Question about friendship

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Now I am on the other side of the door, so to speak. For months, certainly for the best part of a year, I internalised my pain and despair so thoroughly that I made sure no one could ever reach me. Now there are friends of mine who are feeling low and gloomy, and who seem to want to wave me away when all I want to do is...you know, be a friend. It makes me feel as if I'm failing to reconnect with the world again, even though I know exactly what they're feeling, how they're feeling and why they're feeling it (NB: this isn't just happening with one friend, but with several at the moment).

I want to tell them that there is someone to turn to, but I have to be careful not to come across as too overbearing and/or demanding. That's not what I want at all. Just to say: well, there is someone here who'll listen to you for as long as you want, who has a shoulder against which you can scream, howl and cry for as long as you want - just someone who wants to be a friend to you, if you'd only let me.

How do I do it? What's the best way?

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 14 March 2003 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's great you want to help you friends, Marcello, but also you should be careful not to talk to much to them about having been there before... If you tell someone you really know how they feel, it might invalidate their own feelings... Or so I've been told.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Just tell them you are there for when they want to talk. Or you can rant at them. Or feel low and gloomy with them. If they are your friends everything is validated. More than likely just be patience and let them know that you are there for them.

Richie, Friday, 14 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

(marcello if one of them is me — "low and gloomy" my exact phrase on wed — i am fine again, but we shd def still meet up soon!!)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

At least you have friends to worry about! : - (

Billy No Mates, Friday, 14 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

yes mark, one of them was you :-) but i worry about other people as well. i'll email you abt meeting up.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 14 March 2003 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always found the best way is a single simple question allowing them an opening to talk but not being pushy about it. So - "you seem a bit down, is anything up?" if they haven't broached the subject; or "Do you want to talk about it?" if they have. And then they either will or won't - oh, and the other really important thing is not to take them not wanting to talk as some kind of rejection of you as a friend.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

And people deal with feelings lowness and gloominess in different ways, too. I usually just want to be left alone completely, and friends trying to talk me out of it seems to just make more upset and/or angry. So I would offer to listen if they need a friend to talk to, but not try to force the issue if they don't feel like talking.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

By "invadiate" I just meant to say that you should make sure you put the focus on whomever you are trying to help. But I just read that somewhere. So you can ignore that advice.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Tell them you're there if they need you.
2. Wait a week.
3. Repeat.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:31 (twenty-three years ago)

The repeating bit is to show that you're not reciting cliches, but if you repeat more than, say, five times, repeat no more.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

that's 4. colin

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

No it isn't -- it's a footnote. :P

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe you can think of something nice to do for them.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

i get into big trubble esp. w. my maingirl bevy of phonebuffies for being v.one way w.all this: there for them when sad but mute when it's me

(but actually the wed feeling was quite odd, and most unlike me, and i now wonder if it wasn't a mild one-day bug or something: it reminded me a bit of when i had hepatitis (c.1991) and sat watching TV thinking "stop all that moving and talking you TV people, it is without purpose or content and can be amusing no one, yrselves included")


mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

mark- what caused it?

I feel low but i never burden friends or family with it (maybe bcz I don't how to articulate my feelings v well). i tell myself it will pass away and it usually does.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

julio i've no idea

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

z3mko said "shelves comedown", and to be honest this wz as good a specific reason as any

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 March 2003 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Sometimes people just have ups and downs that really don't have anything to do with the people around them, and there's really very little to nothing that other people can do about it. See the "taking care of your introvert" thread that Chris started a while back. (but unfortunately didn't really go anywhere cause introverts don't like to talk about their introversion.)

I don't want to cause pain to anyone else. But when I feel like I am having non-specific lowness, the best thing that I can do is withdraw, because *I* become hard work to be around at that point, and it is difficult for me to be around other people.

It's nice to know that there are people who are there for you. But sometimes, you just genuinely do need to withdraw and recharge. Please don't take this as a rejection of you or of your friendship!

Or think that you are somehow to blame for other people's moods. There are five very specific people causing me to feel low right now - one of them is named Horton and the other five are named Michael, Susanna, Vicki and, erm... oh christ, I've forgotten the name of the fourth Bangle, no WONDER they don't want us supporting them...

kate, Friday, 14 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-three years ago)

oucha! bad luck Kate. has-been band reject support from up-and-coming band shock!

for everyone else - I agree with the proposition that people who are down might not want to talk about it, but it's nice to let them know they can if they want to.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

''z3mko said "shelves comedown", and to be honest this wz as good a specific reason as any''

maybe you got the feeling that this was the time to finish yr book and that feeling overwhelmed you.

yeah, I'll be feeling low soon...next friday's presentation is just going to fucking drain me. I'm just so scared to fuck up.

last time it happened was when there was one week to go for me to finish off my first yr report. I responded by being an idiot on a couple of threads on ILM.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 14 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course the obvious thing to do, like other people have said, is to let them know you are there for them. If they wish to be left alone, let them have time alone, to think things through. People do need space sometimes. Maybe you should send them a little card just to let them know that you are thinking of them. Tell them in the card how great they are and how much you care for them. At least this way they know you are there for them without bothering them and it might make them smile. I've done this before and the next thing I knew they were on the telephone, thanking me for the card and at least then I knew they were ok.

ali (ali), Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish I could help here, Marcello but I find myself in exactly the same position with all the attached feelings you described. I've recently struck up a friendship with someone who has constructed a series of defences against the world so elaborate I don't know if I can even make a dent in them.

Trouble is, prior to properly talking to this person, I had (and still have) certain romantic feelings towards them which has complicated things no end. But when she revealed the true extent of her unhappiness, I just felt I wanted to help her feel a bit less disconnected from the world. I know she knows that I have feelings for her and now I worry that she thinks I might expect some sort of 'reward' for being there and I worry that I might not be being entirely honest with either myself ot her about the whole process. But whatever the outcome, I know I care about this person and don't want to see them miserable.

Nathan Webb (Nathan Webb), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

nine years pass...

I've got a tricky situation I wanted advice on.

I only have one good friend in the city I currently fidn myself in, and her and I have a bit of a history. Years ago, in another city, I fell in love with her (as many have before me and surely many will in the years to come). I confessed it drunkenly, we got past it, and became much better friends, one of the best and truest I've ever had. My feelings (surely the worst word in the English language) never truly went away, and one night, several months ago (after I moved to her hometown, where we now both reside) she woke me up at 2am and kissed me, wanting to counteract my own self-loathing with a (misguided, I'll allow) act of physical affection. Then she didn't talk to me for a while, out of guilt, after which I confronted her and ultimately forgave her, even though I believe we both knew the gulf of attraction between us without speaking of it. A little later, I admitted that during the time she wasn't speaking to me, I told other, less-close friends about the situation and they basically universally regarded her as a bitch, against my (I think, correct) insistence otherwise. Her takeaway from that admission was not the one I wanted it to be, but if I had been thinking straight, I'd have refrained from saying a damn thing. After I said this, she became uncomfortable at having been cast as a "villain" in my life, and has since declared that she needs a "break."

Unfortunately, I just ended my current lease, and the apartment I'm now moving into is half a blcok from her current residence. It was not intentional - in fact, if I had any other option, I'd have taken it. But now I live in fear of the moment I run into her. Is there a good way to announce this development, or am I irretrievably fucked?

Simon H., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)

*find

Simon H., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 04:11 (thirteen years ago)

This sort of thing is hopelessly beyond my experience level, but the only way I can imagine breaking this news would be to ask her to think about it for a few days and then tell you exactly what she would prefer, in terms of how you act toward her. Then do whatever she says.

Aimless, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 04:28 (thirteen years ago)

Thanks Aimless, I would not have thought of that approach. I feel like there's no way to "win" here but that's almost certainly the most sensitive option.

Simon H., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 04:43 (thirteen years ago)

Of course, there's still the matter of whether I break this news ASAP or wait until I inevitably, awkwardly run into her on a night bus.

Simon H., Tuesday, 25 December 2012 04:55 (thirteen years ago)

Hey Simon, tricky situation, one I'm sure many men have found themselves in ... and by many, I mean myself, but nothing as prickly and long lasting as yours. Maybe she interpreted your revealing your friends calling her a "bitch" as what you really think about her, considering your long-time attraction to her and her one-moment come on to you. Sometimes people select the things to say, especially when it's said by others, to say what they really want to say ... and people can think what you choose to tell as what's being on your mind. We don't do it consciously, but it happens.

My own ill-formed, beer-fueled opinion is ... figure out what you really feel about her, what you truly want, like deeply, honestly. It sounds like you still have feelings for, maybe that you resent the moment she kissed you because it could have been something ... maybe you felt it was misleading. I have no idea, I'm not you, just throwing some shit out there. No sense in suffering over this, and if you want to maintain a real friendship with her maybe it's worth it to say: this is how I feel, this is what I want, and this is how I'm going to move forward with it. If you can't get what you want, though, then ... well ... that's another choice to make.

So ends dear drunk Spectrum.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:26 (thirteen years ago)


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