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I like the Libeskind one even if its a bit blatent in mirroring the shape of the statue of liberty.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Norman Foster: the Movie will star Steven Berkoff.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the Libeskind design. The Foster one is spectacularly horrible.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:27 (twenty-three years ago)

agreed, i actually find his designs kind of offensive - in general, not just with the WTC proposal

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

This is truly horrible. Hasn't that site seen enough misery to want to inflict this monstrosity upon it?

http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2002/12/19/mn_wtc06.jpg

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

It also looks like its showing the finger to the rest of NYC. I hope this isn't intentional.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)

you bastards.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)

the terrorists have won.

― rener (rener), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

that libeskind one looks like the ruins of the wtc after it collapsed. is that intentional? the meier one is just horrible.

― michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Please don't let there be a memorial mall or something like that ;(

― brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 19 December 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

that's what it's all about--

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 December 2002 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I am worried about this idea. It seems to be asking for trouble - look at Donald Dewar's glasses.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 December 2002 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Eep. I kind of like that United one the best. I agree that the top looks a bit stupid, but the whole idea of 'sacred light' from the ground is very cool. My most vivid WTC memory was when I walked straight up to one of the towers and looked up... anyway, this sort of captures that:
http://www.renewnyc.com/plan_des_dev/wtc_site/new_design_plans/firm_f/slides/images/Slide6.jpg

But then I admit to not being much in the way of, how you say, architecture.

― Aaron W, Thursday, 19 December 2002 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

you think they should have sculpted some contact lenses for DD?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 December 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know. Something that didn't just scream "ATTACK ME AGAIN". The new ones only lasted for a week I think.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 December 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually I think the broken ones lend an air of sad nobility and should remain as they are.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 19 December 2002 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I think-----if they replaced with dame edna/elton john styles then the bams would be too busy laughing to mangle.

I think this approach could work for the WCC too.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 December 2002 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

All the designs are the absolute pits. I mean it. I can't believe any of these have made it so far. How about some nice, big, solidly built buildings where people can conduct business and commerce? In theory a memorial-type structure is great, but the reality is all these designs are ugly and waste space. And they're ugly.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 19 December 2002 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

My opinion remains the same from the day itself -- build *NOTHING* on the site. Leave it flat, leave it open.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 December 2002 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

As long as it looks futuristic, is the tallest in the world, super sturdy, and able to conduct business as before, I think it would be cool.

― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 19 December 2002 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

what is this obssession with being the tallest?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 December 2002 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't think New York doesn't take a peek when it's in the locker room with all the other international cities, Steve...

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 19 December 2002 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

It's too bad this design is already taken :

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hnetten/swfc014.jpg

It has a convenient hole in the top for airplanes.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 19 December 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Looks like a tremendous cheese grater.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 19 December 2002 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I really hope they just remake the thing and make a memorial somewhere else.

― David Allen, Thursday, 19 December 2002 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Looking at those designs does not make me regret moving away. All those months of ideas, cash and planning, and that was the best the artists could come up with?

I agree with David: A) Whichever is finally chosen, it will take years to built---past many widows/widowers lifetimes, and B) How would you explain the necessity to begin rebuilding so soon?

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 19 December 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, that first one does look like it's giving the finger, kind of like this one:

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/WTC-redesign.gif

also, I don't think it's directed at the rest of NYC...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 December 2002 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, sorry for the k-size of that one...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 December 2002 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Good lord, what about that Meiner/Eisenmen one? WTF!?! Do they want us to play a gigantic game of tic-tac-toe? Jeez-o-pete, that's just disgusting! Whatever architects designed that should be stripped of their credentials and clothing and be flogged in public or something, ugh, I'm getting sick looking at it!!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 December 2002 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't often get the chance to support someone called Skidmore! Sadly, the SOM design is not terribly exciting. I like the Foster and the Libeskind, but my fave is the United one. My favourites virtually never win in competitions, though.

The reason the designs are not more modest and standard is that the first batch were rejected as not dramatic and special enough as markers.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

did someone a while ago suggest that it should build up orgaincally, like the east or west village, no big giant towers but a sort of jane jacobs neigbourhood thing? if so i like that idea.

― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 19 December 2002 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

"what is this obssession with being the tallest? "

more impressive view from top, and more impressive view looking up at it.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 20 December 2002 01:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin - Skidmore Owings and Merril is a huge corporate firm. One doesn't expect innovation from them.
Anthony - What do you mean by organic? Seriously. I am curious because I hear that term a lot in the context of architecture and city planning, and I never know what is meant.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 20 December 2002 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin I forgot to add the ";-)"

I said in the other thread that the Muschamp charrette was the best in terms of new designs for the world trade center. HEREis the link. It requires registration, but no money as opposed to many olde nytimes articles.

Be sure to look at the interactive feature, especially Rafael Vinoly's transit center. The footprints of the towers are left as memorials, while some of the site is used for public cultural structures. I don;t know if I dig the redesigned towers, but I think they are optional.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 20 December 2002 04:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Man, they just need to go through the Arcologies from Simcity 2000 and find one that everyone can agree on and build that fucker. Those buildings were so much cooler than all the proposals. That said, my favorite of the bunch is the SOM design, because it has the coolest pictures in the slide show.

Ned's idea is terrible. How utterly depressing. That's worse than my idea to rebuild the towers exactly as they were except with big jet fuselages sticking out at the appropriate floors.

― Tom Millar (Millar), Friday, 20 December 2002 04:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope the new one has AWACs and missle launchers.

And a happy-fun-best slide to the bottom

― jimmymod, Friday, 20 December 2002 06:02 (twenty-three years ago)

leave it empty, and treat it like any other sort of real eastate. maybe cut lisences a bit, let people build what they think need to be built, maybe make a restriction on height.

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 20 December 2002 06:10 (twenty-three years ago)

and depth?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 20 December 2002 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

why depth?

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 20 December 2002 10:49 (twenty-three years ago)

why height?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 20 December 2002 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is the best one:

http://europe.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/wtc.ideas/designs/page.116/7.jpg

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Friday, 20 December 2002 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Man, if only Bucky Fuller was still alive today.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 20 December 2002 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

or Frank Lloyd Wright

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 20 December 2002 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Aaron, I know, but I've liked a lot of their skyscrapers much better than their design here.

Richard Rogers is alive! Couldn't he have had a go?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 20 December 2002 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

no.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 20 December 2002 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

http://users.rowan.edu/~cull2722/sc3000/event6.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/gigabyte2/images/forest.gif

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 20 December 2002 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, is Michael Graves not still alive? I love his work, probably more than any other American architect ever. Would his work be too lacking in seriousness or something?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 20 December 2002 23:43 (twenty-three years ago)

height b/c it is intimadting. i want venturi to do it, please venturi make a nice little vencaular nieghbourhood.

― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 20 December 2002 23:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Clash of the Postmodernists!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 20 December 2002 23:50 (twenty-three years ago)

post :(

what is depth!!

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

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No need to feel like it. We talk on small portable devices to people around the world and use laser-guided weapons, we ARE a terrible science fiction pulp! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to call it the French Tower.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Make sure it's deep fried in oils too. Then we can eat it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"French" = "freedom" after all.

I hope the building what echoes the Statue of Libby still gets built, the renderings of it are mysteriously stirring.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Carosel will happen in the freedom tower.

Renew

― Ed (dali), Friday, 25 April 2003 06:11 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...

Bump.

Freedom Tower to rise 1,776 feet from ashes
Architect says it will be an 'exclamation point' on the skyline

From the look of it, the Tyrell Corporation finally has a new headquarters.

Feel free to start posting about man's hubris....NOW.

― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/12/19/nyregion/tower.1.650.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

this rendering is soooo 5th Element.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

shame they wouldn't just let libeskind design it.

I understand the significance of the 1776 but what is the significance of the foot?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked the shape of the libeskind tower too, but I guess the whole thousand foot high garden was slightly insane...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

my browser isn't showing images, just now.

: /

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

They've gone and butchered the design, bastards. Knew it was going to happen though, in the battle between 1000ft gardens and floorspace floor space wins out every time.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

but all that stuff is just weird lattice work above some point and *not* office space...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the building is now almost uniform floor plan in the usable bit rather than tapering, as in the original design.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

this one shows it a bit better:

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/12/19/nyregion/tower.450.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

dammit, i want elevated roadways, and little anime robots flying around to protect us.

― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

The World Trump Center

I... I just don't know what to think about this. Kind of like people who save DNA from their dog so that they can clone it after it dies.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"I've got it, I've got it ... it's, like, pretty much exactly the same thing, only, ours is one story taller. See this model? It's a very big model, okay? That's because the building will be bigger. It'll be one story taller. That's obviously better. Also we're going to treat the windows so that when the sun hits them it'll spell out TRUMP TRUMP TRUMPETY TRUMPMEISTER along the top twenty floors."

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I don't understand "improving" the old towers. There was no improving them. They were *supposed* to be monolithic and spare and out of scale with all life on this planet and to have terrible little slits for windows. They were badly conceived buildings. Just completely redesign the damn things, plz.

I do like the design for Trump Chicago, though. Even considering it's going to be named "Trump."

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.condohotelcenter.com/images/condos/trump_chicago.jpg

Not bad, eh?

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"I was flying over the Statue of Liberty, and I said to myself, 'You know, if that ever came down, they wouldn't replace it with something that didn't look like the Statue of Liberty.'

Yeah, they'd give that nymph some HOOTERS!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

> it's, like, pretty much exactly the same thing, only, ours is one story taller.

it goes up to 111

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I have to take that joke back! I just saw this on the news this afternoon, and I was appalled -- like, "that's just the Freedom Tower design! only a story taller!" -- but now I'm starting to suspect that whoever produced the segment was actually stupid and lazy enough to run a picture of the old design as background to reporting that Trump has one?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha.

They should've let Trump help rebuild the military headquarters. He could've turned it into the Hexagon.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's going to look like one of the finest palaces... in Iraq."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

they're one foot taller DO YOU SEE??

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, this would be the most 'American' thing to do, and would probably make the most people happy.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of people were saying just that right after the towers fell -- that kind of defiant knee-jerk "we'll build them right back only taller!"

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I know, but still...this is more about how this is the trumpiest thing he could have done. Look at that picture, it's ridiculously trumpy.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

He's right, though. It is a big model.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree the Freedom Tower is New-Age-crystal shaped, and I'm inclined to think it silly. It could grow on me, though.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Superman's Hidden Fortress! In Lower Manhattan!

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm shocked that he didn't propose to add enough height to make them they world's tallest!

His announcement makes me think that the whole architectural competition should have been run as a reality show. I'd love to see Libeskind and Foster forced to share a bedroom and work on timed model builds with Elmers glue and popsicle sticks.

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hell, why not build three of them?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"freedom tower" can be deconstructed and reconstructed into "feed metro row".

coincidence? I think so.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the only solution is to build a building that is a mile high.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

with trump hair on top.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

the combover tower.

bloody hell those ARE big models though.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/wtc.ideas/designs/page.140/22.jpg

"This building consists of four buildings with one on top, all connected, with a memorial to 9/11 underneath. Being the tallest building in the world, it will show Americans' strength during the hardest times."

--Edsel Ford Talbert III in Lynchburg, Virginia

― a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 19 May 2005 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"In a nutshell, Freedom Tower should not be allowed to be built, it's not appropriate for downtown Manhattan, it's not appropriate for Manhattan, it's not appropriate for the United States and it's not appropriate for freedom," Trump said.

I just wanted to highlight this quote.

― Allyzay do not obtain to make download of yours MP3 (allyzay), Thursday, 19 May 2005 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"The design for the Freedom Tower is an egghead design, designed by an egghead, which has no practical application and which, frankly, didn't look very good," Trump said at the time.

Also this one...Trump, what a magnificent bastard.

― Allyzay do not obtain to make download of yours MP3 (allyzay), Thursday, 19 May 2005 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Freedom is gonna be PISSED when it hears about the Freedom Tower.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 19 May 2005 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't start with those again, abanana. My ribs still haven't recovered from the "rainbow fountain".

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not appropriate for freedom

He's right about that too. The Freedom Tower's dank underground maze of torture chambers and prison cells is a feature largely ignored by the media.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Edsel's idea. There are still far too many things that are not on top of other things.

― mei (mei), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

You have to be impressed by the lengths that the Donald will go to in order to keep us from remembering that his primary business interest is operating under the protection of the federal bankruptcy court.

― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

Cool. Is this actually true?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Peter: Ray, for a moment, pretend that I don't know anything about metallurgy, engineering or physics and just tell me what the hell is going on.

Ray: You never studied. The whole building is a huge super-conductive antenna that was designed and built expressly for the purpose of pulling in and concentrating spiritual turbulence. Your girlfriend, Pete, lives in the corner penthouse of Spook Central.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 10 June 2005 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

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