Getting Married at 20 or thereabouts: C/D

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trmllar: It's problematic because I WANT to say 'you're young and dumb and everybody does that, at least you didn't get married at 20 and are now pulling this shit like some people I know'
PinkMoosePearl: ask her why she has been an idiot
trmllar: Yeah
PinkMoosePearl: aah getting married at 20
PinkMoosePearl: a classic and moronic mistake

Millar (Millar), Sunday, 9 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

why?

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, getting married without putting a lot of thought into it, and getting a lot of advice can certainly be moronic. But there are some people where marriage just.. well, kinda suits them no matter what age. There have been marriages at 18 that have remained successful.

If you take out the "at 20", that's a far more interesting question.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess what I'm saying here is that marrying at an early age isn't necessarily more moronic than marrying at any other age. It just depends on how ready you are, and whether you're doing this for your best interests as well as your partner's.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"getting married or thereabouts: C/D"

interesting yes. makes sense NO. ;-)

ron (ron), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Getting married early is not definitively a mistake, nor is getting married later a promise of security. Any idea otherwise is what is the classic and moronic mistake, sorry.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Getting married = classic. Most of my friends are married, and it seems to suit them great. But then again, most of my friends are around 30.

I'd like to be married. No, really. Horrible thing is, I used to get asked all the time when I was about 20. Now no one has asked me in ages. Marriage would have been disasterous when I was about 20. Now I suspect I might actually be fairly decent at it, and no one wants to marry me.

:-(

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

i think that getting married peroid is a classic and mornoic mistake.

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Getting married only because everyone else is and it's something you think must validate you as a human being is indeed a classic and moronic mistake.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Why? Everything else I've tried to validate myself as a human being has turned out to be a classic and moronic mistake. Human beings are more alike than they are different. Why would getting married because all my friends have found contentment that way be a mistake? I mean, all my friends EAT and BREATHE, should I stop doing those because I don't want to be like everyone else?

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

And it doesn't matter, it's a moot point, as the only boy I've had any interest in in years said NO anyway.

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I always thought that marriage was a stupid mistake to make. I still do. Yet, I got married (at 22, to a 19 year old). I have no doubts that it was stupid, but I don't mind so much, because my marriage is a pretty unusual one. It can be fun. It can also be a pain in the ass.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Why? Everything else I've tried to validate myself as a human being has turned out to be a classic and moronic mistake.

Well, uh.. maybe try something that makes you enjoy life instead? I got caught comparing myself to everyone else and trying to play the "most successful human being" game back in the day, and I failed horribly and became a lot more miserable for it. I never want to make that mistake ever again.

Human beings are more alike than they are different. Why would getting married because all my friends have found contentment that way be a mistake? I mean, all my friends EAT and BREATHE, should I stop doing those because I don't want to be like everyone else?

Oh come on, kate. That analogy is quite a stretch.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it? The sexual urge, the urge to pair off ... and I suppose eventually the urge to propegate ... seem to be far more universal and basic needs in the heirarchy of things than oh, self actualisation or poncey notions like fulfillment and realisation of one's talents.

I am getting cranky and depressed, I should really just go off and curl up with a book.

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:42 (twenty-three years ago)

But you can do that stuff WITHOUT having to get married!

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Marriage is a relatively recent ritual that's purely based on theocracy. There's no "marriage" instinct. Only an instinct to follow the herd where marriage is just one of many things that's part of the herd mentality.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, you said your bands are enjoying a good deal of success these days. I think there are tons of married girls out there that WISH they could be in your shoes right now. I think this is just a "grass is greener" phenomenon that everyone digs themselves into, including myself. So, I'm just trying to cheer you up, though it doesn't look like I'm helping. :(

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

And of course, I'm not saying all married folks are "a herd". But unfortunately some are, and they get married only because they want to be "acceptable" in society.. and sorry, that's a shit reason to get married.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

We got married last summer partly as a make work project and partly because we wanted to have a big party that people from far away would feel compelled to attend. It's made little or no difference to our lives (we lived together for over 5 years before we got married, though). Getting married early can work, but it tends not to (I know how anti-statistics people are around here, but for an either/or stat like whether or not you've divorced, it's hard to argue). I waited until I was 31.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 9 February 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

When J and I got together, she was 17, I had just hit 19. We fell in love and committed to one another in less than a week. We moved in together a few months later - she had turned 18 by then. We didn't get married until she was 22 and I'd hit 22, but that changed nothing. We stayed together for over 22 very happy years, then for several more progressively miserable months.

The marriage bit was entirely irrelevant, but we made the same sort of commitment (but personal, not civil or religious) at a young age, and we both benefitted from it and had a long happy time together. (Obviously it would be nicer still were we still together, but you can't have everything.) Anyway, this isn't to say that hooking up long-term in your teens (or after being together for a few days) is the course of wisdom, but it can be good. If I can find another relationship as good that lasts over two decades again, I think I'll have lived a pretty satisfactory life.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 9 February 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

My mum met my dad when she was 16 (my dad was 18). They married exactly one year to the day they first met. They had me 2 years later and my brother 4 years after that.

I guess nobody expected it to last, but nearly 35 years later, they are both as happy now as they must have been when they were younger...

I know they are probably the exception to the rule, but they're proof that getting married at 20 can be classic.

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Sunday, 9 February 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

My little sister got married at 22, and it seems to be working out fine- they're having their first kid in a few months. Of course, she'd lived with him for 2 years before they were married, so she pretty much knew what she was getting into. I don't know- she's young, but they're happy together.

I haven't thought much about getting married- my boyfriend & I (we're both in our mid-twenties, so no early twenties marriage for us (-; ) are pretty honest with each other that our careers are very important to each of us right now, which means that we're probably going to be logging quite a few frequent flier miles for the forseeable future. He's an officer in the Coast Guard, which essentially means moves every two years- and even if I did move with him, he'd be out in his boat a lot, so there would still be a lot of time we'd spend apart. So, who knows- we talked about this right before he left in January, and were laughing at the whole catch-22 of it all. He wants me to have my own career, and is really encouraging about it- but at the same time, that means we can't easily be together, because my job ties me to a desk in one city.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

i didnt marry til i was 27, but we lived together since i was 21 so had made a type of commitment anyway at that point. the fact that we have now split up after 17 years has nil to do with us getting together in our early 20s.
a question like this cant really be answered, people suit different things and make mistakes at all ages of life. even with the supposed 'maturity' of a 40 year old someone can marry the wrong person for the wrong reasons.

donna (donna), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

My grandmother got married at age 20. She's been married for 60 years. Did my grandparents make a classic and moronic mistake?

I don't think i could have gotten married at that age though.

rosemary (rosemary), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, marriage, in one form or another, is damned near universal, and not necessarily related to religion at all.

But still, getting married in the western sense of giving up exclusive rights to your body to one individual and cohabitating with the same, when, in the context of a market economy and a society which enables a person to live more or less "independent" of others, is certainly a colossal dud, in my book.

-M, Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I am sick of living independantly. I am SICK OF IT. I would like to be interdependant with someone for once in my fucking life.

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I better go to bed, cause in about thirty seconds, I'm going to start a thread called "SHOULD I GET MARRIED OR BECOME A LESBIAN?"

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I like living alone. All alone. And not having to consult anyone else on what to buy or when to go out and when to stay in.
Except for when it comes to cooking dinner for one person...

May you dream of wedding bells and sugarplum fairies, Kate.

-M, Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:34 (twenty-three years ago)

kate, i'd recommend the latter

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

My entire life, I've been told that I'm wrong and I'm evil and I'm clearly Satan because I didn't want to get married, and I wanted to live alone.

So now I've decided that I WANT all that, now I'm evil the other way around? What-EVAH!

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:38 (twenty-three years ago)

we could always tell you what you want to hear, if you'd prefer

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 9 February 2003 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, listen, you know I love ya, but are you TRYING to alienate the entire thread?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 10 February 2003 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I cannot imagine being married, and I can't recall a time in my life when I would even consider such a proposition. In my mind, marriage is a religious ceremony, and as such does not appeal to me in the least. I am happy in my relationships. I am in these long-term. I am just as committed, if not more so, to seeing this relationship thrive and endure as are many married couples. I see no reason to go through an "official" ceremony to announce to the world that we have made these commitments. It's between us.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 10 February 2003 00:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't forget the IRS

Millar (Millar), Monday, 10 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

*laughing* No comment *grumble, grumble*

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 10 February 2003 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

there are times i think someday i'd like to get married, but i think i won't be mature enough by 20. also it'll be hard to find someone who fits my expectations who'd actually like me. it seems like such an incredibly serious thing, i find it hard to contemplate.

Maria (Maria), Monday, 10 February 2003 01:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never found anyone who met my expectations, Maria. But I've found people who exceed my expectations and expand my expectations and basically negate the need for expectations.

(And if you type "expectations" over and over, it starts to look funny.)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 10 February 2003 01:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Well any of those would be lovely, too. But one can't go around expecting it!

Maria (Maria), Monday, 10 February 2003 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

*laughing* My theory is along the lines of "when it happens, it happens, it's not worth worrying over."

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 10 February 2003 01:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah - you'd be stupid not get married just cause you were 20. I mean you might end up 35 and unmarried and childless and then think 'fuck'.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 10 February 2003 02:21 (twenty-three years ago)

To wade in late, I never liked the idea of marriage myself... I used to think "why bother, just live with a person if you love 'em".

Then a year ago I got engaged. To a Canadian. 3 months later he called the whole thing off after we'd been going out for 12 months(couldnt bring himself to move to Australia - took him a year to realise this... gah!).

So now I'm a bit cynical about the whole thing. *sigh* I dont wanna start thinking about my lervlife again I might get depressed.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 10 February 2003 03:19 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm with MsLaura on this one.

For me, getting married at 20 was complete DUD. We were in love then but we were still so young. You change as you age. We weren't mature enough to weather those changes in our marriage.

That said I think it's completely dependant on the people involved. and if it doesn't work, hey you can always get divorced. ;)

That Girl (thatgirl), Monday, 10 February 2003 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm Passing Open Windows: said: I am in these long-term. I am just as committed, if not more so, to seeing this relationship thrive and endure as are many married couples.

Before I was married, I was involved in several "long-term" relationships which turned out to be not so long-term at all. Being married changes things, or at least it did for me. There's a difference between drifting apart from your girlfriend, and drifting apart from your wife.

I know polyamory is in vogue now, and it's considered uncool these days to make and hold a vow to another human being, but I think I made the smart choice and everyone else is suckers. I found the woman I love, and I loved her enough to know that I'd want to be with her the rest of my life. Why wouldn't I want to marry her?

That said, I wholeheartedly endorse living with someone for a year or two before you pop the question, or accept one that's been popped. If you're meant to be married, you'll know it in a year or two, and if the idea of waiting that long chafes, you're probably still in the infatuation stage, and ought to be able to see your future spouse in the light of reality before you run off and get hitched.

Dawgie, Monday, 10 February 2003 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

you can get married a lot older than 20 and find retrospectively that it was the wrong thing to do (sorry if this point has already been made).

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sure Dawgie is right that marriage changes some relationships, and everyone told me before I got married that it would change mine, and when I said it wouldn't they looked all smug and knew better. It didn't make any difference at all, in my case. (Perhaps I should add that I had no interest in marriage, but she was keen, and I had no real objection. It did get us presents and tax breaks.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 10 February 2003 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Dawgie, My main problem with marriage is that it is a religious ceremony that is condoned by the state. So far as I am concerned, and my family as well, I am "married" to my two lovers. We have entered into an agreement that we are three - we are in love and we support each other in all things and we want to spend our time with each other. We are not looking for someone else to join us. That, in my mind, is a "marriage," though without the religious/civil ceremony.

We are as committed to each other as it is possible to be. We've stood by each other through some tough shit and come from that experience even more strongly bonded together. I do not see why we need some "ceremony" to signify this. I am frustrated by the legal problems associated with not being married, but I stand by my guns in this argument.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 10 February 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Marriage needn't be a religious ceremony!

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 10 February 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

No, but it has such strong religious connotations in our society that there are always those overtones, whether one wants them to be present or not, unfortunately.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 10 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)


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