"My boyfriend is the most fascinating man on the planet. Ever. Really..."

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What do you do when your friends, who used to be fairly normal people, able to hold conversations about diverse subjects ranging from politics to the effect of wax lips on the global economy, now are suddenly struck dumb and seem completely unable to talk about anything other than the people they're dating? No matter what topic you broach, the reply is always something like "that reminds me of ______" or "__________ said the same thing."

I could fucking scream.

(and please forgive me for starting yet another self-indulgent thread, but I'm just stumped)

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

When were you talking to my girlfriend?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't worry, they'll come to their senses. See my Van Halen thread for details of what happens to Mr. Fascinating

dave q, Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, that's weird, last night, Horton was just telling me that...

::ducks::

It is hormonal obsession. It will pass. Nod and smile politely, and reassure yourself that they will hate this same man and find him infinitely annoying in a few months when it all comes crashing apart.

kate (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 07:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, it's come crashing apart twice already (Christmas and Valentine's Day, natch) and it just gets WORSE. Everytime he's allowed back, he's more fabulous than the time before.

I hope it is just hormonal. That means it really might pass...

luna (luna.c), Friday, 14 March 2003 07:50 (twenty-three years ago)

In cases where it doesn't pass, and they actually, like, move in together and get married and stuff ... just give up. You have lost your friend forever, they have passed over into the territory of the Smug Marrieds and they will never be able to carry a conversation again.

You know, if I *EVER* get a Serious Boyfriend, (and I tell ya, the chances are slim to none) I give all of ILE permission to chase me and beat me with BIG STICKS if I become one of those smug, condescending cunts who says things like "Oh, you'll find someone, too" when you complain about how boring people who get married become!

kate (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 07:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I HATE those people...

luna (luna.c), Friday, 14 March 2003 07:59 (twenty-three years ago)

and funnily enough, all my friends who HATED those people too slowly became them...

kate (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)

let it pass. they will get over it. none of these people are worth it. HELL, i'm not worth so I know no one else is; . . ..

That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 14 March 2003 08:04 (twenty-three years ago)

well, when i get me FEZ i know that i'll be some girl's most fascinating man on the planet

and i'm glad it was a woman who started this thread. 'cause some time ago i made a comment along the same lines as this thread's subject and i got chewed out by a number of ILXor chix (NOT the ones who've posted here, though!)

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 14 March 2003 08:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh God I hate this. I LOATHE the smug marrieds/breeder ethic (and Kate if you think I'm in that category I'ma put pins and needles in the cloth nuts of my HJ voodoo dolly) so now I'm in a couple, I do try to do half of social events w/out boyfriend and encourage him to do the same (there is no faster way to kill a relationship than insisting your jazz-hating girlfriend go anywhere near nOoDleY jazzbois). And it is really bloody hard to manage sometimes, particularly over the summer when we were doing up our new flat and every outing was to Homebase and fucking Ikea and Habitat - venues for what I call the Heterosexual Field Trip (Sunday outing spots like Hampstead Heath and Tate Modern are also HFTs yuck yuck yuck).

Now we've gotten the bulk of the DiY and nesting crap out of the way, things are going back to normal. I'm making a real effort to go to clubs with my friends again (the Dance Diet is also a good way to lose the stone most girls get when they partner up with one of the world's best cooks) and I'm hitting my stride at work, which is probably more important.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

hampstead heath not entirely heterosexual outings-wise, if u pick yr moments

(haha last time i wz on HH i saw tom hanks and frank dobson fezzing up in entirely difft parts of the heath)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)

yes not the best example of hetrosexual field trip really.

Ed (dali), Friday, 14 March 2003 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

it's funny, Vicky was saying exactly the same thing the other day, oh, wait...

chris (chris), Friday, 14 March 2003 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes Mark, but I'm not talking about after dark, am I?

Have you heard about the bit by Golders Hill Park which, because it's full of teen gay guys, is known as the Early Learning Centre?

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 12:50 (twenty-three years ago)

SUZY YOU ARE A SMUG MARRIED, JUST FACE IT!!!

How many times have you said the fateful words "Don't worry, you'll find someone" over the past few months during the HJ thing?

YOU ARE A SMUG MARRIED. STOP TRYING TO PRETEND THAT YOU ARE NOT.

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Nooo! Think of Horton's nuts! Won't someone think of Horton's nuts?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 14 March 2003 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

The moment that you start saying things like "dear god, let me not become one of THOSE PEOPLE...!" means that you have already become One. Of. Those. People.

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

If I was a real smug married I would neither want nor have a flatmate.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

You couldn't afford to not have a flatmate. :-P

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 13:15 (twenty-three years ago)

http://mogenic.com/images/news/bert_ernie.jpg

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Dammit, pictures will no longer download on this machine today but...

Honestly. Lately Suzy and I have been acting more married than Suzy and Ed! Eeewwww!!!

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

If I say I'm not One Of Them you're just going to have to accept it; I'm a better judge of me than anyone else is.

(BTW I think the whole smug marrieds thing is a media-generated meme to make people not in couples feel shit about themselves for not being part of a couple and consume self-help crap to compensate)

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

(ps i found the bert and ernie pic on a gay website!! who knew?!?)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:24 (twenty-three years ago)

(everyone knew)

Surely the whole "smug marrieds" meme is a way for non-married people to feel GOOD about themselves for not being part of a couple?

Isabel and I do loads of stuff separately and we like it. Some couples we know do all their stuff together and that's fine too cos we like both of them. The thing to do is prevent your friends pairing off with cockfarmers.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)

If the smug married is a meme, it is for non-coupled people to NOT FEEL LIKE SUCH UTTER AND TOTAL AND COMPLETE UNWORTHY SHIT for not being part of a couple.

The only thing worse than a smug married is a smug married who pretends that they are NOT a smug married, i.e. pretend that they understand or remember or can relate to the problems/joys/dilemmas of being Alone. Saying reassuring and helpful things doesn't help or reassure. It just drives home yer status.

It gets really difficult when it gets to the point where almost all of your friends are part of a couple. You can say that whole "Oh, I'm happy being alone" thing as much as you want, but the truth is, you start to feel like a fucking FREAK after a while. And people saying platitudes like "No, you're not a freak" just reaffirm your basic freakhood.

I'm not happy being alone, no. I'm not one of those people who goes "Whooo! Not being in a relationship is SO GREAT!!! I LOVE MY FREEDOM!!!" (even though I probably should be because I'm miserable whenever I'm in a relationship.) But sometimes I really feel like being around a couple all the time just RUBS IT IN. Especially when it's an overly couply couple who act like if they go without bodily contact or saliva swapping every thirty seconds (even in public) that they will DIE or something.

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

This is not specifically directed just at Suzy, BTW (sorry if you think I'm picking on you, I'm not.) I've just been getting it from a LOT of my friends lately and it's really starting to grate.

I am sorry if it is irritating that I talk about my lovelife (or lack thereof) woes all the time. That's probably just as irritating as people that talk about how happy and in love they are all the time, too.

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Nothing wrong with being a freak.

I suspect "Sharing a flat with a couple: classic or dud?" would be the most unanimous thread in ILX history. Even in the best of situations, there's always a bloc vote. And if you split the bloc vote, there's Trouble.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, I do sympathise: I've got tons of friends that have coupled/babied up and I never see them that much any more because they get roped into breeder/family activities and no longer have time for me or other friends. Surely if a person has been alive for 30+ years and has spent less than two of those years with a cohabiting boyfriend, one can therefore reasonably assume some experience of relationship disappointment, dicking-around and the like? I have lots of experience of all of those things and just made a deal with myself that I wasn't going to allow that bullshit to happen to me again. People don't get EMPATHY AMNESIA the second they hook up successfully, you know.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

NO, no, don't get me wrong. In many, many ways, sharing a flat with a couple, especially the specific couple that I share with, is WONDERFUL. It's good having a man about the house to do things like fix the wiring and reach the top shelf and cook - without actually having to be in a relationship! That is wonderful! Most things about living with them are great! (except for when they don't wipe down the chopping block or leave pineapple slices as experiments in the fridge.)

It's just really difficult when you are the Last Of Your Friends To Get Hooked Up. That's nothing to do with the couples in specific, but more about insecurity and loneliness.

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i love the word 'breeder' in this context. it's so drenched in hate and spite and pity.

Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)

If someone I know is upset at being single, I will attempt to reassure and help. If they're happy, I won't. I don't think my own status of being In A Couple And Happy disqualifies me from understanding my friends and I'm sure it never will.

It is a sad fact that (especially) when you live with someone, you do drop their name a lot because you do a lot of stuff with them (I used to do this with housemates and family as well as bfs, for what it's worth). But it's also NICE if you find your other half fascinating; it would be worrying if you never mentioned them. Not that this makes it less annoying :)

Archel (Archel), Friday, 14 March 2003 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Ditto on what Archel said. I often say, "THe other day, my bf and I... blah-ti-blah-ti-blah..." Because we do spend a lot of time together. At first, some of my friends teased me about it, but now one of those friends is married and another is in the process of moving in with his gf.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:02 (twenty-three years ago)

leave pineapple slices as experiments in the fridge

Please, this has really caught my attention. What were they supposed to do?

Anna (Anna), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

They're trying to build a new flatmate, obv.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to be replaced by the bastard DNA offspring of DANIEL ASH and HER OUT OF M-PEOPLE?!?!? Oh no!

Man, I never would have flushed my embryonic Hortons down the toilet if I'd known I was under such threat...

KATE, Friday, 14 March 2003 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

MWAHAHA it's a cunning plan; the HJ embryos would eventually have been removed by the pineapple growths as example of natural selection. And let's be honest: Kate would perform own experiments on Daniel Ash if found in the fridge or anywhere else in flat (field).

Anna, they went to the big Garbage Pail In The Sky a few days ago (but were there because pineapple juice/pulp basically great exfoliant and I'm too skint to go to Kiehl's).

We are fairly lucky in choice of housemate because she is very tidy among other nice qualities. We are, thankfully, tidier than Dirt Queen, Kate's old landlady who should be reported to Health Department (by a mile). Although when I got back from clubbing last night I did wonder if abandoned Chelsea boot = land mine.

BTW I think men really hate being Mr. Fixit.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

You are correct on that last point, Suzy. Or at least I do. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, sayeth the woman who hath NEVER in her life left her trainers, her boots, her jacket - sorry, her boyfriend's jacket - strewn all over the landscape so that there is NOWHERE TO SIT DOWN, oh no. Humph!

And, erm, Daniel Ash? No. No no no no no, Pineapple goth, no no no. Twas David J I fancied, and you know it!

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

"Daniel Ash: Pineapple Goth" should be a Vertigo comic.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

It was a comic. I drew it. That and "The House Of Psychedelic Bassists" featuring Steve Kilbey and David J drinking mushroom tea and making up words for Scrabble.

None of them were as good as Roky and Syd. Which was the best comic ever. Alas, they all languish in storage somewhere at my mum's house.

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, if I recall correctly, Roky and Syd was a spin-off from the House of Psychedelic Bassists. Cause Roky Ericson was their mailman, and Syd Barrett was their taxi driver. So we decided that those two should live together as well. Talk about housemate hell...

My housemate is the most fascinating person on the house of the planet. Ever! Really...

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

We must see these comix.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, I think you and Martin should get together and start and underground comix inmprint RIGHT NOW.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

First editorial can be called "Perving the Darkseid."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I fully acknowledge my reliance on floorganising and piling systems.

I feel like I have been sitting in this chair forever in a week: couriers keep delivering work, phones keep ringing, all that. This may change very soon (mm, work plan forming).

Kate, the Daniel Ash obsession was Ashley's, oddly enough. She thought David J was a twunt of the highest order. And I'm gonna go and cry now because exactly one year ago...

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus! A year! Wow. I'm really sorry. Virtual hugs and things until I get home. :-(

KATE, Friday, 14 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, it's actually a Beware the Ides job, but WAAAAAAH!

suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

It's not even smug marrieds I have a problem with so much - I've certainly been guilty of new relationship-itis - it's just that the friend I'm talking about speaks of NOTHING else. Not one thing. If I say "I want a cheeseburger," she says "_____ loves cheeseburgers."

"I'd like to go to the beach/bleach my hair/cook Hungarian food/put my finger in a light socket," then I get "______ loves the beach/bleached his hair once in high school and it was the funniest thing ever and here's why/promised to cook me Hungarian food/put his finger in the light socket only yesterday and it was the best thing that ever happened in the history of the world, ever"

I'm happy she has someone. He makes her miserable and she cries on my shoulder when she's not extolling his virtues, but it's what she wants to do, so great. I just wish that once in awhile she'd snap the fuck out of it and remember that she's a brilliant person in her own right and that she doesn't need a relationship with a fucked-up-pseudo-intellectual-twisted-black-death-ouchie-artist-type-who-still-lives-with-his-wife-but-oh-we're-getting-a-divorce-sometime-in-the-next-century-I-promise to validate her existence.

luna (luna.c), Friday, 14 March 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Eep. I don't blame you.

I initial read one of the above phrases as "I'd like to bleach my Hungarian cook's finger." But would Zaltos approve?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I still talk about my ex-wife quite a lot. We split up over 18 months ago, but we were together for 23 years, my whole adult life until recently, so she comes up pretty often. I try to restrain myself when on dates...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 14 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Like I said on the weekend thread, I'm spending the weekend celebrating my mom's birthday with her and my sisters (even the bulimic one!). Sadly, my bf is in a really grumpy mood right now and I think it's really just b/c we haven't slept in separate beds for a few months straight. He says he's ok and wants me to enjoy myself but I can tell he's upset about it.

Sarah mcLUsky (coco), Friday, 14 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

(I think I finally figured out Hilton's real name. I am either unclever or uncool to have taken this long. No pix on the web, though, that I could find.)

Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I already posted Hilton's real name over a week ago, while drunk and angry at him. It's Horton Jupiter. And no, there are no photos of him on the web. Even with his cute new haircut. Sigh.

kate (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Do people put him down by telling him to go "hear a who"? I wonder this.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

You shouldn't really be encouraging me to talk about him. Sigh. I've decided after last night that he is horribly bad for me. At a gig, should be having the time of my life, just had the best news ever about my "career" standing being chatted up by 3 or 4 very attractive and highly intelligent Goldsmiths boys, and all I can do is stare longingly across the room obsessing about how he doesn't love me and why is he talking to that unattractive annoying groupiechick when he could be talking to meeeee but of course he won't cause he is scared of me and here I am I should be happy and proud and feel accomplished and great and soon to be a proper pop star, and instead I am humming "what do I get?" to myself and wishing I could trade it all just to have him love me, which he will never do. Sigh. And knowing that even if he did, it would be disasterous, I am not self confident enough to date someone like him and it would eat me up. :-(

kate (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh god shoot me.

kate (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

that's his REAL NAME? or his stage name? i thought mine was bad....

Maria (Maria), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

John Smith *meep*

Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 14 March 2003 23:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha, the name on his birth certificate is even funnier, actually, but I've been sworn to secrecy on that.

kate (suzy), Friday, 14 March 2003 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)

It's Rocket-Up Uranus, isn't it?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 March 2003 23:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I think that's the only thing it could be

luna (luna.c), Friday, 14 March 2003 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

it doesn't get much worse than that

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 15 March 2003 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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