Great Plan of US Govt. - Fulfill Nightmarish Orwellian Future

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US eyes Big Brother plan

BBC Washington correspondent Justin Webb reports on a Pentagon project looking into ways of monitoring everything everyone does, as part of its war against terror.

In the film Minority Report, Tom Cruise heads a futuristic police team who have the technology to spot people who intend to commit serious crimes before the crime itself takes place.
The premise might seem far-fetched but it could be closer than we think.

In the Pentagon in Washington, a team is working on plans to collect as much information about every single aspect of everyone in America as they can.

This includes everything from doctor's records to bank deposits, e-mail to travel tickets, phone conversations to magazine subscriptions.

The reason, according to the Under Secretary of Defense Pete Aldridge, is to catch people intending to carry out terrorist crimes.

"The bottom line is that this is an important research project to determine the feasibility of using certain transactions and events to discover and respond to terrorists before they act."

Willing public

Backers of the project, known as Total Information Awareness, admit that it sounds Orwellian.

This is a technology-intensive approach that assumes if you have enough data you can produce clear conclusions

Mark Rotenberg, Epic
A reluctant supporter of the Pentagon's plans is Frank Gaffney, a former assistant defence secretary.

He says that it would only take one more terrorist attack and public support is assured.

"At that point there will not only be a willingness to submit to those sorts of infringement but a demand that they be infringed upon in the hope of trying to protect us.

"If there were no war on terror, this is not something that we would want to do."

Not everyone though is convinced, particularly since the man heading the Pentagon team has a dubious past.

Hi-tech doubts

Total Information Awareness is the baby of Admiral John Poindexter.


Pentagon has been rebuilt since the attacks

As an adviser to former President Reagan, he sold arms to Iran and using the money to fund the Nicaraguan contras.

Most opponents, though, focus on the wider question of what Admiral Poindexter is trying to achieve and how likely it is to fail.

Mark Rotenberg monitors government attempts at surveillance and snooping. He believes hi-tech solutions are often the ones with the highest rate of failure.

"This is a technology-intensive approach that assumes if you have enough data you can produce clear conclusions," he said.

"We went through a period of time recently in Washington with the sniper attacks when everyone was looking for a white truck.

"We could have had a computer database running profiles of every white truck owner in the country to try to decide which of them was the sniper. In fact, the answer was that none of them were."

The white van was found to be a false lead in the infamous Washington sniper case.

In the film Minority Report things go horribly wrong with the system.

Many in Washington are predicting that this real-life scheme, if it ever got off the ground, would lead to hi-tech chaos and failure.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I think that last sentence says it all. When you've got folks from the intelligence crew saying they're already worried about all the traffic they're supposed to be monitoring and knowing they're missing things, the chance of this being anything other than an idiotic boondoggle that goes down in flames is slim...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:25 (twenty-three years ago)

"In the film Minority Report things go horribly wrong with the system" - actually this isn't true; in the movie a person (does Max Von Sydow still count as a person?) gets away with a murder as a result of the system, but otherwise Washington D.C. is murder-free. Considering that people (alot more than just one guy also) get away with murder today, and plenty of murders still occur (especially in Washington D.C.), I don't think it's easy to say the system went 'horribly wrong'. This hardly means I'd support instituting such a system. The notion that privacy can coexist with technology is a little naive - there's nothing suggested here that can't be and isn't already being done by the private sector (in other words the present is plenty Orwellian enough). It might be noted also that the two biggest critics of the war on terror's eroding of privacy rights came from the hard right - Dick Armey and Bob Barr - and that they're both lame ducks.

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and NRA & ACLU to thread!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 December 2002 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

The more data that gets collected as a matter of course the less likely it is that significant things will get noticed, surely?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 12 December 2002 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I think in marketing terms even the private-sector data collection James B is talking about is pretty much a fad - companies are doing it because they can, not because it makes much meaningful difference to their bottom line. (Which doesn't make it any less of a bad thing).

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 12 December 2002 08:08 (twenty-three years ago)

cage of rats to thread.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 12 December 2002 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

they already have a camera installed in my grandma's ass

Queen G (Queeng), Thursday, 12 December 2002 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)


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