Making amends after making a moron of yourself

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OK - I fell in love with a girl - she's exceptionally intelligent, highly literate, has a great sense of humour, is seriously fit and extremely cute and to cap it all is absolutely exquisite in bed - my ideal lady in other words.

So much so that having kept my eyes peeled for such a girl and having finally found her I totally overreacted/overenthused and have now managed to scare her off. I played my cards to soon.

What do I do now? There was a genuine and deep attraction there eg she asked (if not instructed me) to leave my then girlfriend and move from Bristol (my current hometown) to Hove, East Sussex (where she currently resides). I thought that that in itself indicated a strong desire to enter a relationship with me, but when I went down to Brighton 2 weeks ago to stay with her and find somewhere to live and work - she started giving me all this stuff about how she's not prepared to start a relationship (this information was conveyed via the text message medium I might add). In previous e-mails she was like "I'm terrified of someone being in love with me cos it's never happened and the very idea of it seems almost ridiculous" - well, I have fallen truly in love with her and seem to have scared her off by the intensity and precosity of my feelings. She's studying psychology and has written and told me she thinks I suffer from a "paranoid need to love and be loved" - but that's the human condition is it not? How come it's paranoid? Don't misunderstand me - I'm highly strung but pretty chilled out at the end of the day.

Basically - I haven't met someone I feel this close to for over 5 years and now I feel absolutely wretched for having fucked things up.

I tried sending her an e-mail, but fear that my emotional lability has scared her off as she responded by saying "you're too full on, play it cool with the next girl you meet" - this from the girl that told me to leave my then girlfriend and move to her hometown?!

Despite her being a fickle Sussex Uni girl, I still love her sincerely, truly, madly and deeply.

SO WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO NOW!?

PS I am 25 and already know what it means to love and have your heart broken and am all too keenly aware of how rare it is to meet someone you feel deeply and profoundly attracted to.

chris sallis, Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought this was about ILX.

Sorry chris, I don't know how to help. I'm afraid I'm close to the exact same thing that happened to you happening to me. I should shut up now.

hstencil, Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

okay -- look hello she asks you to leave yr. girl & city then get freaks out when you expect a seriousness out of it!?

this is her problem.

you need to explain politely to her that y'll try to moderate yr. emotional etc.etc. but really given what exists between you two etc. she's really just running from her problems.

haha i guess like some book like "the rules" about how to trap a man despite his fear of comittment might be useful or something.

but really if you're just "i quite like you and would like this to work if possible so i'll cool it and let's see if we can't moderate here" is the best way to approach this i think.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont get it. if its happened as you say, i just dont know. if shes telling you to move house and stuff (or at least encouraging it) then i dont get the other stuff (which might apply otherwise)

i think your only option now is to be relaxed about it, see what her next move is. if shes saying you're too full on, dont be full on (yes i know she said to move, which suggests full on, but forget that for the minute, deal with the situation as is). also the more room you give her to say, the clearer her views will be because theyll be proactive rather than reactive, you'll get a better picture of what she actually wants from this

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Buy her cheap, shitty gifts constantly. She will be confused because, while you are showering her with attention, it will be in the form of Pez dispensers, rainbow stickers, plastic whistles, etc. When she goes for the phone to have you committed, grab a nipple and shout, "BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY!" Then pee on her floor and do the Mark Yer Territory dance.

Alternately, you could go the chilled "I'll dial down my emotion and see where this takes us" route, but that doesn't make for entertaining television AND gives her the opportunity to unintentionally stomp all over your feelings until you snap and overreact, thus ruining all possible romantic futures. The first way cuts to the chase in a manner that would be fun viewing for the whole family.

(Serious answer: go for the lower-comittment relationship, but make sure she understands how you feel about her.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

What you've described sets off major warning bells: I've found that flip-flopping from strongly positive to strongly negative is an extremely ominous sign in a potential partner, and is usually a sign that (s)he has some pretty serious issues. And it sounds like there's some game-playing going on, or at least an unwillingness to be forthright about the motivations behind her actions.

That being said, I'd follow the advice given above, and see what happens. It'd also be useful to try, in a low-key way, to figure out exactly what it was that set her off and what her vision of the relationship is/was. But if she can't treat you with compassion and understanding (and saying "play it cool with the next girl you meet" via email is neither), my experience is that -- no matter how wonderful a person may be in other ways -- if they lack those capacities, a relationship with them is bound to be an exercise in pain, angst, and emotional S&M. (In one of the cruelties of life, sometimes the most narcissistic people are also the ones with whom it's easiest to fall passionately in love, because of the all-or-nothing character of their attachments -- a person like that can make you feel like you've been understood and loved like never before, but can then turn around and cut you off in the blink of an eye, for reasons known only to them.)

btw I also have no idea what "a paranoid need to love and be loved" is supposed to mean -- from what I know of psychology, that phrase makes no sense at all, and seems like just a sort of random lashing-out to me. Also, how old is she? This kind of behavior is a bit more forgivable in someone who's 19 than someone who's, say, 25; the 19-year-old may grow out of it, the 25-year-old, not so likely.

Phil (phil), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)

(P.S. I've had three medium- to long-term relationships in which I would describe myself as having been very much in love with my respective partners. Maybe it's just me, but I haven't needed to worry about how to "play my cards" in any of them: part of being in love was feeling like I was able to be open and honest about how I felt -- within reason of course. I like to think that if one of us ever made a declaration that exceeded what the other was ready for, then that second person would, at worst, say something like "I don't think I'm ready to go to that level just yet...let's take things one step at a time for now.")

Phil (phil), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I know this probably doesn't help but... serious alarm bells are ringing right now. She may suffer from a case of "I want what I can't have... but when I get it I don't want it any more!" Back away slowly, trying not to make any sudden moves and count yourself lucky that you didn't get in any deeper. Your feelings may be deep and real and sincere, but she sounds like she is playing.

kate (suzy), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Kate is pretty much OTM.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you are all right and I thank you from the bottom of my fragile romantic heart for your words of advice.

God bless ILX!

XXX

chris sallis, Friday, 7 March 2003 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I would hang around, but I have to sign on tomorrow, and sadly will not be able to participate fully in the internet community from right now onwards, so let me make it crystal sparkling clear before I leave:

ILXOR

= whee it's to (as we say in Bristol, ie where it's "at", seen?)

Goodbye for now :)

Lots of love, you've made me laugh out loud many a time you crazy sad ********* - ciao for now.

chris sallis, Friday, 7 March 2003 01:39 (twenty-three years ago)

"Whee" it's to?

Fuck, you'd have never have guessed I type up peoples' conversations for a living would you!

Liz Fraser/Frazer - I LOVE YOU

I'll shut up now - that Damon's a lucky chappie...

Blue Be*l Knoll will never die..........................

chris sallis, Friday, 7 March 2003 01:43 (twenty-three years ago)

don't let this episode keep you from telling people how you really feel about them. Just because she plays games and can't handle it, doesn't mean you should now be skittish about what you know. If she doesn't want what you do, then you just have to walk away. There are other people out there who WILL understand and appreciate what you have to offer - unless you're a total a-hole IRL!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 7 March 2003 01:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheers Spence.

chris sallis, Friday, 7 March 2003 01:49 (twenty-three years ago)

she asked (if not instructed me) to leave my then girlfriend and move

Expand on this, it seems crucial, and you don't seem sure. Did you genuinely mean it, or was it just idle chat. I think there's a lot of room for this being a misunderstanding in this situation. Also, even if she did mean it, you taking her up on the offer is an absolutley enormous step and it seems like she'd have every right to get scared at that point. I wouldn't jump to the her playing games thing quite so soon.

Graham (graham), Friday, 7 March 2003 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I would - but then I'm hurt, and possibly 'realistic', although I'd rather not be.


chris sallis, Friday, 7 March 2003 02:08 (twenty-three years ago)

No!- what am I talking about - I won't turn my back on ILX. Never!

I'm just emotional, sorry guys, sorry.

chris sallis, Friday, 7 March 2003 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

ilx loves you! this girl sucks! this sounds like serious mind games. there are lots out there that are fantastically cool people, but can't deal with relationships for whatever reason. i have a talent for finding such people myself.

this sort of thing is so intensely painful--hang in there.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Friday, 7 March 2003 02:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I had a guy I met online, he in Perth, I in Melbourne; it got way too intense way too fast, when I said I'd come over for a few days to meet him he said IS THAT ALL!? I WANT MORE! So silly me thinking he really wanted it went for a week, and within 2 days the fucker was all freaked out and "get off me, I can't handle this closeness, I have issues!" at me. And then tried to accuse me of being the way-too-intense one when I reacted.

I was very taken aback, but having since observed his actions/comments from a distance (both literally and emotionally) I can see he was an issue ridden child all along and I just let my usual judgement get clouded.

People suck. Its a good lesson to go through though, makes you clearer and stronger for the next time :)

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 7 March 2003 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

There was a genuine and deep attraction there eg she asked (if not instructed me) to leave my then girlfriend and move from Bristol (my current hometown) to Hove, East Sussex (where she currently resides).

See, I'm imagining some scenario where boy and girl have some small fun, and then:

Boy: We should be together.
Girl: Ah come on! You have a girlfriend, and we live so far apart.

And then, not long after:

Boy: I left my girlfiend! I've come across the country to stay with you!
Girl: Yikes!

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 7 March 2003 03:12 (twenty-three years ago)

An entirely reasonable assumption Eyeball.

However, as a result of some very promising e-mails, telephone conversations and text messages I had been misled into believing that there was the distinct, tangible prospect of a "relationship" in the offing.

I was wrong.

But, you know, listening to "Lazy Calm" by Cocteau Twins on my good old crappy MP3 player, life seems good, right and exactly how it should be.

I shall pray for Iraq tonight.

Sleep tight ILX.

chris sallis, Saturday, 8 March 2003 01:19 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm sorry this is happening to you, chris. i don't understand the hot - cold thing either, why don't people just say what they mean? but yeah, what kate said.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 8 March 2003 01:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and thanks Julia :)

Sincerely.

chris sallis, Saturday, 8 March 2003 02:53 (twenty-three years ago)


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