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just finished "rule of the bone" and I liked it but I kept thinking if this was a movie it'd be really bad (which is totally unfair since it's a book and not a movie).

but I really loved Sweet Hereafter and that was made into a movie that I didn't like as much as the book so maybe that's what got me all uptight about movies when I was reading Rule of The Bone.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

too lowbrow for ya?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 13 March 2003 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never read a Banks novel, although I've always meant to. Film-adaptation wise, I really love Affliction and A Simple Plan. I own the Sweet Hereafter on DVD but haven't watched it yet. What Banks novel should I start with, Fritz?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 13 March 2003 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

oh i couldn't say where you should start. I've only read the 2 mentioned above. of those 2 sweet hereafter is more obviously heavy and kinda depressing, rule of the bone is maybe a bit lighter on the surface but I think I might like it more.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 13 March 2003 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

eight years pass...

Banks was there for a screening of Affliction at the Lightbox tonight. I've seen it five or six times now, and more and more I think it's one of the great American films of the past 20 years (and I'm otherwise not a fan of Schrader's own films). There was another thread last year where a couple of people posted about how bad--or at least hammy--they thought James Coburn is, something I strongly disagree with. I find him every bit as terrifying as he needs to be. (Banks said the role was offered to Paul Newman first, then James Garner.) Nolte and Spacek are perfect.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 04:54 (fourteen years ago)

i've always been a schrader partisan, but i admire Affliction quite a bit. it's hard to separate it from the moment when i saw it, when it was an incredibly meaningful and impactful movie for me - i was 13 when it came out on video, right at the moment when adolescence induces a kind of self-awareness that you hadn't known before, and it was huge to me. but i've appreciated it more, and in different ways, as i get older. it takes on new shadings every time i watch it. and Nolte is so goddamn good in it. the burning barn scene...

There was another thread last year where a couple of people posted about how bad--or at least hammy--they thought James Coburn is, something I strongly disagree with.

i bristled at that as well. i think he's really good. he veers a bit into comedy at times - i laugh thinking of his delivery of "don't sass me" - but i dont think that's harmful to the picture. i don't laugh at him for being bad, it's just a reaction to the sudden jolt of malicious energy he gives off when he appears. seeing nolte at the oscars last night, the first thing i thought was that he'd become coburn in affliction.

pretty interesting that it came out the same year as sweet hereafter. thats one i need to revisit. that movie had a similar impact on me, actually.

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 05:42 (fourteen years ago)

seeing nolte at the oscars last night, the first thing i thought was that he'd become coburn in affliction.

ha, i was going to post something like this a few minutes ago.

yeah,i saw coburn & schrader introduce the film here in la at a special screening. i thought coburn was a bit hammy but he was probably so happy at that stage of his career to have a decent part that he decided to go all in. and it is scary despite the camp. thought it was a solid adaptation of the novel (banks got a bunch of jeers a few weeks back as well in some other thread, it's been 20 years at least since i read affliction and continental drift so have no idea how i would rate them now but they seemed good at the time)

buzza, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 05:57 (fourteen years ago)

Banks began the Q&A by saying that people mistakenly take Affliction to be autobiographical...and then proceeded to talk about his violent, alcoholic father (and, the implication was, grandfather), and how he and his younger brother had completely opposite reactions to the situation: Banks was violent and drinking heavily by his early 20s, while his brother stayed clear of all alcohol. He must have meant that James Coburn and his own father drove differently coloured cars.

The Sweet Hereafter was shot simultaneously with Affliction, one in B.C./Toronto and the other in Montreal, and Banks talked about how different the atmosphere was as he went back and forth between sets: American vs. Canadian, Hollywood vs. a bunch of grad students, etc. Being Toronto, Egoyan was in the audience last night, which led to a bit of (I thought) obsequiousness: Banks said that The Sweet Hereafter was the more musical and elegiac film, and that it had something that Affliction missed. I haven't seen The Sweet Hereafter since it came out, but I much preferred Affliction at the time.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 12:41 (fourteen years ago)

Change "obsequiousness" to "flattery"--all I mean is that I don't think Banks would have said that had Schrader been in the audience instead.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 12:50 (fourteen years ago)

He must have meant that James Coburn and his own father drove differently coloured cars.

heh

maybe he means that he didnt murder his dad and burn down his barn.

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:02 (fourteen years ago)

ten years pass...

So where to start? I know the film adaptations, like them both a lot. The Sweet Hereafter's at the library.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 January 2023 16:26 (three years ago)

Read Sweet Hereafter a million years ago, but I remember liking it. Structurally, it is different enough from the adaptation that it is worthwhile even if you know the film.

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Monday, 9 January 2023 16:47 (three years ago)

I saw him speak before a screening of Affliction at the Lightbox once and got a DVD signed.

clemenza, Monday, 9 January 2023 19:45 (three years ago)

Just put Cloudsplitter on hold at my local library.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 9 January 2023 19:48 (three years ago)

Read _Sweet Hereafter_ a million years ago, but I remember liking it. Structurally, it is different enough from the adaptation that it is worthwhile even if you know the film.


Yeah it is different enough from the film. Very worthwhile though. It’s weird that a couple days before he died I put Cloudsplitter on hold at the library.. I’d been wanting to read that for a long time.

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 9 January 2023 19:50 (three years ago)

Thanks, all. I read The Sweet Hereafter. You're right: a different experience from the film. It ended rather patly but I admired how well he situated the citizens of that NY town: their resentments, abuses, sources of pride.

I guess Cloudsplitter's the place to go, eh?

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 23:30 (three years ago)

Picked it up from the library yesterday; will try to dive in this weekend.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 January 2023 16:58 (three years ago)

continental drift any good?

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Thursday, 12 January 2023 17:31 (three years ago)


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