NaNoWriMo 2002! -- the official ILX thread or something

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Okay, just to differentiate from last time. ;-) For those new to this whole thing, I refer ya to this page. Maura is the official New York contact, I seem to recall -- me, I'm just a participant. And for those who care, my novel will be posted on a chapter a day basis here -- and what you see there now is all I'm saying about it at present.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 03:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, so not to be a total idiot but what exactly do people do? I mean I understand the concept of the 150pg novel, one month, etc. But, um, then what? What happens at the end of the month?

― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 31 October 2002 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

At the end of a month, you have a book, which you can try to foist on a publisher or show to your friends or delete and pretend you never wrote anything.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 04:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I did it last year just to get over the mental block of "But gosh, a novel is big and stuff!" Healthy thing to do, and 1666 words a day or whatever it turns out to be is not all that much -- until you hit a crunch and realize, oh, wait, if I don't write for three days that means I need to write over 4000 words to get back on track today. Which was also a healthy thing. If I wanted to finish, I had to write even when I wasn't "inspired" or "in the mood" and all that crap, just like I have to do the dishes when I don't feel like it.

I finished with a few days to spare, and the "novel" (it's 50,000 words; that's barely publishable as a novel if it isn't arty -- but if it's got a beginning, middle, and end, you can always flesh things out later) definitely shows all the signs of being written in a month (and while I was sick with a busted gallbladder, but I didn't know that at the time). But it's done, and it's mine, and I know now that it's something I can do.

I can't participate this year because I have too much other writing I can't afford to put aside -- I've thought about going with the spirit of the thing and adding 1666 words a day to novel #2, which has been in progress for a few months, but we'll see.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 31 October 2002 04:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Can you formulate ideas, worlds, languages, interesting adj, etc. beforehand, or does all that start on the 1st?
and when you (people who have done it) were writing it did you ramble, or try to have everything work together, build to climax, subplots, etc?
Could you just explain you process a little more?
(I'll check out the website.)
I may want to do this, but I am awfully busy.

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 31 October 2002 06:14 (twenty-three years ago)

How many words or pages / day or week does 50,000 make?
where/when do I have to sign up by?

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 31 October 2002 06:24 (twenty-three years ago)

The basic idea is to start as near fresh as you can -- definitely not to do any actual writing for it before the 1st. My particular idea has been percolating for a while but I've not written a word. The official website linked up top will tell ya all you need to know!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 06:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Mine was historical fiction, so I had to do research ahead of time, but I didn't think that was against the spirit of the thing -- I still ended up having to do a good deal of it as I went, because you really can't predict what you're going to need to know.

A lot of people are definitely of the "don't outline before the 1st, don't plot, etc." school, which I think fits the spirit of it; I know a few people who said they weren't even going to think about what they were going to write until the day of it, and would just go with their first impulse -- but none of them actually finished.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 31 October 2002 06:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I've not entered! :(

I'm not gonna have time to do it this year.

Good luck.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 31 October 2002 08:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I did it last year, and LOVED the process, though what came out was so bad I didn't even show it to Lisa. This year, there is simply no way at all I'm going to have time. Pity.

― Douglas, Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

wouldn't the results be a lot more pleasing if it was NationalWriteOneShortStoryAndEditItRepeatedlyUntilItIsGoodMonth?

― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Therein lies the problem that NaNoWriMo is attempting to help writers overcome, Josh. ("Problem" - I wish more amateur writers had this problem!) (I'm being pedantic, aren't I?)

Please note that I attempted this last year, and didn't make it very far @ all. Couldn't overcome the "damn it, this sucks" vibe my screen gave off.

Hey! Let's start NaWrOShoStAndEdIRepUnIIGooMon! (Bulbasaur?)

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Good idea!

I am thinking of writing a short story between 1000 - 10,000 words. I could just about manage that.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)

i like josh's idea.

― maura (maura), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

so shall we start it then?

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)

But I don't have any short story ideas! I'd have to make up something about a dead dog.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

think Ned, think.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

im going to write one about ILX and the creepy thoughts it makes me have.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I want to write an ILX-based screenplay.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:16 (twenty-three years ago)

i seriously thought about it....some sort of novel on the ILX relationships.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

The story of one man and his creative use of Photoshop.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmmm good idea.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 31 October 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

At 12 font, it's a little more than 500 words per page so that makes a total of 100 pages for 50,000 words. With 30 days of writing that means that you could either write 1667 words a day (everyday) or even better 4 pages a day and you don't have to write on 5 of the 30 days. But 4 pages isn't that much to write in one day. I would estimate if you like to get in the groove of writing you could write about 6-10 pages per day so that means that 13-20 days you don't have to write anything. Is this inaccurate?

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 31 October 2002 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

It's about what happened to me. I think I wrote my one from last year in about half a month...*checks*...18 days. Couple of times I just got the spirit going and wrote two chapters a day.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

It begins. Second chapter and maybe a third tonight.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 2 November 2002 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Go Ned (and anyone else). I'm with you in spirit.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 2 November 2002 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you (Ned) writing it completely cronologically 1st chapter, 2nd chapter, etc. I was wondering if authors often wrote the middle then went back and wrote the beginning and then the end, or something along that line?

― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 2 November 2002 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going chronologically, but you can write it any way you want, I guess! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 2 November 2002 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm gonna try this as well. I started 45 minutes ago, and I'm on 395 words. Which is about 8 a minute I think. I can do 2000 words today I reckon, but might do nothing tomorrow. If I get to 10000 by the end of the week then I'll feel obliged to finish and probably will.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 2 November 2002 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I had to write scenes out of order sometimes when I was waiting to finish some research to look something up, or just as a way to deal with block -- I don't know if I'd normally do that, but it was a good way to deal with "shit, I know what happens two chapters from now, but not next."

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 2 November 2002 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to say the samething Eyeball Kicks is saying.
I started yesterday and am on about 2000 now, and if i make the 10000 mark by next saturday I'll finish it.

― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 2 November 2002 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

And chapter number two is up...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 November 2002 07:26 (twenty-three years ago)

And three and four. This is getting all the more ridiculous as I go, and I'm glad of it!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I like your's a lot so far.

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 03:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, Ned's is fun. He is wasted on the world of reserves!

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Aw, thanks. :-) If I can maintain the pace, I'm seriously considering going back to revise and expand it and see if I can get around to selling it somehow. It's certainly amusing me! Get ready for some even more strange characters to start showing up, like Frank DiSleazo...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 November 2002 04:03 (twenty-three years ago)

And now chapter five -- featuring implicit cameo by Dan Perry! Sorta.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 November 2002 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Chapter six -- and Gordon finally takes a formal bow.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 November 2002 05:15 (twenty-three years ago)

And now chapters seven and eight -- meet Pegleg!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 November 2002 06:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Chapters nine and ten take us into an elegant meal. Greetings to Frank DiSleazo, Rolf Zangredstein and Still Living Shrimp in Soup.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 November 2002 01:53 (twenty-three years ago)

And headlong into chapters eleven and twelve, wherein more of the core plot is revealed!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 November 2002 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Chapters thirteen and fourteen divulge further motivations and odd situations.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 November 2002 04:26 (twenty-three years ago)

every time i see this thread i start hearing "Ya Mo B There" by James Ingram in my head...

stop it.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 11 November 2002 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry, the TORMENT continues.

Chapters fifteen and sixteen find Gordon getting himself into a bit of a fix.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Chapter seventeen gets things moving towards a final showdown...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 03:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've noticed that over the time of writing on ILE or ILM I have improved my writing skills. As a non-writer, who is not taking any writing classes regularly and having been a horrid writer in the past, I need someplace where I can write something to keep any skill up. As for my NaNoWriMo writing, I'm going strong at 20,000 words, and I have about 10,000 more of ideas, but I may not make the 50,000 mark.

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 14 November 2002 04:56 (twenty-three years ago)

For me (I don't write too often), it's much more draining than I would have expected. I'm pulling things out of who-knows-where. At any rate, It will be close.

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 14 November 2002 05:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Keep at it! Coming up with stuff out of nowhere has helped me in the past.

No chapters today, I just needed a break. More tomorrow, though. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 November 2002 09:19 (twenty-three years ago)

And after a slight break, chapters eighteen, nineteen and twenty -- Gordon's background revealed!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 17 November 2002 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Chapter twenty-one -- the climactic stage is set!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Skipping 6 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

On the web anywhere?

Heheh, good lord no. But, I have some excerpts up (username: afternoon_train). Squeaked by on the last day with 50,322 words.

Hulk...sleepy...

― Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 30 November 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I got too lazy to finish, but a 30,000 word start isn't bad. I like what I wrote a lot, and I think I'll expanded it more and take more time to try and make it really good.

― A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 1 December 2002 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...

Re-VIVE. Who's doing it this year? Month and a half away.

I'm leaning very strongly towards it. I did it in 2001, finished, and have since self-published the thing (and it's doing much better than I thought, given that it's only word of mouth; I can buy a T-shirt that says "I wrote a novel and all I got..."). Skipped it in 2002 because I had too many things on the plate that couldn't be delayed or my rhythm would hop right off my groove thing and shimmy off to the land beyond funkytown.

This year, though, I've got two stories I keep thinking "you know, I probably won't get around to either of these for another year or more unless I were to drop everything else to work on one."

I'm gonna be out of town for a week in Nov, though, and I think I'm going to have papers to grade. But still.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I should probably try it this year, but I suspect I won't.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to start a new 2003 thread aboot this but wasnt sure if there was some proper time to do so :)

Yep, I'm having another crack at it. Last year I failed miserably, so this year I hope to do somewhat better. I dont know if I'll make 50k words, but I can only try.

I still havent come up with an idea yet tho :(

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

This sounds like a great idea, but November would really be the worst possible time for me as I have to finish about 10 movies and stuff. Oh well. (I do plan to do another "write a feature script in one week!" in December with a friend/writing partner, as we have done twice in the past.)

― s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

My recommendation, after having done it the one time, is if you're worried about your steam or your ideas, pick something episodic -- you know, like Tom Sawyer or Monty Python's Holy Grail, as opposed to Star Wars. Loose overarching plot, more or less just a constant movement towards something with maybe a surprise at the end (every book I read in third grade comes to mind as examples; the Soup and Great Brain series, iow) -- that way, you deal with things in small, bite-sized chunks, instead of the whole kettle. You're less likely to write yourself into a corner, and from talking to friends who started and didn't finish -- I should scroll upthread to see if people mention it being true for them, too -- the biggest reason for getting a good ways in but not all the way was "I wrote and wrote and wrote but then I realized I'd set too many things up and didn't know what happened next."

I've been thinking for awhile that there needs to be a National Write A Short Story Weekend.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm in again, I already have an idea for what to do. I await the day.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I will accede to ILE wishes (since I haven't decided between possibilities): if I have already written the first chapter of something, is it cheating to a) write that for Nanowrimo, or b) start the same idea/story over from scratch, so that I'm not using any of the already-written stuff?

(I think I'm gonna lean towards the space robot idea anyway, which isn't that one; cause, dude, SPACE ROBOT.)

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Think of a new story as an alternate universe space robot.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, hang on, I gotta get into character as an alternate universe space robot.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

A write a short story weekend would be EASY. I could do one in a day if I had to (it would so not be good though!)

Tep those are some good ideas actually, thanks! It helps. I want to go home and write. I'm not having a good day today *sigh*

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

A write a short story weekend would be EASY. I could do one in a day if I had to (it would so not be good though!)

See, exactly. Everyone can do it, it's just easy to not get around to doing so.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Tell me about it! When I broke nanowrimo down into days, it really did seem easy... it wasnt the volume, it was the discipline. And from memory Shit Happened last year that kinda dampened my initial entusiasm. This year me and my boyfriend are both tackling it, so we'll be egging each other on - I see good things afoot :D

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

And here -- not there, I ... assume ... -- it's the month of Thanksgiving, too, which generally means one or two days that need to be off, and often means Christmas shopping ... yeah, I seem to remember them explaining why they picked November, but I don't remember if it kept me from wanting to hit them in the head with grapes.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

For me the challenge is to see if I can complete before Thanksgiving -- done it both times. I always start off fairly slow, a basic 2000 a day, but after a while everything kicks in and I'm knocking off two or three chapters a day.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

This time I shall finish my 2001 novel! But, I shall probably be studying again, so I might not get the chance to write. Unless I start now.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but what makes you
think anyone will read it?
I ask this because

I started a thread
with a link to my novel
and then...nothing.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

oh hell, I don't particularly want people to read it!

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Jel that wasn't just
for you in particular
but for all on thread

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, sorry, I was just thinking I might've sounded defensive...but the way I see things like this and the creative process in general is that you'll never get off the ground if you start worrying about the audience. So, I guess I would use NaNoWriMo as a kick-start.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

People will come, Ray. People will come.

Anyway, Hai -- I don't remember your thread, but I'll admit I have trouble reading long things online (which is funny, given the ebooks I'm putting out; okay, not very funny). This time around, you can put it through CafePress, and people would have the option to get it in hardcopy (although it isn't cheap for them, but it's free for you) ...

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I've had good response from both the ones I did so far and am still quietly pursuing some publishing options, and at the least it's a good exercise in breaking writer's block.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the one I did, I said up front "I don't care if anyone ever reads this or likes it, I just have to make sure I actually know how to tell stories that take many words to write" (a short story I nearly always write in a single sitting, so this was a concern, since short stories are fine if you want to treat yourself to an ice-cream cone, but dick and flick for anything practical).

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It is pretty clear that the point of NaNoWriMo isn't to write anything good but rather to get around to writing anything at all.

― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but when you write
something freakin' amazing
(like my online thing)

and nobody reads it
anyway, it hurts. for me,
no NaNoWriMo.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to do this, and I will as long as I'm not too mixed up in moving. I've been meaning to try and write for a long time, I haven't written anything fictional since middle school and I want to see if I can do it, and this is exactly what I need, some kind of deadline. I don't work well without a deadline. Now all I need is an idea. I've got a month and half to come up with an idea. Alright. But I'm totally in on this. Awesome.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Excellent! (Haikunym, I'm sorry you're not doing it, but I do grok the reason.)

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

wow re-reading this
I come off as Whiny Whine!
(not far from the truth)

reconsidering
my rash statement as we speak;
maybe, maybe nott

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

you guys are making me want to do this!

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

oh come on teeny
you know you really want to
the first one is free

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I think something the length of a novel is too long for me to read online; my eyes just aren't up to it (esp after a long day of work).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

print it out at work

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

You gotta do it, teeny.

Also, Hai (and anyone else, really): I've found people have been more willing/eager to read my stuff when it's available in chunks. I ended up putting my Nanowrimo novel online chapter by chapter; so people were only reading a bit at a time, and seemed cool with that. Although the people who really liked it ended up printing it out, or asking for a hardcopy, etc. But even so: much more response than if I'd shot them a link to 50K words all in a wad.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

(An easy way to do this: blog/livejournal/etc.)

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

here's another: http://192.168.100.254/be/Novel/Sanchez (damn, the kid is SHAMELESS) (and non-haiku-ish, too, apparently)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

here's another: http://www.brainevent.com/be/Novel/Sanchez (damn, the kid is SHAMELESS) (and non-haiku-ish, too, apparently)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy crap, for a minute I thought that was 247 chapters.

Bookmarked! I've got work today, but I'll start it soon.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

possibly it would not be sensible if i joined in

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Bump. Trying to keep this on the new answers page, at least the super-duper drum solo Iron Butterfly version, till the blessed event.

Context-free, because context is for communists: what's better, fantasy set a very long time ago or science fiction set a very long time from now?

― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, we could bump this, but we would be better off with a NaNoWriMo 2003 thread in specific, yes? ;-) (There's a separate 2001 thread as well in the archives.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah! Doh. I don't know why I'm trying to be thread-economical.

― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

fantasy set a very very long time from now.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 21 September 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

In a galaxy right nearby?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it turns out it's on the dog's collar the whole time!

― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wrote 25,000 words in three weeks. no thanks.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 22 September 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

But now it's over and you can party.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

So has someone or will someone be starting a nano2003 thread? I was going to do so some weeks back but the 2001 and 2002 threads only got started in october so I felt like I was jumping the gun :)

I still dont know wtf I am going to write about :(

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

So has someone or will someone be starting a nano2003 thread?

It'll happen. I figure yeah, wait till October, somebody starts it, the buildup begins. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

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