I Wd like tips on keeping expensive knives sharp

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i think i probably take the edge totally off them the very first time i try and sharpen them

mark s (mark s), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't use them. (This may not be helpful advice.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

("expensive" is a bettah adj actually, as i ph34r to coff up when i don't know how to care for em)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

*stabs d.perry in frenzy but w/o effect as knife is rub*

mark s (mark s), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

If the blade is perpendicular to the grinding stone, you're not sharpening it right.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Like it says in this article - 20 degree angle on an oiled grinding stone.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy........

http://www.chefknivestogo.com/carforyourkn1.html

C J (C J), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I would really like to learn how to keep my knives (okay, knife) sharp. I bought an electric sharpner and butchered (as it were, ha ha) my only decent knife with it. I don't recommend one of them.

(The homeless x-Marine is farting out loud again.*)

*Not terrorist code!

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 16 December 2002 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I just posted this on the how do you know if someone is a good cook thread, there are links on it there.

Tips for keeping knives sharp: get a whetstone, medium grit (1000 grit). The catering supplies shop on Shaftesbury Avenue should do you one or Nisbet's have this one. I can't use a steel effectively, I always end up blunting the knife. A whetstone gives you much more control over the angle you sharpen at. Guide rails can help you get a perfect finish.

The quality of the steel used in making the knife affects the quality and longevity of the sharpened edge. Also too much bad sharpening in the past can destroy your knives' ability to hold and edge so choose your sharpening tool wisely.

Ed (dali), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

C J that site is brilliant.

Ed (dali), Monday, 16 December 2002 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Dunno where you are but there was an item on Radio 4's food programme a few weeks ago where they visted a specialist knife shop in London, who offered a knife sharpening service, i'm sure there'll be something on the Radio 4 website about it.

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 10:24 (twenty-three years ago)

buy yourself one of those knife-sharpening contraptions made by k-tel that looks a bit like a telephone! er, i remember the ad from the 1970s (k-tel probably doesn't even exist any more).

rener (rener), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 11:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Knives only stay sharp if they are regularly lubricated. This can often be done by the juices of whatever you are cutting but I find Humang Blood is best for this.

Does anyone have any specialist tips on keeping machettes sharp?

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

You know that bit during Who Will Buy in Oliver! when the knife grinder comes in and starts singing "knives, knives to grind". Why do we not have knife grinders anymore?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Because you can buy a new sharp knife in Ikea for £2.99.

Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

So is Mark Bittman talking out of his ass when he says that whetstones are no good? I have no idea how to handle knives, I am a knife naif.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Knife naif nouveau!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

My flatmate sharpened our knives recently and my God they got sharp. I remember someone telling me that the flash 'swish swish' fast movement was a load of arse and for best results one should do it slowly and firmly all the way along the length of the blade.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Seriously though, whetstone or electric knife sharpener? I have been waffling over what to get (when I have money one far-off day).

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

My flatmate sharpened our knives recently and my God they got sharp.

I too would want to make sure I had sharp knives handy if N. were my flatmate. For when the Nicole Kidman discussions got out of hand.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

WHETSTONE

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I am disgusted by a link I followed from CJ's link, which suggests that a wet hone is inferior to a dry one. Does she want to make nonsense of the children's classic "There's a Hole In the Bucket"? I for one intend on teaching it to my children as-is.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

The idea of Tracer Hand schooling his young ones in anything is bemusing, if only because I'm trying to imagine him being all fatherly in a Hugh Beaumont stylee.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

what kind of knives are they, mark? i was round someone's house the other day and picked up one of their global knives and instantly fell in love... (with the knife)

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Answering a cooking related question seriously for once, I have probably done more knife sharpening than anyone else here - hundreds and hundreds: my dad owned a butcher's shop, and we lived over it. I've used an electric sharpener and a huge grinding stone. The electric was okay for little knives, but for everything else, the stone every time.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I use a steel, it's perfectly fine for me, just ask my lacerated finger-ends. Just make sure of a few things, never let anyone else do it for you, as their idea of the right angle won't be the same as yours, thus leading to bluntage. But, as someone said upthread, long strokes of the whole length of the blade (ahem) rather than thrashing wildly will get better results.

Strangely though, I have two favourite knives, one was rather expensive but is beautifully balanced etc. while the other was a fiver, bought from Sainsbury's on the way to ATP this year, it holds a fantastic edge, has just the right amount of flexibility, and if it had a heavier handle it'd be just about perfect.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I use a steel, it's perfectly fine for me, just ask my lacerated finger-ends. Just make sure of a few things, never let anyone else do it for you, as their idea of the right angle won't be the same as yours, thus leading to bluntage. But, as someone said upthread, long strokes of the whole length of the blade (ahem) rather than thrashing wildly will get better results.

Strangely though, I have two favourite knives, one was rather expensive but is beautifully balanced etc. while the other was a fiver, bought from Sainsbury's on the way to ATP this year, it holds a fantastic edge, has just the right amount of flexibility, and if it had a heavier handle it'd be just about perfect.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

twenty years pass...

Many, many years ago, like maybe 40 years ago, I found a knife while I was walking through the woods at Boy Scout camp. That's not surprising, there are a lot of knives at Boy Scout camp. But I kept this knife for the next several decades, usually in the car, sometimes in the utility room, mostly (OK, exclusively) for little jobs that called for, well, cutting. Anyway, the knife, a simple single locking blade, finally broke, or broke enough, so I decided to google something like "best budget locking blade," and go figure, knives, pocket or otherwise, are a big thing! I settled on the Columbia River Knife and Tool Drifter, which is well regarded. Came in the mail a few days ago and it's, well, a knife. But I had trouble figuring out the locking component and googled some more, and again, some people are really into knives! Especially opening and closing them quickly, or one-handed, or whatever. And the Columbia River site even divides pocket knives into several categories, from obvious or self-explanatory (hunting and fishing, say) to more ominous selections (like "tactical"), all with names that similarly range from the innocuous to the menacing ("provoke," or "redemption").

Anyway, I just needed a knife to cut things, so the one I got seems fine. But I have a hunch some people collect them like Pokemon cards.

I do have another knife to keep on the car, a Swiss Army knife, and that thing is very useful and, fittingly, not at all threatening.

I also have kitchen knives, but they're not particularly interesting. I sharpen them with a honing steel.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 17:07 (two years ago)

Many years ago I used to belong to a Big Trouble in Little China facebook group, and there was this one member who would DM me to talk about knives, a subject I didn't give a flying fuck about. He was particularly into Cold Steel brand knives, which I guess can actually be good, but have a reputation among knife guys due to their marketing:

Trigger warning for chopping up dead animals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bANlFuNOOyQ

This summer, while on a day trip to the mountains, my daughter got real excited about a knife that she saw in a gift shop, so we bought it and went home and watched a bunch of safety videos on youtube so that she doesn't slice herself or anyone else up with it.

Every time I've tried sharpening a knife, I felt like I wasn't doing it right.

peace, man, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 17:19 (two years ago)

A friend of mine found a Schrade "Uncle Henry" lockback while working in a client's attic and gave it to me... I like it and brandish it but I rarely use it for anything
Looks just like this, I even bought the matching sheath:

https://images.folding-knife.org/l-m/lb8-papa-bear-lockback-folding.jpg

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 17:38 (two years ago)

You wave it around menacingly?

peace, man, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 18:13 (two years ago)

Yeah, in the mirror

It's actually different from the one pictured.. it's not a lock-BACK, the lock is a brass plate sandwich between the handles that you depress where the blade swings shut... maybe an older, less safe model

I've had the same model Victorinox swiss army knife since high school.. I think it's called the Spartan. Always in my pocket on a key ring, I feel naked without it. The corkscrew has saved the day more times than I can count

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 18:58 (two years ago)

I'm going to move out of my shared house soon and finally get my own place. Nearly everything my housemate and I share in this house belongs to me except, that is, for the kitchen knives.
Therefore I've decided I'm going to gift myself a decent couple of kitchen knives for daily use in cooking. Nothing too fancy, but also not totally shit. Any tips, ILX?

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:22 (two years ago)

I have two Henckels 4-Star knives that I really love, a 6" utility and an 8" santoku. The 6" is 25+ years old, both great workhorses, take and hold edges well, not too expensive (in the 90s they weren't anyway).

I Wanna Find an ILXor That'll Flag My Last Post Till I Have To Go (WmC), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:34 (two years ago)

I have some older Ontario Knife Co. and Chicago Cutlery knives in my collection... American-made and pretty good quality

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 20:35 (two years ago)


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