the offseason pickups have worked out well. Mercker, Remlinger and Prior are back from injuries, Wood and Sosa are getting closer to returning, so I feel pretty good looking ahead.

Moises Alou isn't getting much props, but he is having one of his best seasons in quite a few years and has been a key to them maintaining during this stretch. Todd Hollandsworth has hit very well subbing for Sosa, so the Cubs haven't missed his bat much.

earlnash, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds a bit harsh...the Cards starting pitching is workmanlike and solid, calling them subpar isn't really the case, considering how poor some staffs seem to be. They just don't have one starter that comes off like a badass.

earlnash, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Prior still limited to 80 pitches? Cubs get smoked by Roger Rocket: 6-1.

He pitched a little over 90 tonight, but he still has a limit of some sort.

Oh and hahaha who got smoked, beeyotch?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 06:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I SWEAR I heard Sutcliffe also try to attribute Clemens' ineffectiveness last night to (paraphrasing, of course) getting a hit in the 3rd inning with 0 out and getting stranded @ 2nd base. Because he's an American League pitcher. And his "routine" was thrown out of whack by not getting a chance to return to the dugout prior to the top of the 4th. Which, of course, explains the runs scored in the 3rd, 5th, and 6th. I wouldn't mind his belabored A-for-effort analyses so much if his tone of voice and pedantic speech canter didn't remind me of the President. "Here, folks, this is what REALLY happened, okay? Trust me on this one..."

Jimy Williams better not get canned before Bowa, though he's definitely 1a on the shitlist.

And John OTM re: Prior's effectiveness - it's hard to stay in a game long on a 80/90 pitch limit when you strike out 8.

And the thing about the Cardinals (apologies to bnw) is that, unlike the 2K2 Angels, their bullpen is awful (no thanks to TLR, I imagine).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"And the thing about the Cardinals (apologies to bnw) is that, unlike the 2K2 Angels, their bullpen is awful (no thanks to TLR, I imagine)."

Simontacci notwithstanding, at least going by the stats, the rest of the pen has done pretty well this year.

earlnash, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Lies! (he sez before actually CHECKING the Card stats...)

WHAT THE HELL? Kline, King & Tavarez ARE doing well (in a superficial sense)! That's kinda offset by Eldred & Lincoln stinking up the joint (tho I like that Lincoln has a 5.19 ERA with a .92 WHIP), but I'd really like to see what their runners allowed stats are.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I SWEAR I heard Sutcliffe also try to attribute Clemens' ineffectiveness last night to (paraphrasing, of course) getting a hit in the 3rd inning with 0 out and getting stranded @ 2nd base.

That was the other thing Sutcliffe was doing that was driving me up the wall last night. Yeah, throw that out as a possibility, but don't harp on it every time a Cubs batter gets a hit for the rest of the game. Maybe somebody can look this up for me, but was that the first time a National League pitcher has ever gotten a base hit?

And back to the Hill Issue. That hill can go a month without three balls being hit on it, so it was really a freak occurance that three balls went there last night. I'm not saying the hill doesn't pose some kind of injury threat, but Sutcliffe was blowing it out of proportion last night and was really exaggerating the trouble that the centerfielders were having. "Look, Patterson nearly twisted his ankle making the throw." Heck, Biggio very nearly caught that second ball that went up there.

And you're OTM about his tone. It was like he thought they should take the hill out that night after the game just because he doesn't like it.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The nice thing about Rocket's spanking is (trumpet blast) he is now the THIRD-best pitcher of 2004 in the NL!

ERA: Glavine 2.03, Zambrano 2.27, Clemens 2.46
VORP: Glavine 36.3, Zambrano 31.3, Clemens 29.8
Support-Neutral W/L: Glavine 3.2, Clemens 3.1, Zambrano 3.0

Someone fax this to Jack McKeon.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

How does Schmidt match up? I'm going to see him tonight.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I only got to see the end of the game (which means I still got to see Todd Walker's 2nd HR).

Really, you guys should really not pay so much attention to the announcers. Years of listening to Ron Santo and Chip Caray have trained my ears to tune out bullshit (tho I don't mind Sutcliffe that much).

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Schmidt is 5th in the league in SNWL (Livan 4th), and he's 9th in VORP (due to his relatively low innings total).

Re the Cardinal bullpen, they're about middle-of-the-pack -- 16th in MLB in Adjusted Runs Prevented. Cleveland is last by a huge margin.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh and hahaha who got smoked, beeyotch?

You barking up the wrong tree, oops, if you think I really cared who won that game. My ideal outcome would have been Prior and Clemens both blowing out their arms. (Clearly I can't predict worth shit, however.)

I don't think Lincoln has pitched in months, popshots. He done blowed up and they brought in Kiko.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

If the Mets bullpen held its ground, Glavine would have ten wins.

earlnash, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

lincoln was a stud, huge curveball he can throw for stikes. calero's also a stud so it doesn't matter much, but when he returns, goodbye cal eldred. (if he's going to return? i never caught what his injury was)

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(don't mind me, bnw. I was just talkin shit)

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Glavine consistently amazes me, he'll have a mediocre year where everyone says "that's it, then reel off three great years in a row. He's gonna get to 300 wins easily.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

you guys are gonna hate me for this but DIPS says he's pitching well but not THAT well, 3.74 ERA (but i'm guessing he's always been something of an exception to the rule). and it ain't just DIPS, any reasonable assessment would tell you he's getting seriously lucky. lowest BAA of his career by some 40 points, for starters.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

John read my mind (& maybe this BP Triple Play snippet):

[Al Leiter has] caught some lucky breaks, though. Our Pitchers' Quality of Batters Faced report tells us that of the 374 pitchers with at least 50 batters faced, Leiter's opposition OPS (.693) has been the third-lowest; only Matt Wise and Victor Santos, both with the Brewers, have had it easier. More bad news for the Mets: Tom Glavine, who is also enjoying a surprisingly productive year, ranks 33rd from the bottom with a .722 batters faced OPS.

The list, incidentally, is dominated by National League teams. Only 13 of the bottom 100 pitchers play in the AL. In that bottom 100, moreover, 52 of the Mets' 60 starts are represented (all but those of James Baldwin and Matt Ginter).

This would seem to indicate that the Mets have benefited unduly from the vagaries of luck and scheduling, and are headed for some serious bumps in the road. Perhaps--but luck does not compensate for itself, and whether or not these benefits are temporary, they are very real.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Glavine --game by game
Regular Season Season to Date
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS IP ERA BAA
Jun 13 @ KAN W 5-2 W 7.2 4 2 0 0 1 5 7 3 0 0 97.1 2.03 .177
Jun 8 @ MIN L 1-2 - 8.0 5 1 1 0 4 2 6 3 0 0 89.2 2.21 .181
Jun 2 @ PHI W 5-3 - 7.0 3 3 3 1 4 2 6 3 0 0 81.2 2.31 .182
May 28 @ FLA L 1-2 L 7.0 5 2 2 0 2 1 6 3 0 0 74.2 2.17 .187
May 23 COL W 4-0 W 9.0 1 0 0 0 1 8 6 2 0 0 67.2 2.13 .185
May 18 STL W 5-4 - 6.0 8 4 4 1 0 6 5 2 0 0 58.2 2.45 .203
May 12 @ ARI W 1-0 W 7.2 3 0 0 0 2 3 5 2 0 0 52.2 2.05 .191
May 7 MIL L 5-7 L 6.0 6 4 4 2 3 4 4 2 0 0 45.0 2.40 .205
May 2 @ SDG W 6-2 W 6.0 5 2 2 0 1 6 4 1 0 0 39.0 1.85 .197
Apr 27 @ LOS W 9-5 W 6.0 10 3 3 0 1 3 3 1 0 0 33.0 1.64 .195
Apr 21 MON L 1-2 L 7.0 5 2 1 0 2 3 2 1 0 0 27.0 1.00 .150
Apr 16 PIT L 6-7 - 7.0 1 0 0 0 1 2 2 0 0 0 20.0 0.90 .139
Apr 11 @ MON W 4-1 W 7.0 5 1 0 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 13.0 1.38 .184
Apr 6 @ ATL W 7-2 W 6.0 4 2 2 1 2 2 1 0 0 0 6.0 3.00 .190
Total 97.1 65 26 22 5 25 48 7 3 0 0 97.1 2.03 .177

earlnash, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Our beautiful Cubs-Astros thread has been completely derailed into Mets Pitchers talk.

:-(

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

let's compromise and talk about ex-Cub Steve Trachsel!

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Or new Cub Ricky Gutierrez!

Brent is going to hate me for this, but anticipating tonight's game (Zambrano vs. Miller), I can't help but think of Dusty's bonehead managerial decision to let Zambrano bat for himself down 3-1 in the bottom of the 7th last year in Minute Maid.

5 1/2 games out of first, a game under .500 in late July, Zambrano tied the game with a two-run homerun off Miller. The Cubs went on to win, 5-3 and went 37-23 the rest of the season. I don't usually believe in "turning points," but that game was pretty much the turning point of the season. Improbably, Dusty's gut saved the day.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't decide if I want to (A)go home and take a nap before watching the game in its entirety or (B)get out for some exercise by playing 9 holes of golf before dark and then catching the last 3 or 4 innings of the game.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh baby... oh yeah!

CHICAGO CUBS 9TH
-O Dotel relieved B Lidge.
-Top of the 9th inning
-T Goodwin safe at second on error by left fielder L Berkman.
-M Alou flied out to center, T Goodwin to third.
-A Ramirez singled to center, T Goodwin scored.
-T Hollandsworth grounded out to second, A Ramirez to second.
-D Lee intentionally walked.
-M Barrett singled to left, A Ramirez to third, D Lee to second.
-R Martinez singled to left, A Ramirez and D Lee scored, M Barrett to third, R Martinez to second advancing on throw.
-C Patterson hit for K Farnsworth.
-M Gallo relieved O Dotel.
-C Patterson struck out swinging.

3 runs, 3 hits, 1 error
Chicago Cubs 4, Houston 2

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Could you print that in braille for me? I have gouged both my eyes out with a fork.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think my favorite half-inning was the one just previous:


Astros 8th
Kyle Farnsworth pitching:
Jason Lane tripled to deep left center.
Brad Ausmus grounded out to third.
Richard Hidalgo struck out looking.
Craig Biggio struck out looking.
End of Inning (0 Runs, 1 Hit, 0 Errors)

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Already anticipating the next series!

http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/5764.jpg
Kerry Who?

mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 18 June 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Rusch has pitched well, a few years ago people thought he might become a top level starter.

They have to watch playing Oakland this weekend, the A's have beaten the crap out of the NL in the past few years. The matchup between Prior/Mulder on Saturday should be a good one.

earlnash, Friday, 18 June 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)

*retreats with his tail between his legs*

boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 18 June 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

A's didn't look so tough when they got swept outta Busch.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

no bullpen

John (jdahlem), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

No doubt. Arthur Rhodes left all his bling & zing in Seattle, and everyone else (excepting maybe Duscherer (sic)) has been ugleee.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 June 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

They couldn't match up with the ferocity of Simo and Eldred.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 18 June 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That is also true.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 June 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

no chavez or durazo

John (jdahlem), Friday, 18 June 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the cardinals may be in first place, but la russa is still a moron

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Even with getting sweeped by the Cards, they are 6-3 this year in interleague play.

Posted on Tue, Jun. 08, 2004

A's start interleague with a bang

By CHRIS HAFT

San Jose Mercury News


OAKLAND - Given the state of the Oakland A's and the American League, it's perfectly acceptable to say ''Scott Hatteberg'' and ''All-Star candidate'' in the same sentence.

Hatteberg strengthened his case to represent the A's at the midsummer classic by accumulating a career-high five RBIs Monday night with a grand slam and a run-scoring double that paced the A's to a 13-2 victory over the Cincinnati Reds.

The A's improved their interleague record to 76-47, best in the majors since the format was introduced in 1997. This includes a 13-0 mark against the National League Central. So perhaps a rout of the first-place Reds was somewhat fitting, with Hatteberg receiving plenty of help.

Mark Kotsay, Erubiel Durazo and Damian Miller also homered to help the A's match their season-high of four, while Bobby Crosby recorded his second three-hit game in a row. All of this helped Mark Mulder (7-2) win his fifth consecutive decision while allowing two runs and six hits in seven innings.

Numerous players have contributed as the A's have won six of their past seven games, including five out of six without injured third baseman Eric Chavez. But if there has been one constant, it's Hatteberg.

With 16 RBIs in his past 11 games -- including 11 in the past three -- Hatteberg has driven in 33 runs this season, third among A.L. first basemen behind Chicago's Paul Konerko (35) and Detroit's Carlos Pena. Kansas City's Mark Sweeney has 38 RBIs, but he has played only 25 games at first. Hatteberg's .303 batting average leads the league's first basemen.

Oakland jumped ahead on Kotsay's two-run, first-inning homer off former A's right-hander Cory Lidle (4-5), who surrendered nine runs and nine hits in 3 2-3 innings. Adam Dunn's second-inning double for Cincinnati halved the A's lead by sending home Ken Griffey, who went 1 for 3 but remained stuck on 498 career homers.

Hatteberg hiked Oakland's lead in its half of the second with his grand slam, a two-out drive to right field.

The A's chased Lidle with a five-run fourth inning that featured Durazo's homer and RBI doubles from Miller and Hatteberg.

Miller's two-run homer in the eighth inning off Joe Valentine, a former A's prospect, concluded Oakland's scoring.

Notes: Griffey, who spent his first 11 seasons with the AL's Seattle Mariners, has 28 career homers against the A's, including 11 in the Coliseum.... The Reds played their first game in Oakland since completing a sweep with a win in Game 4 of the 1990 World Series.... Oakland, which has the best interleague record of all-time at 76-47, improved to 37-9 at home against the NL since the start of 1999.... Reds SS Barry Larkin started for the first time since last Tuesday. He had been slowed by a sore abdominal muscle. Larkin went 0-for-3.


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earlnash, Saturday, 19 June 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Revive!

Alright, Astros are looking to return the favor by sweeping the Cubbies in their home park. Astros really need to take this series to get themselves back into the the thick of the NL Central race. Pettitte comes of the DL tonight to get it started!

Times and Pitching Matchups (All times CTZ, sucka):

Tue, 7:10 - Pettitte vs. Rusch
Wed, 1:20 - Clemens vs. Clement
Thur, 1:20 - Miller vs. Prior

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

So say the unthinkable happens: one team sweeps the other. What would that mean?

The Astros would be either 5 behind the Cubs or 1 up on them. Does the Carlos Beltran sweepstakes re-open if the former happens? Do the Cubs think about acquiring a higher-priced SS if the latter happens? DOES JIMY WILLIAMS SURVIVE THE SERIES?!

Can't wait, as usual.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Cubs take two of three, you heard it here.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I think if the Astros fail to take at least one game, we won't see Jimy this weekend for the Silver Boot series.

The Beltran Sweepstakes could open again, but not till late July.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

BOLD PREDICTIONS:

Tonight: Pettite vs. Rusch = Astros 8, Cubs 6
6/30: Clemens vs. Clement = Astros 4, Cubs 10
7/1: Miller vs. Prior = Astros 2, Cubs 4

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

That would certainly jive with the Cubs strange habit of playing like crap after an off-day.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The Astros continue to find new and glorious ways to win ballgames.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)


Battle of the Dropped-Balls! Biggio gift wraps one for the Cubs after a rough coupla daze. And Alou's faux search for the ball my daughter and I could clearly see on the television made for riveting theater also. Wild.

gusbot (eternal_fields), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Any future left fielders watching tonight's game picked up some awfully bad habits. And any future home plate umps, for that matter.

Alou can barely bend over.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

How many pitchers can Jimy Williams use in a game? Criminy, he is about as bad as LaRussa.

earlnash, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Alou's adventures in left are rapidly confirming his status as the crown prince of baseball.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

CLOWN prince, I mean. The Bartman episode, the collective gasp every time he has to run toward the corner, the whiz-therapy, and now Operation Ivy. Moises was born to be a Cub.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoyed this line from the Sun-Times:

"Then Adam Everett doubled to the wall in left and Alou shoveled the ball into the ivy with his glove as he tried to field it. Alou proved to be a perfect Chicagoan. He went for the coverup and lost. He saw the ball lying partially hidden in the ivy and attempted to kick it farther out of sight."

Alou's OPS by month:

April: 1.135
May: .826
June: .649

FREE HOLLA!

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

A) What was going on with Clement's control?

B) What happened to Dusty!?!?!?! (rarely gets ejected)

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

How did he get ejected? When did it happen? The Game Cast said nothing about it.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

>Alou's adventures in left are rapidly confirming his status as the crown prince

You meant CLOWN a la Max Patkin?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Dusty didn't get ejected, Sarge did though. Lots of confusion. The arguments have been over the home plate ump, who, in this humble viewer's opinion has been highly deferential to Clemens. We could all be All-Star game starters if we got strikes called six inches outside and at the middle of the shin.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also right before the argument with the home plate ump, the 3B ump called Lee out at third on a sacrifice attempt (runners were on 1st and 2nd with 0 out) when he was clearly safe -- the umpire had a completely blocked view of the play. Dusty came out to argue that one.

That argument was still continuing from the dugout when the argument with the home plate ump broke out, I believe.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

CORRECTION -- CHICAGO MANAGER DUSTY BAKER WAS NOT EJECTED BY HOME PLATE UMPIRE JIM JOYCE AS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED. COACH GARY MATTHEWS WAS EJECTED BY JOYCE FOR ARGUING A PREVIOUS PLAY AT THIRD BASE.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Go Dan Miceli!

Note: both Clemens and Clement gave 5 free passes.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

when did dusty become quick-draw mcgraw?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

eek: lidge vs. lee with 2 men on, thank gawd those are miceli's potential runs!!!

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

rooting for the 'stros feels icky

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Note: both Clemens and Clement gave 5 free passes.

The difference is that Clement threw 104 pitches in 4.2 innings, while it took Clemens 7 complete to get to 105 pitches.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Joyce's deteriorating eyesight is well-known, however. Further, he's been dead for over 60 years.

Picard Maneuver (Leee), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

that is NOT boldbury who did that

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it was Michael Mooore.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Dusty has become self-conscious about his Pitcher Abuse Points ranking.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

so you're saying he's afraid of a PAP smear campaign?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

*groan*

Ah well, anticipating tomorrow's matchup. Still think the Cubs have a good shot at taking 2 of 3. This one doesn't sting as much since the Cards got swept by the Bux.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Whew!

Jimy's job is safe for one more day.

Astros better jump on Prior early because it's doubtful Lidge will be available tomorrow. Gets out of a 2-on, no-out jam in the 8th and then goes 1-2-3 in the 9th. That man is Ice Cold. And I mean that in the good way.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

hi brent, miss dotel much?

OAKLAND                      ip       h   r  er  bb  so  hr    era
R Harden 2 1/3 1 1 0 1 3 0 4.13
J Duchscherer 3 1/3 6 2 2 1 2 0 3.25
J Lehr (B, 1) 1 1/3 0 0 0 2 0 0 0.00
J Mecir (H, 8) 1/3 1 0 0 2 0 0 5.61
O Dotel (W, 1-0; B, 1) 2 2/3 4 4 4 2 2 1 13.50

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

btw, patterson had a great at-bat against lidge.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Re. Dotel: No, not really.

Re. Patterson: Yeah, he and Martinez both. Lidge threw 20 pitches to the two of them combined.

Re. Tommorow's Matchup: Wade Miller went on the DL yesteday, so tomorrow will be Pete Munro going up against Prior. Munro has been very good in his last two starts. Astros have to hit tomorrow.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Gygax!, there is a statute of limitations on Dredging Up Shitty Bullpen Outings.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Was that a moratorium being declared?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

May. 24 @CIN L 7-5
Lidge IP: 0.2 R: 3 ER: 3 H: 3 HR: 1 BB: 1

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

don't ask, dotel

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Just for the record, it seems no one really knows why Sarge Matthews was thrown out yesterday. The Sun-Times says he was arguing balls and strikes:

Cubs catcher Michael Barrett said his team shouldn't point fingers at the umpires after a stinging 3-2 loss Wednesday to the Houston Astros. Many Cubs thought Roger Clemens' strike zone was wider than Lake Shore Drive, and another baserunning disappointment was blamed this time on third-base umpire Dana Demuth's faulty eyesight.

Hitting coach Gary Matthews was ejected by plate umpire Jim Joyce in the fifth when pinch hitter Jose Macias took a disputed strike call. But the impetus for Matthews' anger came in the fourth, when Joyce called a 3-1 pitch from Clemens to Aramis Ramirez strike two when it looked low and outside, then followed with a called strike three on a pitch that appeared inside. That ended the inning rather than putting two men on base with Derrek Lee coming up.

The Trib says he was arguing the call at 3B (why the home plate ump threw him out, then, I have no idea):

Not only was plate umpire Jim Joyce's strike zone debated, but a controversial call by third-base ump Dana DeMuth may have squelched a potentially big fifth for the Cubs.

The Cubs trailed 1-0 with two on and no outs when Astros first baseman Jeff Bagwell dropped a popped bunt off the bat of Ramon Martinez but corralled the ball and threw to third from his knees. DeMuth called Derrek Lee out on a force, causing Baker and Lee to argue vehemently. Matthews continued the argument from the dugout and was tossed moments later.

"That was a big play in the game," Baker said. "Would've been bases loaded, nobody out."

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 1 July 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's a stat for yas:

Lifetime against Mark Prior, Jose Vizcaino is 6-for-14 with 2 HR.

boldbury (boldbury), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Gotta say... small sample size (Vizcaino, not ass sucking).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Make that 7-for-15. Double in the 2nd.

boldbury (boldbury), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Vizcaino has never really made it as a regular everyday player, as he seems prone to slumps, but he has skills. Remember what he did in that WS as a Yankee?

earlnash, Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Vizcaino & Miguel Cairo & Enrique Wilson should form the Put Me In, Coach club so all their haphazard overarcing greatness can be localized in one spot.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, going into the top of the 5th down 4-0, knowing that Prior is still on some sort of pitch count (he had 57 pitches through 4 innings), here is what the Astros do:

Brad Ausmus swings at the first pitch and pops up.
Orlando Palmeiro strikes out on three pitches.
Craig Biggio swings at the firt pitch and flied out.

TAKE A DAMN PITCH!!!

boldbury (boldbury), Thursday, 1 July 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Cubs pen strikes again.

Dusty and Mercker getting a lusty booing from Wrigley as I type.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi, I'm Carlos Beltran.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Lidge should not have even been in the game after his outing yesterday.

Hey Jimy, buh-bye.

boldbury (boldbury), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

And here I thought Sammy couldn't hit good pitchers.

What a freakin' series.

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

WHAT DID I SAY?

Cubs take two of three, you heard it here.
-- Gear! (drink_to_remembe...), June 29th, 2004 11:30 AM.

Thank you and goodnight.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

With Borowski on the DL for mental anguish, someone else has to carry the albatross and it looks like Mercker is the one.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 July 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

He's the new Mark Guthrie!

mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 2 July 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)


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