I'm Crap vs. I'm Unlucky

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I have a friend who has been dissatisfied with life for as long as I've known him. For a while he had reason to be dissatisfied, in that he wasn't doing what he wanted to do. Now, at last, he is working at a newspaper and has begun to wangle himself some short concert reviews for their website. I don't think he's being paid for these, but it seems to me to be a big leap forward. The problem is that he is still dissatisfied and views himself as unlucky, and thinks he is someone who will never get the opportunity to do what he wants (which is something in comedy, I gather).

This all came out in a long stoned conversation recently. I also discovered that he doesn't think I can possibly understand how he feels, because I am "sorted" and have a wife and a nice job. This is due to my amazing luck.

I got annoyed by this because although I do think I am lucky, I don't think it is impossible that I have put quite a bit of work into both my relationship and my job. Indeed, this friend is someone who, years ago, tried to persuade me to give up on the girl who I was in love with, since it was clear that she was a lost cause. She's the one I married. So he's seen my effort of will and knows that things didn't fall into my lap.

I don't really know what it is I'm asking, but there are people who think that believe that everyone else has more luck than them, and that they all know what they want from life, when in fact very few people do. My friend is not depressed, and he's a good mate, but he just moans, and I'm getting fed up. He can't even see that he's on the up, and that all big opportunities come out of little chances like the one he's just got.

Tell me what to tell him, because quite soon I'm going to lose my patience and tell him that the reason is that I'm better-looking and cleverer than him. Also, do you think some people are luckier than others all their lives? I know I sound spoilt, but this sense of inequality in the friendship comes from nowhere but his own head and I'm finding it a bit much.

Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

well, some people are luckier than others. and, unfortunately, being crap and being unlucky do seem to be kind of linked, because, to an extent, you make your own luck < /football cliche >

would it be so bad if you actually did say "because i'm better looking and cleverer than you"?, or, at least, something along these lines. ie, "i'm with this girl because i persevered where you would have given up. DOES THIS NOT TELL YOU SOMETHING?" "perhaps this is the same with other things"

it can be easy though to lapse into this unlucky thing, i got unlucky with a couple things at the beginning of this year, then i let that get me down, and i was a bit crap for a while, which seemed to put me in the wrong frame of mind. then i got a bit of luck with finding somewhere and now its all roses in the garden time again (90% of the way anyway)

when things are good, a bit of bad luck matters less.

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I do firmly believe (in the most annoying way possible I'm sure) that 'you make your own luck'. I mean yeah, there are good and bad breaks but in the case of your friend it's clearly his attitude that is the problem, not his life. There isn't really much you can tell people when they won't see even a glimmer of silver lining, but 'oh stop moaning' is one simple option.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I keep thinking "I'm not allowed to [do perfectly ordinary thing for everyone else]". What does this say about me?

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree. I've known lots of people with rather crappy lives (at least based on some sort of loose societal standard) who are quite happy with the little things in life.
And then there are some that just say "Life sucks" all the time and make themselves out to be victims in every situation possible. I don't mind the latter if they have a sense of humor about it all. But it can be REALLY draining to be around them when they don't.

Of course, I have a song about that. That's how I tend to react - I just write a song about it. I made this really sickeningly happy song about how silly people are who complain all the time.

One time, a friend of mine in college actually sent me an email saying, "Sarah, Please stop writing to me about how great your life is because it makes me depressed." I was genuinely shocked because I never thought I was bragging about anything, just telling her about my every-day life.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

it suggests you have a feeling that things are somewhat pre-ordained in life Graham, and that concepts such as fate and destiny exist and are in operation - this kind of thinking may be a consequence of a combination of your religious upbringing (assuming you had one of some sort) and a tendency to focus on the negative aspects and personal misfortune in your life. thats how its been with me before i must admit...

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i tend to look at other people's lives and see mainly the good aspects whilst looking at my own life and seeing the bad. this is wrong of course but its something in my psyche and linked to my being stubborn and a perfectionist but also quite lazy, so thinking like that doesnt quite stir me into aciton as much as perhaps it should (tho at least it means i wont turn into Hitler or something)

i have a friend who tells me about all the good things going on in his life and how this happened then this happened and how it was all so great etc. - he's basically the spawniest person i know (apart from his girlfreidnwho is even worse!) but i know also that he is smart and adept and just good at reacting and getting himself into those positions where he can take advantage of opportunities and even make them. its true that he grew up in somewhat better circumstances then i did (at least on paper) and it used to piss me off because that kind of thing didnt happen in my own life but now i'm happier myself and maturer so i accept it and get on with trying to 'make some luck' for myself as it were

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not allowed to [do perfectly ordinary thing for everyone else]

this is a mix of reality and perception (for most people)

there are always situation in which someone can do something, and someone else could not get away with it. the thing is, why? because different people may do the same thing, but do it differently.

what happens then is, because you realise this is true for certain situations, you become more conscious of it, and you make it happen more and more.

this is what i mean about crapness leading to being unlucky leading to more crapness leading to being more unlucky.

at what point does it become a crutch? at what point does it validate your life? at what point is it an excuse?

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

This all came out in a long stoned conversation recently

the FIRST thing this dude should do is stop smoking herb!

ron (ron), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I am mildly interested in the phenomenon of people who are not unlucky in the sense of being born into a poor family, disabled etc. but who just in some probability distribution outlying way miss out on their fair share of the opportunities and nice strokes of luck. Thing is, it would be almost impossible to ascertain that it wasn't just them not 'making their own luck'. My social life and general happiness improved so radically from the age of about 22, through no effort of my own or change in personality that I can pinpoint, that I am inclined just to say that I was 'unlucky' before.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

But you have the Cheekbones Nick.

Steve, I've never had any kind of moral guidance from anyone, though I am a vegetarian. I like Gareth's phrase "can get away with", and it is true that me doing something in a slightly different way/tone/context to how other people do something, but without noticing, is the cause of a lot of problems for me.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

ron is OTM.

One of my best friends for years is like your friend x10, sam, and he spends almost all of his time sitting on his ass in his living room smoking mass quantities of dope and complaining about his life, how everyone else's lives are so much better than his, he's been dealt a short hand, etc.

He also managed to blow through a $100k trust fund in three years when I first met him in college, and was working 45 hours a week to keep myself there. Now I'm in grad school and he hasn't gotten his Bachelor's degree since dropping out of undergrad about 8 years ago. True, some are luckier than others. Some just make better decisions than others. However, if someone isn't willing to put in the effort to improve one's lot, luck doesn't have much to do with how crap their life becomes. I sympathize with your frustration; my entire circle of friends feels the same about our above-mentioned resident complainer, and it just gets worse by the year.

webcrack (music=crack), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I knew someone exactly like this, who really had an awful lot going for them, but who kept moaning and moaning repeatedly about how much their life sucked, and how nothing good was bound to come out of anything they tried. Well, yeah, nothing much good DID come out of it because the attitude going into anything was totally defeatist and created losing conditions. Why would someone hire you when you were convince they weren't going to before you even went for the interview? I do believe that people influence their own "luck".

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

some people are definitely more lucky, getting born with money and looks and no disabilities and stuff. but i think being happy is something you make for yourself and is not a matter of luck AT ALL.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 12 December 2002 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)

12/11/2002 - someone said i was OTM for the first time ever!! haha i've been waiting for so long for this day! ;-) thanks webcrack!!

ron (ron), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

my pleasure.

I hope it means what I think it does, and I didn't inadvertently imply that you were "On Twenty Mescalines" or "Original Trashcan Material" or "Obsessively Trying Masturbation".

webcrack (music=crack), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:44 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, all those!! actually i was just thinking that both "on the money" and "off the mark" could be legit interp's

i wish someone had laughed at my "tom is TOM" joke recently. (if only it were funny, i guess)

i was thinking of starting a thread where everyone just said that the previous poster was OTM, but it would probably only be amusing to me, and only for a few minutes at that...

ron (ron), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

The TOM joke was quite funny, actually

webcrack (music=crack), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:12 (twenty-three years ago)

you are my new best friend

ron (ron), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I think a certain amount of bad luck can certainly be conquered, but at the same time it really can erode confidence. Not self-esteem, necessarily, but when you've had enough bad luck you stop trying. I know I'm a bit like that. When your failure rate has always been higher than your success rate, why would you want to put yourself out there again? And I know that keeps me from the things I want out of life, but honestly sometimes I just don't know if I could stand to be the recipient of any more bad luck. I'm not strong enough.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 12 December 2002 04:34 (twenty-three years ago)


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