Teaching English as a foreign language - classic or dud?

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I'm thinking very seriously about applying for this/investigating what qualifications I'd need to do it. I'm particularly interested in possibly going abroad. Does anyone have any experience of this that they'd be willing to share? Would anyone recommend it? Thanks.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 14 March 2003 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Total Dud! If we teach foreigners to speak English, we won't be able to make fun of them in their face without them knowing about it.
Keep English under wraps!

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

My friend went to Japan to teach 6 and 7 year olds. On his first day, another teacher gave him a tape to play to the class, telling him that it would be a good icebreaker, and that all the kids know the words and do little movements and actions in time to the song. So he goes in, introduces himself, and with a flourish, puts on the tape. Nothing. Dumb silence. He lost their respect from day one, and it was all downhill from there. He cut his losses halfway through the term.


Hope that helps.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 14 March 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks - that's very encouraging!

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Friday, 14 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I did some of this and had great fun. I taught basic English to both kids and adults. For me, it helped to speak the native language(Spanish). I think you're not generally supposed to do that with ESL though. My qualifications: I speak English fluently (in theory).

A friend of mine is doing volunteer ESL with immigrants. She loves it. It's a fairly advanced level English, however, so she gets really frustrated with figuring out how to teach strange tenses and such. English is a really difficult language.

Where are you thinking of going? What sort of groups are you looking into?

JuliaA (j_bdules), Friday, 14 March 2003 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Depends where and how well you can adjust to other cultures. I had one friend who hated every day of her year in a small Japanese fishing village and another who has spent 3 years in Hiroshima ken loving it. Korea is a bit hit or miss, some very underhanded schools so don't go there unless you can find a recomendation from a friend. China can be odd, Most of the people I know who went lose a shitload of wieght as well.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

My step-brother has been teaching English in Korea for like 8 years! He originally just went as a kind of post-college / go abroad / waste a little time endeavor, but he totally fell in love with the country and the culture. And he really really enjoys the teaching.

So there's an example of someone who obviously thought it was classic.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

My Latin teacher did this for a summer in Poland and when she couldn't remember the Polish word she'd speak Latin. Apparently the kids were mostly good Latin students so it worked. It sounds really interesting, I'd go for it.

Maria (Maria), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

well it depends where you go - the two usual places (at least for an nzer and some others): south korea and japan, now have major drawbacks:

south korea=north korea's burgeoning nuclear arsenal
japan= north korea's burgeoning nuclear arsenal and the guts is falling out of the yen.

eastern (which they now like to call central) europe is probably the most fun.

Marika (marika), Friday, 14 March 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Could the people who've done this/known others who've done this maybe talk a little about logistics, requirements, etc.? I'm specifically interested in finding out if there is any way to do this in Eastern (Central) Europe w/o a TEFL/TESOL certificate that isn't totally under the table.

My female friend who did JET w/ high schoolers in Japan said that one of the more popular classroom activities, for both students and teachers, was speculating about the color/shape/size of caucasian (or in her case, semitic) genitalia.

chester (synkro), Friday, 14 March 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

A friend of mine from college did this in Japan. It was actually really cool; we were singing there over the summer and at the end of the tour instead of going home, he stayed. He has since become an actor/model in Japan and married someone and pretty much is never coming back.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 March 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

my brother in law teaches English in the Basque Country, and seems happy enough with it.

I know people in College who went to Spain after graduation to teach English. They felt in the end that while it pays reasonably well and fills in that awkward Just-left-college-without-a-clue-what-you-want-to-do-with-your-life phase, it doesn't ultimately lead anywhere. which could be good, or bad.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:09 (twenty-three years ago)

My female friend who did JET w/ high schoolers in Japan said that one of the more popular classroom activities, for both students and teachers, was speculating about the color/shape/size of caucasian (or in her case, semitic) genitalia.

surely they are usually bigger than japanese genitals.

Clare (not entirely unhappy), Sunday, 16 March 2003 06:33 (twenty-three years ago)

classic
my brother has done this in japan, teaching ESL, to the affluent older biz men and the young eggshells. these eggheads are nutz. school all day and into the night.
my sister has taught poor kids in chile and belize.

kephm, Sunday, 16 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
revive.

etc, Monday, 11 August 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I hated it. I taught boring businessmen and their frustrated secretaries in Paris. The money was bad, the work was mind-numbingly repetitive and suprisingly stressful. I soon discovered there were better ways to make money in Paris, if I wanted to stay. I suggest it may be a good way to get started in a city in which you know few people or speak the language poorly, but don't do it for more than six months. It's a trap, it leads to nowhere.

Susan (Susan), Monday, 11 August 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

ten months pass...
a good stop-over?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?#4014

Everything you need to know about it is there. I got offered a lecturing job in media in Thailand not so long ago but didn't take it. Not enough cash at the time to support myself out there should it have gone tits up. In general I'd say tread carefully, but this site should give you some good info.

C-Man (C-Man), Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
REVIVE

will anywhere that takes ppl w/o completed bachelors degrees be super duper shady? also whatever happened to calum?

A B C (sparklecock), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

despite what u might think looking at that last message and perhaps this one i am a native english speaker so i got that at least

A B C (sparklecock), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

this sounds like either an ultra scam or a great opportunity.

Franny, but not Zooey (Franny, but not Zooey), Sunday, 14 January 2007 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

Anyone fancy teaching in Russia for a while or know someone who might? One of my clients has a vacancy for a native English speaker with a CELTA. Would be based in St Petersburg but involve lots of travel to cool places like Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Kazan, the Urals, Siberia, Sakhalinsk, etc.

Probably wouldn't pay much but would be fun.

хуто-хуторянка (ShariVari), Monday, 10 June 2013 18:26 (thirteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

Any thoughts on this?

https://nativecamp.net

I've run into some unexpected career difficulties, and starting to think about a plan B, possibly part time for the moment while I continue looking for work. Never thought about anything like and assume its a scam but it did come through a legit jobs site

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Friday, 28 June 2024 07:35 (one year ago)

It looks pretty standard for a Japanese website. There are a load of online TEFL sites & apps now, generally they seem to accept almost any native speaker with or without qualifications/experience, but the downside is odd & unreliable working hours and low pay. I tried a Chinese one for a few months when I returned to the UK in 2016 and it never really paid well (transferring wages from China to the UK is also a nightmare) OTOH there is very well-paid online pre-sessional work out there if you are experienced and qualified.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 28 June 2024 11:28 (one year ago)

Unless I'm able to get another dev job I suspect my options are going to be fairly limited! So "from home" and "not zero" is better than nothing. Still a ways from that point at the moment but no harm in thinking about alternatives

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Friday, 28 June 2024 12:11 (one year ago)

I also thought about doing part-time teaching through an app while I was looking for a dev job, but I have a TEFL certification and the app I was looking at required that. I know some of the online TEFL courses are pretty cheap, but I'd be worried that the market is too crowded, possibly slow getting started

Vinnie, Friday, 28 June 2024 14:01 (one year ago)

four months pass...

I have just started doing a little bit of this on a voluntary basis in my town. I am partnered with an Arabic-speaking teacher, and we teach a small class of (at the moment) Syrian adults. I've only done two classes, but I have been having an absolute ball. The other teacher did say that this is a particularly good group. They really want to learn, and they are happy to speak up and make mistakes so you can help them improve -- a dream for any teacher. So we'll see what happens after Christmas when a new group comes in. I've promised the organization that I will do it for six months, even if I decide I hate it.

I don't have any TEFL qualifications, but many years ago I did get adult literacy tutor training, which has a lot of similarities. If I decide after six months that I'm going to keep doing this, I will probably get a qualification, just so I can feel a bit more legit.

trishyb, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 13:16 (one year ago)

I did the CELTA TEFL course a few years ago and it was great - really intensive training with a lot of practice and feedback, and all the instruction was genuinely useful and focused on teaching techniques, which has not been the case with any other teacher training I've experienced.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 14:28 (one year ago)


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