Regretting having children

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So some people umm and ahh about whether they want kids, partners disagree, about turn can happen etc. And the people who never have kids? It tears some up and others are quite happy.

But what of those who finally do it after a period of indecision? Do any of them ever regret *having* kids. And do they have to keep it their secret for the rest of their lives? Or can you openly say "Hey, I've got nothing against my kids, but if I had my time again I wouldn't have has them" without being a complete monster?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

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stevem (blueski), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, lots of parents are plainly a bit indifferent if not downright neglectful to their children, so maybe they regret having children.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you can love and be proud of and glad of your kids and still say you made the wrong decision to have them when you did/at all--that is OK. why not?

I'd like to have kids someday...but I'm pretty selfish and irresponsible.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

DV, I think that's a smaller group than it might seem on the surface, and anyway, they can be classed as the 'monsters'.

RJG, I'd feel completely gutted if I found out reading some diary or something that that was the case with my parents (I'm pretty damn sure it isn't, btw). I wouldn't blame them, especially as they'd have made the best of the situation, but it would be so sad / guilt-inducing.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:24 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, yeah, the guilt thing.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

guilt?

boxcubed (boxcubed), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Not rational guilt, but being the cause of someone's life impoverishment is surely not a nice thing to know.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, feeling the guilt that you deprived your parents of the life they wanted/could have had if not for you--haha, that I didn't think this immediately says EVERYTHING.

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RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

If you had asked this a few years ago I would probably have said that, yes, I regretted it. I never wanted a child and I became obsessed with the curtailment of personal freedom associated with having one. Only gradually, as my son has got older, have I realised how stupid I was. Now he's the most important person in my life. Losing him would be unimaginable. Perhaps the ambivalence might creep back a little if I don't like the sort of person he turns into as an adolescent or adult. I hope not.

David (David), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think my mother regretted having (in her sense, adopting) kids in a general sense, and not specifically either, when I'm talking about my brother, but she certainly regretted getting stuck with me. She has made that clear many times.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

This reminds me of 400 Blows. Wasn't she a terrible mother?

Vic (Vic), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, appalling.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

And when she visits him at the end and tells him how the adopted father has given up on him and that, more or less, she's happy to have gotten gim out of her life, ooh, you just feel like cursing her or something, it was very poignant.


I think it is situations like these which lead to that Susan Smith case = parents, in particular stressed mothers, killing their young children after being unable to handle them.

Vic (Vic), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

i was told i couldnt have children, and became accustomed to that as my reality. now that i have a wonderful baby boy ( yep medical miracle ) i have absolutely no regrets at all about his existence.
even the curtailment of certain freedoms doesnt bother me, nor do i mind him being my most important person and reason behind all my decisions now.
becoming a parent is the most fantastic experience i have had so far in this life, i cannot imagine ever regretting him.

donna (donna), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)

that's my problem: I can imagine regretting it if my kid ate the last miniroll and I had wanted a miniroll or something.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

N, just have a baby already! Stop starting threads about it, and just do it. If you were a girl, you'd have been a single mother years ago. You're obsessed with babies, you're worse than a girl!

kate, Monday, 13 January 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

parenthood is just the scariest thing in the world for me. I'm confident that I'd be a good parent but I'm also aware that I'm very selfish and emotional and afraid of slipping into poverty. Plus the whole thing of carrying the baby for nine months and then having it come out of you and then healing from it and then breastfeeding and all the hormones that go with all the stages above....OH HOLY SHIT. I get crazy enough when I have my period.

Then there's the career v. family stuff, kid's health and education, gaaaaaah. I don't see how anyone does it.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Or can you openly say "Hey, I've got nothing against my kids, but if I had my time again I wouldn't have has them" without being a complete monster?

My mom has said this. Because at the time she had her children, she was still very young and was forced to give up her career. I get the feeling there was a lot she would have liked to do that she didn't get the opportunity to because of her children. So I can understand why she said that, but it still kind of made me feel like "oh I guess I wasn't really worth that much to you" but perhaps that's just me being immature again.

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

What if someone came knocking on your door one day and announced that they were your son / daughter? I think I might actually be terribly pleased, if more than slightly shocked.

Gordon (Gordon), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

And what if that person was AARON CARTER?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

cha-ching!

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"I tried to abort you but I was too far along. And that's why I married your dad."

Mel W (Melissa W), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i'd clip him/her on the ear and say "don't comes about the murphy household with yo sob story, and desire to 'make up for lost time'. begone, ye vile wretch!"

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:54 (twenty-three years ago)

If it were Aaron Carter I would cry and say that he was just a vile accident of nature. Hey, sometimes the truth hurts.

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

"we thought it would be a good idea, to, you know, save our marriage"

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

And did you?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I am the parent of a lovely young daughter who loves me very much and I love her. The difficulty is that my daughter was born with massive physical and neurological problems that ensure that she will never be able to live without 24-hour nursing care. In addition to being entirely physically helpless, she cannot communicate beyond simple facial experessions. And before anyone asks, I want to make it clear that nothing that could be done for her has been overlooked. Some problems just have no solutions. Some solutions are so expensive as to be beyond the reach of any but multi-millionaires.

She is now nearly an adult. It is becoming clear that she will probably outlive my wife and I. A few of her caregivers do actually care about her, but they are rare and never a given. I often wonder what her life will be like when her parents aren't around to provide her with unfailing love and protection.

My own life has been worn to a frazzle, my marriage tested nearly to the breaking point and my dreams mocked by the demands this has placed on me. If any good soul innocently asserts in my presence that 'God never gives a person trials beyond their strength to endure', I just wince.

In my darker moments, I admit I do sometimes wish my daughter had not been conceived or born, much as I love her. It is one of the more dreary discoveries of my life that these two feelings are not incompatible. It has nothing to do with not loving her. Nothing at all.

No Name, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have heard people say "I wasn't a particularly maternal (or paternal!) person, but now I couldn't imagine not having them". Just ask Johnny Depp!

Genevieve, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I've got a few friends who, at the same time as loving their kids to death, say they regret having had children and advise other's not to - esp. whilst still in their 20s or in a relationship that is co-dependent/dysfunctional etc.

toraneko (toraneko), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:20 (twenty-three years ago)

To whoever it was anonymously posting above, thank you for that. I don't know what else to say withou sounding dumb.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

You are welcome, N. There was no need to say even that much.

It is very difficult to speak of one's suffering without hitting a self-pitying note. I only hope I managed to avoid the worst of that. Every parent suffers for their child at some time. It is the nature of love -- and one's love for one's child is very powerful in every respect. I simply felt I had to remind people that children, lives and regrets take many complex forms.

Since I am the Ancient Mariner at this feast, I simply was playing the role my experience has fit me for. Don't hesitate to have a child on this account. Just plant both feet squarely on the cleats and take a good firm grip on the handlebars.

No Name, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:10 (twenty-three years ago)

No Name, Thanks for your postings about such a personal subject.

I was born with a genetic neurological disorder. After many years of medical intervention I am able to lead a very normal, basically successful, and happy life. And for that I am thankful. Yet, when my mother and I have talked about the disorder and how it has affected not just my life, but those of my family and friends, she says that she sometimes wishes that I'd not been born, because of the pain that it put all of us through. Not that she regrets my life, but that if she had known the prognosis ahead of time she might have rethought her decision to give birth to me. I do not take her words as rejection or invalidation of her love, but I do understand that she feels guilty, especially as the disorder comes from her genetic line, that she is responsbile for all of this.

And I find myself pondering the issue now, when I think about having children. I will probably pass along the defective genes to my off-spring, but they are not dominant genes and there is just a small chance that the child would ever develop the disorder. But do I have the right to make that decision for another being? I don't know that I'd be able to watch someone go through what I've been through, and be thinking all the time "I did this to her/him." I've pretty much concluded that if I do move into parenthood it will be with adoption, as I think that my genetic line needs to cease, unless some great genetic cure comes along soon, where they can get rid of the nasty thing.

LCD (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Haven't had kids, so I suppose my view could change (bloody unlikely - I had a panic attack in Baby Gap the other day) but I think The Simpsons sums things up when, after telling Marge that she is pregnant with Bart, Dr. Hibbert hands her a leaflet on parenting entitled "So You've Ruined Your Life". Any kids I have will more than likely be accidents, and I can well imagine myself regretting having them, and becoming very depressed very quickly.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, thanks to No Name. I am glad to have read such a calm, reasonable statement about something so powerfully emotional.

I mentioned my mother's attitude to me: it's not unrelated. She and my father waited a long time for a baby to adopt, and in the first six weeks after picking me up I nearly died twice - my first asthma attack, then double pneumonia. My mother concluded that I was a faulty model, but she couldn't trade me in for a working one. She made her resentment for this clear to me, covertly or overtly, every day of my youth, though I only learnt that I was adopted when I was 19.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

My mother is quite honest about the fact that she feels, in retrospect, that she was unprepared to have children when she did, and feels she has made mistakes because of this. No doubt she has, but I don't hold this against her. I know that she did the best she could at the time, and I'm convinced she did better at raising children than I ever could.

It is for this reason, and the fact that there is autism in both my mother's and my father's family, that I am pretty sure I will never have children. I feel that I am too selfish to commit my life wholly to helpless dependent, who may possibly have special requirements (my autistic brother, for example, is unlikely to ever leave home). Parenthood seems such a difficult thing, and I fear I am too cowardly to attempt it.

A girl (Madeleine), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)


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