What other movies have you seen which end up being a let-down in the final scenes?
― C J (C J), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)
CJ - what about the "restored" ending of Blade Runner from the director's cut?
― hstencil, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)
Er, both non-Unbreakable M. Night Shyamalan films to thread!
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)
I thought I had something relevant to say, but it disappeared.
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)
But come on, The Wizard of Oz owns this thread. "Gosh, I wish I wasn't in Kansas ... *many things happen with her not in Kansas* ... oh, thank God it was only a dream, it's so much better living in a black and white dust bowl! I know now that if I leave home, I will face the wrath of flying monkeys. I was such a silly girl to want to leave!"
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)
oh wait i guess it wasnt cool to begin with...well i thought it was alright apart from the stupid stupid parents.
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)
Which was bascially forced on Ridley Scott (and later removed in the Director's Cut version).
The Abyss (any version) to thread!
― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Wintermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)
The thing is, the ending of the book is the same but completely different. I could see two possible interpretations: one is that the narrator dies. The other is that he imagined the shooting bit and is completely bonkers. There is no "He shot himself and killed Brad Pitt" fuxoring about and that's what pisses me off. The whole end of the movie is a cop out, "Ed Norton is really still a good guy, honest, it's evil Brad Pitt taking over his BRANE". No. Ed Norton is a nutcase who is not the good guy, and treating him as such is a HOLLYWOOD COP OUT.
I still like Fight Club and that movie and Seven have made me late to two FAPs.
The alternate ending of Seven is better because it is harsher.
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)
Basically the ending of the book was kind of "I don't know how to end this" and the movie made it about 10,000 times worse.
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)
Come to think of it, most French films...
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)
Text at the end of a film: bad all over. Especially in fiction since nothing happened to the characters! They aren't real! For instance, the French Connection reveals the villains got out of jail. Oooh, the court system doesn't work, right? No! It's a fictional story! Or how about John Singleton's gift to naive liberals Higher Learning that ends with the word LEARN at the end. Or 187 announcing that "A teacher wrote this film" which evidently means that it can't be bullshit (yeah, like all my teachers at school are fuckin' literary geniuses).
So yeah, I'm disappointed by any fictional movie that ends with text. And MOST nonfiction ones that do too.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)
The point of Fight Club was "Fascism isn't good" only in the sense that the point of Star Wars was "Evil empires aren't good." Fascism was involved only as a context in which the story took place, but the story itself really isn't about the movement, it's about one guy -- which is the most successful bit of translation between the book and the movie, other than the dialogue.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)
Plus everybody in the film is either an asshole or weak baby. There's a reason Fred Durst has seen this film 28 times (according to his excellent track "Livin' It Up").
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)
Same thing in Fight Club. It's not that fascism isn't there, it's that the story isn't about fascism. And yeah, that's a criticism often leveled against it -- fascism in modern America is a tricky thing to bring up and never fully address.
I don't think the consequences of the Space Monkeys' actions are even meant to point out "fascism=bad," particularly, so much as they're just showing the narrator's complete inability to find a solution, and even to think in terms of reasonable solutions, to his Yuppie angst.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)
I saw it in a movie theatre, thought it was fucking genius (save the ending). then more and more problems with it came up and by the time I saw it for an idiotic Philosophy Of Film class I realized it's MAD flawed. It's all shiny, irreverent and full of shirtless Norton/Pitt (plus when I first saw it I was eternally dateless and looking for ANSWERS), so I get why people dig it. But anybody calling it a classic needs to watch the ENTIRE movie, not just their favorite shiny scenes.
The only line that still works for me: "How's that working out for you? Being clever."
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)
I quote that constantly :)
I don't know, I don't see the advertisement angle -- I see the effects you're talking about, though, of course. I'm glad I didn't see it as a young teenager, because I think I would've liked it for the wrong reasons.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:28 (twenty-three years ago)
(I could just start the thread myself. But I'm shy.)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)
Oh, and Pesci's wig defies belief...
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:41 (twenty-three years ago)
STOP TALKING ABOUT JOE PESCI!!!!!
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:45 (twenty-three years ago)
Pesci with his shaved koala:http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/0261-joh/rooneym3.cke
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/0254-eig/pesci_jo.e%234
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)
Worst ending? Even though it was supposed to be daft, I was still dissapointed at the Holy Grail ending.
― Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)
Yeah, that guy looked really ugly. Seeing the real man after watching Johnny Depp play him for two hours, it actually told quite a lot about the contrast between reality and Hollywood. I doubt this was intentional, however.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:09 (twenty-three years ago)
that is an outrageous slander.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― Wintermute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)
Yes, Red Dragon is more true to the novel but since Brett Ratner is a sycophantic hack with a room temperature IQ you just know he was going to screw it up. Manhunter is so much better that it isn't even funny.
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)
http://www.actuacine.net/Photos/ed-norton.jpg
"I bang Salma Hayek!"
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)
*lame* ?
― piscesboy, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)
Okay, George Bush did it. But everyone knew that already.
― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― jeanne picot (jeanne picot), Thursday, 27 March 2003 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't think The Abyss has the Worst Ending Ever - it just doesn't have much of any kind of ending. I actually preferred the abruptness of the original ending (aliens just show up topside/movie ends) to the director's cut with the tidal wave threats, etc.
In short, what am I missing?
― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Thursday, 27 March 2003 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)
http://www.light-mission.org/goodfellas.jpg
So can I point out that the ending would be THAT MUCH BETTER if this was true?
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 02:21 (twenty-three years ago)