A Clockwork Orange with a dictionary in back?

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Someone mentioned this in another thread. Is there such a creature? How horrible! Mild confusion was one of the high points of the book. Possibly the high point, considering that none of the rest of the book was really outstanding. How many of you read it with and how many without, and is the dictionary classic or absolutely dud?

― Lyra, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Its a fuckign classic. Not the best Burgess wrote but Burgess wrote so much great stiff. No glossary for me though.

― anthony, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Am I the only person in the world who had no problem reading this damn book? Balls to dictionaries, sez me.

― DG, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I had a copy of Trainspotting with a glossary. One of the terms defined was the NME. Er, okay.

― rosemary, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I *heart* bks w/ glossaries in the back. Esp. ones about junkies or beatniks.

― duane, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thought it was only the American edition that had the dictionary in the back - never seen it in a UK version...

― Andrew L, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought it was fun to try and pick out the meanings of the words just from the context. Aren't they mostly bastardized Russian?

― dave q, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wonder if learning the words from the book would make Russian easier, then.

― Lyra, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not a chance, but you should be able to pass yr nadsat 'A' level as standards have slipped dramatically since I was a malchick.

Actually, this site: Clockwork Orange glossary has a good lisiting of all the russian words that Burgess used.

― Andrew L, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, fucked up the link. Try this: Clockwork Orange Glossary

― Andrew L, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That's a good site Andrew. But if the guy thinks that AB invented the word "blubbing" he is sorely mistaken. However, a clockwork orange with a dictionary in the back is dudder than dudley. Trainspotting with a glossary in the back is jeeeyust pathetic. I read that when I lived in SA, with no access to any Scotchmen to help me out, and I managed fine.

― Sam, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The penguin edition I nicked from the school library back in the day had a dictionary in the back.

― cabbage, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Blubbing": Burgess influenced by MOLESWORTH hurrah!

― mark s, Tuesday, 28 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three years pass...

Figuring out the meanings of the words as you go is part of the fun of reading the book! Crazy.

― Amanda Kreider, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

You're gith, the rest of the book is pretty meh, and the only cool bit IS the strange words here and there. A glossary would distract me, I think.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

My penguin edition has the glossary. But, you know, it's at the back. You don't have to use it.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The first copy I had was a small orange paperback which included a glossary but omitted the final chapter. My Trainspotting has one, and so does my copy of Junky.

― Dr. Z Indahouse (AaronHz), Thursday, 3 February 2005 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The last chapter was rubbish by the way.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 3 February 2005 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't the final chapper added at a later date?

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Off the top of my head, I think it was added for the first American edition. I'm not 100% sure about that, though.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was the American edition which had the final chapter deleted. Burgess talks about this in Little Wilson and Big God.

― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, OK. In that case, the final chapter was written as a homogenous part of the book - I definitely remember that Burgess wanted the book to have a very strict structure, with three acts and the same number of chapters in each.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

3 x 7

― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

(note to self: stop talking vague things that turn out to be wrong when you don't really know what you're talking about)

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 3 February 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a diff between 'trainspotting' having a glossary and 'clockwork orange'. i'm not averse to glosses in either, but 't/s' was real language, 'c/o' made up. irvine welsh can only subvert the dominant imperial tongue by including gloss to convert edinburgh patois into same. why you'd want *not* to understand what you're reading i don't know.

― Miles Finch, Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If Irvine Welsh had wanted to subvert the dominant Imperial tongue, he could have tried having a narrator who spoke in Scots, and not just characters who did.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the glossary in "Pimp."

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...

what's the deal with the oft-mentioned connection/link/influence/ting between this film and roxy music/bowie?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

eg, on the ziggy tour bowie would open to the music from 'ACO' -- http://www.5years.com/raincon2.htm

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

He liked the music

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

that's not gonna cut it.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

But he did. Also, can't remember who exactly, but lots of bands and artists have been linked with film/musical versions of "A Clockwork Orange" - I'm pretty sure the Stones were at one point

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

that's true, that's right.

also andy warhol filmed a version of it... and bowie liked andy warhol (a bit).

but the thing is: why? and, they seem to have liked it before the film. i dunno about the film.

but the book is a bit fusty, really. kind of catholic morality tale n' shit?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

But it's a great teenage boys' book (I mean like 13 or 14 year old) - so it's perfect for rock 'n rollers... Anyway didn't BONO of all people ened up doing some kind of musical version??!?!?!?

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

also (obv) heaven 17/human league liked it. ok, none of this is very remarkable -- bands like films shock -- maybe what's interesting is that these film-obsessed (is that too strong?) bands (roxy/bowie) didn't really make any moving-image material of any significance in the early-mid seventies. (bowie did later). (ok, he did a concert film.)

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

have you seen any of the films what can scored, dada?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

You're wrong there, Bowie shot quite a few videos (before Queen invented them) in the 70s: "John, I'm Only Dancing", "Jean Genie" and probably others too... and then in the 60s there was the farce of "Love You Till Tuesday"

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

xpost - "Deep End" was on BBC2 once when I was a nipper but I don't remember much about it other than Jane Asher got her tits out and that actor who looked a bit like David Bowie (coincidence!), Peter (or John?) Moulder-Brown (whatever happened to?) was in it. "Alice in the Cities" of course, tho there's not that much music in it.

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

That's a good point, why hasn't "Deep End" been shown on TV for donkey's years?

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

didn't know they did that, skolimowski isn't it?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

mm, a few promos ain't exactly 'hard day's night'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

"Mother Sky" is in it!!!!!!!!! Tho I think the soundtrack is mostly Cat Stevens

http://www.psychodelicates.com/P%20-%20Big%20John%20Moulder%20Brown%20in%20Deep%20End.jpg

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

i think the 'soundtracks' soundtracks were from like small german avant-garde films?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

"Mother Sky" is from "Deep End". The rest from German films - but I don't think any of them were particularly worth seeing

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

i wonder!

sorry this is the most transparent 'help me research some shit' thread-bump ever.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha. Well "Cream - The Schwabing Report" is apparently a kind of semi-documentary film about craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy hippies in Munich but mostly an excuse to show lots of tits and arses... but that's the only one of the films listed that I've ever read a review of. Plus the other film makers involved: Roland Klick, one of the Schamoni brothers etc, are not exactly top tier in the New German Cinema pecking order

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

... I'm reading about the "New German Cinema" at the moment, in case you hadn't noticed

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

i guess it's 'just a bunch of stuff that happened', maybe bowie *wanted* do do films but the fiulm industry was so fucked in the '70s he couldn't. and maybe roxy never were that 'filmic'. hmmmmmm.

xpost -- which book?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

... even better, I think Holger Czukay is in one of the films! I read an interview where he said he was asked to act in a film in the early 70s playing "a character who beats up a hippie" - and he said that he very much enjoyed being paid to beat up a hippie!

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

xpost -- which book?

Thomas Elsaesser. It's very dry and, errrrrrrrrrrr, Germanic but interesting

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah i read that, it's good that it's not just about the big name directors, but possibly the funding policy of german state tv wasn't the best choice for holiday reading (i made this mistake).

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

I think New German Cinema is a bit like Krautrock, there's the occasional obscure gem lurking away but, generally, the famous people are famous because they're best. However, I'd like to see at least one Herbert Achternbusch movie. Ditto Werner Schroeter.

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

i saw a good film by [oh shit this isn't going to be a feminist sentence] volker schlondorff's wife this one time, abt these terrorist women; reckon there must be gems. wodner if german dvd makers are as shitty as the french about putting subtitles on their stuff.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Margarethe von Trotta? (sp?)

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

yeah.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, you're too young to remember it, but I'm dreaming about when BBC2 and Channel 4 used to actually show German films... Syberberg, an entire season of early Fassbinder (about, what, 15 films worth?) etc etc etc

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

how did they fit in 'how clean is your property' in those days?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

... hmmmmmmmmm, yes well, in these more advanced days, Channel 4 have an entire channel devoted to films these days, the films of Quentin Tarantino that is

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

i auditioned for a stage version of this on monday, it seemed to go well, they asked me to read for alex after the initial improv parts, then today i got called back for a second audition on saturday. really really want to get a part in this...

― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 27 January 2011 19:08 (fifteen years ago)

ok i would totally dust off my actor chops and do it again if i could be in a clockwork orange. good luck man!

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 January 2011 19:10 (fifteen years ago)

i know i am so keen to do this, it's v improv based which suits me and i feel i do the whole psycho thing quite well!

― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 27 January 2011 19:16 (fifteen years ago)

that sounds fun

― the Chinese firewall of the heart (Michael B), Thursday, 27 January 2011 19:39 (fifteen years ago)

Ha. I auditioned for it on Tuesday. See you on Saturday.

― Alba, Thursday, 27 January 2011 20:46 (fifteen years ago)

(I got called back for the restoration comedy too - are you going for that?)

― Alba, Thursday, 27 January 2011 20:47 (fifteen years ago)

No I panicked that it was a musical and didn't audition.

― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 27 January 2011 20:57 (fifteen years ago)

ok i would totally dust off my actor chops and do it again if i could be in a clockwork orange. good luck man!
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 January 2011 19:10 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ditto.

A Clockwork Orange with a dictionary in back?

Yep, I have seen one.

Am I the only person in the world who had no problem reading this damn book? Balls to dictionaries, sez me.
― DG, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (9 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No, but then again I did Russian for a term at school, so..

― Mark G, Friday, 28 January 2011 09:44 (fifteen years ago)

A Clockwork Orange with a dictionary in back?

The first copy I ever read, it was my sister's, had this

― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 28 January 2011 11:39 (fifteen years ago)

My copy has one too. It's a Penguin paperback, from about the same time as the film; think it was published in the UK, since someone said only the US versions had it.

Except I didn't realise it was there until 90% of the way through, by which time I was pretty used to what everything meant anyway. So, not at all necessary, then, but it was interesting to look through after finishing the novel.

I'd wish you both luck in yr audition but I guess it doesn't make sense to wish you both luck! Etiquette dilemma. (However, if the part doesn't go to an ILXor, maybe we could form an angry mob.)

― cellular nekomata (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 28 January 2011 11:49 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com/news/12065745-148/exclusive-penile-plethysmograph-test-to

wau

― j., Saturday, 11 April 2015 23:31 (eleven years ago)

Funny, I had both of my copies just now before putting them in the loft: if I'd seen this thread I would have looked..

One was the first of the "Banned Books" series free with a newspaper (guardian, I think) and one was a latter penguin paperback.

― Mark G, Sunday, 12 April 2015 21:36 (eleven years ago)

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