Contact Lenses-c/d?

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I've been wearing them for about 8 years now, but my new pair are terrible - I can't see at night, I can't read menus or signs on walls, I can't pick people out in a crowd. My vision is only clear for about two hours a day. My glasses are clear, but I don't like wearing them outside. I want new ones, but can't afford them. What kind of glasses are ok? I've always wanted those square half-frames, like a fifties FBI agent, but you can't really get them. Aaaaargh.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 13 January 2003 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps, there is a fault with your contact lenses and you should take them back?

There are loads of styles of glasses available. I've never worn contact lenses, just that whole thing of putting your fingers near your eyes freaks me out, plus I wouldn't look right with contacts.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 13 January 2003 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm sort of with jel on this. though i look dramatically different when i wear my contact lenses. i like my glasses. it's a brilliant disguise!

doom-e, Monday, 13 January 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

When I wear glasses I always feel like I'm hiding behind them, that I'm more cut off from the world.

I think you should go back and complain about the contact lenses. Are they from a different optician? Do they have enough % of water in them to suit you?

I was a bit squeamish about contact lenses but vanity won over. It's so weird, on the few occasions that I forget to take them out at night, waking up the next morning, and knowing something's weird, before realising that YOU CAN SEE!!!!! and then you move your eyes and it's all sticky, bleugh.

Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

urgent and key: eye drops!!

geeta (geeta), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with all Vicky says. Though I have started wearing glasses again since I got pairs that I like. Did feel very odd at first though. A bad hair/face day can be exacerbated by glasses that on other days look cool, turning you into a complete gimp.

Working with VDUs is a dream with (anti-glare coated) glasses, compared with contacts.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I only ever wear glasses, especially as they stop my eyes from looking all little and piggy.

I did toy with the idea of contacts but then couldn't be doing with the hassle.

chris (chris), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

You are a lazy man.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:34 (twenty-three years ago)

hassle = money, touching the eyeballs, remembering to take them out.

But yes, I am a lazy man.

chris (chris), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Touching the eyeballs becomes fun after a while.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

i have bought what seems like a lifetimes stock of disposables. i bought "30 days" worth last month and have used up 5 or 6, 2 of which were abandoned in learning to poke my eyes. touching eyeballs = classic and dead futuristic. they are alright, but still feel uncomfortable. i'm still not sure why i got them, as i like my glasses. i had an idea it would mean less hassle, and less likely to damage/lose them on a pissed up night. however you have to take your glasses along AS WELL (or i do right now in these early days) in case you blink one out, or it gets too annoying. hm.

Alan (Alan), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

"damage/lose them" them = glasses

Alan (Alan), Monday, 13 January 2003 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I kinda want to get contacts. I think they'd be better for my vision at my prescription. + I've always worn glasses and think I'd look better without them.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Apparently wearing contacts slows down the rate your eyes deteriorate. My prescription hasn't changed much at all in the 8 years (my god is it that long?!) that I've been wearing them.

It definitely makes summer easier, you can wear normal sunglasses, it's fantastic!

Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm with jel about keeping my fingers as far from my eyes as possible.
and i love wearing glasses, i just bought a new pair at a thrift store last week, i can't wait until i have the money to buy the lenses for them.

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 13 January 2003 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
just got contacts last sunday. been wearing them on and off all week. my eyes aren't TOO TERRIBLE, but bad enough that when i go out without wearing glasses, i have trouble reading signs and seeing people's faces that are far away.

i think i like them!

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I take back everything I said above.

Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

dud. I have small, deep eye-sockets (read: beady little eyes) and long lashes, so the putting-in/taking-out is almost impossible.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
I've just got contact lenses again after a stress-induced six-month break during which I just wore specs, and i'm completely freaked out at being able to see without a suspension bridge across my face! i keep reaching up to my face to adjust my glasses - a nervous habit i guess - and then getting confused to find nothing there at all...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't touch my eyeballs. I can't get anywhere close to them...I close my eyes just thinking about trying to.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently wearing contacts slows down the rate your eyes deteriorate. My prescription hasn't changed much at all in the 8 years (my god is it that long?!) that I've been wearing them.
It definitely makes summer easier, you can wear normal sunglasses, it's fantastic!

-- Vicky (missvick...) (webmail), January 13th, 2003 5:25 PM. (link)

Yes to the second part of that. To the first part, I didn;t know that.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't seen any science on that, just spoken to people who claimed it, and seen from my own experience and that of others that our eyes haven't deteriorated much at all.

In my case, i remember both my mum and dad coming back from the opticians on every occassion in their thirties with vastly different prescriptions for their lenses, but my prescription has barely changed at all. In fact last time I went she told me that one eye's prescription was too strong and pulled it back a bit.

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I am considering getting contacts after 14 years squeamishness. I want to be able to wear them just occasionally, for sports or going out (including on a certain special occasion this July...) Scared though.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, mine hasn't changed much since 1983 I have to say.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post 'their lenses' being the lenses for their glasses, that is, they are both glasses wearers, couldn't contemplate getting contact lenses

Archel, don't be scared! it's really easy, in a couple of weeks it'll become part of your morning and evening routine, and after a couple of months you'll wonder what all the fuss was about. My sister got contacts for vanity reasons for her wedding, and she is now a regular wearer. She uses disposables - very good if you're not sure you're going to be a regular wearer.

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I still have tests every couple of years or so, but my eye prescription hasn't changed since I was a teenager. In fact, I've only just bought the first pair of glasses I've bought since I was a teenager too.

I am one of these "touching your eyes? EW SQUICK!" people too.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

My prescription is getting stronger at a rate of knots :(
Ooh, maybe contacts will cure that too if you're right Vicky.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Vicky, my Mum has been told her eyes would have been much worse if she had worn glasses rather than contacts all her life. However, when I told my optician this, she said that research was inconclusive. It's difficult to know what somebody's eyes would have been like if... precisely because they have been wearing contacts.

I got my lens stuck around the back of my eye the weekend before last. It really bluddy hurt - I had to go into M&S to pretend to try on bras, just to get a nice big mirror to get close to. I only succeeded in making the red veins redder and sticky outier. In the end, I slept with it still in and somehow it worked its way back round the front overnight. My eye was dead gunky.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Stories like this are *why* I go "ew, nooo" when people suggest wearing contacts.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing like that has ever happened to me in 10 years of contact lens-wearing.

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i couldnt live without contacts. as a photographer, i absolutely cannot work with eyeglasses on. i cant get close enough to the viewfinder. yes, its even a pain when im shooting on my hasselbald and i'm just bending down to look into the viewfinder because then the glasses are always falling off my nose. however, glasses are great for when i work in the lab or on the computer. my eyes need a break.

on the vanity side of things, ive worn glasses since i was 10 years old and as an awkward teenager [is there any other kind?] it was hard enough not feeling like i was as skinny or pretty as my classmates. contacts were a big confidence booster then, they still are now. even though i have a pretty badass pair of frames, i still feel schlubby whenever they're on. plus, i hate all the nose grease that accumulates from wear. lastly, i love sunglasses!

i just switched from regular lenses to disposable [acuvue 2, i think] and im in hog heaven. im kind of lazy when it comes to taking my contacts out and stuff, disposables are much easier for me to deal with.

also, in the 10+ years of lenswearing, i've never had any problems with getting a contact stuck *anywhere*. this past november, though, i did accidentally flush one of my down a sink at during a rock show. it was awesome!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have any problems like that, because my right eye is fine anyway. If I need to look in a viewfinder or similar, I just take my glasses off and shut one eye.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't go to rock shows.

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i wish i was lucky enough to have at least one eye with good vision, but i dont.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Nordicskillz, what do you take back? Are you wearing contacts or glasses now? If contacts, can you see better than 2 hours per day?

Rocker For Light (on a Bad Brains kick) (Eleventy-Twelve), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. I love my contantc lenses. I wear them 14+ hours a day.

European Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Stories like this are *why* I go "ew, nooo" when people suggest wearing contacts.

Indeed. I got sick of hearing my mother complain about her old contacts (even though she now has disposables and likes those) that I'm not moved to veer away from glasses. Apparently, they prescribed the wrong type of contacts because the eye doctor thought she had a stigmatism in one of her eyes.

The pollen here's insane year-round (allergy festival 365 days a year!) and my eyes are always watering, so that wouldn't help either.

Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i am contact expert now! i can put them in with one hand, first try, yay!

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sick of looking like a nerd. I don't really look like a cool nerd... almost, but not quite. And the comment about the messed up hair is dead on.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

one of my high school friend's fathers was an optometrist, and he gave me free colored lenses (non-prescription). i had a grey pair and a violet pair.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i want colored lenses SO bad. oh hey, wait. i could buy them. i know my prescription!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Stupid Allergies. My contacts are all sticky, and they are supposed to be the plastics of the future or whatever (the new breed of Acuvue) but I just haven't been as happy with them. I'm thinking of just getting a better pair of glasses and wearing them more often, but one of my eyes is worsening at a rate of -.5 per year.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i am happy with my acuvue 2's

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I wore the same pair of contacts for five years and managed to damage my cornea. Brilliant, eh?

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Shookout, hard lens?

Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

So, washable soft lens. I know, insane. When I finally went to the eye doctor he made me throw them away on the spot.

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to contacts, I went bli... oh, forget it.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
This is my first post to ILX with contacts in!

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Saturday, 13 January 2007 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I could not survive without my contact lenses because I am vain.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 13 January 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get this thing about people wearing contact lenses because they're vain. You can't even see them unless you look really closely.

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 13 January 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm vain because I hate how I look in glasses.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 13 January 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

AGH FUCK I ASKED FOR ALL PURPOSE SOFT CONTACT LENS SOLUTION I GOT 'CLEANING SOLUTION' INSTEAD NOW I'VE JUST STUFFED A LOAD OF HYDROGEN PEROXIDE INTO MY EYE AAARGH FFS OWW BLOODSHOT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE

HYDROGEN FUCKING PEROXIDE

Just got offed, Monday, 1 October 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

^^^ momus wannabe

DG, Monday, 1 October 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

;_x

Just got offed, Monday, 1 October 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

has your eye gone blonde yet?

darraghmac, Monday, 1 October 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

I could not survive without my contact lenses glasses because I am vain.

fixed.

CharlieNo4, Monday, 1 October 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

Similar thing happened when my Georgetown roommate brought a girl back. (I wasn't there obv. but he told me about it later.) As I understand it after they had finished the deed she had some lens issues so my roommate said she could borrow some of my solution which she put directly into her eye. She didn't realise it was the peroxide stuff. It was, I imagine, a rather unfortunate end to the night.

Upt0eleven, Monday, 1 October 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Has anyone here had issues with daily disposable lenses? I've been on a cycle of trying out different sample lenses over the past month (which I've had a variety of issues with), but the dailies were the worst. They, like, fused to my eyeball. I had to literally peel them off (after numerous failed attempts to take them out like any other lens), and they left my eyes feeling raw and wrong afterwards. I'm wearing a pair of two-week disposables now (which I've already used and which are technically past date) just to get me through until my optometrist appointment, and my right eye is stinging slightly but they're still more comfortable than the dailies.

In short: give me recommendations! Keeping in mind that I apparently have excessively dry eyes.

Deric W. Haircare, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

fork out for monthlies dude, either that or go gas-permeable

Just got offed, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

Oddly, I experienced the opposite - I had monthly disposables a few years ago that would make my eyes feel all nasty, so I stopped getting them and stuck with glasses. Then recently I got some daily disposables for occasional wear e.g. gigs I suspect may get a bit messy, after losing my glasses a few too many times. The daily ones are absolutely fine! Oh well, sorry.

Apparently my eyes are slightly abnormal pH which means they react badly to the saline solution they keep the lenses in. I don't know which way they are different, I quite like the idea of having TEARS OF ACID though.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

The ones that have worked the best thus far were two-week disposables used in conjunction with the hardcore cleaning solution. I apparently accumuluate a lot of residue, in addition to the dryness. And the dryness has been an issue with all of the lenses I've tried, the going theory being that tear duct surgery incurred as a baby has turned my ducts into tear siphons or something. SUCK. So it's drops all day long, unless I can find a viable alternative.

Deric W. Haircare, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

I still wear contacts, and I'm still vain.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

Had mine three years now and I love them. The monthlies have always worked for me so I haven't had a reason to try anything else, but I had to go through a few pairs of them before I found ones that felt comfortable. I'd say just keep trying out different lenses.

Most surprising benefit of getting contacts: being able to cut onions without tearing up. I always do the onion chopping in our house now.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

I can't put contacts in.

rev, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

Who here has gotten Lasik and how affordable is it these days?

I've been wearing glasses for 23 years and never tried contacts...

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

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-- Just got offed, Monday, 1 October 2007 10:22 (8 months ago) Bookmark Link

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

I'm strongly considering getting contacts soon. I've worn glasses since I was 8 (now almost 25) and I'm kind of feeling it's time. Plus I play football once a week during spring and summer and wearing glasses for that sucks. I have an astigmatism btw - would that be a problem?

Chris in Belfast, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

I've started wearing (daily disposable) lenses again now and then after years of being 100% speccy - two months' worth has lasted since Christmas.

I do now and then think about getting lasered but really I'm too attached to the idea of being able to wear cool glasses sometimes to throw away that opportunity*.

*plain glass specs are for wankers obv

CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

I'm strongly considering getting contacts soon. I've worn glasses since I was 8 (now almost 25) and I'm kind of feeling it's time.

That's me, Chris: nothing but glasses for the past 20 years, until my last pair spontaneously snapped in half and I decided to try something new. And now I can walk in the rain and maybe even buy sunglasses. It's exciting. Or will be, once I find a pair that works.

I'm going to request monthlies, based on the positive reviews here. The dailies were way too thin, and even the bi-weeklies have been a bit fragiile (random tears and chips in the lenses, which I'm sure can't be good). I think monthlies combined with the harsh cleanser might work.

Deric W. Haircare, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

I has an astigmatism, and I can wear contact lenses. xpost to Chris

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

classic.

I've had little to no issues and switched from the soft lenses that last a year to the bi-weekly ones a long time back. Outside of having to use eye drops when I was in the desert and having to wait until my eyes re-moisten to remove them if I accidentally fall asleep in them, no problems.

mh, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

The daily disposable ones appeal to me - no worries about cleaning them, basically. They might work out more expensive mind you.

Chris in Belfast, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, apparently I'm the only person in the world for whom dailies are a horrifying nightmare.

Deric W. Haircare, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

I have an astigmatism btw - would that be a problem?

-- Chris in Belfast, Wednesday, June 4, 2008 6:21 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

havent you seen the ad with the hot blonde co-ed twins? one has astigmatism and used to be ugly because she wore glasses but now she wears contacts instead and you just cant tell which twin is cuter!

sunny successor, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Contact lenses make it real hard to play guitar hero or rock band. They keep on fogging up cuz you can't blink to play those games.

CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

contacts fog up????

sunny successor, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

I am weird and wear the gas permeable variety. The thing is, lotsa folks wear eyeglasses and look amazing, but I think that, for other people, they obscure some of the best parts of their features, and the rest of us are cheated out on the full extent of said persons' beauty.

dell, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

I am blinking away contact "fog" as I write.

Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 5 June 2008 01:28 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Bump because, further to posts upthread, I just got contacts!

Went for the daily disposables to see how I go with them. My astigmatism is bad enough that I couldn't get lenses quite strong enough to fully correct it, but the optician said it'd be close enough to not matter. And my vision seems pretty good, though not glasses perfect.

Eyes are a bit itchy, but I've only had them in an hour.

Chris in Belfast, Thursday, 11 June 2009 12:21 (seventeen years ago)

you'll get use to them. do you need to wear them all the time? i use daily disposables for sports and going out, and they're great.

U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 June 2009 13:14 (seventeen years ago)

i really need to figure out somewhere to get my contacts other than doctor's vision works -- been going there for years, but the bastards won't sell me new contacts if my prescription's out of date and i can afford contacts but i haven't been able to afford an eye exam in forever so i've had the same contacts for a year and at this point they just make my eyes bloodshot red after 2 hours and i can't really wear them anymore.

i give a fuck about them haters, young shipple been gettin paper (some dude), Thursday, 11 June 2009 13:53 (seventeen years ago)

go in and ask for your prescription according to your last eye test (they have to give this to you). you can use the prescription to buy lenses online on any number of sites.

U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 June 2009 14:06 (seventeen years ago)

(eh, that's for daily disposables, i'm assuming the principle is the same if you have monthlies etc but probably not on reflection)

U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 June 2009 14:07 (seventeen years ago)

I just bought glasses to back up my contact lenses. I love c.l., but during allergy season, they are impossible. It has taken me nearly 3 weeks to get used to the glasses -- getting used to having something on your face for hours, headaches, visual wonkiness, etc.

Maybe you should consider back up glasses, shipple? To hold you over during those contact lens "dry seasons". I totally understand your pain, I go get an examination every other year instead of annually because of the costs and I even have insurance.

Ai Lien, Thursday, 11 June 2009 14:08 (seventeen years ago)

i have glasses, which i'm wearing more and more these days. i just don't like wearing my glasses all the time.

i give a fuck about them haters, young shipple been gettin paper (some dude), Thursday, 11 June 2009 14:10 (seventeen years ago)

you'll get use to them. do you need to wear them all the time? i use daily disposables for sports and going out, and they're great.

― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 June 2009 14:14 (1 hour ago)

That's exactly what I got them for. Have my glasses on again which was a bit of a relief tbh, but I'm sure I'll get used to them. I'll go for a few hours tomorrow.

Chris in Belfast, Thursday, 11 June 2009 15:11 (seventeen years ago)

I buy my contact lenses online now and save ££££££££££ by doing so.

I hate wearing glasses. I feel like they draw attention to my face, which is not a thing I tend to want to do, but chances are they probably don't to anyone who isn't me.

ailsa, Thursday, 11 June 2009 17:53 (seventeen years ago)

"I've always wanted those square half-frames, like a fifties FBI agent, but you can't really get them. Aaaaargh."

haha

admrl, Thursday, 11 June 2009 17:57 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

You know when you think your eyesight is failing, everything getting progressively blurred?

Then one day you try switching yr contacts around, and everything is clearer?

That's a good day.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:52 (fifteen years ago)

Ha - been there, done that!

seminal fuiud (NickB), Thursday, 17 February 2011 09:53 (fifteen years ago)


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