where exactly are shoreditch/hoxton, and dalston/kingsland

Hoxton covers the area north of Old Street to the top of Hoxton Street and no further east than Hackney Road; Shoreditch has the warehouse/ex-pub architecture and includes the estate around Arnold Circus. I call the area west of Pitfeld Street part of St Luke's; it seems distinct from Hoxton. Brick Lane is part of Spitalfields and Spitalfields ends when E1 switches to E2 on street signs, eg. near the beigel bake. East of Brick Lane is Stepney (southeast) or Bethnal Green (northeast).

Kingsland can't start until you get North of Beauvoir Square - I think it's Kingsland Road and East thereof between that square and the Balls Pond Road, maybe even up to the station.

Can we pin down the distinction between Shacklewell, which has little more existence than Haggerston, and Stoke Newington? I ask because my girlf lives in Stoke Newington, but it's a close thing - Evering Road as the divider, maybe? Do we need a thread on areas people never refer to in directions, or live in?

also, whats the ku with all these disappearing places?

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but they're getting rid of Shoreditch tube station (is it actually in Shoreditch anyway?) so maybe you're back to square one there

I presume it was quite a wide area, because apparently Henry VIII used to stay in a place by Newington Green. And King Henry's Walk is obviously where he'd take his strolls.

Shacklewell may be disappearing (I presume it's just Shacklewell Rd basically now) but I think it's one of the longer established settlements in the area. Haven't got my old Stokey and area map on me at the mo to check though.

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I guess estate agents are going to describe anywhere remotely near as Stokey, but in reality where does Stoke Newington end and Stamford Hill start?

And the East Bank sorting office calls itself Stoke Newington too.

interestingly, essex road wasnt called this then, the southern part was called "lower street" and the northern part was also part of balls pond road (at this time holloway road was called highgate road)

Suzy, if South East of Brick Lane = Stepney, where's Whitechapel? (Also Brick Lane / Spitalfields = site of the Whitechapel murders, yesno?)

i made it myself cos i am sad, shhhh

That would be because of the Henry VIII Newington Green thing. (He stayed there and then went on his hunting sorties around the King's Land.)

brick lane has never traditionally been shoreditch. this misnomer only arose in the past century, because the shoreditch tube station was mysteriously built in spitalfields. i wonder how many of these neighbourhood names have been altered/created/disappeared because of tube station naming...

kingsland was originally much larger, Beauvoir is a modern (for london) development within said neighbourhood.

(yes, my crazy old landlady was obsessed with hoxton/shoreditch, despite the fact she was transplanted there from hampshire... she had survey maps of the locality dating back to the 1700's. i used to stare at them for hours, intrigued by how the neighbourhood changed... especially post-WWII)

also, shoreditch park, is way up by the canal, in what i would have called hoxton, and not shoreditch, but then i suppose this could have been to do with the old borough of shoreditch

i wouldn't call rosemary branch hoxton, it's JUST on the wrong side of the canal by about ten feet. but it's in that weird triangle around the new north road that isn't quite islington but isn't quite hoxton either. (though they seem to think of themselves as hoxton for some reason or other.)

It always makes me laugh when I pass the Northgate now. I get the impression it's a bit of a gastro pub now but when we were there it was the Dog & Dumpling and it was FUCKING AWFUL. So bad it was funny.

hey, my old flat is almost right in the centre, though. ::shudders::

Unless, of course, you travel from Penge to Dalston on a regular basis, in which case its a lifesaver.

similarly, the Silverlink already connects Willesden Junction with Islington, Dalston etc. so why bother extending the ELL that way too, on the same track? tho it looks like Primrose Hill might get its own tube station which is kinda cool

Cobbling together a new 'tube' line mostly from existing overground track is cheap(er) but still ends up looking like some kind of prestigious grand scheme?

It always makes me laugh when I pass the Northgate now

bit further up than the row of shops, but yes, the northgate is my local, and yes, it is now a gastropub, i heard about its former life...

i knew it was anyway, but usually i just go down either kingsland or new north road, not actually into it. theres a lot of it too! i always thought of it as trustafarians and slumming it designers at the bottom with locals at the top, which i guess is true, but i hadnt realised how much 'top' there is. all the wasteground around the colville estate and a bit further down, looks really fucking dodgy. i can only assume that when people mean 'hoxton' they actually mean either shoreditch, or a few yards in any direction from hoxton park? because it gets grim pretty quickly when you go north!

the office next to hers had a great impenetrable steel door, so the burglars went through the breezeblock wall with hammers

south towards the city and west towards barbican are no comparison