This all came out in a long stoned conversation recently. I also discovered that he doesn't think I can possibly understand how he feels, because I am "sorted" and have a wife and a nice job. This is due to my amazing luck.
I got annoyed by this because although I do think I am lucky, I don't think it is impossible that I have put quite a bit of work into both my relationship and my job. Indeed, this friend is someone who, years ago, tried to persuade me to give up on the girl who I was in love with, since it was clear that she was a lost cause. She's the one I married. So he's seen my effort of will and knows that things didn't fall into my lap.
I don't really know what it is I'm asking, but there are people who think that believe that everyone else has more luck than them, and that they all know what they want from life, when in fact very few people do. My friend is not depressed, and he's a good mate, but he just moans, and I'm getting fed up. He can't even see that he's on the up, and that all big opportunities come out of little chances like the one he's just got.
Tell me what to tell him, because quite soon I'm going to lose my patience and tell him that the reason is that I'm better-looking and cleverer than him. Also, do you think some people are luckier than others all their lives? I know I sound spoilt, but this sense of inequality in the friendship comes from nowhere but his own head and I'm finding it a bit much.
― Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)
would it be so bad if you actually did say "because i'm better looking and cleverer than you"?, or, at least, something along these lines. ie, "i'm with this girl because i persevered where you would have given up. DOES THIS NOT TELL YOU SOMETHING?" "perhaps this is the same with other things"
it can be easy though to lapse into this unlucky thing, i got unlucky with a couple things at the beginning of this year, then i let that get me down, and i was a bit crap for a while, which seemed to put me in the wrong frame of mind. then i got a bit of luck with finding somewhere and now its all roses in the garden time again (90% of the way anyway)
when things are good, a bit of bad luck matters less.
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)
Of course, I have a song about that. That's how I tend to react - I just write a song about it. I made this really sickeningly happy song about how silly people are who complain all the time.
One time, a friend of mine in college actually sent me an email saying, "Sarah, Please stop writing to me about how great your life is because it makes me depressed." I was genuinely shocked because I never thought I was bragging about anything, just telling her about my every-day life.
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)
i have a friend who tells me about all the good things going on in his life and how this happened then this happened and how it was all so great etc. - he's basically the spawniest person i know (apart from his girlfreidnwho is even worse!) but i know also that he is smart and adept and just good at reacting and getting himself into those positions where he can take advantage of opportunities and even make them. its true that he grew up in somewhat better circumstances then i did (at least on paper) and it used to piss me off because that kind of thing didnt happen in my own life but now i'm happier myself and maturer so i accept it and get on with trying to 'make some luck' for myself as it were
― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)
this is a mix of reality and perception (for most people)
there are always situation in which someone can do something, and someone else could not get away with it. the thing is, why? because different people may do the same thing, but do it differently.
what happens then is, because you realise this is true for certain situations, you become more conscious of it, and you make it happen more and more.
this is what i mean about crapness leading to being unlucky leading to more crapness leading to being more unlucky.
at what point does it become a crutch? at what point does it validate your life? at what point is it an excuse?
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)
the FIRST thing this dude should do is stop smoking herb!
― ron (ron), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)
Steve, I've never had any kind of moral guidance from anyone, though I am a vegetarian. I like Gareth's phrase "can get away with", and it is true that me doing something in a slightly different way/tone/context to how other people do something, but without noticing, is the cause of a lot of problems for me.
― Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)
One of my best friends for years is like your friend x10, sam, and he spends almost all of his time sitting on his ass in his living room smoking mass quantities of dope and complaining about his life, how everyone else's lives are so much better than his, he's been dealt a short hand, etc.
He also managed to blow through a $100k trust fund in three years when I first met him in college, and was working 45 hours a week to keep myself there. Now I'm in grad school and he hasn't gotten his Bachelor's degree since dropping out of undergrad about 8 years ago. True, some are luckier than others. Some just make better decisions than others. However, if someone isn't willing to put in the effort to improve one's lot, luck doesn't have much to do with how crap their life becomes. I sympathize with your frustration; my entire circle of friends feels the same about our above-mentioned resident complainer, and it just gets worse by the year.
― webcrack (music=crack), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― Maria (Maria), Thursday, 12 December 2002 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― ron (ron), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)
I hope it means what I think it does, and I didn't inadvertently imply that you were "On Twenty Mescalines" or "Original Trashcan Material" or "Obsessively Trying Masturbation".
― webcrack (music=crack), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:44 (twenty-three years ago)
i wish someone had laughed at my "tom is TOM" joke recently. (if only it were funny, i guess)
i was thinking of starting a thread where everyone just said that the previous poster was OTM, but it would probably only be amusing to me, and only for a few minutes at that...
― ron (ron), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― webcrack (music=crack), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― ron (ron), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:34 (twenty-three years ago)