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I'm in a position right now where I'm just so terribly confused about what I'm supposed to be doing with my life. I don't really know what I have a passion for, where I want to go to college, what I want to major in, whether I even want or need to go to college... On one hand, my pride tells me that I need to get a 4 year degree... On the other, I have a really hard time dealing with all that comes with school. I don't know whether perhaps this would be ameliorated by being accepted to a better school, more "worthy" of me. It's really around the time I should be applying. I have no idea where I want to go at all. I have some vague idea of a mid-size liberal arts college in the NYC, Boston, Chicago, or San Francisco area. I thought I wanted to go to Skidmore (in NY), but the more I research it the more I realize it may not really be the place for me. I should mention also that I didn't complete high school, I have a GED... That narrows my choices quite a bit. Majors I've thought about have been music composition, creative writing, EngLit, philosophy, and music production.
But I've also been considering maybe forgetting college for the moment, and moving to England. I feel really trapped here, and that's really one of the only places I have friends who would be willing to help me out. I have some friends who might be able to help me get some fairly nice jobs... And that seems pretty attractive to me at the moment, and even in some ways significantly less frightening than the prospect of college.
But then there are so many other issues. I have some health problems which may at some point require expensive surgery/treatment, and I don't know that I really want to be so far away from home if/when it comes to that. And I've never really been independent, and I have other chronic health issues, and I really have no idea what I could handle on my own.

And how important will it be in the long run that I get my degree? I have no idea. The jobs in England that I'm hoping to get are PR and merchandise related (both jobs also related to Radiohead)... Am I going to need to finish college if I want to continue in that direction?

My head is literally spinning. I'm obsessing over all these choices to the point of psychosis. All I know is that I can't continue being here, doing what I'm doing (living with my mom in the conservative Chicago suburbs, contemplating suicide while attending brain-deadening community college).

I have absolutely no idea where to go from this point. I don't have any particular ambitions or passions anymore that strongly guide me towards any particular path.

I'm just clinging on to a few things right now to keep myself from completely going crazy. My whole Radiohead thing... It's a coping mechanism. It's the last thing I love enough to keep me alive.

This isn't really any one question, but a general incoherent cry for HELP!

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 10 October 2002 07:48 (twenty-three years ago)

well the irony for me is i keep thinking i'd quite like to be 17 again sometimes but thats nothing a quick slap cant sort out...it gets better Melissa :)

to get the kind of job you'd like the most important thing you could do is obtain the right contacts, this comes above getting a degree of some kind altho obviously that would be a huge and ALMOST essential tool in itself. but not the be all and end all. if you dont go to college you should try and get as involved as you can in music-related activities that can help you make contacts and references e.g. contributing to websites or making enquiries about getting work experience at a radio station, local press office or gig venue could be advantageous in this respect - just be aware its very competetive and most people are there cos they knew the right person, schmooze like there's no tomorrow. these things can at least get you closer to the action, and if any of them ever involve Radiohead in some way then there's your chance. in the meantime if you havent done so see if you can contact Radiohead's PR people by e-mail and try and maintain some kind of contact, ask someone there for advice

maybe you should get a job for the moment (record store? or one of those cool jobs your friend can get) and see how you feel six months down the line...if you see your friends are having a great time at college (as can happen) then you can maybe apply somewhere later on and do a course designed for a career in PR, you've still got plenty of time to figure out what you wanna do so try not to worry about it too much...things tend to fall into place and if you want to do something THAT BAD, you just need to nudge it when it comes and grab it with both hands

hope thats of SOME help at all...

blueski, Thursday, 10 October 2002 08:01 (twenty-three years ago)

schmooze like there's no tomorrow. these things can at least get you closer to the action, and if any of them ever involve Radiohead in some way then there's your chance. in the meantime if you havent done so see if you can contact Radiohead's PR people by e-mail and try and maintain some kind of contact, ask someone there for advice

Their UK PR manager right now IS my contact. So I've got connections. She likes me quite a bit. My other connection is the head of their merchandising company. Who likes me as well, and would probably be willing to help me out a bit.

I'm just so confused.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 10 October 2002 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)

see what advice do they give (if any)

blueski, Thursday, 10 October 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

how old are you now Melissa? i remember being 16 and not wanting to go to university at all - at the time i wanted to be a games designer and knew i could still pursue it just by learning the skills required at home and squeezing in somewhere by making some contacts. by the time i was 18 i'd fucked up my A-levels pretty bad but now really wanted to go to college so got went through the 'clearin' process (colleges advertise their spare places on degrees for those who dont make the grade initially) and got on a course that turned out to be perfect for me - really enjoyed it. as well as this i got heavily involved in student press and befriended several contacts who were the reps for student press at record companies and PR companies. i think i could have ended up with a job like theirs had i maintained contact and arranged some work experience/shadowing with them and shown great enthusiasm for working in that area, even if its just making the tea at first - patience is the key....this is also a possible route for you - target the press (web or print) and if you can write yourself then offer to review their crappy bands and then syndicate the reviews around different sites, student press or local press

blueski, Thursday, 10 October 2002 08:21 (twenty-three years ago)

so you have "connections" with people who could "help you out" in getting a job you would love? and you're confused?
wait until you're 26, finished your degree two years ago and are temping for an i.t. company STILL with no idea what you want to do with your life. sorry if i sound facetious but, you know, if you've got the chance GRAB IT.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 10 October 2002 08:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael Daddino to thread! NASCENT JOHNNIE SPOTTED!!!!

Melissa, go here: http://www.sjca.edu

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 10 October 2002 08:24 (twenty-three years ago)

well you do have a couple of connections there so pursue those and see what happens. Talk to them!

If you feel there's no course that will suit you then don't feel you have to go to college NOW. I have seen ppl who took the wrong course and it really set them back. Even then ppl who get degrees in one area do something completely different. just through chance they find the thing they wanted to do.

have patience and please do not contemplate suicide.

good luck in whatever it is that you choose to do.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 10 October 2002 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd second the advice of talking to your contacts and seeing what they thought. If they are willing to help out, it's definitely worth a try.

Have you thought about trying to move out right now, maybe to someplace not so far away from your mom? If you've never really experienced independence, this might be a good first step. If you try it out and find out you're not ready to cope on your own, it will be easier to move back in with your mom than it would if you had already moved to England. Just a thought.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 10 October 2002 09:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't have any particular ambitions or passions anymore

Sorry if this isn't so relevant but what happened to them? Might there be anything to return to and explore further here? I also agree with Nicole in that independence is pretty crucial. It could be alienating at first, even dire, but from my experience ambition and a sense of value/meaning tends to grow out of enduring these things. It's better than being locked up in mundane suburban bedroom depression anyhow.

Honda, Thursday, 10 October 2002 09:30 (twenty-three years ago)

As a 25 year old in an assistant position, I am completely jealous of your connections, Melissa. I agree with Michael & the others that you should talk to your contact and get advice that way.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 10 October 2002 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought this thread was going to be about Rebecca.

Graham (graham), Thursday, 10 October 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

If you have any doubts about college, then wait until you are ready to go. There is no shame in taking a few years off. There is no point in going to school unless you really feel like you want to be there and nowhere else. I learned this the hard way.
If you already have contacts for jobs, this is even better. Spend some time working, get connected with yourself, and with the life you want to live.
If you have health problems, and if you have never lived away from home, you may want to wait a bit before moving to England. Even though it would be easier for an American to adjust to living there compared to other countries because of language, culture shock is still a possibility, and you may want to gain experience living on your own closer to home first. Even 4 months of living alone will be a good learning experience, so if you are anxious to move to England, don't think that you will have to wait forever.
in general, when you are overwhelmed, try to work on solving one problem at a time. While you are home, you may want to resolve, if it can be resolved, whatever it is that ails you. recovering from surgery, if it is necessary, will probably be much easier with your Mom around, assuming that you two get along ok.
Whatever happens, I hope everything works out well for you!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 10 October 2002 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

how old are you now Melissa?
I'm going to be 19 this month.

so you have "connections" with people who could "help you out" in getting a job you would love? and you're confused?
I'm not sure I'm ready for it, not sure how it would work out, not sure that postponing college is the right thing to do in the face of possible but not absolute job opportunities. I don't want to be without job or degree.

If you have any doubts about college, then wait until you are ready to go. There is no shame in taking a few years off. There is no point in going to school unless you really feel like you want to be there and nowhere else. I learned this the hard way.
If you already have contacts for jobs, this is even better. Spend some time working, get connected with yourself, and with the life you want to live.

This all sounds really good to me. But I just don't know...

Have you thought about trying to move out right now, maybe to someplace not so far away from your mom? If you've never really experienced independence, this might be a good first step. If you try it out and find out you're not ready to cope on your own, it will be easier to move back in with your mom than it would if you had already moved to England. Just a thought.
I've thought about this. The issue is, here, I'd be completely on my own. I have no friends here. In England, I could easily find a roommate.

Sorry if this isn't so relevant but what happened to them? Might there be anything to return to and explore further here?
I seem to have lost most of my creative impulses. The need to write, paint, photograph, compose... All gone. Probably a combination of crippling low self-esteem and lack of stimulation. I really feel like less of a person now than I did a few years ago. I had it all figured out then. I wanted to go to NYU film school, and I was so sure about it. I just find the idea less appealing now. I don't even watch movies anymore, much less want to make them. All my loves and interests are just disappearing.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 10 October 2002 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't have much advice at all because I am still in high school and can't offer anything useful.

Aaron said to take a year or a few years off and that might be a good idea....I've read that if you want to go to college after that it's usually not held against you, and can work in your favor ("look she's independent and can do work"), so it wouldn't screw up your chances if you changed your mind and decided you DID want a four-year degree later.

If you do end up wanting to go to a mid-sized liberal arts college (and you're still looking in NY), Ithaca College is big on music and English so you could look that up.

It sounds like everything's complicated, and confusing, and I don't know what you should do, so I wish you the best of luck and I hope you become happy.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 10 October 2002 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

My adivce is to go after what you love. Even if that means selling radiohead t-shirts out of a truck. Because the enthusiasm you put forth will pay off. Doing anything half-assed is a waste of time and money, college especially.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 10 October 2002 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a friend who got a vocal performance degree from Ithaca College who absolutely loved it. (She then got her master's degree form Boston University and hated that, but that's neither here nor there.) I can only echo what others have said; ask your contacts for advice and try being independent near home before you try being independent across an ocean. (I understand that not having roommates could be cripplingly lonely, but it could also be extremely refreshing to have an entire living space to yourself.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 October 2002 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

i like bnw's advice, and i also think it's important to just start the process in motion. i was in a similar position 2 years ago, completely unsure of where i wanted things to go and what i wanted to do. at the last minute, pondering a fruitless year of sitting on my ass in front on a pc screen eating cheezee puffs in my pajamas (kinda like what i do now anyway but let's forget this for the moment), i went and signed up for art school. now, in a lot of ways i'm still very uncertain as to my ultimate career path, i'm still figuring out everything as i go along, but just doing *something* seems to help. start on the smallest possible scale, phoning or e-mailing places of potential interest, talking to contacts. it's still astoundingly difficult, but it seems like that first commitment begets another.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 10 October 2002 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that you should ask your potential job connections for advice. But I'd suggest that you should also apply to some schools in the meantime. That way, in a little while you'll have a much better idea of what your options actually are.

Something else to keep in mind is the icky icky job market right now (though maybe it's better in England?).

Don't despair--it sounds like you have a much better grasp of what you want to do with your life than I did when I was 19 (and I've turned out fine, so far)!

nory (nory), Thursday, 10 October 2002 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Melissa, if I may, do you think you may be depressed ? I read your responses above and if you are perpetually troubled by low self esteem and ABOVE ALL inability to feel much interested in things that you formerly enjoyed and you can't make a decision about what to do, this is quite possibly the issue.
My advice is to look up some information about this (tons of resources online!) and consider that if so, it should be the first thing you try to do something about.. for your own sake. Or you might look into resources at your community college. But if you are down on yourself all the time, taking on what looks from afar like your dream job may not make things any better, I am afraid.
Also.. some steps that may help: if you are obsessing over questions to the point where they're driving you crazy, here is advice: write down choices, options, things to do, since once the stuff's on paper, you won't have to carry it around in yr head as much. Next, go outside, walk around, get exercise. If you're not the sports type, who cares, just go into a shopping district in the city or even in a mall and walk, walk, walk. Clears your mind..

d g, Thursday, 10 October 2002 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Melissa, I agree with the above poster, you may want to get counseling (if you are not already) and the types of questions you posted on this board can be also be discussed there. When someone loses interest in everything or most things, that is a farely good indicator of depression, which can be treated, to an extent... I concur with many of the above posters who have pointed out that you are very young (well, compared to me anyway) there is still plenty of time to fugure out if you want to go college, where you want to go to college, what to study if and when you do go... I wouldn't say its essential, but for me, definitely enjoyable, then again, I am still trying to figure out exactly what I am doing... If you like NYC there are a lot of great schools here, and the city can be very stimulating, or hateful, depending on your perspective, there's the New School, NYU, Barnard (where I went for undergrad and studied English if you have any questions about) etc... Close to NYC but outside NYC are Bard, Sarah Lawrence, Skidmore, as you mentioned... With the expense involved in going to one of these "private liberal arts" colleges, I would definitely suggest that you feel some sort of interest in attending--if not for long range goals, simply for the love of studying or learning... If you do go to college you could participate in a lot of activities that could end up opening doors for you (student radio, etc, none of which I did) through which you could also meet friends... Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about NY schools, I also got my master's at NYU--and am still without a real job, or a forseeable goal for the future! Best of luck.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 10 October 2002 23:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Melissa, if I may, do you think you may be depressed ?
Yes

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 01:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Well then. That, you can do something about. Being caught in a suburb with nothing to do & not having friends in the area.. argh..! it's no wonder you're down. But listen, take it from me because I know, this miserable place you're in is not permanent and things will get better, even though you might feel right now that they won't. They can. But you gotta take a few steps.
Can you do one/more of the following?

  • go to the health services at your community college and make an appointment to see a counselor (this is probably a good first step if it is free b/c you are a student, and even if they don't have someone who directly can help, they ought to have contact people in your area

  • speak with your mom and tell her how you are feeling, because support from family is a good thing to have, and see if she can help you find a professional to get help from (how much/how little you would like to say is yr discretion of course, some families are more/less supportive than others).. but you know, it is not anyone's fault and nothing to be ashamed of.

  • If you think that life is not worth living and are feeling suicidal, please know that being depressed means you are likely to think nobody notices/cares what happens. They do care, even if you can't tell right now. And if you are about to do something to harm yourself, make a call first : (list of crisis hotlines in Illinois.

  • If you like to be documented like me, I much enjoyed reading Andrew Solomon's The Noonday Demon: An Atlas of Depression, it came out last year and is v. sympathetic, comprehensive, and well written. you can download a chapter

    I hope I don't sound like I am overreacting, but I would rather err on that side - being depressed really sucks, and I take it pretty seriously.

    Also I meant what I said before about going walking/getting exercise of any kind. It does wonders. If you're the type, like me, who would tend to sign up for classes b/c she is really ambitious, and then not go so she can feel bad about that.. Don't do it! Instead, if you're sitting around thinking too much & getting that nauseated/stasis/can't-do-anything feeling, tell yourself, I *do* want to feel better and I'm just going to go walk to the grocery store now, or I'm going to put on some Daft Punk & have a little dance party in my living room, or whatever you can manage.
    Furthermore, don't beat yourself up right now for not having the future planned out - depression can do this weird time-warp-thing where you're constantly deferring action and thus missing out on the present. Concentrate on the present. If these future-plan issues are troubling you, write them down, you can come back to them later after you're feeling better and then make decisions with a clearer head.
    And one more thing. If Radiohead is your sort of idee fixe.. don't take away your coping mechanism now, but when you have gotten help and things are starting to look up again, it may be worth trying to cut back gradually on the Radiohead. Not now tho! I understand how important it is to have that little piece of structure that kind of lets you order the rest of life. I am gonna confess right now to having been a huge Nine Inch Nails fan in a particularly wretched part of my life. At least you have TASTE. :)
    So hang in there! Send me an email if you want, I put my proper address in this comment.

    daria g, Friday, 11 October 2002 02:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I've seen psychiatrists and counselors and I've been on various medications. None of it really has helped. I happen to believe that my depression has more of a physical and situational genesis. Well, I'd like to believe that anyway. But I do believe that large portions of my depression can be blamed on my health and location. I don't know if anyone here has ever been to Wheaton... But if anyone has they'd know it's really a horrible place for me.
And then, of course, it's hard to be happy when I'm constantly in pain and I don't feel like I'm in control of my own body at all.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Erm, messed things up there a bit.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Does that fix it?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Argh, this is driving me crazy. I'm all OCD about closing HTML tags, but I can't figure out what has gone wrong here.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:34 (twenty-three years ago)

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Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Damnit, that's YaBB code, not HTML.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm paranoid about derailing the thread with all this nonsense.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:41 (twenty-three years ago)

You can probably rule out HTML programmer as a career option. One of my best friends went to Skidmore. She is a big art geek and flat out adored it.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 11 October 2002 03:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you think you could maybe get her to email me?
(I'm actually fairly good at HTML, I swear!)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 04:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Melissa, I have been to Wheaton. My oldest friend lives there and I see what you mean. I don't know how mobile you are, but Wheaton is on a Metra line -- are there any resources in Chicago that might interest you?

There is lots of good information and advice on this thread. I hope it comforts you to know that you're not alone.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 11 October 2002 08:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't really know much about Chicago, surprisingly. It's a strange place. Large, beautiful, but seemingly the center of absolutely nothing.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

You should try getting out of the house in the daytimes and exploring Chicago a bit--there's certainly plenty to do and see there (museums, cafes, window shopping, people-watching, etc.). Sometimes changing your environment for a while (even if it's something as minor going to a cafe for a few hours) can help a lot, as can getting away from the computer.

nory (nory), Friday, 11 October 2002 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought I wanted to go to Skidmore

hey, baby...

but the more I research it the more I realize it may not really be the place for me.

awwww...

Sorry, couldn't resist. More seriously, it does sound as if there is a chance of getting a job in an area you might really love. I am not at all suggesting that you throw out other ideas, but I think you are missing a chance if you don't at least ask some questions, see if these Radiohead PR people might be able to offer you something. If not, college looks better. If so, give it a go, and if it doesn't work out, you have some experience and maybe more money with which to launch into college next year. As I say, at least see if there are attractive opportunities there.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 11 October 2002 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with the idea of getting into the city. The stimulation, and the necessity of thinking about something else besides your own confusion will help. Also, if you are planning on moving to London, for instance, you will need as much practice being in a city as you can get. Become comfortable walking around, using transportation, getting to know neighborhoods, etc. That way, when you do move to a city, you will not feel as overwhelmed and lonely. A city can act a lot like a drug, in that it can amplify your attitudes a great deal. If you are horrendously depressed, then moving to the city may even be more frustrating then the suburbs. So use Chicago while you are there, so that, when you move, you will, at least in the realm of street smarts, have an area of yourself that you feel supremely confident about.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 11 October 2002 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)


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