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I'm starting this thread in honor of Hee-Seop Choi, claimed by the Red Sox today.

― maura (maura), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

JT Snow + Hee Seop = ???

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)

10 and 20 HR, respectively

― Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

hee-seop should be able to take the job from snow. i hope he hits 50. godspeed, young hee-seop.

― dan (dan), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:51 (twenty years ago)

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/heeseopchoi2.jpg

― dan (dan), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Actually, the Sox are thinking about Hee Seop/Snow/Youkilis for a 3-man 1B platoon... yikes.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:57 (twenty years ago)

...

― Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

think: chemistry, dude...

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:04 (twenty years ago)

So crazy it just might work.

― or not (miloaukerman), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:06 (twenty years ago)

FUCK YES

YES FUCK

JT GO HOME

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 25 March 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Why are people so excited about this? I mean, he's better than JT Snow but he's not a particularly good player. He's better than a lot of guys with steady jobs, but why get excited about him? I mean, he probably isn't even as good as Roberto Petagine, who never even got a chance.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 25 March 2006 08:40 (twenty years ago)

when he platooned with saenz they put up a pretty decent ops/hr combo. in the middle of nl 1Bs but still pretty decent. Im surprised the dodgers just gave him up on waivers instead of trading him to boston.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

My favorite Hee Seop fantasy line, from when I owned him briefly a few years back: 0-0, 4 BB, 3 R

― mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

His OBP jumped 19 points that game, making him a .239/.379/.540 oddity at the plate.

― mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Another fun fact about that game: the opposing pitcher was Brandon Webb, a guy with a lifetime 2:1 k/bb ratio. Webb issued 5 walks that game, 4 to Choi.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

The Prospectus guys at thir NJ appearance couldn't figure how all those other teams passed on claiming Choi. Someone (Nate Silver, I think) suggested there's an element of reserved Asian players being perceived as "not passionate."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

I don't doubt that's why Kent got in his grill last year. & why Tracy pined (for) him.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/31/118971621_ed72751d3c_o.jpg

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Julian Tavarez again going nuts. WTF is wrong with that guy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:49 (twenty years ago)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/ap/franflck10503272219.hmedium.jpg

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:55 (twenty years ago)

In Boston’s 12-11 win, which ended when Hee-Seop Choi walked with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth, Gathright raced home while Julio Lugo was caught in a rundown between first and second in the eighth. Second baseman Zach Borowiak threw to Tavarez, who tagged Gathright out as the outfielder slid.
Gathright said Tavarez stood on his right forearm after the tag. Tavarez agreed but said he wanted to beat Gathright to the punch.
“I saw him try to get up and I wasn’t going to let him throw a punch at me right away,” said Tavarez, who threw a second punch on the top of Gathright’s head. “You hear about whoever throws the first punch gets the win. That’s what happened.”
In the Devil Rays clubhouse, Gathright rolled up his right sleeve to show a small scratch on his right forearm. He said he had pushed Tavarez’s left knee to try to free his arm. But Tavarez drew his fist back with Gathright’s right knee and hand still on the ground.

“It just kind of grazed the jaw,” Gathright said.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 27 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

What a jerk-off. I hope he gets suspended for a good long time (and I wouldn't be sorry to see it be permanent.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 00:00 (twenty years ago)

"You hear about whoever throws the first punch gets the win."
Dude's been around long enough that he should really understand how scoring works.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh yay. CHB probably has about 295 nicknames lined up for JT right now. I'm gonna blame Lucchino for this one. Tho if they can just sedate JT between games, & keep him locked up Hannibal-Lecter style when he's not being used, maybe it'll work out.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Surprising that fistfirst Tavares is the same dude who was crying in the dugout near the end of Game 6 of the '95 World Series. Mantears, maybe, but still, tears.

― chocolate kuegelhopf (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Serotonin's a helluva drug, etc.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

mlb.com:

"Yeah, it just kind of glazed," Gathright said. "He hits like a woman."

...

Said Tavarez: "They were yelling at me, 'Let's meet one on one in the parking lot. I don't want to have a fight, man. What happened happened and it's over and I don't want to fight nobody."

― mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

glazed?

poor kid.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

looks like manny's peculiarities may get trumped by tavarez's peculiarities. and i think signing (t)hee sop choi is a sign that mike lowell won't be coming north when the sox break camp.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Has Lowell been that bad? I haven't seen numbers, but what I've read suggests that ML, ideally, will become a $8M defensive caddy, allowing YOUK to get full-time love @ the hot corner, while Hee-Seop hits 'em & JT misses 'em on the other side of the diamond.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

I would just like to point out to the Choi cranks (as it has been pointed out in various places) that, a few years ago, the Sox took a flier on a similar type of hitter - K happy, questionable attitude, no success against lefties. That hitter was David Ortiz. And now you know the rest of the story.

― Paul H. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

few years ago, the Sox took a flier on a similar type of hitter - K happy, questionable attitude, no success against lefties. That hitter was Reggie Jefferson.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

o u

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

As long as I breathe, I will not stand idly by when a player who wears his socks (Sox!) high is disparaged! PULL 'EM UP, JT!

― c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Francona on Tavarez' 10-game suspension: ""It seems like a lot. He should have done steroids. Five more [days] we can replace him. It's a bit stiff."

― c(''c) (Leee), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

i know a manager's got to back his guys up, but tavarez was clearly in the wrong and i have no problem w/ a 10 game suspension. kind of a douche comment.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I think considering Tavarez past incidents on the field, 10 games is a gift. I think this is the fifth or sixth time the guy has been suspended with most of them being for brawls on the field or arguing with umpires. Boston should not be suprised by this kind of crap, the guy is muy loco.

Is there a current player that has been suspended more times than Tavarez?

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 31 March 2006 23:53 (twenty years ago)

I agree that Tavarez is getting off easy, I just wanted to point out the ROIDS ROFFLES bit. And according to that article, this suspension brings his career record to 4.

― c(''c) (Leee), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

schilling is cruising through 5, papi went deep (2 outs, natch) in the top of the 5th. top of 6th, texas goes to the pen, bosox up 5-0.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

no sooner were the words off my fingertips than schilling gives up a two run tater to hank blalok in the bottom of the 6th.

me opening yap = wheels coming off truck.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

mmmm Big Papi

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

man, no Arroyo no douchebag Damon, I think I root for the Red Sox without feeling dirty. Wily Mo and Hee Seop just add to the love.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

my best friend back in boston sent me a picture of some dude with an anti-damon sign reading "LOOKS LIKE JESUS, THROWS LIKE MARY, ACTS LIKE JUDAS".

i'd forgotten how the long winter makes new englanders absolutely insane.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

OH YEAH:

- A. Gonzalez singled to right
- C. Crisp singled to left, A. Gonzalez to second
- M. Loretta flied into double play center to second, A. Gonzalez out at second

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

opening day isn't even over and i've already jinxed the bosox. sorry new england!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

The "date when Lowell will hit 1st Sox HR" pool ended pretty quickly

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

SCHILL THRILLS IN BALTIMORE

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 9 April 2006 00:27 (twenty years ago)

WAKEFIELD ALSO DOES THIS

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 06:35 (twenty years ago)

If Foulke is healthy (as he seems to be), is Papelbon still the closer? At this point I think Papelbon is a better option.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 April 2006 06:48 (twenty years ago)

So does no Coco for 1 month (potentially) mean Adam Stern gets a venti mocha latte in CF, or do teh Sox slide Nixon over & have Wily Mo's Mannyness in RF? Or a little of both?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:07 (twenty years ago)

ugh...on the o's broadcast, it sounded like they were just keeping stern up for rule 5 purposes but would send him down when a year is up so they can recall willie "mays hayes" harris.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

I think Pap has the stuff to be a starter and I think Sox do too, so it would be nice to get Foulke into the swing of things especially if one of our other guys goes down or starts sucking out (Wells, anybody)

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Nixon as center fielder = shoots self in head

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Begin the thawing of Steve Lyons!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Nixon spelled Damon in CF a few times! Of course, when they got Gabby, he became the defacto CF whenever Damon's hair acted up. I'm guessing Sterno will get a chance to shine. Tho just slotting in Pena might work. Move Loretta up to the leadoff spot, stick Youk in the 2 hole ... oh, the fun to be had w/ Manny & Wily side by side. Make it so, Tito!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 April 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

If Foulke is healthy (as he seems to be), is Papelbon still the closer?

depends if he's effective or not. they'll give him an opportunity but i wouldn't be surprised if they're quick with the hook and make him the world's highest paid set up man.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:09 (twenty years ago)

it sounded like they were just keeping stern up for rule 5 purposes but would send him down when a year is up so they can recall willie "mays hayes" harris.

yeah, the sox have an excess of outfielders and willie can play a little 2nd in addition to being able to swipe a bag. is coco going on the dl? the globe says he might be gone a month. if that's so will crisp go to the dl, keep stern on the roster and brign up willie anyway?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I thought Foulke's velocity these days is closer to Jamie Moyer's than to what he used to throw?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah i heard he's topping out at around 87 with no movement.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

maybe he can join burger king's pro-am squad

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

So gauche, Tracer.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Maybe "Pros vs Joes" needs a new castmember?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Game 6 of the 1986 World Series as re-enacted by RBI Baseball:

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/baseball/game-6-rbi-baseball-style-166188.php

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

great stuff, but too bad the ball does go into left field, it's the only thing wrong w/it

i just realized that i've always thought it was schiraldi who threw the ball away in game 6, but i guess it was the steamer?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

it was steamer.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

yay!

"The Red Sox announced a four-year contract extension for David Ortiz today. It runs through 2010, with an option for 2011. Terms were not immediately announced."

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Game 6 of the 1986 World Series as re-enacted by RBI Baseball:

THIS IS AWESOME! Seriously, my heart was pounding during Mookie's AB. Although it's a bit cruel to post this on the Red Sox thread instead of the Mets one.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

a wee little E-3

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Anyone mind if I kinda fart on the Ortiz extension news? Paying $10-$12M for a DH's DH heading into his 30s (even one as good & snuggly as Big Papi) seems to be asking for it.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 April 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Maybe his body will hold up for longer (compared to, say, Thome) because he rarely plays in the field?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I know Thome's been killing the ball this season, but my point is that you don't want to pay 12M/season for a guy with a questionable bill of health.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps. Also, it'll help if folks batting behind him hit HRs so he can trot around the bases instead of run.

[x-post]

The fact that Papi's Fenway tenure has been (to my knowledge) owie-free makes me fear some debilitating wrist injury that'll of course strike right after he crosses his T on this contract. Because, y'know, I'm a Red Sox fan.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Paying $10-$12M for a DH's DH heading into his 30s (even one as good & snuggly as Big Papi) seems to be asking for it.

after the shit-storm that surrounded losing damon, mueller, martinez, etc. and with manny probably going away when his deal is done the sox really weren't in a place to low ball their most popular (and productive) player.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

There was a shitstorm when Mueller left? I think that was more of a light shitdrizzle. Certainly nothing compared to Damon and Pedro.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

There was a shitstorm when Mueller left? I think that was more of a light shitdrizzle. Certainly nothing compared to Damon and Pedro.

yeah, i meant more of a collective storm. a fecal weather pattern if you will. plus trot will be gone too, none of the dirtdogs will be around anymore.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Shit storm, Schmidt storm. Every move they didn't make (re: resigning folks from the '04 team) is justifiable - Pedro wanted too much for too long, Damon's ready to fall apart / sing backup for Audioslave, Mueller's an injury risk & 35! For the record, I was also on the "meh" side re: V-Tek's extension, which might still bear meh fruit next year or the year after (tho I hope not, obviously).

The way I see it, TheoCo should err on the side of letting the vets walk in lieu of paying too much for an expected decline. Of course, if there are two guys that'd raise fan's ire should they (have) walk(ed), it'd be Varitek & Papi, so bringing them back is an acceptable cost of business. Trot and his gimptastic ways can squat, tho, even if - hell, especially if - this year ends up like his 2003 did.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

i'm not convinced that $10-12M will be far beyond market rate for ortiz even with a decline. assuming the wheels don't come off the truck all at once, a la jim ed rice or mo vaughn.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Although it's a bit cruel to post this on the Red Sox thread instead of the Mets one.

Yeah but what fun would that have been?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 April 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

Some choice Ortiz quotes from the press conference:

"You have a lot of people coming right at you when you are on the market. I feel great playing in Boston. I feel like this is my house. I want to protect my house. I like to put everything I have out there every single day. I thank the Red Sox for doing this while they still have control of me."

"You need to know that there are guys that have your back. When guys have your back, you can have the best come out of one player. In Boston, you have so many people behind you that support you. There is no way you walk onto the field and you don’t feel like playing baseball. Wait ‘til you play your first game at Fenway Park, you may need a diaper."

― d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

ortiz is such a marquee player now that even if he declines and they want to deal him, some yokel will want to pick up his contract, i think it's win-win

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Game 6 of the 1986 World Series as re-enacted by RBI Baseball

this is so cool, thanks. but what about the smoke bombs + parachuter?

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Monday, 10 April 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

the fan man?

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Paying $12million a year for a hitter like Papi does not seem excessive to me--even if I didn't have the emotional attachment. Dude's 30 now. Having him til he's 35 sounds just about right, and there's no way you're doing that for less than 12/year.

― gooblar (gooblar), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Xpost--the parachuter's arrival was absolutely one of my fondest childhood memories. wikipedia makes no mention of the WS in the "Fan Man" entry. Same guy?

― gooblar (gooblar), Monday, 10 April 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Papi's age-related decline will be mitigated by the fact that his shape can't get too much worse than it is currently.

― c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

I.e. the rationale used to argue that Rod Beck would continue to be an ace closer into his late-30s.

― c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that dude wasn't THE "fan man", but i gourp those sort of antics together.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 10 April 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

the parachuter was michael sergio.

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Josh - how about another pitch in the first inning, yo?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Rooting for the Jays is stressful enough, but I also have four fantasy team players involved in this game, including Josh Towers and his 10.50 lifetime ERA pitching in Fenway Park (if he gets rocked then I only have myself to blame, but I could really use the GS and some IP right now).

I hate/love these real life + fantasy league conflict games!

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

You watching this right now?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm following the live boxscore on my computer.

Walk to Trot Nixon. Con: Josh Towers hardly ever walks people. Pro: Trot Nixon is on my team.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

3-1 Sox. SHIT!

Pro: Jason Veritek and Trot Nixon both scored.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh damn the Greek god of leadoff!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

christ, 80 pitches in 2 innings! "battlin," baby

yeah, this youk batting lead-off thing could work out, ya think?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Ideal outcome: Towers hangs around for five innings while the Jays claw back to take a 5-4 lead, then the hitters for both teams get slap happy and the Jays win 11-10 without ever giving up the lead. FIN.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

well, that is a classic red sox linescore

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Not so much for the J's tho.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Ha - Beckett chucks 36 pitches in the first inning, & is just now nearing 80 in the 5th. Way to work the count, BJs!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

He's actually up to 90 through five, or 54 pitches from innings 2-5. Not too bad on the Jays part -- considering they're not getting any hits off Beckett.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

So did Trotsky get hurt? Or did he irk Tito? Or did Pena put himself in unbeknownst to anyone?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

"Or did Pena put himself in unbeknownst to anyone?"

-is there anyone that could physically stop him except maybe papi? (i presume manny would just shrug his shoulders and walk away)

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Uh-oh - Trot w/ the g-g-groin injury (strain, that is) = MO WILY!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

and they just called up trusty dustan mohr, too, a perfectly chromulant replacement for coco crisp.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

actually, foulke might be lucky just to get a job at burger king full stop.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

massive boner.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

I love watching Wells pitch.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

5-0 in one-run games! 3-0 versus the M's! Oh, the correction is gonna smart.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 April 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

how soon until they change this?

"Notes:@ It was Ortiz's 21st career two-homer game, his 19th with the Red Sox. Also, the homer was his 500th hit with Boston. ... RF Nixon returned to the lineup after missing the previous five games with a strained left groin. ... DiNardo's other start came last Sept. 2 against Baltimore, when he allowed four runs -- one earned -- in six innings. ... Varitek appeared to be hobbling running down the line on his ground outs in the second and fourth, but played the entire game. ... It was the Mariners' earliest-ever game, with an 11:07 first pitch. ... Red Sox SS Alex Gonzalez had the day off."

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 17 April 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Isn't that plainly "Ortiz's 500th basehit with Boston," not 500th HR hit with them...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 April 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Yep and that's also correct - he had 484 coming into the season.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 April 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

if it said the homer was his 500th basehit with boston that would be plain to see but as it was worded it would appear that the homer was the 500th he had hit with boston.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 17 April 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Subtle!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 April 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

subtleties are often lost on the mildly retarded (such as yours truly).

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 17 April 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

5-0 in one-run games! 3-0 versus the M's! Oh, the correction is gonna smart.

I'm still waiting for teh CHiSox correction from last year

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 17 April 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

The ChiSox are 1-2 this year in ORGs, so far.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

THIS YEAR IS THIS YEAR LAST YEAR IS LAST YEAR

― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I mean i know they're just killin it these days but DAMN DO I LOVE THIS TEAM!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 23:26 (twenty years ago)

How many PAs will the Greek God of SABR get this year?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

At least 450, the way things are looking right now. &, if Lowell keeps getting to 2nd base w/ the Green Monster like he's been, he'll be getting those PAs @ 1st.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

I mean folks, really... '04 meets '86... to wit: once we get Foulke kinda sorta on track he will provide the wrenching ninth innings that real Red Sox teams have historically provided; an over-the-hill backup first baseman with very bad wheels; young, hungry up-and-comers in all corners of the park; the stalwarts still in place (tho I do miss Mueller). And of course the longer Johnny's gone the more we're all glad. And Beckett putting up Pedro-like innings. I think we are primed and ready for a very successful run at gargantuan disappointment, gentlemen.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I think we are primed and ready for a very successful run at gargantuan disappointment, gentlemen.

could very well be but it doesn't have the same feeling as it did pre-2004 does it? it's not a "they did it again dammit and they'll never do it and i'll be a sucker forever" feeling to it, i think it will be more of a "they didn't do it this year" type of thing. even if it is a total collapse.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

In the SI article naming the Red Sox sportsmen of the year for 2004, they refer to a couple who named their first child (born the day of WS Game 4) Damon. Think they're regretting it now?

Should have named him Papi.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

my sister and her husband are expecting their first kid this summer, they know it's going to be a boy but have yet to settle on a name. when refering to the as yet unborn kid they call him "papi".

which is better than when they were calling him "geddy lee".

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

best name: green monster

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 April 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/04/22/4LSaLoKB.jpg

copy/paste into WMP: mms://a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2006/open/tp/archive04/042206_bostor_papelbon_mohawk_tp_350.wmv

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Every article just says "he has a new do" but I have to assume his teammates did that to him in some liquor-fueled borderline homophilic locker room ritual??

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

1-1 since the do! GO SOX!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Apparently he did that because he won a bet!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Rookies.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. Did they make a card for him yet?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:29 (twenty years ago)

from today's globe:

April 27, 2006
Hansen promoted
By Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff
The Red Sox today promoted relief pitcher Craig Hansen from Double-A Portland to Triple-A Pawtucket and sent reliever Charlie Zink from Pawtucket to Portland.

The 22-year-old Hansen has been dominant for the Sea Dogs, going 1-0 with a 0.82 ERA in 5 games for Portland to begin his first full year in pro ball since being selected by the Red Sox in the first round of the 2005 draft.

According the Globe's Gordon Edes, Hansen is expected to arrive in Pawtucket in time for tomorrow's game, and is expected to pitch three innings of relief.

He was unscored upon in his first 20 1/3 innings for Portland (a franchise record) from last Aug. 11 until April 24. Hansen allowed his first minor league run in 23 1/3 innings on Monday night at Altoona during a three-inning relief stint.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Apparently Papelbon is in the 2006 Topps Heritage throwback packs.

Apparently there's a 2003 Bowman Chrome Draft card?? I'd imagine this would be the "Clemens traded set" equiv.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

http://members.cox.net/rpastore5/papelbon%20GOLD%20rookie.jpg

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

There's also a 2005 "eTopps" Papelbon.

And there you go.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Josh Beckett was terrible last night and he blew the game over thinking those first at bats against Hafner and Martinez. The guy took 30 minutes to pitch around those guys and walk them, then gives Broussard a taco batting pitch next up. Beckett completely over thought his way out of the game and Veritek was being completely Carlton Fisk like for letting his pitcher slow everything to a crawl.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 28 April 2006 08:05 (twenty years ago)

"a taco batting pitch"?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:01 (twenty years ago)

taco BAITING, perhaps?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

haha, did you catch a glimpse of Beckett screaming to the sky as the granny sailed?

The 5:1 ratio of Red Sox to Mets discussion around here is discouraging, given the ALLEGED number of Mets fans.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

make that # of ALLEGED Mf's

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

oh i think there are plenty of motherfuckers around here

― gear (gear), Friday, 28 April 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

josh bard's reign of terror reportedly over...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/05/mirabelli_back_.html

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 1 May 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

What, after only 15 passed balls? Come on!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 14:29 (twenty years ago)

whoa!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 1 May 2006 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Does this mean we get Loretta back? :/

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 1 May 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Ha - maybe you'll get A-Gonz!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Plz send us Wily Mo Erra.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:06 (twenty years ago)

FREE HEE SEOP! Move Loretta to SS, put Lowell @ 2B, stick Youk back @ 3B, and watch the balls fly (into the stands) (and through their legs)!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

We got Bard and a prospect. :/

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Cla Meredith! Cla can pla!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Also, lest we forget: SIX HOURS TILL YANKEES RED SOX RESUME RIBALDRY OF AGES OMG CUE RUSSELL CROWE CLIPS AND JOHN WILLIAMS SCORE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

RUMBLE IN THE BRONX XXXVII: THIS TIME IT'S SHORN

― maura (maura), Monday, 1 May 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

and it's in boston, too?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 1 May 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

That makes this Rumble in the Bronx extraspecial!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

that street shall be renamed Yankee Way.

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Monday, 1 May 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Game Notes 
 
NEW YORK'S JOHNNY DAMON RECEIVED CHILLY RECEPTION IN AT-BAT AT THE TOP OF THE FIRST INNING.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 1 May 2006 22:44 (twenty years ago)

i was practically cackling with glee when the crowd started chanting his name at the end. he looked like he was gonna cry lol

― IT'S NOT CALLED GYM-NICE-STICS (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:26 (twenty years ago)

it's gonna be a long year for the former caveman.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:31 (twenty years ago)

Before the game, Damon, who spent the past four seasons with Boston, said, "I'm just really excited about taking the field" and he wasn't nervous.

The boos lasted 30 seconds when he stepped into the batter's box to lead off the game before taking off his helmet and waving it to the crowd as the cheers and applause increased.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060501/capt.bxf10205012135.yankees_red_sox_baseball_bxf102.jpg

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

http://yankeessuckgear.com/shirt%20pics/RedMilkFront.JPG

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Hey, my radio is broken and I don't have cable, My husband and sons are at the Sox-Blue Jays game at Fenway. What's the score? Is anyone out there on the grid?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 5 May 2006 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I found out.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:00 (twenty years ago)

Love this line in the box score from last night's game:

Wily Mo Pena RF-CF-LF

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

The LF fans (what was left of them in the 9th inning that is) were getting on Wily last night, he seemed to delight in the attention.

Yankee stadium was probably emptier in the 9th than it was at 5:30.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

that Manny stick-up-the-glove catch was LOL last night.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

what happened, i didn't see it. baseball season is when i really miss having cable.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

He ran Mannylike after a liner over his head, stuck the glove up without really looking and caught it. Very Bad News Bears.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

just manny being manny.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

So in Philly what's it going to be, Youk or Lowell at 3rd? I'm going to see the Sunday game, unfortunately stuck w/"Lenny DiNardo" on the hill but I'm still pretty excited! It's a tight race.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

DiNardo = teh suck
Alvarez = teh suck
Seanez = teh suck
Tavarez = teh suck

I think I see a pattern... aside from Tek and A-Gon's (and Manny's??) total inability to get a base hit.

um can we please talk about why Tito batted MIRABELLI in place of Manny in a crucial spot of Sunday's game??????? what was amazing is that the Sox never quite felt out of it, and they put lots of guys on in the 8th and 9th but i think Tito kind of out-managed himself - the NL style of play eludes him. we could have brought in Papi to pinch for Cora in the 8th, but then who would play the infield? so Papi had to wait until the 9th and become a baserunner rather than bringing anybody home.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:06 (twenty years ago)

(actually Seanez wasn't that bad)

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Meh. Two out of three works for me. Tho DiNardo is teh suck. As is the one remaining A-Gonz. Maybe Coco can play SS when he returns, so Wily Mo can remain in the OF? Maybe Wily Mo can play SS? Maybe the D-Rays can trade the Sox Scott Kazmir?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:25 (twenty years ago)

i'd settle for getting kazmir out of the AL.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Wily Mo was TERRIBLE in center.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

We might be able to get some Boston brah to kick the crap out of Rick "Ten Minutes" Peterson.

xpost - that's why he shd play SS! :p

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, Mirabelli pinching for Manny ... WTF. Manny was so cold, maybe Tito was trying to er, shake things up, uh.. *grasps at straws*

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 22 May 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)

I generally don't delight in injuries, but will make an exception for the Gouty Blowhard.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I think most Sox fans don't mind either. The dude talks more about the Yankees than he does about his own team.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for Josh Bard, by the way.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Boston had to make up for Dennis Tankersley somehow.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Matt Clement, what's on your IPOD?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

As long as all our starters go at least seven innings we're in great, great shape.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:02 (twenty years ago)

OK I'm going to try to stop jinxing shit over here.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

dudes, David "Fivehead" Pauley

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

pitches like David "Jane" Pauley

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

forehead bigger than Rocky Dennis

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Getting owned by Rogers hurts, no matter what happens at this point (going into the eighth)

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:30 (twenty years ago)

Gah - might Casey.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:38 (twenty years ago)

mighTY.

This Detroit pitching is a brick house!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

CAN I GET A WHAT WHAT?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 June 2006 01:11 (twenty years ago)

"I call it a Bellhorn day," Youkilis said. "Mark was the best at that. Three [bad] at-bats then boom, home run to win a game."

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 June 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Do. Not. Test. Manny's. Arm.

― gooblar (gooblar), Sunday, 4 June 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

JOSH BECKETT LADIES AND GERMS! Don't mind the homers.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 5 June 2006 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Not watching on TV but if I was the camera director I'd cut to Tito a LOT. John Sterling says not a cheap one in the bunch. keeeerist.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 June 2006 23:12 (twenty years ago)

FUCK yeah eat a BAG OF DICKS, Francoeur.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 June 2006 03:29 (twenty years ago)

Theo let go of Snow!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/mlbnews.asp?articleID=168800

The Giants will probably get him back.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 19 June 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Remind me: was Snow willing to be a bench player if he stayed in SF?

― c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 19 June 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

I think Boston offered him more cash.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 19 June 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Myy dad and I had an uncomfortable bottom of the eighth yesterday after berating Francona for throwing Seanez instead of Timlin an inning earlier. Ulp. We got nobody, man.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 June 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Their starter today looks like a real piece of work.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

The Bionic Man just recorded his first out.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

So what is Hee-Seop Choi doing now? Is he even in baseball any more?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

He's currently hitting the cover off the ball for Pawtucket if I'm not mistaken.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

With Snow gone maybe he comes up?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

I hope he gets a chance somewhere before he's too old to contribute.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Choi biding his time wisely
Hee-Seop Choi, a big-leaguer last season, has had fun with the PawSox instead of griping.
01:00 AM EDT on Monday, May 15, 2006
BY SHALISE MANZA YOUNG
Journal Sports Writer

PAWTUCKET -- Hee-Seop Choi is watching what's going on in Boston, but he doesn't seem too worried about how it is affecting him.

Claimed off waivers by Boston during spring training, the 27-year-old first baseman was brought into the Red Sox organization despite there already being two first basemen on the big-league roster: Kevin Youkilis and J.T. Snow.

When the team acquired Choi, Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein said the team had been tracking the 6-foot-4 lefty for some time and was impressed with his "power, patience and hands at first base."

But Choi still had options, and Boston quickly made the most of that fact. After suffering a left hamstring strain before the end of spring training, Choi remained in Fort Myers, then came to Pawtucket for a 20-day rehab assignment. But when the 20 days were complete, Choi was recalled to Boston and optioned back to Pawtucket on the same day.

Choi, the first Korean-born position player in MLB history, spent the last two seasons with the Dodgers, but became expendable when the team signed former Sox star Nomar Garciaparra.

In 133 games with Los Angeles last year, Choi hit .253 with 15 homers, 42 RBI and had an on-base mark of .336.

With Youkilis playing so well, both offensively and defensively, Snow is barely getting any playing time, which leaves little need for Choi in Boston right now.

Choi is taking it in stride.

"It's tough because they have two first baseman with 'Youk' and Snow, and Youkilis is playing very well," Choi said. "If I go up, I can't play every day. But here, I can play every day. I'm just working hard here and having fun."

PawSox manager Ron Johnson said Choi has not said a word about his situation.

"I don't get into situations and what they might have told him," Johnson said. "He's fun to be around and he's a great teammate. I know they think a lot of him in Boston. He's a big-time professional; he comes in here every day ready."

In four major league seasons -- he began his career with the Cubs, and has also been with the Marlins Choi has a .240 career batting average and a .349 on-base percentage.

But he has shown remarkable patience this season: through 26 games with Pawtucket, Choi is batting .259, but his on-base mark of .439 is third in the International League.

"Sometimes I try (too) hard to hit it hard," Choi said. "But now I am trying to swing at good pitches. I know how pitchers throw to me. I like walks -- they are the same as a hit."
Choi has 20 strikeouts, but he has drawn 27 walks.

"From what I see, he's a very well-disciplined hitter; he has good strike-zone management. He has a good idea of what's a strike and what's not," Johnson said. "When he came up, he hit alley to alley, and from what I've heard, other clubs were trying to get him to pull the ball. That was one of the focuses when he came here -- to get him back to the hitter he used to be."

[email protected] / (401) 277-7340

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:14 (twenty years ago)

Woops, he's hitting .227.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:25 (twenty years ago)

so, the sawx really don't have anyone better in the system than kyle snyder and jason johnson? i find that hard to believe, but i still say, take my bruce chen, puhleeze!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Choi has 20 strikeouts, but he has drawn 27 walks.
...
Woops, he's hitting .227

he can fill that crucial bellhorn role.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 23 June 2006 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Damn, I am doing on my initial Seattle-SABR activities while Pedro is facing the Sox Wednesday. Will the Globe have a special section on this monumental event?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Will the Globe have a special section on this monumental event?

special 17 page all dan shaughnessy pull out section, no doubt.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 23 June 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

A contest, via CSTB:

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/archives/2006/06/think_you_can_be_shaughnessy.php

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 June 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I don't envy Boston sportswriters. What can one even say, any more, about David Ortiz? Last week the Globe was already reaching the end of the line on superlatives - "ORTIZ IS BE-ALL, END-ALL"

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 10:28 (twenty years ago)

I wish Ortiz played for another team (like, say, the Twins) so that I could root for him without feeling dirty.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:53 (twenty years ago)

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

If the Twins & Tom Kelly weren't deadset on keeping players under the age of 30 in the minors / on the bench back when they had Big Papi (or, um, every year for the past 15 up until this one), they might still have him.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 12:15 (twenty years ago)

Ortiz only had one great season as a Twin, his power didn't show up until he went to Boston, changed his name, and gained 30# of muscle.

http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/david-ortiz-ultra.jpg

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:24 (twenty years ago)

i wouldn't say the power showed up in boston, the at bats surely did. he showed some pop in limited action in minnesota. at least his head stayed the same size.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:29 (twenty years ago)

The great thing about that card is it showed that Ortiz was scouted as an OF!

YEARTEAM	AB/HR	IsoP
1997	Min	49.0	0.122
1998	Min	30.9	0.169
1999	Min	20.0	0.000
2000	Min	41.5	0.164
2001	Min	16.8	0.241
2002	Min	20.6	0.228
2003	Bos	14.5	0.304
2004	Bos	14.2	0.302
2005	Bos	12.8	0.304
2006	Bos	12.6	0.284

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Otto OTM - Ortiz was platooned in Minnesota (and, actually, for about 1-2 months in Boston).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:40 (twenty years ago)

think what would've happened if jeremy giambi hadn't been hurt!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Alex Gonzalez would be hitting .340 with 25 homers?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

papi would've languished on the bench. he got beat out by giambi coming out of florida his first year in boston, it wasn't until he took over and started playing everyday that he came around.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry, but what is IsoP?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

International Shack of Pancakes

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

IsoP = SLG - BA.

It's a measure of XBH (ie "power").

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Although the argument here is whether a one-tool player's ability to hit XBHs is dependent on his PT (aka the "clutch groove").

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't watch NESN often, but are the commentators always as hideously boring as they were tonight? There were moments, even when they were calling exciting plays, that felt like they were about to fall asleep.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Ortiz's slugging steadily increased from his early 20s until his 29th, with a drop this year as a 30-year old. That's a fairly standard peak progression.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Aw don't hate on the Rem-Dog.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 10:12 (twenty years ago)

Don Orsillo is boredom on a Ritz (COME BACK SEAN MCDONOUGH), but the Remdawg is awesome (as an analyst, and as a brah).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 12:09 (twenty years ago)

re-animate ned martin!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

Compare to the radio announcers Joe Castiglione and Jerry Trupiano, who try to make every play, routine or not, sound incredibly thrilling. Watching the game with the radio on is quite edifying to see a dribbled foul ball described as a shot that just went foul. And oh those adventurous fly balls! Last night when he was calling the Millidge gaffe I thought it was just hyperbole until the ball fell.

Remy has a tendency to let him focus drift during blowouts, which is usually entertaining. Plus that's when he kicks it into self-promotion overdrive. I think Orsillo got hired only because he genuinely finds Rem-Dawg's jokes funny.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Whatever you think of those two, they're the Starlite Express compared with the cadavers on the radio, who sound as though they're broadcasting from deep within an abandoned mineshaft, eating hard tack and old peas until someone comes to rescue them (NB: no one is coming to rescue them).

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

When the Red Sox allow a run, the radio guys sound like someone ran over a puppy with their car.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

joe castiglione and jerry trupiano are ACES!!! trupiano's weird-ass inflections are perfect for radio. listening to joe castiglione call a game during john "wayback" wasdin's reign of terror was a sheer delight.

"it's back, back, WAAAAAAAY back annnnnnnnnnnnnd- GONE!"

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I'm just so used to the Mets announcer (Gary Cohen/the late Bob Murphy) being, you know, excited about something, anything in the game.

I haven't heard the Boston radio guys.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Oh - and when the Yankees take a lead in a game, the Red Sox radio guys turn on Dashboard Confessional and talk about their feelings.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

lol@pedro

― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 23:12 (twenty years ago)

"JOSH BECKETT LADIES AND GERMS! Don't mind the homers."

lolllllllll

― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Monday, 3 July 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

Kazmir the Mysterious!

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

from the maniacl one, bosox stats at mid-season.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Man Beckett has really fallen apart in the AL hasn't he?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 14 July 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

even though he didn't make the All-Star team, they should've had him pitch for the homerun derby.

― BUTT LIKE A HOLE, BLACK AS UR SOUL (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 15 July 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

this is some sweet stuff

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

...scoring 2 runs in 2 games off KC at home?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

and winning. that is sweet.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Bless you, Kansas City.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

KC is the seratonin reuptake inhibitor of the American League.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 20 July 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

i mean really. i am not worried about the red sock offense. at all. it's the pitching that gives me the heebie-jeebies. so holding ANY team to no runs is awesome.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Kansas City's holding themselves down, tho Beckett not giving up 20 HRs against them was a pleasant surprise.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

beckett only gives up dingers on the road.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 21 July 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

TINSTACH:

There Is No Such Thing As Clutch Hitting

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

jesus christ i cannot believe it. i stayed up til 3:30am london time to watch this game finish.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

the only time i've seen ortiz in person was in philadelphia - the only game the red sox lost to the NL all year, a mismanaged, poorly pitched fuckfest of a game that saw dinardo, seanez and tavarez all blow it on the mound, wily mo drop the ball - just a mess. ortiz got brought in as a pinch hitter (he had to sit earlier - no DH) and blasted one very very long foul down towards where i was sitting, deep along the right field line. he grounded out eventually i think. in any case i had never noticed before that day how kinda trim the guy is! i mean, relative to how he looks on TV, or in your mind's eye. he's not the sta-puf marshmallow man.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

Choi got DFA'd. :(

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

What were his PawSox stats?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

.207/.347/.361, 8 HRs w/ a 47BB:56K ratio.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

#6 on the team in OBP.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

I've never been sure, but what constitutes a "good" OBP? What's the OBP equivalent of .300 BA?

― c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

From BP Basics:

Generally speaking, if a player today puts up a .360 OBP and .500 SLG, he's doing his job. If he's a shortstop in Dodger Stadium with these numbers (and with an ample number of plate appearances, of course), he's an MVP candidate; if he's a first baseman in Denver with these numbers, he's nothing special.

Bill James once wrote that OBP is the single most important batting stat because it measures the tendency of a batter to avoid making an out.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

w/r/t to Hee Seop Choi, he obviously has a keen eye... I feel bad for him because it doesn't seem (AFAIK) like anybody's ever given him a starting job (or 200 consecutive ABs... or both).

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've read Moneyball, thanks!

xpost

― c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

The overall AL BA/OBP last year was .268/.330, the low end of top 10 BAs was about .305, the low end of Top 10 OBPs was .375.

So I would say that if OBP ever got accepted as the New BA for announcers, .300 would equal like .375-.380ish, maybe?

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

I trace Hee Seop's misfortune back to Crime Dog's pointless pursuit of the 500 HR milestone at the end of 2002; a season nearly as lost as this one. Hee Seop could've had two months to hit major league pitching, instead he got 50 AB.

Cracking his brain open against the Yankees the next year didn't help either.

― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

he obviously has a keen eye...

yes the bb:K ratio displays it. the guy can't hit AAA pitching, he's afd.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

He's just too selective. LOWER YOUR STANDARDS HEE-SEOP!!!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Gotta be AGRESSIVE

― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

gotta at least be in the top half of the starting 9 of your AAA team in an offensive category to make it back to the next level.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Will Carroll:

Some Sox fans might be asking themselves why Varitek needs surgery when Manny Ramirez's similar injury allows him to play. I'd simply point out that Ramirez isn't squatting for nine innings almost every day. This should have little or no impact on Varitek when he returns, short- or long-term.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I understand Choi's lack of promotion, but why wait until after the trade deadline to DFA?

Choi should just go to Japan like Seung Yeop Lee (the other guy who beat up on Team USA and Team Japan in the WBC). The Sox are only paying him $725k, he could make double that in Japan.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

So how many times are the hitters (and/or the other team's lackluster pen) going to bail out the BoSox pitching staff?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 August 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

as many as it takes, hopefully.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 3 August 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

NY sports writers currently feelin their oats; saying this is the moment when the Red Sox should just go ahead and forfeit the rest of the season to the Team Of Destiny.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 August 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

But now they've got Javy Lopez!

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 August 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he can help Josh Beckett not to give up teh game-losing homers, once in a while.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 3 August 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

Y'know what, screw Varitek. Dude's been bad all season, and has been one of the most overrated players around for years. If Lopez is even halfway decent over the next month, the job should be his for the rest of the season. Of course they'd never do that to their precious little captain.

I like the Sox, but the love up here for this mediocre, boring old white guy mystifies me. But then I also think Schilling's a massive tool, too, so what do I know.

― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Varitek's been very solid w/ the bat, and while it's hard to really measure his value wrt working w/ pitchers, his ridonkulous work ethic is a matter of public record (tho whether it's extraordinary, or run of the mill, I dunno). He, unfortunately, thanx to the press and the C, is now the Jeter of the Red Sox, wherein everyone around the team polishes his shaft, and naysayers roger him w/ a stick of bees.

Mike Timlin, you are getting a vote of NO CONFIDENCE. Also, yeah, Beckett, enuf taters - try a starch-free diet, bro.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

from what i hear varitek gets the c because he's the only guy who can regulate the clubhouse, the religious right of timlin and nixon to the "idiots" of yore, they all listened to him. The sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads - they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 4 August 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think anyone would argue that Schilling isn't a tool, but the dude has had a hell of a year.

beckett is public enemy no. 1 in boston rn :(

― BUJU DANSON (Adrian Langston), Friday, 4 August 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

A 5.00 ERA and a HR allowed total that would rank in the top ten for HRs HIT will do that to a bro.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 August 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

bosox luvvin' friend sez: "i will personally kill beckett for a nickle"

― BUJU DANSON (Adrian Langston), Friday, 4 August 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand the Varitek hate. He's had a poor season, but he's been very valuable over the years in a measurable way, not to mention whatever intangibles he may or may not bring to the table.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 4 August 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

He's been valuable for three seasons after being bad for several more and then they signed him to a ridiculous (almost Lopez-like) contract for his old age while the Sox let Pedro (and Damon, but I didn't really care) go for similar money.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 4 August 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that part was a bit inexplicable. Then again, no one wants to be publicly hanged, as would probably have happened to Epstein if they got rid of Varitek. But that doesn't change the fact that they can afford him and he deserves to stay with the team until he is no longer of value. Anyway, they probably will be able to ditch him to a Ned Coletti or Brian Sabean once he really becomes worthless.

The fact that they should have kept Pedro is another (undeniable) matter altogether.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 4 August 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, Sabean only picks up completely middling players who've never been stars.

― c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, Vizquel is about as close as you can get to Varitek among shortstops. Not a superstar, but beloved by the locals and effective on offense.

Matheny is pretty much the NL version of Varitek, apart from the fact that he hits like Neifi Perez.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Which is kind of like saying Muggsy Bogues is like Magic Johnson, except for the offense.

― c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 4 August 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Mike Matheny (pre-injury) ---> .231
Jason Varitek (pre-injury) ---> .243

Neifi Perez ---> .274

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 4 August 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, I love percentages!

Varitek: .331
Matheny: .276
Perez: .265

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 4 August 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox would probably be better off with Matheny. He's not that much worse with a bat than 2006 Lopez, supposedly is an above-average defender and costs a lot less.

The Lopez deal is odd, really - there's no one in the Red Sox farm system that could put up a .315/.400 OBP/SLG for a couple of months?

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 4 August 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno dude. Saying Beckett is public enemy #1 is severely underestimating the level of loathing people have for the bullpen up here. Local barfly "Paulie" at the place I've been watching games never refers to Julian Tavarez as anything other than "that motherfucker."

Also, re Red Sox catching depth: with Shoppach and Bard both traded, the options are Ken Huckaby and Corky Miller, and nothing else. If all it cost was Adam Stern or whoever, this was a genius trade. Lopez'll probably outhit Varitek by a mile AND play the JT Snow role in September. They probably would have put in for Chris Widger otherwise.

― d4niel coh3n (dayan), Friday, 4 August 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

(Not to say that Beckett hasn't earned that contempt. Just that 13 wins = PROVEN WINNER, don'tcha know.)

― d4niel coh3n (dayan), Friday, 4 August 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

For what it's worth, in limited appearances, Huckaby has actually hit pretty well for Boston... granted that he's been atrocious in Pawtucket.

Matheny is probably out for the year, so I don't think he's helping anyone anytime soon.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 4 August 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

aw polyphonic i thought i made a funny.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 4 August 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Your joke was too smart for me.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 5 August 2006 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

my joke was that, looking just at BA, Neifi Perez is by far the better player in 2006 than either varitek or matheny. i understand if you struggled with that intellectual mountain of humour.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Saturday, 5 August 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

humour

― BITCH FUK UR MYANMARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 5 August 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Jingo.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 5 August 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

I had a dream last night that Wily Mo Pena hit four home runs in a game.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 5 August 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

I had a dream last night that Francoeur somehow got out before seeing a single pitch.

My constantly expanding dislike for Varitek is a bit irrational, I know. Mostly it's due to how overzealously Sox fans seem to love the guy, and the fact that that love is based primarily on "intangibles" like clubhouse leadership, game-calling, etc. Those things may not be intangible to coaches and teammates, but since all fans have to go on in such matters are media reports, and the media up here have proven time and again to be willing to dish out whatever propaganda the owners desire, elevating the man to godhead in spite of his average/mediocre offensive abilities is kinda silly. Also he's way overpaid and they were idiots in letting Pedro walk and that little "c" looks bad from a design perspective, etc., etc. And finally it's annoying how he's treated like the heart, soul, AND brains of the team, whereas anyone should've been able to see that the first two-thirds of that equation were filled by the Dominican trio of Manny, Papi, and Pedro, the best third of which trio was allowed to walk and then smeared in the press.

Final summation: Red Sox fans seem to hate too many of their great players while celebrating too many of the mediocre ones.

― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Saturday, 5 August 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I really liked it when Paul Konerko refused to wear the C. The captain designation is annoying to me.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 5 August 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Boston Inning Summary
- J. Switzer relieved S. Camp
- D. Ortiz reached on bunt single to third

wtf?

― mattbot (mattbot), Sunday, 6 August 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

The Papi Shift?

― c('°c) (Leee), Sunday, 6 August 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

when no one is on base papi is laying down bunts against the shift, he swings away with men on. i have ike and tina from '71 covering the stones on my turntable right now or else i'd exapnd on th shift. THANK IKE AND TINA!!!#!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Sunday, 6 August 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

varitek = the only thing holding our bellpen together?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 6 August 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

that's the british spelling

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 6 August 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

time to stick a fork in these guys? timlin throws the offense under the bus last night while conveniently forgetting opponents are hitting .310 against the sox pitchers for the month.

can't buy a win, clubhouse dissent, outfielders dropping balls to lose games.... smells like a rotting husk of a ballclub to me.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Whither this clubhouse dissent?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

that would be tims placing the blame for last night on the sox offense. bonderman was lights out and the sox staff is allowing opponents to hit over .300 against them and the christian soldier puts the blame on the offense. the seeds are being sewn.

this club needs a spark in the worst way imaginable. something. anything. a brawl or something to make them wake the hell up.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Old Man Timmeh shd shut his God-fearing yap & not allow 2-3 baserunners per shitty inning he pitches.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

At least Hansen & Julian & Rudy keep mum when they blow close games or leads.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I hoped the Red Sox would have been ahead of the Yanks at this point, but I think with the Yankees activating Matsui, Sheffield, Cano and Dotel in the near future, there's gonna be a whole lot less of "Tessie" this October.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

i'd be interested to see what opposing batters have done to the sox pitchers since varitek went out, the recent slide into mediocrity (and that's really being generous) seems to have conincided with him going on the shelf.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

Varitek is the glass that keeps the drink from ending up all over the floor.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

I think this slide actually coincides w/ the Sox releasing Hee-Seop Choi!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

[also JT Snow]

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 17 August 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

sox are 14-14 since wakefield went on the ir. just sayin'.

also sox dealing for hinske = bye bye trot.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

courting the jews

The red T-shirt Kapler wore under his uniform said ``Red Sox" in Hebrew. ``The community relations girls got it for me today," he said.

http://www.yawkeywaystore.com/images/products/TA0604.gif

― SLUTSPIRIA (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

also sox dealing for hinske = bye bye trot.

I imagine the situation for trot after the season remains the same as it was before they got hinske: the sox will offer to re-sign him, but for a lot less money than he's looking for. If he really wants to stay in Boston, he'll take the reduced contract.

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

He should get plenty of playtime time every-other month (as per Hinske's suck/not-really-suck schedule).

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 18 August 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

FIVE GAMES TO RULE THEM ALL

FIVE GAMES TO BIND THEM

FIVE GAMES FOR ESPN TO GET OVER THEIR DEAD ASSES

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Globe says Johnson's being demoted in between games, to make room for Foulke(!). Do you think Francona told JaJo before the game?

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oof. No pitching, no credibility.

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

WAY TO BLOW GUYS

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

i just saw the score, who blew up? mike "2 I's in" timlin? rudy? javier? delcarmen? i wanna focus my loathing on someone!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Synder, with a splash of Delcarmen.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget Johnson, who only gave up 3, but could only make it through 4 1/3, necessitating the likes of Snyder.

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

god, snyder, johnson... these guys are making me nostalgic for the days of chuck rainey and shag crawford.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

GUYS I'M LOVING THE DOUBLES I REALLY AM BUT COULD WE PLEASE START DRIVING THOSE GUYS IN? OKTHXBYE.

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Johnson gave up 4, and if i'm reading this right, this will be his 9th straight loss (after 2 no decisions, including one in which he actually pitched decently).

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

He's easily one of the worst starters in the league (in fact, did I hear right that he's got the worst winning percentage of active pitchers with a certain number of starts?).

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

For "starts", read "decisions".

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

If only Lima Time were still in effect...

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

From Eric Wilbur, Boy Genius:

"Jason Johnson has the worst winning percentage of any active pitcher with at least 50 wins."

Well at least he's got fifty wins.

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

- R. Cano singled to right
- R. Cano to second on fielder's indifference

WHAT THE

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

eric hinske!

― gear (gear), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

You're kidding.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

PS - please to allow the Yankees to score even more runs so as to lull them into a false sense of superiority.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe lol them into said sense

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

i have a mental image of hinske fielding the ball then, while watching cano take a wide turn at first, shrug his shoulders, cock his head to one side and say "eh" while lobbing the ball ephus-style back to the infield.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Two words give me at least some solace: Sidney Ponson.

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Some counting stats from last nite: the teams combined for 41 runs and 61 hits in 8:40 of baseball and there were 783 pitches thrown.

― mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 19 August 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

jesus, why didn't i watch that second game? it sounded EPIC

― SLUTSPIRIA (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 19 August 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

More like UGLY.

― g00blar (gooblar), Saturday, 19 August 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

EEEN FLOREEEDAH, YOO ARE YANQUI KILLERS, IN BOSTON, YANQUIS KEEEL YOO!

― Jimmy Mod: THE HANDLESS ORGANIST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 19 August 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Series like this is where people can build very convincing arguments on the disparity between both leagues.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 19 August 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think NL League pitching (aside from the Twins) is far better.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 19 August 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

shameful, wily mo

― mentalismé (sanskrit), Monday, 21 August 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

I tried to watch Game 2 Friday, but it was MEGA-TEDIOUS American League shit.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 August 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think NL League pitching (aside from the Twins) is far better.

i think NL hitting is just far inferior.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

You can tell that to the 52 bases on balls issued in this series so far (31 by the Red Sox).

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

I think:

a) the Red Sox bullpen is buttass
b) Tito's management of said bullpen is buttass (cf. bringing in "specialist" / two-way-threat Javy Lopez to walk a guy so Papelbon can earn his stripes)
c) Jeter's 9th inning hit has secured his reputation as Senor Clutch-A-Fist w/ all the sports bloviators
d) the Red Sox starting staff (outside of Schilling) is buttass
e) Pat Gillick & Dave Littlefield are dumb little turds
f) this series cannot end soon enough

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm one of the biggest Yank-haters out there, but I must admit I'm kind of enjoying this total devastation of a series!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 August 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

manny>>>big papi

― gear (gear), Monday, 21 August 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, where's Papi's clutchiness gone?

This thread illustrates why Toronto's era of dominance can't come soon enough.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 August 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

manny has done nothing but put up albert pujols-level seasons for the past decade and ortiz has been a little better than mo vaughn at the latter's peak (though i guess his highlight reel has been much more impressive).

― gear (gear), Monday, 21 August 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

What's wrong with Manny? T_T

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 21 August 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Hamstring cramp. He had an .850 OBP against the Yanks this past series.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 21 August 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

All that walking must've been to much for the poor fellow :/

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Massacre headlines locked in. Now perhaps some of you can pretend to be Mets fans for the remainder.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I will certainly root for the Mets over the goddamned Dodgers or Cardinals, that's for sure.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm one of the biggest Yank-haters out there, but I must admit I'm kind of enjoying this total devastation of a series!

I felt the same way watching the game last night. The Yanks were just working Red Sox pitchers.

― mattbot (mattbot), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed watching the Sox blow it with a man on second and no outs in the bottom of the ninth.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

And then the Giambi/Posada blasts in the 10th were like, hello, Aaron Boone nostalgia!

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_8.21_ssbullpen.jpg

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 21 August 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

You can tell that to the 52 bases on balls issued in this series so far (31 by the Red Sox).

or i could tell it to the cubs who can't hit, don't hit for power, nor draw walks.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 21 August 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

if they can't score a run off cory lidle, then they don't deserve to make the playoffs.

normally i'd sympathize a little since i hate the yanks, but then again they just won a world series, i hate curt schilling, i hate josh beckett, and i hate their dumbass arroyo for wily mo trade.

― gear (gear), Monday, 21 August 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

i'll miss them in the postseason
;(

― mentalismé (sanskrit), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

arroyo has been killing my fantasy team of late, whereas pena has been helping it.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

this team totally does not deserve to make the playoffs, nor will they despite my nightly prayers that they somehow ass their way in despite themselves.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

The Pena / Arroyo trade's gonna work out just fine for the Sox, assuming Wily learns one defense.

Can someone plz fire Bobby Ryang & the CBH? Those two tampons are responsible for approximately 75% of the shit that Red Sox Nation gets saddled with, and if those tards aren't calling for heads after a Yankee loss, then they're pulling out the KY for a preseason World Series anointy-nointy. And shit gets dull REAL fast.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

i was in a tiny beach town with no internet during all of this :(

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

i've got no problem with bob ryan the cbh.... just another bitter old new englander.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/BDD_sinkingsox.jpg

― SLUTSPIRIA (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

"manny has done nothing but put up albert pujols-level seasons for the past decade and ortiz has been a little better than mo vaughn at the latter's peak (though i guess his highlight reel has been much more impressive)."

haven't their numbers been identical the past couple years?

― SLUTSPIRIA (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

ps. enjoy your ~~AIDS~~ Mets, dickbags

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/MoVaughn.jpg

― SLUTSPIRIA (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

What's the situation with Manny's hammy? Is he gonna sit or play?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 24 August 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

moon over Manny's hammy

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Thursday, 24 August 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

omigod chb yesterday. He has the brain of an otter.

I actually don't mind Ryan on most days. Even if he's full of shit in his conclusions, he actually writes, and makes an attempt to understand things--whereas chb seems to just put on the blinders and look deep down in his 'reactionary place'.

― g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 25 August 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Let's see if we can sum up all the injuries:
Manny: patellar tendinitis
Varitek: torn meniscus in knee
Trot: strained right biceps
Ortiz: irregular heartbeat
Loretta: bruised right quad
A-Gonz: right oblique strain
Mirabelli: sprained left ankle
Wily Mo: tendinitis in left wrist
Youkilis: stomach flu
Lester: sore back
Beckett: cut on right middle finger
Wakefield: fractured rib
Foulke: sore back
Clement: right shoulder strain/sprained confidence

Oy.

― g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Arroyo: traded

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Is Youk going to continue to start in LF?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

He was comic yesterday. What a good Manny understudy he is.

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I think as long as Wily Mo and Manny aren't playin', Youk'll stay out there. They did just call up (Carlos) Pena, so there's another first baseman for you (i.e., maybe Loretta can go back to second).

― g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 28 August 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

ah, "fans" in the office who think Varitek is somehow the missing ingredient...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Javy Lopez is horrible with pitchers. I mean, remember how bad the Braves' pitching was from 1994 to 2003.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

"I think this slide actually coincides w/ the Sox releasing Hee-Seop Choi!"

the curse of the spurned korean

― SLUTSPIRIA (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

That's like the curse of the monkey hand, but with more middle fingers!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

They're done.

That looked like KC out there. Carlos Pena @ 1B? Don't even fucking try to justify why a DH needs a day of rest. No MVP vote for Ortiz. Youk's Left Field excursions looked like a drunk blind man waking up in a stranger's apartment. This poor kid they called up from Pawtucket (Garbage or something) threw 6 straight balls to start the game.

Foulke is essentially a BP guy now, he got raked for 5 XBHs in 2 innings including 3 HRs.

Uglay stuff dudes.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

Don't even fucking try to justify why a DH needs a day of rest.

an irregular heartbeat, perhaps?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

Haha okay fine that justifies it, but ONLY a little!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's not like he had a real heart attack or anything serious like that.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

They don't explain that at the game dudes!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

HIS HART IS TO BIG DO U C>?!?111

― Jimmy Mod: THE HANDLESS ORGANIST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

To quote a friend of mine:
me: "Wow the BoSox are on a real slide right now"
friend of me: "What do you think we traded them Hinske for?"

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Could Hinkse be a double agent? Izzat unwittingly or fully conscious of his mission?

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Unwittingly. Definitely unwittingly.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Q. What do you wear to bed? (from THE E$PN THE MAGAZINE)

"Underwear, and that's it. Nothing else. I like being cold in bed."
-Frank Catalanotto

"Sometimes I wear jeans. The first night on a road trip to Boston, I forgot to pack shorts, so I slept in jeans. Then the next day, I ended up going to the mall to pick up some shorts. And if I'm lying around the pool at home, I'll just fall asleep in my pool shorts. It drives my wife crazy."
-Eric Chavez

"Nothing. I can't sleep in underwear or T-shirts. I go to sleep butt naked."
-Kevin Millar

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox's collapse has been so momentous that I have to take Jeter's side in this flamewar:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2584168

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Hafner or Santana or even like Thome wins instead of either of those guys.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

dye or morneau

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

hopefully he'll lose a handful votes because of this idiotic statement

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

love this:

Damon said he thought Ortiz was a "shoo-in" for MVP last season, but lost out to Alex Rodriguez last year because being a DH hurt him with the voters.

but hey guys, isn't this the kind of craptastic "leader" schtick from jeter that sportswriters cream over?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox got thrashed by the Yankees, had more than a lineup's worth of injuries and plummeted out of contention... so for that reason, you're "taking Jeter's side" when he talks like a cock? I guess i don't follow the logic. Got to love Damon piling on, too. Those guys deserve each other. Now if we could only get Schilling over there, the guy's a born Yankee.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's just incredible the way Yankee fans react - and Yankees themselves - when someone - even Big Papi - has the EFFRONTERY to bring up the fact that the salary difference between the 2006 New York Yankees and the 2006 Boston Red Sox is approximately the entire payroll of the 2005 World Champion Chicago White Sox. It's like "BLA BLA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" - a total recoil reaction into defensive mode... "well... well... at least we're goin to the playoffs!" Yeah, exactly, Jeter, you jackass.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

my dream is a 14 year run of blue jays division crowds and a concurrent 14 year run of wild card winners emerging from the AL west or the AL central.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'd venture to say that this season the Yankees lineup suffered way more due to the injuries to their team than the Red Sox. The fact that the Red Sox really only played well this season during interleague play against the NL East was the reason Sox fans were even thinking they had a chance.

My thought (as evidenced above) was that by mid-August the Sox still hadn't surpassed the injury-decimated Yankees was the sign that they were done, even before the heart murmurs and sore knees and wheels falling off.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

i was hoping barry was just being facetious up there, tracer.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite factoid about the Yankees $$$ is that Florida (2nd in the NL WC race)'s entire team payroll is less than A-Rod's annual salary.

But at any rate, the Sox are #2 in payroll, my sympathy extends about as far as my freshly clipped cuticle. "We're not as evil as the really evil guys, we swear!!!"

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

also see: cashman making good moves and theo making a series of stupid blunders.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Steve, every night, even without Matsui and Sheffield, the Bombers come out to the plate like this:

Every night, even without Matsui and Sheffield, our pinstripers come out of the box this way:

Johnny Damon, $13 million.

Derek Jeter, $20.6 million.

Bobby Abreu, $13.6 million.

A-Rod, $25.7 million.

Giambi, $20.5 million.

As much as they've had to overcome this season, it's not like we're talking about The Little Engine That Could.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

gear otm. yeah, the yankees have lots of luxuries--including that of casting aside cashman's mistakes--but somehow they keep coming up with the canos and melkies and wangs and last year's smalls and chacons.

yeah i still hate the yankees, but it's not like they're doing a bad job of managment--it still takes a little thought, even with all that money.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

the "we have a right to bitch and moan about payrolls" hierarchy:

1. pirates
2. royals

etc
etc

31. red sox
32. yankees

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

#1 and #2 spend what little money they have like assholes; they have no right to bitch about anything.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

LOOK AT THE PIRATES PASSING DUSTY BAKER'S CUBS

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

I am not bitching and moaning. I don't think Big Papi was either. Asked a question by a reporter comparing his MVP credentials with Derek Jeter's - a comparison, you may note, between the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox, not any other team - and Papi had to GALL to mention the GULF that separates the Yankees from every other team in baseball, INCLUDING the Red Sox - in a very roundabout way, too, by complimenting their lineup - and he's some kind of sore loser? Only in the Stalinesque climes of Yankeeland is such a commonplace filed verboten.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't see papi mention any GULF. although he should be careful about what he considers "valuable"--he's hitting in front of manny, and the rest of the sox lineup are properly godfearing. maybe he should have mentioned jeter's range instead...

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Red Sox got thrashed by the Yankees, had more than a lineup's worth of injuries and plummeted out of contention... so for that reason, you're "taking Jeter's side" when he talks like a cock?

stence is right, I was being a bit facetious in that "taking Jeter's side" isn't really a consequence of the Red Sox screwing the pooch ... however, Papi is completely full of shit in this case, fishing for sympathy and trying to present himself as Bonds 2001-4, who could singlehandedly transform a below-average offense into one of the best in the NL. Hey Jeter, I dare you to take your pretty boy .340 BA to one of the best hitters parks in the league and hit behind a future HOFer. I double dare you! Lame.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

and hit ~~behind~~ in front of a future HOFer

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

OK all people who are not 100% behind Big Papi - 4 LIFE, bitchez - need to get the hell off this thread before I THROW Y'ALL OUT

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

LOL @ RED SOX BACKLASH BEING LED BY JETER-JETER-PUMPKINEATER

― Jimmy Mod's Champion Erotic Fantasy Team 2006 (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

OK all people who are not 100% behind Big Papi - 4 LIFE, bitchez - need to get the hell off this thread before I THROW Y'ALL OUT

curious where you'll stand in 2011 when steinbrenner finally gets that toy cashman passed on..

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ big grandpapi

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

he'll still be half Bond's age around then

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Jeter, Santana, Sizemore and prolly Hafner (missing the last month) and Mauer are all ahead of Ortiz in my book.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh Dye too.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Goddamn Jermaine Dye #$**^#% makes me so mad.

I still like him though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I am thinking that the Division Winner/Wild Card in the Central is probably going to decide who wins the MVP (depending obv on how Mauer and Dye do during the stretch run--if either don't play well then it's basically Jeter's to win.) I can't see Santana (who probably deserves it) or Hafner (DH on poor team) getting it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

By poor team, I mean unluck w/ shitty relief (which is basically the same thing, I am beginning to believe.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

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