"You stand convicted of Assholism!" -- in praise of John Waters

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There doesn't actually seem to have been a thread for him yet! Anyway, among my recent finds via the slowly collapsing Wherehouse nearby are some of those DVD 2-packs of his earlier films New Line put out, and yay them. Having just rewatched Pink Flamingos for the first time in years, I am annoyed with myself for not remembering more of the great lines from it, dammit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 March 2003 07:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yes, and I was there the first time DB saw it...and of course that final scene. Poor boy. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 March 2003 07:08 (twenty-three years ago)

'Dial 1-900-STOMPER!'

dave q, Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I've only seen the ones that have been on TV, but they're all great fun. I like anything that Divine was involved in.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 8 March 2003 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the interview with him on the special edition of Pink Flamingos "'Cunt Eyes!' What was I thinking?"

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Saturday, 8 March 2003 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you the eggman?

Randy Farang (TOOTHFANGCLAW), Saturday, 8 March 2003 12:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Edith Massey, in Desperate Living: "Every word I ever utter will be considered a royal proclamation!"

The real question in re: John Waters is a very rockist question: was the early stuff better, much better, or is that whole question bullshit? Everybody went nuts over Polyester which was good but lacked the "these people are truly insane" appeal of earlier films. Every JW movie since then has some embarassingly ham-handed moments, even the GREAT Cecil B. Demented (the scene where they sit around singing "Demented Forever" as they get branded made me cringe, it was so corny). At the same time, his eye for satire gets sharper as his audience widens. BUT AT THE VERY SAME TIME DONT'TCHA KNOW the jokes come less rapid-fire, seem more self-conscious, etc. Knowing that one has an audience & feeling obligated to same, Classic or Dud?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 8 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

thing is tho: isn't he also aware that his core audience likes the early/insane stuff best? if he really does feel obligated to his audience, to me that manifests itself more in eg.the insertion of teabagging gags into otherwise harmless + totally corny stuff like Pecker than the other way round (nb. i loved Pecker).

jones (actual), Saturday, 8 March 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely the greatest living American. And his books are almost better than his films. I'm particularly fond of the time he describes himself and Divine constantly trying to upstage each other in shoplifting, culminating in Divine emerging from a store with a TV under one arm and a chainsaw under the other.

Tag (Tag), Saturday, 8 March 2003 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

And his books are almost better than his films.

And his recollections live are pretty much like a standup comedy act. Very funny man in person.

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 8 March 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I love him and of all his movies I especially love Female Troubles.


estela, Saturday, 8 March 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

John Waters is indeed the man.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 March 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

haha "cunt eyes" was slang among my friends for "what was I thinking?" "Oh, cunt eyes, I forgot my glasses"

Anyway, Divine's performance in Polyester, the crackup descent into booze and pills, is surely one of the greatest film performances EVER EVER EVER. The commitment and detail in it blows nearly all other movie "acting" out of the fucking pond.

"No single bullet can destroy the beauty of fascism"

g.cannon (gcannon), Sunday, 9 March 2003 01:53 (twenty-three years ago)

estela,

Not only do I like "Female Troubles," I am also keen to "Polyesters," and "Hairsprays."

pedro the jaguar, Sunday, 9 March 2003 03:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh you are muy funny, senor pedro, with your broken english. I see I made a little typo in my post- how foolish of me. But you, you are much funnier than John Waters!

estela, Sunday, 9 March 2003 03:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Muchas gracias señorita. ¿Algo de tomar conmigo?

pedro the jagura (pedro the jaguar), Sunday, 9 March 2003 03:42 (twenty-three years ago)

there is a special place in my heart for John Waters. I especially like Desperate Living and Female Trouble. bless the man's soul.

Mike Hanle y (mike), Sunday, 9 March 2003 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I met him once in B'more. He was incredibly personable with just a touch of wwweeeeiiiirrrrrdddddddddd. Der Meister!

Skottie, Sunday, 9 March 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)

i wish i had seen john waters films. i love the simpsons episode hes in, but yeah, i am hanging out for finally getting a tv and vcr :-(

di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

while I enjoy his earlier stuff, I must confess "Hairspray" remains my favorite film of his.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

best delivery of any line in any movie i ever seen : edith massey going "oh no,a TURD, who would've sent us a TURD??!" or whatever, man that's funny

duane, Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I like how all of the scenes he had to cut in Pink Flamingos are really short, but he left in heaps of shots of the trailor burning! I mean really I'm sure there was room for that pig latin bit.
Pink Flamingos is my favourite and I could read Shock Value over and over again, well I have.

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I must agree that Divine's performance in "Polyester" is terrific.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Shock Value is the best book ever.

rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 10 March 2003 00:19 (twenty-three years ago)

while I enjoy his earlier stuff, I must confess "Hairspray" remains my favorite film of his.

Same here. You can't top the unspeakably bizarre sensibility of the early films, but Hairspray, the greatest film of 1988, manages to keep the weirdness but add in his essentially, uh..., em,...er...sweet-- personality too. Ricki Lake was brilliant, Divine of course.

No, Homer. Ultrasuede is a miracle. This was just good timing. Or something like that.

Skottie, Monday, 10 March 2003 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to admit that I like his later films more... Hairspray is ultra-classic, but I have to confess my love for Serial Mom even more. My fave scene in any Waters movie is at the end of Pecker when all the art trash snobs shout "Death To Irony!"

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Monday, 10 March 2003 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

the scene where they sit around singing "Demented Forever" as they get branded made me cringe, it was so corny

Yeah, well agreed. And yes the movie overall is quite great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 March 2003 04:42 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
What was John Waters' upbringing like?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Saw 'pecker' a few weeks ago. excellent.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:14 (twenty-two years ago)

N; nice, normal, from his books. His dad looked to have aged spectacularly well, though.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Catholic.

Tag (Tag), Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

didnt he also move out & snort glue and hang out with his punk rock/art skool (girl)friends
i love the "freezeframe assh*ole" section in one of his coffee table books. he goes on to explain that actually seeing an assh*ole in a prono movie is a rare thing.

i like how all his movies take place in baltimore.

kephm, Sunday, 27 July 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Got around to seeing Polyester a few weeks back and the snooty drive-in alone slew me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 July 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

My mum used to work with his cousin. He told her that JW was from a very posh Catholic family in Baltimore and that although they thought he was a total nutter, his whole family absolutely loves him.

suzy (suzy), Sunday, 27 July 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

He seems perfectly polite and very well spoken, what family wouldn't love him?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 July 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

:) I think it's great that Baltimore loves him too, the Sun declared him Marylander of the Year last year, I believe.

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 27 July 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't figure who beset represents America-John Waters or David Lynch...

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

If only all Americans were one or the other....

Tag (Tag), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

dontcha think? ;-)

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 27 July 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely your economy would collapse with only two people?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

kephm is that asterisk supposed to be a picture of a asshole like in that vonnegut book or are you worried about attracting creeps who do goog searches for the word "asshole"?

duane, Monday, 28 July 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Nick, lots of people, but all David Lynch or John Waters. And let's say...oh, Kirsten Dunst.

Tag (Tag), Monday, 28 July 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

whoa, this thread is quite timely - i'm actually seeing a showing of Polyester at the local arthouse on Wednesday - complete with Scratch n' Sniff card handouts or whatever, I guess a number pops on the screen and you are supposed to scratch off the card and smell it at that point.

jason m. (jason m), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Exactly. Be prepared for a bit of vileness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

breathe deeply!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 28 July 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked the way they tricked you into the vileness, too => This is how it works, smell this good smell...now smell this one.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 July 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

audience by Pavlov

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 28 July 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I am timely.

What is the trick of being an adorable asshole?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't try it--it doesn't work in the long run

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

watched this at bma, didn't disappoint
http://www.nytimes.com/video/t-magazine/100000003435098/teaser-john-waters-kiddie-flamingos.html

am0n, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:56 (nine years ago)

eight months pass...

Found a complete version of Desperate Living on YouTube last night and it fucking killed me again. So many totally insane characters and scenes. I never really noticed it b4 but its definitely his lesbian/dyke film. Of course, there are other um "avenues" explored but that one is most prominent. The low budget sets are fantastic! The buildings in Mortville are near psychedelic in their coloring. Just beautiful. And also of note, was the absence of Divine, fortunately the other Dreamlanders rise to the occasion. Definitely his darkest film by a considerable margin. I fucking love it!

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 29 July 2017 05:14 (eight years ago)

"SEIZE her and FUCK her!"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 July 2017 06:40 (eight years ago)

LOL! Yeah, there are so many great lines in DL."look at that pelt", "every word I utter is to be taken as a direct, royal proclamation", the aforementioned white man/tampax line. It just goes on and on. The scene wherein Mo emasculates herself, tosses it and some random dog grabs it up. It's truly remarkable how successful it is even without The Divine Miss Divine. And its definitely a film whose appeal to me would never be explainable to my parents ala Warhols Trash and many other favorites.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

For some reason, I can't get my library to stock the Criterion of Multiple Maniacs.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:35 (eight years ago)

TELL HER this isn't some communist daycare center!!!

can't tell you how many times i've thought about the title of this thread re: current administration and basically every single news day about it

comey did deflategate (daria-g), Sunday, 30 July 2017 02:14 (eight years ago)

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9P_sxaaMJE

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:50 (eight years ago)

this is pretty priceless btw; the two tone collar is dope and waters is sharp as a tack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEzk1DqTaaQ

amazed no one goes to waters these days with an open checkbook, seems like it would be printing money... has he said he's just not making anything anymore?

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 27 November 2017 06:05 (eight years ago)

I remembered a funny John Waters anecdote yesterday that I told to friends

I saw him speak on my college campus, probably fifteen years ago, and he was joking about how after he'd mentioned poppers a number of times, one of the manufacturers had gifted him a "lifetime supply"

I saw him again a couple years ago, and the topic came up. He said he'd nearly run out! Either they underestimated him or he's lived longer than expected

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:25 (eight years ago)

It’s a good thing I’m not relying on making movies. That’s the only one of the careers I have today that isn’t going so great. In the independent film world now, they want you to make it for $2 million and I don’t want to go backwards. I don’t want to be a faux anarchist underground filmmaker at 71 years old. People say, ‘Well, why don’t you raise money on Kickstarter?’ I own three homes. I’m not panhandling. So that’s fine because I have different ways to tell stories.

Do you miss filmmaking?

No. I mean, I do. I miss it, but not completely. I would make another movie in a minute, but I don’t know when I would make it. I am scheduled for the next year already! I made a lot of movies. It’s not like they’re hard to see. I know I would miss it if I didn’t write. I would miss it if I didn’t do spoken word. I would miss it if I didn’t have a photography career. I’d be happy to make one, but if I don’t make another one, I’m fine with that too.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40480667/john-waters-is-done-being-a-faux-anarchist-underground-filmmaker

curmudgeon, Monday, 27 November 2017 19:12 (eight years ago)

I own three homes. I’m not panhandling.

God bless him.

piscesx, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:48 (eight years ago)

two years pass...

Odorama cards this Fri night in NYC

https://www.moma.org/calendar/events/6341

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:47 (six years ago)

I still have my card from when I saw it in the 80s. Haven't sniffed it recently, wonder if it's still got the aromas.

nickn, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:44 (six years ago)

four months pass...

A hero has passed.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/obituaries/bs-md-ob-david-gluck-20200619-tgunh2dcazbl5pvymnvho2ecvy-story.html

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 June 2020 02:09 (five years ago)

Also rewatched Female Trouble the other day having finally gotten the Criterion Blu-ray and man, that thing's more crazily prescient than ever.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 June 2020 02:16 (five years ago)

four months pass...

But of course

John Waters bequeaths his art collection to Baltimore Museum of Art, whose bathrooms will be named in his honor https://t.co/BqVZPKx74z

— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) November 12, 2020

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:06 (five years ago)

perfect

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:07 (five years ago)

my house appeared in pecker for two seconds and i am trying to remember if the house at the end of my street was pecker's house or if i made that up, either way i feel part of this

superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:50 (five years ago)

ten months pass...

Lovely new feature

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a37460247/john-waters-cover-story-interview-2021/

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 September 2021 15:09 (four years ago)

two months pass...

Just saw the first date of this year’s Christmas tour here in SF, great as ever. Some news:

*4K of Cry-baby on Kino Lorber next year

* Possible Criterion of Pink Flamingos in the works.

* First novel next year! Liarmouth — about a woman who steals luggage from airports.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 05:51 (four years ago)

Seeing the Xmas show tonight

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 18:25 (four years ago)

three months pass...

And it's happening

https://www.criterion.com/films/31320-pink-flamingos

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 March 2022 16:49 (four years ago)

Pink Flamingos is one of the films, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, that I saw numerous times when I was younger, and agree is culturally or historically significant (!) yet have no desire to watch again.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 March 2022 18:31 (four years ago)

I have Pink Flamingos on a VHS videotape somewhere and honestly watching it on a 4K Blu-Ray seems like an example of comically missing the point.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:45 (four years ago)

Luckily it's just a normal BR.

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:47 (four years ago)

two months pass...

New book, new interview etc.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/john-waters-book-liarmouth

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 22:41 (four years ago)

Great read! Thanks Ned!

BrianB, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 11:05 (four years ago)

one year passes...

omg omg omg

John Waters to make first film in 20 years with Aubrey Plaza set to star

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 18:34 (two years ago)

Here's hoping!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 18:57 (two years ago)

Wow, can't believe it's been that long. By a weird coincidence I am currently reading Liarmouth and it very much feels like one of his films.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 19:12 (two years ago)

two years pass...

JW does an Amoeba "what's in my bag?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AOk8cSrZAY

donna rouge, Monday, 16 March 2026 23:46 (two months ago)

man with a midas touch

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Tuesday, 17 March 2026 01:43 (two months ago)

HAIRSPRAY

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Tuesday, 17 March 2026 01:59 (two months ago)

(coming on Criterion along with Female Trouble, why has nobody bumped that thread)

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Tuesday, 17 March 2026 02:00 (two months ago)

Desperate Living, not FT, but also exciting news!

donna rouge, Tuesday, 17 March 2026 02:12 (two months ago)

FT was already released by Criterion so yay that too.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 March 2026 02:14 (two months ago)

oh right sorry, mixed 'em up in my breathless excitement

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Tuesday, 17 March 2026 14:58 (two months ago)

one month passes...

Turning EIGHTY tomorrow??

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 21 April 2026 22:58 (one month ago)

Happy 80th, John! See you at Mosswood Meltdown

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 17:41 (one month ago)

This came out late last year, so maybe not the freshest news, but I was excited to see his cameo in the intro to Sarah Squirm's HBO special.

peace, man, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 18:56 (one month ago)

Mosswood Meltdown

this sounds so fun

Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:19 (one month ago)

It's a treat of a festival, attended the past few years now. (Had to miss last year but definitely in for it again this time out.) He introduces literally each act and does so with poetic glee. That and our own Chaki regularly handles the backstage streaming stuff.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:34 (one month ago)

yeah I was out of town last year but should be around this summer

For a few years, we just set up blankets right outside the paid area, bottles of wine and picnic stuff... you can people-watch the folks going in, more or less hear the bands, and sit in the shade with cheap beer. (I'm also usually pretty good at just walking right in like I own the place lol)

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:40 (one month ago)

“Some call it “The Warped Woodstock’ or ‘An Asshole-free Altamont’ while others holler ‘Coachella, Go-To Hella’. We’re Mosswood Meltdown and we’re going to lose our musical marbles again this year with a line up of lunatic acts that will make even the angriest punk- rocker pogo their way to paradise with a twisted smile on their dirty little faces.”

— John Waters

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:44 (one month ago)

Pavement?!?!

https://mosswoodmeltdown.com/

Serfin' USA (sleeve), Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:45 (one month ago)

Yeah, slightly separate show this time as normally it's just Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure people will have a good time, but as I've already seen Wednesday I'm skipping that part.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:47 (one month ago)

the festival was actually started by the defunct and disgraced Burger Records but has been it's own thing for the last few

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 20:51 (one month ago)

And it streams on twitch and youtube (most acts).

nickn, Wednesday, 22 April 2026 21:12 (one month ago)

This came out late last year, so maybe not the freshest news, but I was excited to see his cameo in the intro to Sarah Squirm's HBO special.

― peace, man, Wednesday, April 22, 2026 2:56 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

And of course she had shared the clip on her instagram yesterday.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DXcLp_jA8lG/

peace, man, Thursday, 23 April 2026 12:00 (one month ago)

Heard from a friend who experienced it that his Camp John Waters in Connecticut is a total blast and will leave you loving the guy even more. This is apparently the last year they're doing it, in September.

Josefa, Thursday, 23 April 2026 12:48 (one month ago)


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