This is the thread where I keep on slagging off on fecking STANFURD

if you go to an ivy league school and have a good GPA, it's not that hard to get a job like this. problem is that they work you like a dog and you don't have time to enjoy the money.

In other news I was just accepted to Mt. Holyoke. I LAUGH AT THEM.

I don't think the existence of social class is the same thing as a "class system" as I read it in RickyT's post.

exactly

Revisit: Jess' young go-getters thread.

Though I did get into NYU, American, and Iowa State.... Though I had to lie/cheat my way into NYU. Wasn't worth the effort since I don't have a $120k/yr job yet.

Chelsea Clinton isn't a young go-getter. Chelsea Clinton is a young advantage-taker.

Anyways, Stanford can go suck a dick. Their basketball team just lost today to U-Conn - so go rejoice.

damn you people are bitter.

Well don't begrudge her. I'm sure she works hard and etc. Anyhow, it sure beats those Bush hos who make bushels of money modelling.

Can someone then please explain to me what the fuck a "consultant" is?

Anyhow, it sure beats those Bush hos who make bushels of money modelling.

Or the one who somehow became president because of his connections. I mean, good lord say what you want about Chelsea Clinton's salary...

A consultant is someone who comes in, borrows your watch, tells you what time it is, keeps the watch, and charges you an exorbitant fee.

(NYU Law rejected my ass, FWIW)

don't feel bad about NYU Law. There's always Columbia.

speaking as a general matter, there may have been a time when that was true. but it has become a much better school in the last several years.

and any school is worth the money if you put in the effort (though i suppose you could put in the effort at a cheaper school, ok).

don't feel bad about NYU Law. There's always Columbia.

what are you, John Sexton or something?

re NYU Law -- i wouldn't have gotten into Columbia Law, either (i had a decent GPA and a high LSAT, but both places want stellar GPA and LSAT). i did get into Fordham Law (which is where all those who didn't get into NYU or Columbia go), but i turned them down.

(besides, 3.01 isn't that bad -- you'll get into somewhere good as long as yer LSAT is respectable)

I view nearly all higher education that isn't professional or science/technology related to be a giant scam perpetrated on young people and their parents. The price of textbooks alone for prerequisite courses and the like should straightaway indicate to any observer that something is clearly fucked up. The College Board is also a big pile of steaming rat turds., but let's not get started.

Millar as Good Will Hunting shocka! (and everything you said about undergrad can be said about law school, in spades

I do not agree with this at all.

And I'm as good as in, sez the UCI letter (which came in the small envelope, which gave me a heartattack when I saw it).

And I'm way behind on my Stanfurd hate. "Cardinals"? What kind of nickname is that? Even Irvine has... errrr...

OK, the thing is, it depends entirely on what you are going to school for. It's not that NYU isn't an impressive school or that you aren't going to learn there if you put the effort into it; however they are charging you the same as an Ivy League and the post-graduation perception is NOT the same as other schools that charge that amount. ERgo, overpriced for undergrad program.

No one has really told me what a consultant is goddamnit.

Anyway, Chelsea's salary isn't ridiculous because of her connections, she'll probably do jack shit etc etc but like Nabisco said with her previous education she'd have ended up in a high paying job anyway. I don't make that much less than her and I don't have her presidential connections and I'm slightly younger, so I laugh at her still for being a fool and not using her connections enough.

Consultants consult :) They advise and provide presumably expert opinions. I've had two experiences with consultants, indirectly:

1) When I used to work as a writing tutor for the university, the administration hired a consultant to address the problem of rapidly increasing freshman attrition without changing their open admissions policy. The consultant determined that the most glaring problem was the English composition proficiency exam: it was taken at the end of the second of two composition courses (the first could be tested out of; the second could, too, in theory, but only a handful of students managed to do so). Students who didn't qualify for the first composition course, based on the ACT score or poor performance on a screening test, had to pass developmental English courses first, which did not count towards graduation credit. As a result of this and the open admissions, many freshmen were enrolling, staying a year, and realizing they still had not taken "freshman English," and so left school either because of their own disappointment or parents who said "you should just get a job and help out at home."

The consultant looked at what was then called the "Learning Resouce Center," my place of employment, a department which provided vaguely-defined "assistance" to students in need of academic help. He made a number of recommendations: that the university adopt a writing-intensive curriculum across the board; that the LRC be redefined as a Writing Center, divorcing us from the math tutors and replacing my boss with someone hired from outside, someone qualified to oversee the writing-intensive curriculum and the training of writing tutors according to guidelines the consultant laid out; that the new WC focus more of its efforts on assisting freshmen and sophomores, instead of beta-reading theses and other tasks which wouldn't impact the attrition rate.

On the basis of those recommendations, lip-service was paid to the writing-intensive curriculum (it was voluntary, and pretty much everyone opted out), the LRC was renovated and became the WC, and so on. (And then as soon as the attrition rate started to decline, the budget was slashed, and not only was my raise denied but my pay was cut concurrent with my work being doubled as the new supervisor maximized his budget by assigning work to the tutors to be done off-hours, on our own time -- the consultant has nothing to do with this, I'm just still bitter :))

2) My father works as a freelance computer consultant. I'm never entirely clear what he does, but much of it involves being hired on a short-term basis by small companies or mid-sized ones with minimal computer/networking needs; he advises them as to what sort of computer equipment and computer professionals they need based on what they do. Most of this seems to involve training people in Windows XP and popping by a few times a year to fix any problems, so that the company can eliminate their computer staff.

I'm just guessing, though -- my father works for himself, not a firm, and I didn't hire the guy at the university.

The Anteaters, my friend!

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I don't doubt that they will work her hard, and its unlikely to be as a publicity tool.

I'm ordering a preemptive Nedstrike. No sense in getting all the information before doing soemthing rash.

Another way of thinking about it is that whenever a business has gotten out of its depth and needs to solve a problem or deal with some side-issue that they have no expertise in, they can call in consultants to figure it out. Like if I ran a factory, and the EPA just passed new pollution regulations that we had to comply with, I could bring in environmental consultants who would go over the situation and make recommendations on how I could get the factory up to code.

Actually, from what I've understood, we're mainly drawing Ned.

WTF. Dated after the first letter? Jeez Louise. Ask for clarification from them -- I don't really have any regular contacts at the department per se these days, but I might be able to random call up somebody...

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Descriptions above are correct. For the states the best example is PWC who are the largest I though, I should dig out our competitors but I forget their names. Technically my company calls themselves IT consultants (though I work in the tiny IP department in banking). We basically provide outsourcing agreements, fix your working processes, do you payroll and whatever you dont want to bill to your own sheet.

WHY would they receive just a regular salary then? Don't consultants get paid for, um, consulting? Like when they get a consulting job, then they'd get paid.
There is always work to be done, we have several projects already on hold, something to the tune of 28 million I think. they like to call it "the funnel". I hate lingo. Some of the consulting work is on going/long term; payroll services I think qualify under this.

Glerk. Contact me so we can get the ball rolling on getting you living somewhere in the area, at least.