I am in awe of Mark S

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Well, I am. And he still hasn't sent me a link to his Tolkien essay. You know, it's hard, man, you pluck up courage to email somebody you don't really know, and in front of whom you've already made a bit of a prat of yourself at a FAP, and what do you get? The cold shoulder. The raw prawn. It's bad. It hurts me in my head. Maybe I posted something rude! Maybe I said something about the noise piece and my incomprehension, and he thought I wasn't worth wasting words on. Maybe the LotR essay is up on RFN or FT and I can't find it. I have no idea. Need input. Floundering. AAAAAARGH!

Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 10:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel like Anthony.

Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

mark s works in mysterious ways.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 31 October 2002 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

''You know, it's hard, man, you pluck up courage to email somebody you don't really know, and in front of whom you've already made a bit of a prat of yourself at a FAP''

'It's hard' so what do you do? you post a thread abt it.

mark s is a bloody good bloke but why be in awe?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

deep apologies sam, i am very very behind w.email responses promised and otherwise (and still very very tired, truth be told: i have three weeks of dayjob work to catch up on, plus the final super-urgent rewrite of my village voice xenakis piece all tue eve)

i think i have it on my work computer, in which case you will get it later today, if i don't just fall into a bovine slumber w.my forehead resting on the keyboard

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks a mill Mark - I look forward to it. I didn't mean to chivvy. Whenever you like.

why be in awe?

Isn't it obv?

Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:38 (twenty-three years ago)

''(and still very very tired, truth be told: i have three weeks of dayjob work to catch up on, plus the final super-urgent rewrite of my village voice xenakis piece all tue eve)''

ooh...lovely.

''Isn't it obv?''

*having cofee now*

yes. yes it is.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

**and in front of whom you've already made a bit of a prat of yourself at a FAP**

Uh? I met you at a FAP, Sam (my first), and you certainly weren't a prat at that one! (I prolly WAS, but then I usually am).

Shamefacedly - I owe you an apology Sam, I found a few days ago, when I was clearing out my archive, an e-mail from you asking for some advice about music for your wedding. For some reason (i.e I'm crap) I didn't get around to replying immediately and forgot about it. So, belatedly - sorry!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 31 October 2002 12:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd be amazed to find anyone who's been here a while who isn't in awe of Mark S.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi Martin!

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:08 (twenty-three years ago)

oh stop it! i wd rather read momus on why mark s suXoRs than all of this!!

btw when i sent out that tolk piece to whoever got it i wanted VERY EXTREMELY CRITICAL FEEDBACK!! only dr vick complied
(haha except also my dad said of one section "it does go on a bit")

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

sink the sinker u imperialist capdoffin xenakisprocrastinatin worksnoozin syntaxcorrectin YOU ENEMISE PURITY AND MUST BE ABSTRACTED FROM THE CAPITALIST CORNMARKET INTO ARCADES OF ALTOS but not in a dodgy bedroom in vauxhall wiv the neighbour tellin larry stabbins to shut the fuck up

Ben What's On?, Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Dr C - I'm very glad you told me that. I was beginning to feel a bit of an email pariah. No worries anyway - I forged ahead with CD-R's which then turned out not to be needed in the end.


Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

i do actually appear by name in one of bw's aka out to lunch's poems, which reads not unlike that!!

if he ever did arrive on ilxor i wd post the text of the angry letter he sent me after my review of mark prenderg*st's book on ambient, which is the most psychotic bit of hatemail i've ever received from someone who i get on quite well with in person!! (or indeed, ever from anyone)

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

sam i sent it to chirombo3000: say hi to the other 2999 chirombos for me

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:29 (twenty-three years ago)

YOU ENEMISE PURITY

Crass reunion album title.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 October 2002 13:31 (twenty-three years ago)

but why be in awe of anyone? he's just another person (not a bad thingy).

anyway:

''if he ever did arrive on ilxor i wd post the text of the angry letter he sent me after my review of mark prenderg*st's book on ambient''

i thought he would've hated that book as well.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks mark!

Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio I am in awe of everyone. I don't want to seem silly to people I don't really know by bugging them with emails. Worrying overly about what people think of you is a kind of awe, I think. And it's something I've thankfully mostly grown out of, but I get the old paranoia occasionally.

But while we're on the subject of people writing things or saying they're going to write things, did Marcello ever write anything about Clockwork Orange, as he threatened to the other day?

Sam (chirombo), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, nathalie has a draft of my thoughts on c. orange; it's still in the church of me in-tray waiting to be knocked into shape. i have urgent write-ups to do for both wire and uncut this weekend so it might have to wait a bit longer. remind me again if it's not up by this time next week.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

oh stop it! i wd rather read momus on why mark s suXoRs than all of this!!

Swoon! Somebody up there likes me (to hate him)! Why, then 'Mark S suXoRs...' no, I can't say that, it's playing into the hands of the enemy, damn... infernal cunning, mumble mumble, billions of blistering blue barnacles, er, well, 'I AM IN AWE OF MARK S!' (There, that should piss him off, heh heh heh...)


Momus (Momus), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello, will you read my Scotland [Part 1] thing up on Shazam! now and tell me what you think. I'd like mark to but his computer goes wonky with Shazam! and he's dead busy, so, err, chiz chiz. Also.

Hi Martin!

david h (david h), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, Momus you could read it too third entry down. Cf. yr Edin fest rant. Kinda.

david h (david h), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I misread this thread as I am in awe of jel, haha!

mark is cool.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not in awe of him.

He's good though.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)

N.'s better.

david h (david h), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm glad to see he's adopting the Ewing Method of Inbox Management.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

sadly i am also dead busy at the mo (or even dead and busy, hah!) so i've only managed to speed-read david h's piece so far. i will get back to you later about it.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

David, were you looking for stylistic analysis? I found it evocative but a little uncomfortable to read, somehow. It was in a shifty place between prose and poetry. It seems to be trying a little too hard to reach for effects, with the result that the reader gets tripped up and loses the flow somewhat in the syntactical tangle.

'work’s end, when Scotland is winding itself into the crib of its television guarded couch,' for instance. Television-guarded (should be hyphened), meaning the couch is guarded by the television? The couch is also a crib? Scotland, the nation, is winding itself into the couch? Like a baby in swaddling clothes? I struggle a bit to piece the extended metaphor together, and meanwhile I've lost the pace of the prose and have to catch the next bus, if you see what I mean!

Hope this helps.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Dead busy my A, with yr 'quietly devastating' this, and yr 'quietly devastating' that, hoggin' up all the sticker space away from Mojo - c'mere, ah'm gonna batter yer, ah'm gonna batter yr...

david h (david h), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-three years ago)

that sentence is as clear as pie mollusc, I don't know what yr talking about.

david h (david h), Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

alain resnais suits you better than james ellroy.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 31 October 2002 14:58 (twenty-three years ago)

teehee

david h (david h), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

It's your alain resnais suits youbette.

Graham (graham), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

???

David H(owie) (David H(owie)), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno what that means Graham.

Also, just googled Alain Resnais (I never knew who he was) and - I never knew you noticed...

David H(owie) (David H(owie)), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

never mind

Graham (graham), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, i don't mind.

David H(owie) (David H(owie)), Thursday, 31 October 2002 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I got it, Graham: it was funny.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 31 October 2002 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i got it too

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 31 October 2002 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

It was K-FUNNY!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't GET IT

david h (david h), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

hi mark im not in awe of you.
sorry.
i do think you are funny though, and clever, and i love the pictures.
just cant do the awe thing.

donna (donna), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Aw!

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 31 October 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

mark- just picked the latest issue of wire.

very nice with yr ILM- 'influenced' comments there.

so you edited the mag from 101-12?? and they sound really interesting (too bad abt bjork cover). pity most of them have gone 4 evah. would've liked to have seen you sister robot.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

try ebay!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

(N., I made that joke on another thread already.)

David: Imagine Graham's post as the hook to a Missy Elliott song.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

''try ebay!!''

hehe...but they sell it for a billion squid over deh!

i've nevah bough anything over the interweb (don't trust it) but if i get over it i'll give it a go.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

i met mark s for a coffee once, i was nervous, babbled on and smoked cigarettes in a small loud cafe in london located to a theatre. whilst waiting i was nervously scribbling down thoughts and listening to mobile ringtones (unfortunately, it was very dull). mark s called out to me in a small quizzical voice as i went up to order my third cup of coffee. "paul?". I turn around with a cup of coffee as he was on his 17th beer and very drunk, snorting cocaine and chatting effortlessly to thurston moore about the beauty of hear'say. as i was about to turn around, he said "i hope you don't mind but i invited kym marsh to the meeting". it was glamorous, kym convinced mark to start spelling his name myrk and we laughed throughout the evening. though, unfortunately i did not not sleep with him or kym marsh.

however, my awe was not sufficient enough to warrant another meeting with mark s and i never heard from him again.. i often thought about the meeeting and realised, that when he shouted "YOU WERE NOT SUFFICIENTLY AWED" i knew that i would never see him again.

and the he weaved great majick and i thought i was now talking to a) philip k. dick or b) a friendly science teacher. it was glamorous.

doom-e, Thursday, 31 October 2002 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

paul we shd def meet up again!! i shall cut down my coke abuse this time i promise, and keep kym in check

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

was jack there too?

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

it's a priority, myrk! we have to....

i'm in writing demon frenzy at the moment and need to hang with fellow oddballs local 1223 to be properly understood.

i'm going to cambridge for the weekend, HEAVEN KNOWS WHY, ostensibly to meet people, but my forays in socialising with the english who are weirdos, is notoriously awful but i am reassured by sophie that it won't be like, though, she did say, well, the last time we went socialising, it was purdy bad. i.e. met her childhood friend and friend of the childhood friend who is a nhs manager and we wuz bored silly as the nhs manager pretended the 'body world' exhibition wasnt a big freak show but an art exhibit, then sat in in brick lane for bad currie (no, not momus) and bad 'office humour' until everyone was uncomfortable with the nhs manager, and sophie, sniped at me, i left, got home to find sophie in tears on the steps, thinking that the nhs manager was belittling her. i took off my scarf and went "errr...sophie, she was heavily boring, most wanting to dyke it with yer friend and insecure of us' they don't take kindly to bohemians, the middle class, you see. "oh no OH NO WHERE IS THE DISHWASHER, THE KIDS, THE CAR, THE BENTLEY, THE LUXURY FLAT IN CHELMSFORD"....sigh, i will see if i survive and we def. should book a time. argh. i used the word, book. i never did that until i moved to england. help me, please.

i am in brixton at the moment. could we meet up there? i love brixton. very creative mad ghetto place.

doom-e, Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

sure (unless "at the moment" means later this evening, which is, uh, booked) (by buffy)

next week wd be cool

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

next week would be brilliant, it's in stockwell, a portguese cafe, good coffe, no hassle and quiet, either that or the british museum, where, curiously, is where sophie and i usually go for coffee and make out, of course (hahaha).

the cafe is brilliant. low-key, nice, mad, bohemian. i am doing good work there at the moment and want to show you it.

doom-e, Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

...show you it.

the cafe, not the writing, nor my penis, and i don't care how much kym asks...

doom-e, Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

we can work out the day here and do the time in secret via email. never got to meet marcello but that's ok..., he will hate me as i am not an intellectual. any weekday preferably after 530 though it can be later as i will just sit in the cafe and write.

doom-e, Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

tue/wed best for me i think, from 6-ish

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

tuesday will be good for me. i think i am reviewing the apples in stereo show, wednesday??? i dunno. so tuesday it is. 6 will be good. i will meet you at six at the stockwell tube station? this, of course, is too encourage any stalking, as it is my goal to be killed, but if a potential stalker is thinking of doing same, please wait until after i am published, then we will both be guaranteed infamy. sigh, i was hoping maybe it would be the washington sniper that will do me in but i did not buy my plane ticket in time and was worried about not being able to cue up the beth gibbons cd for my death scene.

doom-e, Thursday, 31 October 2002 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Threads like this are a good way to prevent ILE confusions by imposing stereotypes. Every Mark S message I've seen today I've thought, "I know who this is - it's the awesome guy".

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 31 October 2002 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

He has MASSIVE BRANE and BIG KNOLLEDGE and sees right to the central issues of everything very quickly - yet seems almost endlessly polite and patient and non-arrogant in his dealings with those of us who are like Winnie The Pooh in comparison.
That's deserving of something close to awe, I think.

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 1 November 2002 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)

seems almost endlessly polite and patient and non-arrogant in his dealings

Except when he tells me to GO BACK AND RE-READ HIS POSTS!

Hey, I'll be in London for a week at the end of November, I'd like a tete a tete too! Can we go somewhere very arty, Mark, like the Photographer's Gallery cafe or the Design Museum or something?

Momus (Momus), Friday, 1 November 2002 04:22 (twenty-three years ago)

mark owes me an email. so i hate him.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 1 November 2002 04:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark did you get the postcard I sent you? (I really hope not, as it is rather stupid, but I was in L.A. and I was bored and needed something to do)

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 1 November 2002 05:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Ahem, the truth is found, ILX has found something to believe in!

He seems like a real good bastard, though I prefer a trinity approach to ILX awe. In the name of father Tom and the Mark S-on and er... ever present holy spirit Ned. Satan = Perry obv.

Kiwi, Friday, 1 November 2002 06:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Sink-ahhhhh! How I Wrote Salmagundi Man!

Still haven't seen the ILXesque Wire thing but Kate was raving about it yesterday during our Keep Yourself Fitter/hairdye session so must peruse (though as I live across the street from the big Magma ohyesdesignartwankporn/magazine shop my excuse is what, exactly?)

Am thinking of doing an FAP as rather conveniently I happen to live over a pub we all seemed to like at earler FAP, so do we do this when Jet-Trash Eye-Patch is in town, or what? And Doomie better come just to prove to everyone he's just sooooo not the Antichrist?

suzy (suzy), Friday, 1 November 2002 07:58 (twenty-three years ago)

y'know i could similarly do tues-wed next week as all next month's reviews will have been done by then - and also i live in streatham so stockwell is v. handy for me - but mark has a strange aversion to the idea of all three of us being in the same room at the same time for reasons wch he will not disclose to me.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 1 November 2002 08:24 (twenty-three years ago)

seems almost endlessly polite and patient and non-arrogant in his dealings

Ha Ha!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 1 November 2002 10:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark S is a psued.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 1 November 2002 10:34 (twenty-three years ago)

the key word is "almost" jerry DO YOU SEE!!

nick c, yes that would be nice: i like the photographers gallery
marcello, i will check with doom-e: i believe he is still keen to meet you
anthony, i know i am rubbish forgive me
justyn, i did — thank you, in fact thank you everybody who wz supportive and stuff when i wz caught up in family travails, the pressure has eased for a while and my mum is def better presently, tho still quite frail
pete = k-korrekt obv

mark s (mark s), Friday, 1 November 2002 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

so you edited the mag from 101-12?? and they sound really interesting (too bad abt bjork cover). pity most of them have gone 4 evah. would've liked to have seen you sister robot.

Like I said, they have ring bookbound copies here [=media department library], so try yours.

Graham (graham), Friday, 1 November 2002 10:56 (twenty-three years ago)

and the British Library would have them.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 1 November 2002 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)

and Julio, being a postgrad you should have absolutely no difficulty in getting stuff from the BL.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 1 November 2002 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, have been there but it didn't occur to me to try it. thanks graham and jel.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 1 November 2002 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

They only go back to issue 134 circa 1994 here. I'll have to ask if they've got older ones somewhere.

Graham (graham), Friday, 1 November 2002 13:36 (twenty-three years ago)

(N., I made that joke on another thread already.)

I am no longer in awe of myself.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 1 November 2002 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

a 9 is a classic i'm the master who you askin?

gareth (gareth), Friday, 1 November 2002 14:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Ssshhhh!!! You shouldn't advertise these meetups so loudly, or some BAD PERSON with a BOMB could possibly wipe out the heart and brain of IL* for evah!

Fitter, happier, hair-dyed, vegetables consumed... and then I ruined it all by eating big bar of chocolate today to get energy for live interview with Radio Belfast.

FAP's @ DOY = scary, unless of course I can run upstairs and hide.

kate, Friday, 1 November 2002 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't care if someone blows me up with a bomb, it would solve a lot of my problems.

(obv only as long as no one else was hurt by the bomb i'm not that selfish)

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 1 November 2002 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

it would be good for me, as i would be the sad, lone picture in the biography - the life and times of the now dead mark s. caption: last seen with an internet friend, Doom-e (hopefully i will get a good picture and not my graduation picture whereas i looked like a transvestite) and then after - my body in the rumble. The rights to the pictures over Myrk S's body being hotly disputed and surfacing only on shifty internet sites, highly doctored. There is a thread that causes great grief - Myrk S's dead body pics - classic or dud.

marcello you can come....i would like it - myrk has the "real" address...

doom-e, Friday, 1 November 2002 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

And Doomie better come just to prove to everyone he's just sooooo not the Antichrist?


Suzy, in all honesty, you one of the coolest people i met. We had all out war. We met up at a club. We got on. Verry coool....i deserved nothing....and you were very chilled out - in marked difference to something that i had experienced that was very bad and horrible. i was on an egroup. a a and r jerk was on the egroup. i made a valid point. to this day i have the egroup people snarling at me because i made a honest observation. as i related to mark s, the whole experience was disturbing and forever referenced in the file marked 'music industry twats' but suzy you were cool and kate by default.

just had to get that outta of my head.

c'ya.

and i am the anti-christ, or at least an imitation of christ.

doom-e, Friday, 1 November 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

In the name of father Tom and the Mark S-on and er... ever present holy spirit Ned.

I'll go with that. :-) But Mark shouldn't have to die for our sins! That's very rude.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah but as tom cheekily pointed out to me, it's only for three days

mark s (mark s), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

True. You could do it on an extended weekend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 November 2002 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought mark s was just a smart currant bun.

rainy (rainy), Sunday, 3 November 2002 03:12 (twenty-three years ago)


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