Does naive = stupid?

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Partially to follow up Ronan's question and partially because in the press reporting of the Cherie Blair mularkey I have seen many commentators equating the two. Perhaps as a lawyer / judge naivity could be inappropriate. But I find it odd that the two are put together as obvious bedfellows.

(Is pretending to be naive when we knew what was going on all along really, really clever).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Obviously not.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm...

Take the character ROSE from the Golden Girls.
She was naive, right?
But I think we could also say she wasn't very bright.

I think naivete=innocent for young folks and stupid for older folks.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's fair enough for an adult to be naive in certain matters (we can't all be expert at everything) but it's a bit worrying if a judge exhibits naivety in matters of judgement.

Gordon (Gordon), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

naive, stupid, unintelligent, uneducated and dumb are NOT all the same thing. not at all. the end result may be the same, but the causes and variations are very, very different, and should not be confused.

kate, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

naive, stupid, unintelligent, uneducated and dumb are NOT all the same thing. not at all. the end result may be the same, but the causes and variations are very, very different, and should not be confused.

Amen, Kate. I know of extremely well educated folk that sometimes make (what I call) silly decisions. However, this is only my opinion; that does not mean they are necessarily stupid. Based on how a person talks, they might come across as being "uneducated". Still, they may be really smart, in terms of life matters.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

naive, stupid, unintelligent, uneducated and dumb are NOT all the same thing. not at all. the end result may be the same, but the causes and variations are very, very different, and should not be confused.

Amen, Kate. I know of extremely well educated folk that sometimes make (what I call) silly decisions. However, that does not mean they are necessarily stupid. Based on how a person talks, they might come across as being "uneducated". Still, they may be really smart, in terms of life matters.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I think naive people are just SO optimistic it negates their better sense.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stupidity, it seems to me, is the persistant inability to generate useful insights from one's knowledge or experience. Naivety is the lack of one or more key pieces of knowledge or experience required for generating a useful insight. Naive people often lack the key information they need because they are actively misled by misinformation.

The worst naivety comes from those beliefs that align with one's internal desires, but are contrary to external facts. Because of the inherent attractiveness of such misinformation, naivety can also be quite persistant. The longer such naivety persists in the face of reality, the more it resembles stupidity. That's why certain beliefs can actually make a smart person permanantly stupid, at least where that belief is concerned.

Aimless, Wednesday, 11 December 2002 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)


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