FINALLY! A good news source on the war itself.

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As in what the fuck is actually going on the battlefield, and not some vague crap about "fierce resistance" or "good progress"

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news077.htm

"The IRAQWAR.RU analytical center was created recently by a group of journalists and military experts from Russia to provide accurate and up-to-date news and analysis of the war against Iraq. The following is the English translation of the IRAQWAR.RU report based on the Russian military intelligence reports."

If its even halfway-not-bullshit, its the most informative site I've seen yet. It paints a very different picture than western sources, especially on the number of coalition casualties (~100).

fletrejet, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

A local Iraqi resident (left)  who shot down the Apache Longbow attack helicopter with his rifle. Seems like an impossible treat, but not as unlikely as one may think due to the Longbow's patchy composite armor in some areas of the fuselage.

Spot the mistake, or perhaps it's not so unbiased..

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard that report several times, not that it should serve to verify. The aeronautics site should be taken w/a grain of salt I think..

Have you tried the Agonist? It's top..
Here's a mirror site (I use this just to cut the bandwidth troubles)
agonist.got.net

And the original:
www.agonist.org

daria g, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 23:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes I most certainly do take that site w/ a grain of salt, but to be fair, they are not saying they believe Iraq's story that a farmer shot the Apapche down, but are just saying its not an impossibility. Speaking of which:

"According to satellite reconnaissance it seems likely that the Iraqis had time to remove the captured Apache Longbow attack helicopter of the 11th Aviation Regiment. The pieces remaining at the landing site following a US bombing strike indicate that the bombs hit a crudely constructed mockup."

I love this site!

fletrejet, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:02 (twenty-three years ago)

and why exactly would you believe this site? it seems pretty biased.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you kidding? The Russians never lie.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Have you heard about their Firefox aircraft?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:25 (twenty-three years ago)

>Have you heard about their Firefox aircraft?

Did you hear about how the Iraqis were going to welcome us with open arms and surrender in mass?

fletrejet, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

"DEBKAfile reports military sources' surprise that US destroyed downed Apache only Tuesday - 24 hours after it landed almost whole behind Iraqi lines - time enough for Iraqis to dismantle and analyze secret US electronic and missile guidance systems and apply knowledge to US weapons and bombing techniques"

...or to move the damn thing and set up a mock up.

From:

http://www.debka.com/

Who are Israelie. And no, America never lies either.

fletrejet, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Basically here's what I know about Russians - most of them are incompetent Maoists played by Aryan-looking actors, and the rest are hot women. When the world is about to end, or shortly after you stop it from doing so, you will get to have sex with the hot lady Russians. And as far as the guys go it's really no sweat as long as you keep a Walther PPK or a Thompson SMG on hand (and stay frosty with the knife hand chop).

Sometimes Russians are big and scary and good at boxing. Other times they can be weaselly and conniving and full of dirty tricks. But 99% of the time the above paragraph will assure the best Russian experience possible.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Did you hear about how the Iraqis were going to welcome us with open arms and surrender in mass?

I think the American press were reporting that the US Government was hopeful that certain units would surrender en masse, but I recall plenty of skepticism from most analysts.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I like how the fletrejet puts the 'lie' in 'Israelie'.

Hello, Freud!

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

and the rest are hot women

Hot lesbians. Get it right.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 01:35 (twenty-three years ago)

the iraqis have divisions dressed as coalition troops that are executing regular troops that try to surrender to them. basra uprising has started. staging battles out of a hospital, putting the tv transmitter near a nursery, executing officers. yes, these are the people to put your faith in. no one takes debka seriously.

keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:06 (twenty-three years ago)

the iraqis have divisions dressed as coalition troops that are executing regular troops that try to surrender to them.

Source? First I've heard of anything like that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:11 (twenty-three years ago)

really it's true. The reporter was there, he saw it, that's why he's still alive.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, great, but again, can you give me an exact source? Link, name of reporter, anything?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned- see the www.debka.com link above.

I was being sarcastic.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, noted -- it's just that since Ye Olde Mainstream Sources *are* claiming some sort of Basra uprising has started, I thought another one was claiming something similar re: this execution claim.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I think N. was pointing out the use of the word "treat" in that first post. Am I the only person besides him who noticed that? That's a great typo.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 04:33 (twenty-three years ago)

For a different angle on international news I recommend The Times of India. India, of course, knows all about Islamic terrorism and threats from WMD, yet its leading paper of record has no reservations wholly condemning American 'aggression' as today's editorial makes clear.

What the Iraqis lack in military strength, they seem to have made up aplenty in sheer grit and will power, and as much is suggested by spunky stories of bravery that have been emerging — no, not from the gung-ho American camp, but from a side thought to be entirely demoralised by years of oppression under a tyrannical regime........... If the Iraqis are excited at the prospect of deliverance courtesy the visitors, they aren't exactly showing it. If anything, the Iraqi dislike of Saddam would appear to be only matched by their distrust of the US.

stevo (stevo), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 07:56 (twenty-three years ago)

It's magically delicious!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 08:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like the breathlessness of it—there's enough of that vibe as it is—but Daria G's link is indeed top!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=2238&lang=en

iraqwar.ru has closed.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Were they in the convoy that the americans and iraqis fired on?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

No, but it seems like they relied on the embassy for a lot of things, so its closure/bombing meant theirs as well. They had this to say about the convoy bombing, which ended up being their last report:

The coalition command and the foreign policy departments of Russia and USA are now making every effort to close all the information related to the Russian embassy getting fired near Baghdad.

Sources claim that the embassy ceased its activities in many respects because of the danger of an air strike on the embassy. The American command was utterly irritated by the presence of the Russian embassy in Baghdad and believed that some technical intelligence equipment was deployed there that provided the Iraqis with information. Moreover, some officers in the coalition HQ in Qatar openly claimed that it was on the territory of the Russian embassy that the “jammers� hampering the high-precision weapons around Baghdad were operated.
Yesterday morning the Secretary of State Colin Powell demanded of immediate evacuation of the embassy from the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Igor Ivanov. Yesterday evening the Russian minister informed the Americans that on the 6th of April the embassy column would be leaving Baghdad heading for the Syrian border. This gave rise to dissatisfaction among the State Department officials who suggested that the column should move to Jordan.

The coalition special operations HQ were sure that the embassy column would contain secret devices taken from military equipment captured by Iraqis. In this connection one cannot shut out the possibility of “revenge� from the coalition command.
Moreover, experts claim that the purpose of this armed assault could be to damage a few cars where the Russians would have to leave some of the salvage. This is also indicated by the fact that neither the ambassador himself nor journalists in the column were among the injured. In this case we can expect that this action was committed by coalition special forces and the column was shot using Russian-made weapons to conceal the origin of the attackers to blame the Iraqis afterwards.
According to the most recent data the column got ambushed almost 30 km to the west from the city on the territory occupied by the coalition, but moving fast it escaped from fire and made a few more kilometers where it was blocked by military jeeps. On attempting to establish contact with their crews it received fire again, then the jeeps vanished.

Today at 5pm a phone conversation between president of Russia Vladimir Putin and president of the USA George W. Bush took place. Before this conversation, his assistant for National Security Affairs Condoleezza Rice, who came into Moscow today, had consulted Bush. At this time Rice is meeting Igor Ivanov, the head of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The details of this meeting are unknown so far, but we can suppose that very soon some “unknown squadrons� will be made responsible for the incident and the situation will be dampened to the maximum.


Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)


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