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Do you consider yourself to be a Romantic? If so, why so / if not, why not?

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Historically yes...driven by a desire to make many different kinds of things meaningful.

More recently I feel that kind of impulse steadily eroded, sometimes swamped, by a sense that life and the world are at best meaningless, at worst sordid.

David, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Definition! Definition!

Sorry, I can just see this going the way of "Formalism", i.e. three people who know what's being talked about talking, and twenty others nervously please-sirring their hands up.

I'm a small-r romantic in that I'd like more people to fall in love with me. Actually no, that's probably something else.

Tom, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Definition! Definition!

To me...investing things with more significance and meaning than they might actually have. Constructing and believing myths in order to make the world less ordinary and plain. Obvious example: Wordsworth and co. seeing more in a landscape than just...soil & vegetation.

David, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Or: had a club foot and sex with your sister, plus died in Greek War of Independence...

mark s, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of my most loved profs from college, David Joravsky, taught a class called 19th Century Intellectual History which offered a definition along the lines of: a refusal to accept science...uh, let's see. I wish I still had my notes. It was something like: a refusal to accept science or "reason" as an explanation for "human nature". Hence an interest in irrationality, the occult. I'm probably bastardizing his definition terribly, but his class and the books we read still come to mind whenever I hear the word.

I've always found this way of looking at Romanticism useful, since I think it created some powerful myths that people still adhere to, whether they realize it or not. There is a *lot* of Romanticism in music, for example, particularly Rock. As a big-time skeptic, I would have to say I'm most definitely anti-Romantic. Romanticism to me is about escapism, turning away from self-awareness, sort of resigning oneself as subject to irrational, mysterious forces. The Romantics I've encountered seem to be people who refuse to *articulate*. Literacy is so precious to me - it's something to which so many people have no or limited access, so I tend to see Romanticism as something spoiled children do. If I had to accept that my moods and attitudes are the product of unknowable forces, I'd throw myself off a building, so NO. Sentimentality and nostalgia, however, are other matters....I think you can indulge in those things and still keep your wits about you.

Kerry Keane, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love to pretend that I am, for my own sake. Like when he concocted a grand scheme to sweep the both of us away, I let myself be swept - it was the concocting and letting that belied the both of us. But wow it was fun.

Kim, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes, very much so. To the extent that I recognise romanticsm as foolish & yet still cling to it. Can romanticism & nihilism co-exist? In my experience nihilism is ALWAYS romantic.

duane, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cynicisim (mine) comes from life's failure to happen like it does in the movies -- an example of Romance and Romanticisim's failure to happen in practical terms. Its constant, insistant failure...

Shit, here comes another Smiths song...

JM, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Not a Romantic, probably because I don't believe individual human lives are meaningful in themselves.

tarden, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I do believe individual human lives are meaningful in themselves. whether this makes me a romantic i don't know...

gareth, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes. I am some kind of an aesthete interested in small beauties, private sensations that feel like transcendence, epiphanies and moments snatched. I am also terribly nostalgic. I don't claim that any of this has anything to do with The Romantic Movement.

the pinefox, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For a long time (the height of my Momus-inspired phase) I was quite passionately anti-Romantic, seeing it as a means of evading serious discussions about the world and yourself, and retreating into a reassuring fantasy.

I can give it more time now, and sometimes it calls me. However, I find that whenever I give into that kind of pull I become much less happy on a personal level, and I can even catch myself making quite divisive, isolationist statements, because that is what unchecked Romanticism drives to you: a denial of, and anger at, the way other people choose to live their lives.

Therefore, I find Romanticism a tantalising concept, but I tend to avoid it for the sake of my own sanity.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four months pass...
do you think ossian is romantic?

Nora Buckman, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was deeply into a sort of personal inchoate romanticism when I was a wee lad. Of course at that point I knew next to nothing about the romantic movement historically...I just knew that I was idealist, isolated, tortured, and somewhat disgusted with the way other people lived their lives. Now that I am 'all grown up' I aspire to pragmatism. If sometimes I regress into self-pity and deliberate isolation, at least now I know from experience that there are alternatives.

turner, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's a C.S. Lewis book with an end chapter defining all the different senses of "Romantic" he knows of and which he meant in each instance. The Pilgrim's Regress. It says:

"I would not now use this word to describe the experience which is central in this book. I woul dnot, indeed, use it to describe anything, for I now believe it to be a word of such varying senses that it has become useless and should be banishes from our vocabulary." His categories, nonetheless: 1) Love affair romance
2) stories about dangerous adventure, especially in the past or faraway places
3) Miraculous things that are not part of your religion (thus nymphs are more romantic than angels)
4) melodramatic things
5) morbid things
6) egoism and subjectivism (I don't understand what he means by this one though)
7) love of nature
8) revolt against current civilization and culture

I am a Romantic in the sense of fascination by numbers two, three, and often seven.

Maria, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've had a history in 4, 5, and 8. That makes me an easy pigeon-hole I guess huh.

Honda, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

a romantic means to me the romantic school of english more than a person with a love of romance. I am not the former, and don't want to be the latter though I think deep beneath my crusty exterior lies a helpless fascination with melodrama, mystery and ick, romance

Menelaus Darcy, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nora: IMHO, romanticism is not a particularly meaningful category to use in relation to late 18th / early 19th century Scottish Literature. Only with Carlyle's _Sartor Resartus_ do we see an interest in German romantic philosophy to rival Coleridge's, or a fully-fledged theory of the creative imagination. Even in the books of an author like Scott, often described as romantic, it is clear that the features on which this description depends are only one of a number of competing aesthetic, historical and linguistic resources within the texts. Scott is probably better seen as a critic of the romantic sensibility (prob. not quite the same thing as 'Romanticism' with a big 'R'), alongside Austen and Mary Shelley, than an exponent of it. The ambiguity of Ossian is that Macpherson's invention draws on both eighteenth century literary models and ideas concerning human nature -- the proto-anthropological thought of the Scottish Enlightenment -- but creates what becomes a definitive resource for the European 'Romantic' movement, in so far as such a thing can be said to exist. Herder's response to Ossian is particularly interesting, if you can find it and take a look at it. Because he has to take the poems as genuine in order to support his claims for a German racial poetic character, by analogy with the Celtic type, his argument becomes very convoluted when the 'truth' or otherwise of the poems comes into question.

alex thomson, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I feel very attuned to 1805-era Wordsworth in attitude. I think the first Prelude is one of the first sustained essays on Language, and problems of Language to communicate things, in English. I actually think Wordsworth was autistic. It makes sense: the reliance on Solitude, the fear of crowds and society, the 'egotistical sublime'.
I share early-Wordsworth's struggle with quasi-autistic isolation, notions of selfhood, freedom and language.

Will, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Nora: a googler who had an essay title "To what extent do you think Ossian is Romantic?"?

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 19 April 2003 10:07 (twenty-three years ago)

do you think t.A.T.u. are Romantics? I think so.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 19 April 2003 12:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I am a romantic. I am also sentimal. This is why I am not happy being called a scientist.
I don't think tatu are any more romantic than other popstars. But I think they look terribly romantic, running around in white cotton in the rain.

isadora (isadora), Sunday, 20 April 2003 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Since you asked. I consider myself a classicist rather than romantic. Yes, the definitions are hazy. I consider the hallmark of romanticism as the elevation of sensation or novelty over plain sense or natural facts.

Take as an example Shelley's "Hail to thee, blithe spirit, bird thou never wert." Contrary to Shelley's startling assertion, a skylark is and has always been a bird. Read the entire poem and you will not find any 'true' information about skylarks, only grandiosity, empty flourishes, shameless exaggeration, and rhetorical mumbo-jumbo that treats the skylark - a beautiful creature fully worthy of our full attention - only as a vessel for the author's self-absorbed blathering.

This is, in my view, is the sin of romanticism. It can be written by feeling alone and does not stoop to employ either knowledge or experience as the basis for its content.

Aimless, Sunday, 20 April 2003 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Aimless, you must read, if you haven't already, Ogden Nash's poem 'Very Like A Whale'.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 April 2003 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

thirteen years pass...

Thirteen years have past; thirteen summers, with the length
Of thirteen winters! and again I read
These posts, sent in from dim rooms' screens
With soft inward mutters.

j., Monday, 20 February 2017 06:05 (nine years ago)

Yes I consider myself a romantic but I think it's more helpful to apply these tendencies to the creation of art (writing, music, etc). Applying romanticism to relationships is a slippery slope to lead to feeling semi-mental. For example, I was very much into making mixes for my last partner which she loved, but these mixes took out huge slices of my time and eventually my sanity, and now when I meet someone new, I put the brakes on being overly thoughtful.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Monday, 20 February 2017 23:19 (nine years ago)


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