Culturing Newcomers

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Here in the SF bay area we recently observed a mass amount
of newcomers to our underground ("rave") scene. Majority
partakes in the ("candykid") trance movement while the
minority stumbles upon the House music ("culture").
A bunch of my long time friends disrespects them
as often as they appear, while I attempt to bring them
to the dancing aspect of our ("scene"). My question
is simply do I even have the right to attempt to influence
newcomers on what is preserving or decaying our ("scene").

DUO, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The ("hell")?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I ("think") he needs some ("advice"), but I'm not ("sure") what to like, you know, ("suggest").

OK OK I'll shut up now.

And fwiw DUO, friends of mine do this with the oldschool goth scene too, attempting to keep its origins alive, reminding the babygoths it didnt all start with the Cure and Manson, talking up bands etc. I think its noble, as long as it isnt done with a ("sneer").

*ahem* sorry couldnt resist =)

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is what i imagine Ned's headache to be like.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

You might be onto something there (thankfully the headache has subsided some).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

You do ("NAWT") have a headache, Ned, you only ("think") you do.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

That damn ("brain")!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

OK you mugs if we could quit bangin' on the quotes-and-parens this is actually a pretty interesting question to me anyhow

I think as soon as one even thinks about "preserving a scene" or "educating newcomers," the scene is in peril. The most amazing thing about good scenes, when they're happening, is that they seem so unselfconscious: everybody's having too much fun, and behaving too spontaneously, to think about "what do we do to make sure this doesn't stop happening" & so on.

That said I think your impulse to tell the trance kids that there's something really fun & cool in the house scene is great! Point people to where you think the party's at, I say. And those longtimers who complain that all the new people have diluted the scene? Those kinds of people are in every scene. From minute one, they stand around waiting for their golden opportunity to say "this scene was so much better back before all these new people showed up," or "these parties stopped being fun sometime around last November," or "you'll never know just how special this whole scene was when it first started, I've never seen anything like it - this is just a shadow of the huge potential" etc etc etc. There's a word for these kinds of people: "Rockists."

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, you could just say they suck.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree J0hn, despite my arsing about *grin*. There is a difference totally between "this scene sucks now it used to be about the X" and "hey, you may think this genre is all about Y band, but did you know about all these older ones? They rock!"

The latter is classic, and like the cool older sibling I always wish I'd had, you can introduce people to things they'd never find otherwise. I love being able to do this - after all, its how I learned all about new wave/post punk/indie.

I also hate it when people show other people some scene theyre into and then get the shits because everyone then starts liking it, with that whole "but I was here FIRST you guys suck you're just copying me". Had an ex who did this ALL THE TIME grr chiz.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Chill out, get more hard acid techno, quit worrying about who comes to the party, unless its the cops. Share a spliff and a beer with the new kids make them welcome. Tell your makes to take the rods out of their backsides.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

But where else are we suppose to put these glowsticks

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)


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