Oh come on...

as per what/how?

lets just all pretend nothing ever happens ever

what, like Del Amitri?

this doesnt make sense. you just banned a regular user who ppl regularly conversed with and now its verboten to even talk about?

It isn't verboten to talk about it, that's why this thread hasn't been locked, ditto the original teenpop thread where the ban occurred.

wha happened?

thread of heaving a ho?

explain what is objectionable about
Thread of missing Gershy

i barely talked to dude, this isnt personal, im just trying to understand why something so seemingly innocuous is off limits

why was gershy banned?

Pretending to be sub-1000 copy bookselling music writer Frank Kogan on another site and implying that he likes the kiddies.

Oh have a fucking guess why don't you.

To spell it out:

A/long history of rooting through ILX garbage despite both me and tom telling him to stop

B/recently-ish followed a poster around posting images of his home and workplace, as well as comments C&P-ed from that posters social networking sites in a creepy harassing manner

C/the last straw - posted libellous (IE legally actionable) spoof on ILX poster in comments on other board and then brought this trash back here.

Is that enough, do you think. If not, what do you think would be enough?

just curious jeesh

He did it a couple of weeks before the warning shot thread, which makes the permaban seem extra harsh. To the extent that somebody posting regularly on here is what passes for a "public figure" in internet bizarro-world, anybody could've posted a snark like that anywhere. It doesn't fall into the realm of snooping somebody's non-internet life, and the comment appears to be gone. So on all those grounds I'd like to seriously request a rethink?

and who will be in charge of thread revives now?

Plus is it really any worse than Kogan's "Everyone who posts to ILM other than me is a misogynist, homophobe, and ignoramus" schtick that he plays on other boards?

and who will be in charge of thread revives now?

-- jhøshea, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 17:18 (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Quitney's back next week.

but i still dont understand whats wrong with a thread of missing gershy

its wrong to miss gershy see

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/473/473646/leninutentrotsly_550x167.jpg

Noodle Vague, it's libellous. This sort of shit is completely unacceptable, that's the long and short of it. Just because someone is a "public figure" by what's a pretty loose definition of the term doesn't mean everything is fair game.

The comments were only deleted because the poster emailed the site owner and requested their deletion. And considering Gershy was making cracks about the poster in question as recently as yesterday, I'd say rethinking the ban is pretty fucking unlikely.

meta life: can't stop won't stop

Hadn't seen that thread, I guess in light of what's been said that comment was majorly ill-advised. Would still rather there was another way than banned for life. Still think taking the piss out of gershy after he's been kicked should be alright, as long as nobody quotes the offending material.

NV, consider this scenario. You diss some poster for whatever reason. That poster then starts posting images of your home and your workplace after posts you've made here. No comments, just the images. No-one else knows what the images are, they're obviously just for you. Also, they root out stuff you posted to some other boards or lists or w/e, and cut&paste some of that, again without comment. What would your feelings about that be, I wonder.

This is pure poison. This is the action of a fucked-up, vindictive, sociopathic individual. I do not want this individual posting here anymore. Had I been made aware of this at the time, I would have banned this person then, no question.

i agree it's bannable but can we get an explanation as to why "thread of missing gershy" was locked?

i dont think he'd object to us posting pictures of tombstones at his expense

it wouldn't even be that fun of a thread i just think in the context of new rules that the locking of the thread warrants an explanation as to why we can't have those anymore

Pash I agree with the "no cyber-stalking" rule, I understand the desire to avoid libel too. I was only aware of the thread which seems to have been the straw breaking camel's back thing, so it seemed comparatively innocuous. That was what I was querying upthread.

lol guys im pretty sure gershy didnt make that comment

heave ho has been going around to teenpop msg boards and stuff posting as "frank kogan" and "krank fogan" for months now, he keeps IMing me to show me

o rly?

i mean maybe it was gersh, im just sayin, it seems unfair to ban the dude when his comment wasnt at all an admission of 'guilt'

This is pure poison. This is the action of a fucked-up, vindictive, sociopathic individual. I do not want this individual posting here anymore. Had I been made aware of this at the time, I would have banned this person then, no question.

-- Pashmina, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:43 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

and look i get why youre banning him but gershys not fucked-up, vindictive OR sociopathic, hes just a dude with a family in LA (and you know isnt it libelous to call him those things?)

I only have this to go on, though. What the fuck else am I supposed to think about the guy after that, eh?

I mean to do that, is fucked up, vindictive and sociopathic, would you agree?

Can you libel someone we only know under a series of psuedonyms?

i dunno pash i think its pretty weak to take gabbneb's "side" of the "story"--

The poster gershy has posted on ILX pictures of my home, pictures of my workplace, and content that I posted on a social-networking site (without comment or explicit identification of these things with me), among a number of examples of arguably inappropriate behavior targeted at me over time. A minor recent example - http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=13&boardid=77&threadid=286

(all of this of course in response to my having called him nude spock for exhibiting some behavior with respect to others that to my eyes fell into one or more of the categories of conduct pashmina has now deemed prohibited or subject to mod review)

as the truth of what actually happened--gabbneb posted one example of something REALLY minor and then didnt provide evidence of any of the other stuff, and then ascribed this bizarre motive to a set of behaviors he never even demonstrated happened!!

tbh I cannot remember a single thing gershy has posted despite him posting here for like 6 years, so personally I have nothing to compare it to

way to gabbneb

gabbneb is really Frank Kogan?

libelous^

heave ho has been going around to teenpop msg boards and stuff posting as "frank kogan" and "krank fogan" for months now, he keeps IMing me to show me

^tru

do you think gabb started this thread because gershy was banned: This is the Thread for When You Feel Awesome

heave would probably admit to it too if he wasn't banned already ;)

xpost was wondering about that

heave ho has been going around to teenpop msg boards and stuff posting as "frank kogan" and "krank fogan" for months now, he keeps IMing me to show me

The same Heave Ho who you guys were all "hey unban him he's learned his lesson now" not so long ago? Way to add credibility to your character references this time round.

"you guys"

"character references"

haha yeah those are pretty big words aren't they

"big words"

"aren't they"

hyuk

nice to see tom in rambo-mode this early in the day

"May 28, 2008"

"Wednesday" xxpost

heave ho has been going around to teenpop msg boards and stuff posting as "frank kogan" and "krank fogan" for months now, he keeps IMing me to show me

The same Heave Ho who you guys were all "hey unban him he's learned his lesson now" not so long ago? Way to add credibility to your character references this time round.

-- Matt DC, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:14 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

dont be a dick, matt, the point is that it would be nice to, you know, ask gershy if he was actually the one who wrote that comment before banning him.

You know, the point could be that bringing this back to ILX and creating a tangible, traceable link to us that references libellous shit that people are already saying originates from here is a bannable offense in and of itself.

i'm willing to bet gershy made that comment because he knew it was heave ho who posted it

nice to see tom in rambo-mode this early in the day

you guys are going to learn, I think, that I'm the nicest mod you fucking have

tom idk why you're trying to turn this into nu-ilx meta crew v. the evil mods. lots of people on ilx liked gershy and i don't think asking for an explanation as to his banning or even defending it is anything to get so worked up about. this has been a pretty civil thread so far.

yes, it has, I don't know why you're getting so worked up, either

calmer than you are
http://www.ateabutnoe.com/uploaded_images/sobchak-781317.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/2lkvbsg.jpg

he's fragile! very fragile!

iiiii did not know that.

bump

here is a message from heave ho

Heave Ho: Back in January I posted as Vanessa Hudgens fan "Krank Fogan" on topix.net, if that's what you're talking about, it wasn't gershy, it was me. Bye

i told him that this is about a different incident but there you are nonetheless

maybe that wasn't really him ; )

-- gershy, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:48 AM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Link

oops wrong thread.

I am with the mods on this one.

Can we have "thread of not missing gershy", then?

Thread of missing chaki

Dude was a meltdown waiting to happen.

I've cleaned up the same rant posted elsewhere on dozens of unrelated threads but if there's any still knocking around let me know. I've left the original for now.

I'm oddly gratified by the gentle eyeroll/point and laugh response/carry on with their conversations it got from all those Ilxers who sensibly have no interest whatsoever in this bullshit though.

When was the last time you saw your parents naked?

Was this the original thread?

No. Deleted.

Theres still a couple on 77 but the subsequent comments make the context worthy,rly, god bless estela.

Is that the rant on the bottom of this thread?

Techno/House Bobbins 2008

Yes.

I'd argue it needs to be kept on "I Can't Believe It's Not Butthurt" as well.

hi max!

as the truth of what actually happened--gabbneb posted one example of something REALLY minor and then didnt provide evidence of any of the other stuff, and then ascribed this bizarre motive to a set of behaviors he never even demonstrated happened!!

feel free to look that stuff up on your own if it's important to you

do you think gabb started this thread because gershy was banned: This is the Thread for When You Feel Awesome

i had no idea gershy was banned until now, and started that thread for something that has nothing to do with ILX. i don't feel awesome anymore, though, if that makes you feel any better.

buncha rants on ilm still...
Have a Nice Decade: The 70s Pop Culture Box CD1 Poll
POST YO MUXTAPE
the wire crossword puzzle hints and answers
young jeezy ft. kanye west- put on
BEST of these mid to late-90s 'Britrock' bands
Best live shows ever -- (Akron/Family)
Why In The Name Of All That Is Holy Does Anyone Like Built to Spill?

Blimey, I hope the hot girl didn't get bored waiting.

Dude was very angry and certainly seemed like he could use a cuddle.

should leave at least some for posterity

I definitely think it should stay on the Suzanne Vega thread. The surroundings lend it a kind of wrecked grandeur.

id be curious as to the thread count

Gotta be at least 30.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1341/1193838025470pd4.jpg

I liked this response:

Pinefox in NYC June 2008

Oh come on...

Sheesh

so why was 'pix or it didnt happen' locked

why was WHO'S ILX RETURN ARE YOU MORE EAGERLY AWAITING? locked

i thought that the new rules werent going to stop fun they were just going to stop creepy/stalky behavior?

lol tom locked all doms meta threads then temp banned him

ILX retirment note archive

hes upset cause someone banned chaki before he could get to him

we're in a no dom/tolerance state until further notice.

man wtf somebody banned him already

-- TOMBOT, Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:16 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

that is really disappointing. you guys know I haven't banned anybody since the new policy? so fuckin pissed

-- TOMBOT, Thursday, May 29, 2008 12:17 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I think it might be an idea to wait until everyone has had a good night's sleep until we discuss bannings further.

http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/4/2/2/7/9/ar117824387697224.jpg

hay wait...

look at what a nasty mod I am, telling Dom to stop his weak meta bullshit after a one week grace period, banning him from all of Ask Chaki for a whole four days

talk some more shit jhosh

wtf i do?

i was just summing up the situation as you yourself described it

I think we should all take a step back from the monitor, take a few deep breaths, and think about other people before we post.

ILX has been around for a long time, some petty little aggravation on a May morning shouldn't be its death knell.

I think I may leave mod req for a few days, I can't help but feel that I'm in some way contributing to these problems

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http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/specialengagements/afewgoodmenjacktruth.JPG

i cant believe dom is the one being big abt this :/

i cant believe you dont think hes being 100% sarcastic

i think theres a chance hes for real here

Your judgment is suspect, Pats-picker.

low blow

someday i will make a thread w/all my predictions from ilx and you will see how awesome i am - until then, lick my balls hardy!

oh jhosh see I misunderstood

lol tom locked all doms meta threads then temp banned him

ILX retirment note archive

hes upset cause someone banned chaki before he could get to him

-- jhøshea, Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:34 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I thought you were attributing my actions to some capricious attitude instead of just trying to do my job

I like Dom's pop thread he started the other day on ILM and wish he would spend more time doing that than the stuff I moved to Thread Dump
I really believe this is about improving the s/n ratio and not trying to do thought police (any more than we always have regarding bigotry and stupid trolling e.g. wagemann)

I have no opinion about recent modding so this isn't a reference to that, but I hope mods don't think it's their job to improve the signal to noise ratio by editing the site in some way. That's something that has to come from all (or most) posters. Top-down editing to improve S/N is tilting at windmills and guaranteed to end up with either meltdowns or ossification.

I see mods' job as fixing the odd poll, and moving the odd thread from ILM to ILE, and making sure people don't do shit that is unseemly.

You'll be fully in support then

lol no tom obv chaki was asking for it - literally!

and making sure people don't do shit that is unseemly.

This is obviously a subjective thing though, evidenced by the handwringing and lolz over this issue for so long now. I've personally got no probs with mods deleting inappropriate material, or banning ppl when there's just cause, but I know I'm probably in a minority.

prop joe has made the word 'unseemly' v. awesome to me

Can we at least have "I can't believe it's not butthurt" back? That shit is classic material.

And I'd _hope_ that the mods would know when we're legitimately annoyed by modding actions, and when we're just playing devil's advocate for the good of the board.

and making sure people don't do shit that is unseemly.

This is obviously a subjective thing though, evidenced by the handwringing and lolz over this issue for so long now.

oh sure, but I think everyone would agree that it's very different to the specific goal of increasing the signal-to-noise, which tom mentioned.

no, not everyone

signal = not unseemly
noise = unseemly

OK, i hope you are a good editor

when we're legitimately annoyed by modding actions, and when we're just playing devil's advocate for the good of the board.

it is very, very hard to tell, sometimes. explicit caveats, as tiresome as they might be, would really help.

I'd like to request some sort of status message to alert us when Dom is being sincere.

http://image.hazardstrip.com/ico/sprays/alarm.gif

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/monkey_smile.jpg

oh come on why was i barred from ile?

can a dude not even post about beestings and pernod and mayor mccheese without making someone angry these days jesus christ

oh fuckin hell its on the noise board my bad

second time embarrassing board mixup has happened to me this week

noize board's banning policy is healthy for noize board

i nominate myself for noise board super mod status since jon is "taking a break"

i have no prob w/ my bang from noize board but i was gonna say somethign really insightful on that thread and it is forever lost to space now so its really ultimately your guys loss

post it here and i will c&p it for you

ty - i was gonna say (just c&p the part i quote)

"deeznuts predicts you have been stung at least 4 times in your life"

the idea is if he had been stung less than 4 times he would've remembered the particular & latest incidents much more clearly

sry should be 'stunged'

Can we at least have "I can't believe it's not butthurt" back? That shit is classic material.

-- Dom Passantino, Friday, 30 May 2008 10:07 (3 days ago) Bookmark Link