TS: Flat Earthers vs Creation "Scientists"

Flat Earthers are much more admirable in their sisyphean labors than the preachy moral-agenda creationists with their terrible terrible hair and stupid car decorations that make me want to launch the apocalypse rocket

Don't forget the Hollow Earth people.

Christian Fundamentalists (a word in use since Shakesperean times, when 'fundament' was a common euphemism for the nether orifice, through which CFs mostly talk, hence the modern usage) don't believe in dancing, so they don't dance.

They don't believe in alcohol, so they don't drink.

They don't believe in evolution, so since about 1650 they haven't been observed to evolve.

The Creationists do tend to be extremist Christians, an unattractive bunch in about a thousand other ways, and do have a substantial anti-scientific voice and influence, whereas the flat earthers are kind of endearing whackos who no one takes seriously at all, and don't really bother anyone much. No contest.

What I can't get any kind of handle on is why the issue's so goddam important anyway? Why does it matter? Creationists rattle on about how demeaning to the human race evolution is. How???

The same sorry tribe also tend to have fairly strident views about sex roles... and invoke examples from THE ANIMAL KINGDOM to illustrate their point. As McEnroe might say, these people cannot be serious!!!

Flat earthers are at least equally mad but also non-self-righteous enough to know it, and really do seem to enjoy the debate. We get one now and again on ABC talkback in Melbourne, and his reasoning can challenge and does have to be matched. Unlike a lot of CF's whose essential overweening 'rightness' removes the need for logical argument.

Evolution was one of the three ideas crucial to the decline of civilisation as it implied that humans were no better than any other species. The other two were the 'unconscious' (ie, ppl don't even know WHY they do what they do, so that's responsibility for one's actions gone) and that thing of Copernicus' where he said the earth wasn't at the centre of the universe, encouraging a kind of resigned complacency in the face of possible attack by space aliens as well as that insular small-town mindset resulting from knowledge of Sol III's backwater status. If all these ideas could be abolished and the damage they caused undone then maybe there would be hope for society and I could find a decent cup of coffee before noon, I know it's Sunday but not all of us are lazy alcoholic sacks of shit y'know!

And I thought this thread was going to be about World of Twist vs. the Hercules : The Legendary Journey's special effects team.

flat earthers (i) aren't trying to mau-mau schools into teaching their anti-scientific bullshit; (ii) don't try to cram their beliefs -- about evolution and other religious beliefs -- down other peoples' throats; (iii) aren't actively subverting the Constitution with specious, inaccurate and/or fallacious "Constitutional" arguments; and (iv) don't claim John Ashcroft as a member.

ergo, flat earthers win!

I like an Alaister cooke anecdote about being sent to interview the head of the flat earth society once at his home in Kansas. He took Cooke out on the porch and pointed out across the prairie and said, 'You try and tell me the world isn't flat'.

"the United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine" -- George Washington

"it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no gods. it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" and "i do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature" -- Thomas Jefferson

"i do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that i know of. my own mind is my own church" -- Thomas Paine

"the Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. i could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma" -- Abraham Lincoln

Tad those are great great great great GREAT. Thanks.

Of course you can find pro-xtian quotes from other founding fathers, as the creationists have and quote them profusely.

I've always had a soft spot for Von Daniken's ancient astronauts stuff. If you read his books as fiction, they are kinda fun.