My friend lets his significant other control every aspect of his life...

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Do you have friends that are like this? significant other decides that she has something better for them to do and breaks the plans. It really drives me nuts, I have been close friends with this person for 15 years. He meets fiance two years ago and I never see him anymore. If I do, she has to be with him every time. I only see him alone when she is doing something else. It drives me nuts and I want to say something, should I?

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

By the way said friend and I had plans to go Xmas shopping for wifes/fiance on thursday night. I get email from said friends fiance. "He's not going with you on Thursday, we are going to my brothers b-day party." So why the fuck can't he call me and tell me this or why can't he say "Tough shit, I already promised Chris to go shopping."

I guess I don't understand because my wife is really cool about this kind of stuff, she pretty much lets me do whatever, whenever.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Are there any signs that he may be being abused?

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

No, there's nothing to understand. This simply sucks.

Happened to some of my friends as well to varying degrees. I've been quite vocal with some of them as to how unsuitable the match is, but it never helps. In the end you just have to hope they're happy.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

She's verbally abusive to him constantly. "Oh he sucks in bed, blah, blah, blah."

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

That's not a good sign. Whatever she does to him in public, she's probably doing ten times worse to him in private. If you can get him alone for a while, ask him what's really going on.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:48 (twenty-three years ago)

He won't say anything. I've asked him a thousand times and he says nothing. I fear they will be divorced in 3 years time if that. Plus I sense she uses him for money as well. He makes a great living and he takes care of all her debt. Does it make him happy to do this? Maybe, but maybe she makes him? I don't know. I could go on and on how ungrateful she is as well. Last Valentines day he bought her a Tiffany bracelet. She cried when she got it because she wanted and engagement ring. Two days later, he bought an engagement ring. Her birthday this year, he bought he a Tiffany necklace. She cried, it wasn't the one she wanted. Last Christmas, he bought her all sorts of presents...she cried because she didn't get the Tiffany bracelet she got for Valentines. The list goes on and on. As his best-man should I take him aside and really tell him how I feel.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

is she really (and I mean really) attractive or something?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

no, she looks like a poodle w/ acne.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll quote an occasionally crude ladyfriend of mine on this one: "she must give a nasty blowjob"

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

For some people, a poodle with acne = ROWR. I pity those people. < /asshole>

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Apparently, she does Spencer. From what he says.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I knew it!!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok so now, I just said to her via email. "Im going to go shopping myself". Reply : "You made plans with him to go, you should really go with him on Friday." So, now its my fault. And I'm sure Friday is convenient for her because she is doing something. Or, she isn't and will call him 700 times on his cell phone.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, I think you should tell him how you really feel. And check him out for any signs of physical abuse. I'm serious.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

this woman sounds like a total jerk, and yes i think she is using your friend big time! i also agree with christine, that there is probably more abuse going on than seen in public, and your friend is too ashamed to admit it.
the way she keeps your friend 'under her thumb' is by slowly but surely chipping away at his self-confidence and making him feel he is worthless. does he seem depressed and/ or unsure? does he defend her vigorously if she is criticised?
this really is a horrible problem chris, in spousal abuse people usually only connect it with the husband physically abusing his wife, when in fact psychological abuse occurs on all sides, and that is what this woman is doing.
tell your friend what you think.

donna (donna), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this woman sounds like a piece of work, but I'm not convinced, from Chris's description, that there's abuse going on. I know plenty of people who fall out with friends when they start seeing someone or get married.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

One of my other friends was very vocal about this girl to said friend. In fact he doesn't even acknowledge her presence. In fact he has stopped talking to said friend and they have been friends for a long time too. I think this woman wants my friend to pretty much alienate all his friends and concentrate on her and her family and friends all the time. And he is doing a pretty good job dwindling down his friends. Due to her. I think he is scared to say anything to her. He does defend her vigorously too. Or he'll play the "typical male role" when she isn't around "I'm going to tell her how it is, blah blah blah." and then does nothing about it. its sad really.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

But the majority of my other friends are married and they don't have these problems. I know she verbally abuses him, she's done it in front of me numerous times. Not sure of physical abuse, in fact I doubt that. But the verbal abuse is just as bad, if not worse with him. He has had low self esteem most of his life and has some issues

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe you should plan some sort of party and invite both of them b/c then the chick could have other people to hang out (ie: your wifey) with while you're hanging out with your buddy and other guys.

That said, maybe she (friend's fiance) is psycho, but you'll have to find a way to deal with her if they're gonna be together for a long time.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Have you tried telling her she looks like a poodle with acne?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan is OTM here, perhaps you could offer her some Oxy, while at the same time explaining her problem and pointing a finger at her nose saying "NO!".

Also, perhaps you're right about the verbal abuse, especially if it's entirely one-sided (i.e. not sparring).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Can't we get someone to photoshop a poodle with acne so we can get a better idea of what this chick looks like?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

(My motto is, "There's no such thing as a situation that can't be solved with personal abuse.")

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris, has anyone actually called the woman on this? To her face, in front of your friend? The best way to deal with acne poodles is to rub their face in the shit they drop. At any rate you have to say something to her face, no point sneaking around in fear of her.

I don't have much truck with partners of friends who dick/pussywhip their partners into social submission (one of my male friends is currently experiencing this delightful behaviour from his insecure girlfriend and although I like her it is really annoying). My solution is to be as pleasant as possible while undermining her authority:

*Call the friend at work to make plans as much as possible.
*Be polite if there are social situations where partners are welcome and make sure you include her. Be nice to her.
*Don't enter into email correspondence with Wifey about anything. If she phones, get someone else at work to take a message or zap her onto messages if she rings your cell.
*If she starts 'social organising' him with you, interrupt her as abruptly as possible and say 'You know what? Something's come up. I'll give X a heads-up later and work it out with him, see you later.'
*Get your friend to turn his phone off for the first two hours you're seeing each other. When he turns the phone back on and sees a billion texts or vocemails, he'll start to do the math.
*Don't get in the habit of taking him to one side or she'll spin it so you've got the problem.
*Don't gang up on her with your bud's mutual friends.

If you have to get nasty, have witnesses:

Mention her freeloading while her hubby goes to the men's room. When he gets back and she says something about it, feign ignorance (if you don't bitch about her to pals, you can make her look crazy in SECONDS).
*Ask what she got him for Christmas/birthday/Valentine's. Here I would go too far and wonder if the gift was an all-clear from the local VD clinic, but my tragic flaw is the caustic one-liner.
*Get her a chemical peel for Xmas from a posh spa.
*If others gang up on her in front of you, do 'good cop' and tell them not to.
*If there is a divorce, that is the time to mobilise friends to be character witnesses against her, but keep schtum about that.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

My ex-wife wrote her thesis and was an expert witness on the subject of the mental effects of psychological abuse of one partner by the other. Her work and focus was on men abusing women, but much of this is transferrable. This is not to say that this is what is happening, on the tiny third hand evidence I have, but it certainly sounds that way.

The first section of Suzy's post is all good stuff, but do stay away from part two for a while. The damage is to your friend's confidence, self-esteem and ability to make his own choices. Focus on giving him support, as well as helping him make his own plans, and gradually on seeing what is wrong with the relationship. And good luck.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Apparently, she does Spencer. From what he says.

Dan, I'm so ashamed you failed to take advantage of a mere absence of a comma. YOU'RE LOSING IT!

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I knew it!!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

You missed the "comedians at shows" thread where I lost my shit.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 23:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris, is this your friend's first major girlfriend?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, is he like Cameron in Ferris Bueller?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Holy shit Spencer! For years we called him Cameron! He looks exactly like him!!! hahahahaha!!!!! No, he's had lots of gf's but they always dump him.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

from the film (copied and pasted from imdb)!

Ferris: "Cameron has never been in love -- at least, nobody's ever been in love with him. If things don't change for him, he's gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she's gonna treat him like shit, because she will have given him what he has built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won't respect him, 'cause you can't respect somebody who kisses your ass. It just doesn't work."

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

This is such an incredibly amazing coincidence, I was just watching 7th Heaven and my Dad said 'There's only one thing missing off this show' and I said 'A dog with acne.' True story.

maryann (maryann), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 08:23 (twenty-three years ago)

By the way, I did mean an actual dog, like 'Happy'.

maryann (maryann), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 08:24 (twenty-three years ago)

have sex with her

dave q, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 08:48 (twenty-three years ago)

No, Dave, HIRE someone to go and have sex with her, get forensic/photographic evidence and run the bitch out of town. Tch, I'm disappointed in you Mr Q!

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 09:18 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah he sounds like cameron.
and she sounds like a bitch.

this thread makes me sad :(

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

It can be hard to find a good balance between girlfriend and friends, sometimes, so don't be too hard on him. Having said that, it sounds like your mate has over-stepped the line, and is starting to neglect his friends. Have a friendly chat about it, but make sure you don't sound like you're dissing his other half, cos he'll just drift further then.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

He has been exactly like Cameron since I have known him. Non-existent parents he is afraid of, always sick, neurotic, nervous wreck. I was Ferris to his Cameron. I was always much cooler ;). He called me yesterday afternoon to tell me he is not coming shopping Thursday night. "Fuckin bitch" he says, "called me and screamed at me that I have to go to this party and I'm not to go shopping with you." I told him I was going without him and he can worry about it himself. I'm just fed up with it at this point. And actually she looks more like a bulldog with acne than a poodle.

That Cameron quote is 100% dead on. I mean he has been with other girls and he has laid in the past. Of course all the others dumped him right after they had sex for the first time. Maybe he is some kind of freak in the sack. But this one sticks with him....hmmm.

I'm sure my wife would be thrilled if I had sex with her. I wouldn't have sex with her if she was the last person on earth. You know what they say about dogs with acne on their face. It must be somewhere else as well.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sure my wife would be thrilled if I had sex with her. I wouldn't have sex with her if she was the last person on earth.

That had me gasping until I figured out your pronouns...

Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Tonight's Seventh Heaven was nuts.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Your friend called his fiance a "Fuckin bitch?" That's his cry for help!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)

She's a Bourbon!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

eight years pass...

what do you all do when your friend is going out with somebody totally awful?

an old pal of mine, a really great guy, like everything going for him, real beacon of positivity and fun, is dating this awful bulldozer rude girl. it's so weird, it was his birthday tonight and she organised a surprise party, which was so regimented that it scared people. she asked two friends of mine to bring him out all day so he wouldn't know about the party, then lambasted one of them, who is a really nice, kind person, if a little shy, for being 10 mins late when they brought him.

she kept awkwardly changing the music even tho everyone else was being all "oh i'll play one tune" polite. really scary and controlling. just like majorly killing any vibe at the party by controlling things.

on the way home i discovered all my friends find this person awful, rude, controlling, just the worst scenario for a truly great guy who could be dating anyone he wants if he realised that. literally nobody likes her as she's so controlling.

friend is v docile and has spoken in the past about not loving her, to everyone/anyone, but somehow got bullied into moving in together. tonight realised we're all terrified this great guy will marry this really mean, rude person, who doesn't even respect him.

i guess you just let someone live their own life...but ilx, what are your stories like this? never had a mate so tied in with someone so bad before.

LocalGarda, Sunday, 4 September 2011 04:59 (fourteen years ago)

yeah this sucks

realistically the only real course of action ive ever taken is to just bitchi abt them to all our other friends and doing the whole eyerolling why is he even with her thing and try to wait it out but

you cld always try setting him up w/ somebody he might like better/suits him better, which im kinda tempted to do w/ my one friend whose bf is just terrible

going 2 heaven seems p chill (Lamp), Sunday, 4 September 2011 05:07 (fourteen years ago)


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